According to a source inside EA, even DirectX 12 won't be able to guarantee native 1080P resolution for Xbox One games, as the ESRAM is just too limiting for that.
I think the new Microsoft libraries create improvements and make it easier to bring the games to a higher resolution.
Well, despite what the rumor said, I hope it as well. Better libraries equal better games, although in the end, 900P or 1080P doesn't matter that much.
"Better libraries equal better games, although in the end, 900P or 1080P doesn't matter that much." I've been saying that for a while. 1080p is just a resolution. What if a game looks like crap 1080p won't magically turn that crappy lookin game into a great lookin game. Take The Amazing Spider Man 2 for instance runs at 1080p on both next gen consoles but the game graphically looks like a PS2 game its terrible. Regular gamers play great games not get all crazy about some pixels.
I have a good friend at Ubisoft Toronto, tells me 1080p is certainly attainable, its just whether or not the developer pursues it..... Or not....
Again an ANONYMOUS SOURCE. Seriously? This is clearly made up flame war. The very title is just wrong already: "DX12 Won't Help Xbox One Get To 1080P," ,sorry to burst your bubble but XO had 1080p games from launch...even one of them looks amazing and runs at 60 fps, the only next-gen game that actually does that without a single frame drop.
"I bet you will see improvement everywhere but that. Just wait for H5" Improved everything else like technical improvements and particles effects etc but not necessarily in reaching 1080 easier. Hey that all sounds great to me seeing how 1080p isn't do or die at least they can focus on the bulk of X1 games and making them better.
Someone tell the author that: Forza Motorsport 5 is the "ONLY" 1080p 60fps next-gen game on the planet, for consoles, period! So, the XBOX ONE already did 1080p 60fps! So, cut the BS.
True but to be fair PS4 could do the same except Sony likes to go overboard with too much bling.
Lol so we are reaching for the friends of "insiders" now. This is pretty funny seeing as how it's usually everyone, but XB1 fans talking about DX12. @Orange Powerz my question to you is why do you feel like you need to explain it, when in actuality you have no idea the possibilities of DX12 for XB1. Unless you are MSFT or a dev they have let use DX12 (which may be noone yet) it's all speculation. I'm going to be playing Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2, and whatever else is announced with or without DX12 and with or without 1080p 60fps. Lastly DX12 can only help the XB1, so I look forward to learning more about how it will improve my gaming experience on XB1.
It's not an insider and how he got his "information" is very questionable, but on the other hand X1 fans like you believe all the nonsense from Mister X and his "insider" so you might as well believe this then because it's just as reliable. The big gains of DX12 will be made on the PC where as example CPU usage of multicore CPUs is bad. Despite the X1 supporting DX11 this isn't the case on the console with devs optimizing their games for the fixed hardware. As for 1080p, software can't magically fix the ESRAM size and with DX12 it will still be harder to get the same resolution in games on the X1 compared to the PS4 counterpart. There is a reason why MS talked about how their upscaller is the best. If you have hardware capable that can do 1080p without issues you don't need to talk about your upscaller.
It's a persons 'friend', who supposedly works in EA. Although I agree people shouldn't expect too much, however DX12 will be a benefit to the X1, heck any major firmware, SDK updates etc will also improve the bone.
Now that sir is funny..friends of insiders LOL
Lol.. First it was ND and now its Friends of insiders?.. Lmao. Why can't people be patient to find out the truth for themselves? Wait for official comments from ms, amd and devs who have spent time with it instead of the so called insiders,their friends or devs who actually have no hands on with the api.
That is an assumption on your side that I wouldn't have any idea.
it won't guarantee it? Well of course not, that's up to how good the developers are and what sort of expectations they have. Just because the PS4 is more powerful doesn't mean that it can do native 1080p with the snap of a finger. Devs still have to optimize. That being said, it will be interesting to see just what exactly DX12 can do for the XB1 in actuality. Not hypothetically.
