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Submitted by ValKilmer 206d ago | opinion piece

The Order 1886: Graphics Over Gameplay?

Hardcore Gamer: If there is one aspect of The Order that is undeniably impressive it is definitely the visuals. Footage of the game in action has been scarce since it was first announced last year, but what we have seen looks incredibly sharp. The environments, animations, and especially the character models look simply amazing, and the game will likely be among the most visually impressive games on any system if this is indeed how the final product looks. However, while the focus of pre-release information has been squarely on the game's impressive visuals, the gameplay hasn't been a major talking point. (PS4, The Order: 1886)

ValKilmer  +   206d ago
I think this will certainly be the case. Ironically this generation Sony seems to be more focused on graphics and Microsoft seems to be more interested on delivering a solid gameplay experience.
Kayant  +   206d ago
Wow such an amazing crystal eye you have /s
NewMonday  +   206d ago
good "gameplay" is supposed to make a player apply skill, something we don't see in most XB1 games yet

games like Ryse, Titanfall, Dead Rising3 and Sunset Overdrive are full of cannon fodder, it makes a poor gamer feel great, maybe that is why some like them.
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user1439414  +   206d ago | Well said
Why can a game not have GOOD graphics AND good GAMEPLAY? I believe this game will be very good.
morganfell  +   206d ago | Well said
Since we have not been entreated to gameplay other than some of the combat mechnaics, this article is an idiot's thesis. We have been told by Ready at Dawn that the game is investigation heavy. Yet some with internet access must do what they can from their parent's basement to propogate absurd suppositions.
alexkoepp  +   206d ago
It's a third person shooter with QTE, its going to play exactly how it sounds. Don't think this game is trying to break down any walls here with gameplay, you can tell how it's going to play by seeing the footage.
AGaryColemanClone  +   206d ago
"Yet some with internet access must do what they can from their parent's basement to propogate absurd suppositions."

The Xbox fans in the media and sitting at home are in an absolute panic in the same way they were when Sony blew everyone away with Killzone 2 on the PS3 being able to render what Xbox fans claimed were 'impossible CGI level graphics' and absolutely nailed the original E3 reveal trailer.

There are going to be an endless stream of garbage thrown at this game until it is released.
georgeenoob  +   206d ago
Unfortunately that's the case with PS4. It already happened with KZ and Infamous, and now the Order. All have phenomenal graphics but very bland gameplay.

X1 on the other hand has both with games like Quantum Break in addition to the amazing gameplay rich exclusives such as Titanfall, DR3, Sunset Overdrive, and Killer Instinct.

Also @Newmonday

"good "gameplay" is supposed to make a player apply skill, something we don't see in most XB1 games yet
games like Ryse, Titanfall, Dead Rising3 and Sunset Overdrive... "

Wow you obviously know nothing about those games. Every one of those games require skill. Ryse has competitive gladiator mode, Titanfall is very competitive matching players with similar skill, and Sunset Overdrive forces you to kill with style. Even DR3 has thousands of zombies on screen and challenges how you approach the zombies.

Fail.
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psyxon  +   206d ago
As an avid PlayStation supporter, I'm happy the Order is getting criticized so harshly and prejudged every which way. Why? Because when it does release, it will be THAT much more impressing. It will blow everyone away and silence all the critics and doubters. I can't wait for it.
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BitbyDeath  +   206d ago
@Alexkoep, guess you won't be buying Quantum Break then eh?
truefan1  +   206d ago
The fact that R@D chose 30fps over 60fps speaks volumes.
SoulSercher620  +   206d ago
@georgeenoob

LOL again you make BS claims.

"Every one of those games require skill. Ryse has competitive gladiator mode, Titanfall is very competitive matching players with similar skill, and Sunset Overdrive forces you to kill with style. Even DR3 has thousands of zombies on screen and challenges how you approach the zombies."

Ryse battle system is like Batman Arkham but WAY worse. The AI in that game is near braindead.

Titanfall's matchmaking system is no different from CoD.

You barely know anything about Sunset Overdrive yet from one video you happen to know EVERYTHING about the game. The same applies to Quantum Break.

In DR3 there are no different ways to challenge a thousand zombies on screen. They give you a route to escape from them. You must be joking if you think you can take on 1000 zombies on the screen.

