Microsoft issues a new SKU, but is it really beneficial?
Until the price is known, this is trying to make something out of nothing. Are you missing the part where a game is included with the original kinect? Perhaps there are cost saving measures this time. Or perhaps this is just typical marketing that gets you to save money by bundling instead of purchasing sperate. Microsoft is not giving the illusion of a price drop, we all know they are taking an item out which by default decreases the value.
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole of The Law. I do not think Microsoft are trying to bamboozle anyone, I just think they are doing everything in their power to catch up to the PS4. I wish them luck and I hope that this is not the END for XBOX.
The only thing wrong with the Xbox One, after all the of the revisions, was the price tag. A Xbox One at $399 with Kinect was a good value proposition. Without Kinect, then the question is why wouldn't you just buy the more powerful console for the same price? On top of that, Microsoft has constantly said that the Xbox One was designed around the Kinect. Now all of a sudden, we get the Kinectless Xbox One at $399. The problem with this is that the original concept for the Xbox One was not designed without Kinect in mind. This means that resources and power was allocated to the Kinect. That is one of the reasons that the console is less powerful than the PS4. Now they are taking away a major feature that the Xbox One was designed around, a feature that gamers immediately told them they didn't want, and the end result is a weaker console with no real advantages. If Microsoft wanted to actually give people what they want, than they would have dropped the price of the console to $399 with Kinect. $399 with Kinect is an amazing deal, without Kinect I am just left wondering why I would pay $399 for a weaker console? Sadly, Microsoft is in a bad situation because this is a decision that should have been made before the console ever released to market and certainly after the price of the PS4 was made public.
aleister crowley. really??? :-/ (he's the founder of the church of satan for those of you who don't know)
@cleft5 Last generation it was revealed that Kinect cost $50 to produce and sold for $149 The price point is intended to cover the cost of manufacturing it, the cost of R&D, advertising and profit of course. 399 for Xbox One and Kinect would be a good price for consumers, but a disaster for Microsoft. At $399 a stand alone Xbox One is a questionable move for Microsoft given the current cost to produce the unit, but it is acceptable if they can attach a bunch of software (enter Halo). The messaging of the original idea behind Xbox One is past the point of repair, but if they can bundle Kinect with a game at $149, there is a good chance that they can recover the R$D.
@headblackman don't EVER get Crowley mixed up with Anton Lavey. Aleister Crowley had nothing to do satanism. He was a member of the Ordo Templi Orientis and founder of the Thelema religion and the law of Thelema is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will." Microsoft are really stopping to new lows here sending trolls in here to try and make me out to be some satan worshipper.
@MrTehDiNGO #1.1 Bubble you down for using a satanic quote, "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole of The Law." and if you didn't know where this saying originated then may god forgive u. If u did, then god help u! @headblackman Yes you are right my friend, it is a sad world we live in today! Satanists everywhere, gays everywhere, paedophiles everywhere, war and death everywhere! all i can say is keep strong in your deen, Mine is Islam, yours may be Christianity, whatever it is may u find peace on the day of judgement! ameen And happy gaming!!! sorry everyone for bringing religion into the discussion.
@LonDonE "Yes you are right my friend, it is a sad world we live in today! Satanists everywhere, gays everywhere, paedophiles everywhere, war and death everywhere!" Really dude? Gays are as bad as paedophiles and death? Man, get your priorities right.
"Do what thou wilt" isn't satanic. If you're going to let a religion rule your life at least know what you're talking about.
@BigStoat and @MrTehDiNGO My priorities are right, its your priorities which are all wrong! just like the majority of the world today. And aliester crowley was a devil worshipper who practised black magick, he sacrificed and ate children, go watch his documentary or better yet read his biography!! also "do what thou wilt, was revealed to him by a demon spirit named Aiwass,who possessed crowleys wife while in Egypt in the great pyramid! this same demon helped crowley write the book of the law! The very essence of do what thou wilt is against everything which has to do with god, and god fearing people, who are supposed to live by gods law and no just do whatever they want and desire. Go watch this documentary! and stop believing wikipedia so easily! it is biased when it comes to illuminati/masons/satanists. Alistair worshipped demon spirits! this is well known. http://www.youtube.com/watc... And watch this, http://www.youtube.com/watc... I hope they will open your eyes if not then you have no hope. Engaging in magick is devil worship, these spirits they invoke are demons. @MrTehDiNGO "Microsoft are really stopping to new lows here sending trolls in here to try and make me out to be some satan worshipper". Dude i am no Microsoft dude, look at my profile pic/avatar, I OWN AND GAME ON ALL PLATFORMS! MY PIC PROVES THIS! unlike the majority of liars here on N4G who claim they own every platform! I am not saying you are satanic, i am saying "Do what thou wilt" is a satanic statement! please watch the documentaries above! "We are Legion we are many" is also another well documented satanic saying which Satan said and which allot of people use without realising where its from.
" Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole of The Law."- http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Why bring Satanism into this? _____________________________ _______________ I would rather live by the Tenets of the Shaolin 1. Motivation - something that causes a person to act 2. Confidence - faith or belief that one will act in a right, proper or effective way 3. Discipline - orderly conduct or pattern of behavior 4. Perseverance - continued effort to do or achieve something despite difficulties, failure, or opposition 6. Respect - high or special regard 7. Community - a unified body of individuals 8. Righteousness - acting in accord with moral law 9. Tolerance - sympathy for beliefs or practices differing from one's own
@londone "I am not saying you are satanic, i am saying "Do what thou wilt" is a satanic statement! please watch the documentaries above! "We are Legion we are many" is also another well documented satanic saying which Satan said and which allot of people use without realising where its from" You do know god and satan are as real as the tooth fairy and the flying spaghetti monster right ? there for satan didnt say anything at all because he did and does not exist, you are a wacko.