"DX12 Won't Help Xbox One Get To 1080P, Temper Your Expectations, Says Dev" So... then the first thing he says is "I'm no dev, but I heard"... Did the person that changed the title even read this? Don't get me wrong, but it's good to temper your expectations instead of building them up beyond belief, but just cause his "friend" works at EA...doing who knows what... doesn't mean that this is even what he really meant. Either way, the end result in games hasn't made a huge difference, and as we have seen with games like Ryse, Wolfensteing, Forza Horizon 2, etc X1 can already make some damn great looking games...with or without DX12. DX12 will be great if it helps, but if it doesn't...it's not what the world is centered on. We are getting caught up in too much minor details...bottom line, we gamers keep getting spoiled with great games, and we nitpick about little stuff that doesn't matter. The graphics differences haven't really proven to be much to worry about yet. Just game!!! Enjoy how great we have it right now.
"So I’m no developer but I have a good friend who landed at EA and he basically said the same thing. Some things will be nice and streamlined but people expecting a sudden leap need to temper expectations." My friend at EA says it will make xbone able to do 27632637863x9237247242839 REZ....see how this works
Yes we see, except no one making such ridiculous claims.
Weak GPU and the bottleneck of DDR3 and ESRam won't help Xbone get to 1080P, obviously !
There is so much wrong with this article and that misleading headline.
Of course it won't gauruntee it, just like the ps4s better GPU and unified ddr5 memory doesn't guartuntee 1080p. Developers still have to code well to get ideal performance. Better performing xb1 games will come when developers get better with the hardware, plan their pipeline with the EsRAM in mind, get better dev tools from MS, and when the OS itself has a smaller footprint. Dx12 is just an example of providing better dev tools. It will allow for more efficient ports from PC, which should in turn allow did more xb1 optimization. At the end if day dx12 is just one step of many towards games that perform better.
"I am no developer, but I heard it from a friend of a friend of mine that happens to work at EA". OK, I am officially going to declare wsfatory as the worst gossip site on the internet, even surpassing Dualshockers. This kind of journalism is making Dualshockers' articles looking like Nobel prize worthy. Edit: OK, judging from the disagree, people still believes Dualshockers is a worst site. So, I'll give wsfactory a pass this time as you guys are in second at the moment. LOL
I understand that reading this might make someone who believes in the magic of DX12 a bit uncomfortable, but there's no need to pass that rage onto whoever is relaying information. BruceLeeroy is trusted inside Neogaf, even more than thuway, and thuway's rumors are reported on a daily basis here. So what's the issue here? I'm guessing it's that you're an Xbox One fan disappointed with this. If you actually read the article you would see that there also reports of developers who spoke very positively on DX12. There is no stance at all, so I don't really see how your claims of "bad gossip" have any actualy grounds.
Yeah. Forza 5 1080 60
Ok but enjoy a butchered game to get that, and DX12 can't achieve 1080p we will find out, won't we!?
it uses old tech. the game was meant to be avaiable on the 360 and then it was ported.
So a guy from Neogaf that already has a bumpy track record that admits has no idea what he's talking about as far as technology goes has a recent friend at EA who told him. Looks like another case of He said she said type ordeal on a forum that will be taken as gospel as usual. Horrible journalism that reeks of click-bait, i'll be sure to do my part and vote down this website. EDIT: I suggest to the people who are sick of these bs articles to vote down these websites. All you have to do is click on the blue website link under read story and you can rate it.
Its become the norm for many of the non-mainstream sites. Post up unfounded crap but give it catchy titles or controversial topics to get clicks for ad revenue.
Unfounded? This is as unfounded as every kind of rumor you will be able to find. Every kind of journalism relies on rumors and anonymous sources. Press releases don't happen so often, you know - would you be happy to just read those once in a few months to have completely "founded" information?
@Alexious, there is NO reason why this "source" can't be named. Nothing being stated is under NDA, its speculation on what DX12 will or won't do for the Xbox One. Most credible journalism actually relies on facts and research and cross reference from multiple sources. "I have a friend who says XYZ" is tabloid journalism at its best. And let me be clear, I don't have issues with rumors as in possible upcoming games, tech, etc... but this isn't a "rumor" topic. It straight up dev talk and opinion from developers on what they feel the benefits of DX12 may or may not be. It's not top secret, under NDA or anything of the kind. Edit: just to address your comment below about the article being completely neutral. It very well may be but the title: "DX12 Won't Help Xbox One Get To 1080P, Temper Your Expectations, Says Dev" hardly feels neutral. In fact the title feels oddly inflammatory if in fact the article is as neutral as you say it is.