Fail.
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Bennibop  +   206d ago
Always the same 2 people trolling ps4 articles: truefan1 & georgeenoob are you 1 and the same person because it's hard to believe that two complete idiots can post the exact same drivel. And before you start I own pc, ps4 and x1, the order looks like ps answer to gears of war and that's cool us gamers will enjoy playing it I am sure!
Malphite  +   206d ago
@georgeenoob: "Wow you obviously know nothing about those games. Every one of those games require skill."

Just like you don't know anything about the games you bashed. You're praising the gameplay of Dead Rising, Ryse and even Sunset Overdrive (a game that we haven't seen much gameplay of and you haven't played yet) but bash Infamous (great gameplay) and Killzone (solid gameplay) although you probably never played those games either.

It's very obvious that you praise every single game that isn't on the PS4 and hate on every PS4 exclusive.
Kayant  +   206d ago
@georgeenoob

Aren't you forgetting some amazing gameplay exclusives like Lococycle, Crimson Dragon, Fighter Within, Halo: Spartan Assault, Zoo Tycoon.

"Wow you obviously know nothing about those games. Every one of those games require skill. Ryse has competitive gladiator mode, Titanfall is very competitive matching players with similar skill, and Sunset Overdrive forces you to kill with style. Even DR3 has thousands of zombies on screen and challenges how you approach the zombies" - Same can be said about the PS4 games to some degree with so called bland gameplay.Each console has their share of gameplay heavy games, "bland" gameplay games.
Raven722  +   206d ago
Not surprised at all to see the same two lifeless idiots trolling PS4 articles.
DigitalRaptor  +   206d ago
I know man. It's a shame we have to put up with speculative idiocy until the truth lets out. People look at a third-person shooter with unique weapons, and then you see these weapons used like you'd expect from a third-person shooter. To kill people.

http://a.pomf.se/ojtbvp.web...

Somehow, this gameplay is disappointing. Even though we've seen literally a fraction of what the gameplay of the game will consist of. Things we haven't seen in great detail:

- Slow paced investigation
- hand to hand combat
- branching QTE
- encounters with half-breeds and other enemies
- MOST of the weapons which the gameplay is attributed to.

See this is how it happens. They'll look at ANYTHING to downplay. It was the graphics being "downgraded" last week (an astonishing claim proven to be a load of crap). Now they can't bag on the graphics, they'll look at the gameplay and nitpick it to hell, despite the fact that there's nothing really much to draw from.

They'd be hating on the presence of cutscenes in the game if they weren't so interactive. But they will find something.

E3. Xbox fanboys will continue to be wrong.
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Eonjay  +   206d ago
From what I have seen, this game looks to use the cover system made popular by Gears of War, and I'm okay with that gameplay style. Also, the games weapons look epic. Throw that on top of a first class visual experience and you have a train that can't be stopped.
Mikelarry  +   206d ago
what proof have you got to make that statement, the game is not even out yet or even worse you haven't had any hands on time to come to that judgement. I swear this generation is going to be about gamers complaining about games rather than playing GAMES!!!. my personal favourite "infamous does not have multi-player so i am not getting it" WTF
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LaChance  +   206d ago
The new Ryse.

The only difference is that The Order is from an unproven dev on consoles ... hmmm.
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Mikelarry  +   206d ago
Troll harder, Damn I miss the open zone section
Bathyj  +   206d ago
No the only difference is you were likely right there singing Ryses praises yet suddenly you think a beautiful game automatically means dull gameplay.

That and the fact graphics AND gameplay on The Order both look better than Ryse.
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Why o why  +   206d ago
At least one of the xcamps most senior t generals can admit ryse was a load of style over substance.

Lets wait and see what this game is like when people have actually have it in their mits. Until then....dodge the click bait
king_ps4  +   206d ago
Ryse was a terrible game
maniacmayhem  +   206d ago
We haven't really seen much of gameplay from The Order to even think that graphics will take persistent over the gameplay.

Also, from what little was shown the gameplay looks to be standard over the shoulder, shooter type like RE:6, that's not a bad thing since it's a proven formula and works really well.

Lets just hope The Order excels in story that keeps the shooter experience interesting.

My only small gripe is the no multiplayer. A game like this and in this setting would have been bad a$$.
Why o why  +   206d ago
Yep, yep, yep and I'm kool without the pressures of multiplayer, lol
Mikelarry  +   206d ago
Ill rather they concentrate and deliver a solid single player experience and if after they have the resource's and time then they try and figure out if multiplayer would be feasible, maybe in the next one when the pressure of it not being thier first console debut and they have learnt what works from this
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Flutterby  +   206d ago
No Mp is a good thing in my opinion the story I can bet will be top notch and also we won't need to get stupid online only trophies to get platinum.
Dark11  +   206d ago
Sony love their cinematic/movie games , so that is why it's "graphics over gameplay"
SoulSercher620  +   206d ago
Funny these cinematic/movie games you speak of outclassed ANYTHING on 360 and will do the same on Xbone.
Dark11  +   206d ago
@SoulSercher620

outclassed ANYTHING? not really
i enjoyed Red Dead more than any cinematic/movie game.

people have different opinions , yes it's shocking i know.
Shane Kim  +   206d ago
Opinions yes...but the hundreds of awards from TLOU and Uncharted are facts. Live with it.
cemelc  +   206d ago
@Dark11

And yet the game you just mention is not an xbox exclusive by any means...
Master-H  +   206d ago
" Sony seems to be more focused on graphics and Microsoft seems to be more interested on delivering a solid gameplay experience"...except Ryse is a Microsoft exclusive...
Sharky231  +   206d ago
How can anyone tell how the gameplay is gonna be. We've seen two five minute segments from the game. They haven't showed much of the qte parts. That in itself is a cool aspect that could add a lot to the gameplay. I'm tired of hearing this crap! Let's wait til there's a demo for people to play before we draw a conclusion.
styferion  +   206d ago
what do you say about Ryse then? It's hilarious to see XB fanboy bash The Order for graphics over gameplay when we just only see mere few minutes of gameplay and they quietly ignore Ryse, the most recent proof of graphics over gameplay.

damn, why do all fanboys comments so stupid like this, it's like watching politicians debate.
sovkhan  +   206d ago
Solid gameplay experience???

Haw Haw Haw

Metacritic, hence a bunch of people, doesn't agree with you :)
GribbleGrunger  +   206d ago
No, graphics AND gameplay.
NewMonday  +   206d ago
R@D made better gameplay in the GOW PSP games than the main consoles games so I trust them in that department , and the smart application of the thermite gun assured me.
majiebeast  +   206d ago
I dont agree with that. I think God of War 2 is still the best game and had the best gameplay in the franchise. Ghost of Sparta isn't far behind, and had the best story and gave an insight to Kratos as a person, unlike 2 where he is just a raging beast.

I trust RAD because Ghost of Sparta was an amazing game. The director/writer/lead gameplay designer(Dana Jan) of that game is now the director of Order 1886. The director/writer(Ru weerasuriya) of Chains and creative director/writer of Ghost of Sparta is now the creative director of the Order 1886. Plus he has worked on Warcraft III as artist and script writer.

You should really watch God of War game directors live.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
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NewMonday  +   206d ago
@majiebeast

after 2, since the PSP games started after that, basically better than 3 (minus the crazy set pices) and Ascension.

also was impressed with the narrative they made despite scraping the bottom of the barrel on the PSP games.
fpshooter2  +   206d ago
For me the most interesting part of this game is the storyline. Its what has my attention the most. Not denying the beauty of this game but it has a lot more going for it than just looks.
Shane Kim  +   206d ago
For me, it's always the story that must be prioritized. Without a good story, I'll lose interest even if the gameplay/graphics are top notch. I want to be motivated of why I sohould be continuing the game. Not just mindlessly sloughter everything in my way.

The Order seems to have a very interesting story, with a lot of mood, and mysticism. A bit like some kind of Dracula movie.
Applejack  +   206d ago
I never understood why you have to choose between the two. Why can't a game look AND play good, is that against the rules?
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NYC_Gamer  +   206d ago
The Order 1886 could be a solid cover shooter for PS4 like Gears of Wars was on 360
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ValKilmer  +   206d ago
Let's be honest, if this were on any other console from any other publisher, would anybody even care about it?
Raven722  +   206d ago
Well let's see. I think the game looks beautiful, the setting has me intrigued, and I enjoy Gears of War's general style of gameplay. So, yeah. I care.