Look, if a mate who told you something in confidence asked you not to name him, would you name him. Lack of Nda talk shouldn't automatically mean the rumours are false. Ultimately in cases like this, time will tell. I've seen enough leaks over the past year that turned out true to consider them plausible. I also take a pinch of salt with them as many are duds. The biggest rumour/leak that turned out true was the always online/ drm ones and look how fiercely that was debunked and deflected from and when the defenders found they were wrong they switched to the 'them too' approach. Pathetic. Let's just wait and see.
You can do whatever you want. However, BruceLeeroy doesn't have a bumpy track at all; he's well respected on the board. You may not like the news, but this doesn't make the article any worse - in fact, if you bothered to read it, you would find that it is completely neutral and it quotes even very positive opinions on DX12 from other developers. I suggest you do your research before spilling random nonsense.
Wow, this actually got approved? Smh
Its an article that has something negative about xbox one of course it will get approved even though this article is completely retarded.
Only you actually read it, you would see that it is not "negative" - in fact, they mentioned both sides in DX12, including Brad Wardell saying that DX12 will make Xbox One GPU twice as fast. I bet you don't find the article so retarded now, huh?
I'm sorry, would you want a personal veto on those articles that you like less, perhaps because they don't praise your favorite game/platform? I'm afraid that isn't available.
Gotcha. We'll, I'm not a developer either, but my cousin's brother's uncle's friend's nephew said DX12 WILL help Xbox One get to 1080p. So there, article debunked.
1st I own X1 and PS4, I have couple of same games for both Watch dog being one, and you Can Not tell enough between the two to say one better then the other!! 2nd for the game makers that can not Match what they are doing with First Party games then maybe they should not be making games, I for one think they all hold back on consoles so they don't max them out to Fast, look at what they do with PC games!!!! They over do them so you have to upgrade video card or more, so they going to say they just learning the system"?? That's BS.... Do they they gamers are dumb..it's all bout the money
Denial ,Denial everywhere.
don't give up hope ms fanboys a better cpu is only a year away and that titanfall update to 1080p is just around the corner, keep the faith brothers
Lol thats just too bad!
Funny how resolution doesn't. Matter when it's xboxone look
It's been 50/50 I guess you could say if dx12 will really help xb1 we just have to wait and see along with cloud rendering
"Temper" is the new word in the world of gaming.
Totally true... My aunts, cousins, friends sisters, dogs prior owner totally works for EA and he used a burner phone to call a payphone to tell me this
Friend-of-a-friend articles are now gospel truth. Well done, gaming journalism.
What a lie. It doesn't need DX12 to reach 1080P. Just the maturity of the system is all it needs.
A friend of a friend....it must be true without a phucking doubt.
Sometimes sources can come from funny places and you be surprised what you learn. The problem i have with this guy what do they mean by respected forum member Neogaf. Sonyland? Come on he's talking crap because he's a Sony fan simple as that. I don't think anyone outside the people that need to know, have any idea what directx12 is going to do truly for the xb1. We've got some hints from devs what directx12 might do for the xb1 and I'm still excited for it Esram isn't a bottleneck Crytek have already explained what the issues are. Go read what they said. The 32mb of it is enough too.
"He specifically told me it wouldn’t help in that case [reaching 1080P] because the ESRAM is a bottleneck that is really limiting with certain types of games. I bet you will see improvement everywhere but that. Just wait for H5" This same guy implied H5 would have to be 900p to maintain 60fps... *popcorn*
As far as i am concerned the only two insiders worth a damn are Shinobi and Nktml If Shinobi say directx12 will have no benefit. I'll listen.
So why would AMD and MS bother having a joint conference with devs on DirectXDirecDTtX 12 ,
I really don't see the point in all this resolution garage between the PS4 and X1. If the PS4 could do 1080p at 60fps consistently then I could see the argument but it can't. There are a few games already on the PS4 that aren't 1080p that should be. The comparisons that I have seen struggle with frame rates and seem to have smudgy textures or missing detail in some areas clearly indicating that the developers had to make some tradeoffs due to hardware limitations. I've always believed that you really want a pretty game that runs smooth you have to go PC.
Every developer that hasn't made a game with direct x 12 for Xbox one is just as knowledgeable as everyone in the comments section. Not very credible
But...right now all games are running on 1 core of the CPU... when DX12 comes it will use all 8 cores maximizing 4k resolutions and instant load times and real time blow jobs. My ass.
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