Now let me ask you this. If Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Dead Rising 3, and Ryse: Son of Rome were on any other console from any other publisher, would you even care about them?
IHassounah  +   206d ago
Quantum Break , yes .
Sunset Overdrive , yes .
Dead Rising 3 , yes .
Ryse , extremely NO .
Mikelarry  +   206d ago
if this was coming on my xbox one you can bet I will be interested in it. yes the graphics are what impressed me first ( i mean the horror i paid good money for next gen and not be excited when i see next gen graphics that was not possible on previous gen) but then i realised it was ready at dawn i loved their touch on the god of war games on psvita and that warrants to be informed about the game atleast till i either see reviews or get some hands on time before i make judgements
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Malphite  +   206d ago
ehm... Yes?

I decided to get a PS4 after seeing The Order 1886.
BitbyDeath  +   206d ago
So much trolling in here.
If it were on another console and from another publisher it likely wouldn't see so many trolls hating on it.
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Master-H  +   206d ago
Yes, but fail trolls such as yourself probably won't.
Flutterby  +   206d ago
If you want to be honest , if the order was on any other console it wouldn't be possible to look that good in the first place. So who cares, but at least if it was on the xbone they would have one game I was interested in now instead of none, most people would probably agree too otherwise xbone sales wouldn't be half the ps4s.
styferion  +   206d ago
Lol of course, in fact all XB fanboys like you would have a more objective perspective about the game if it comes on any other console, instead of bashing the game..

I'm laughing so hard.
king_ps4  +   206d ago
Never ever post another article again.
chrissx  +   206d ago
The Order will have both
incendy35  +   206d ago
Definitely looks like it is on rails. I am ok with that though. I have liked many games that were on rails.
Bathyj  +   206d ago
You need to research what on rails means.
DigitalRaptor  +   206d ago
Get your head checked man.

"On-rails"? Yeah, in the same way Gears of War and Uncharted are "on-rails".
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incendy35  +   206d ago
Gears is definitely on rails, very scripted game. It has parts that are open, but for the most part you are stuck on a set path.
stavrami-mk2  +   206d ago
I certainly hope not I love cover shooters but not done right they can take the fun right out of it. Fuse is a good example for that
No_Limit  +   206d ago
Let's just freaking wait and see, too early to judge. It could be like Uncharted with great graphics and gameplay/storyline or it could be the next Lair, great graphics but sucks. How can anyone judge with only a couple minutes of gameplay clips?
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Sy_Wolf  +   206d ago
There's basically no gameplay that we've seen. It's a bit premature to say that the game is only about graphics.
Silly gameAr  +   206d ago
Maybe play the game first before making assumptions?
MaxKruger  +   206d ago
Well since graphics are what all you guys bicker about these days, Sony is just catering to their fanbase.
Bathyj  +   206d ago
This is like assuming because a blonde girl is gorgeous, she is a dumb bimbo, which is just a stereotype people have in there heads before you've even talked to the girl. I can assure you, smart pretty blonde women exist.
Dirtnapstor  +   206d ago
There's no reason why a game can't have both an incredible visual appeal and solid gameplay. Especially this new-gen. I think it will be one of the few that really dominate. Looks fantastic, the playstyle is proven; ensuring the story is well written and gripping is the only concern...but I have little doubt that will be an issue.
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Tedakin  +   206d ago
Graphically it's holy shit amazing. Gameplay wise so far it looks exactly like Gears of War in France. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.
thief  +   206d ago
That comment reminds me a bit of killzone. Which had the greatest graphics of any game last gen and possibly this as well.
But also had the most intense, absorbing multiplayer, and very unique gameplay based on cover, tactics and weighty weapons rather than running all over the place or camping, which is typical of a few very popular games.
Of course, the single player was not as good. But it was still better, and clearly had more effort spent on it than battlefield, call of duty or halo.

Coming back to this game, you can be sure of one thing. It wil either be a solid third person shooter in which case it will be accused of being "generic" (while gears 5, halo 7 and cal of duty whatever get a free pass). Or it wil be a very unique experience in which it wil be scored down because apparently "gameplay" these days means playing like a call of duty clone.

Whatever be the case, the gamers who actually play this game will get to enjoy a game with great graphics, a great background setting AND great gameplay.
Brucis  +   206d ago
Unfortunately, the devs have stated it's story and graphics over gameplay with this title. Doesn't mean gameplay will be bad, but they're clearly not focusing on it from their comments.
ArbitorChief  +   206d ago
Everything that is wrong with modern game development today.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   206d ago
It's way too early to make an assumption like this.
sorane  +   206d ago
Why they've already stated that gameplay takes a backseat to story and graphics.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
KNWS  +   206d ago
This would be considered a click and bait piece. But since its not about x box you will not find it on N4G

Opinion about the order 1886 given in the link.
http://www.fool.com/investi...
Qrphe  +   206d ago
>fool.com

You're right about the click and bait part
ArgumentumAdPopulum  +   206d ago
Actually fool.com is banned from N4G for a reason. Also you're off topic.
modesign  +   206d ago
if you follow fool.com, your a moron.
fenome  +   206d ago
I supposed you missed the little disclaimer at the bottom of the article stating "The Motley Fool owns shares of Microsoft"

Not biased at all..
DigitalRaptor  +   206d ago
Dear, oh dear... KNWS, are you actually trying to embarrass yourself?

I just read the link. It sounds like it's where you get your general stupidity from.

"Capcom's Deep Down. The free-to-play title was originally slated for release this past February, but it no longer has a firm release date. Unfortunately for Sony, the game is one of the few PS4 titles with the chance to spur Japanese interest in the system."

Wrong, as always. Sony is lined up to reveal both The Last Guardian and Project Beast for PS4 at E3. Either of these would INSTANTLY spur interest in the system from Japanese gamers. How embarrassing.
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"Sony will probably pad out its PS4 lineup for the rest of the year with indie titles"

What's that? Deep Down, TLOU Remastered, DriveClub, PlanetSide 2, Guilty Gear Xrd..... are those indies to pad out a lineup that this author thinks only consists of DriveClub? How embarrassing.
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"Driveclub looks to stand as the title's only big exclusive for the year."

So the author thinks that inFamous: Second Son is not a big exclusive? What has Microsoft had this year other than (non-exclusive) Titanfall? Nothing. How embarrassing.
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"representatives were quick to point to the fact that PlayStation Plus subscribers would receive an almost full version of the upcoming racer Driveclub at no additional cost. The game was originally stated to be a launch title for PS4, but was delayed to an early 2014 date.

Prospective consumers were reassured that they would still have access to a downloadable version of the game that had most of the content. However, when Driveclub's new October release date was announced, the story had changed. PlayStation Plus subscribers will now be able to download what essentially amounts to a sizable demo of the game."

NEVER did anyone at Sony say anything other than the PS+ version would offer all the features of the game, but with less cars and tracks. NEVER was the amount of cars and tracks specified as being "almost full". What disgusting agenda-based lies that you are latching on to.
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This article is what is misleading you and other consumers. It is written by a fanboy with a DISGUSTING agenda posing as a professional writer. And you are falling for it hook line and sinker, because you are desperate for Sony to receive as much criticism as Microsoft has. What a disgrace.
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objdadon  +   206d ago
Judging by the backlash against watchdogs, a lot of gamers or so called gamers seem to want graphics over gameplay.
modesign  +   206d ago
when it comes to ps4 exclusives "gamers" will find any excuse to trash it.
90Supra  +   206d ago
Ridiculous...

The gameplay that's been shown doesn't automatically represent how the entire game will play...

You can easily find 3 to 4 minutes of similar gameplay style in just about any recent 3rd person shooter...
Predaking77  +   206d ago
Oh my God the things people make up to criticize Sony. Now it turns out Sony only have good visual games without any gameplay . I wonder what kind of people belive this
Garbage.

PS4 is the best console to have both visuals and gameplay where you don't have to settle for gameplay alone.

Also, how can they judge the gameplay of this game when it is not even released to make a proper review.
objdadon  +   206d ago
The developers have said over and over that the qte is involved in the cut scenes! Meaning instead of you just watching a cinematic, you'll be involved in it and the gameplay will just keep flowing never stopping. People automatically jump at "qte" as if the gameplay is just that.
SpideySpeakz  +   206d ago
The boners are just jealous so they spread rumours and such. You know, they have nothing good to play so they troll the net until halo comes out.
Speak_da_Truth  +   206d ago
ahhhhhhh i see another article calling the order generic after only seeing 5-6 minutes of gameplay lol i love it when these haters keep hatin this game like i said it makes me even more excited for it
Baccra17  +   206d ago
If this is going to be demoed on the E3 floor, does that mean PS4 users can try it at home with a timed demo?
DefenderOfDoom2  +   204d ago
MUST WATCH TOTALBISCUIT video from JUNE 2ND on this topic!!

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