I don't think that "Do what thou wilt" is satanic in its self but it does sum up the current society we live in which is likely just as bad. If I did what I wanted I would eradicate fat and lazy people, so pray this law never takes hold :)
Why get all up and arms over a quote that may or may not be associated with satanism. A harmless quote at that. Regardless satanism actually doesn't worship satan or even have a god for that reason. If you ever did some research you would see that they are athiest or ithiest and dont believe in god or satan or lucifer heaven or hell .. none of it. Oh well(ignorance is bliss they say) http://www.churchofsatan.co... Im hoping microsoft reaaaallly come out of the slumber they are in right now. Even tho im more of a PC/PS4 guy im not close minded in the way that i know microsoft had a very important part into making gaming what it is now. Competition is needed. Unless they wanna get out of the industry and well ..........Dreamcast 2! I can only dream. Sigh
But they said before that Kinect as a stand alone would cost $150. This was back in November when trying to justify the $500 price tag.
Or more so really it should be 350$ without Kinect
People here will find negative in world peace and prosperity for mankind....
is bamboozle really a most fitting word here?
I think this is a stupid move by Microsoft to remove kinect from consoles.
I kind of agree with your comment. I think they should have price dropped the current SKU, and still added another SKU for people who don't like Kinect.
i'm pretty sure that's the situation anyway... two SKUs available for sale - one with kinect, one without. and a price drop on the original SKU is inevitable.
I'm not a xbox one owner, but you are correct! the kinect is what made it different and unique from the PS4, and now they remove it, it's not unique anymore. MS is so desperate to get more sold that they want it removed to reduce the price of the system to match it with their competitor. I to think that it's a dumb move they did!
I do believe Microsoft marketing did it wrong as you stated in the article. Best price drop for Kinect-less console is $349.99.
That is exactly what I thought the price should be. It helps undercut the PS4 value if they did it like that.
Is it beneficial? Yes, it's beneficial.
You've convinced me.
Pre-orders for the new XBO without Kinect are very high. The system will sell much better without Kinect. It is beneficial.
This is a pretty stupid article. Bundles are almost always a better value than buying items separately. That's kind of the point... It's not tricky marketing at all... People that don't want kinect are saving fifty dollars by not purchasing something they don't want. People that do want kinect can save money upfront by getting the bundle. Everybody wins.
they will charge the price they feel people will go for, people have being going on about MS should drop kinect and so the console should cost 399 this is what people expected to pay so MS chose that price. if it does sell as well trust me they will drop the price to 349.99
That's what I'm hoping for, but I still would like a price cut for the original one.
There isn't much value in Kinect when it comes to gaming. Whenever fans defend it, they're usually talking about Skype or voice commands. So basically Kinect's best feature is being a webcam with a mic.
a webcam with a mic and IR blasters. Don't sell the IR blasters short, I find them extremely useful
Right, but that doesn't get much use unless you're playing Kinect games.
For me, it's been the IR blaster, that makes it worth having.
Right, but aside from Kinect games, that doesn't get much use.
The IR blaster isn't used for kinect games. It's what allows me to control my entertainment system. It's what makes one guide and smart glass work. It's what turned my cell phone into a universal remote.... I use it every day.
Again, that's a non-gaming function.
I'm just glad the Kinect is gone. I didn't want it, and it puts the console more in my price range. I will probably seriously look at picking one up now, where I wasn't at all thinking about it before. A job well done by Microsoft.
Lots of rumours Microsoft may release a disk less console, reducing the price even further. I'm sure Sony will do the same if it happens. All good for gamers who can't afford to go next gen yet!
What hdd size would you predict? Edit The disc less version hdd size? Can't be too small or too large due to price if you know what I mean
The x box 1 has an internal harddrive. What hdd size would you predict? Not sure what you mean? This how it works on xb1. Maybe they can just remove it and just use the cloud. It would take a bit of tweaking and work, but Microsoft might be able to do it? Your data is stored to both your hard drive and the cloud simultaneously. Xbox Live keeps your important data in sync so you don’t lose anything when you use a friend or family member’s console, or even when you switch to a new console. Note A regular connection to Xbox Live is required to keep your data in sync. Playing offline may cause your cloud data to become out of date. Your data refreshes each time you connect to Xbox Live. This rumour came from Nktml and he's been proven mostly right so far. his Xbox One model will be white instead of the standard black, come with a 1 TB HDD and will not have a Blu-ray Drive
I would love a diskless version of both X1 and PS4, I hope that rumor comes true.
Disc-less SKU, would be dumb. It would appeal to a very small minority. Don't think it would be a smart move.
MORE OPTIONS = ALWAYS BETTER... You may think it's dumb, but that's your opinion. Being that you feel that way, you have the option of buying a Kinectless SKU, Kinect SKU, or neither. See you have options?
@Hugo I meant dumb from a business stand point. As a consumer of course more options are better. As far as R&D and production goes i don't think it would be worth it for Microsoft.
Add that fact that it would be more expensive to maintain multiple SKUs then just one. You dont have to be a major in Business to know that. So no more options doesn't always mean its better for the firm. Maybe for the consumer but not the firm.
That would be the true DRM console that Microsoft wanted. Digital is pure DRM. LMAO. Most gamers aren't ready for a digital only marketplace.
People in general are turned off by digital only, the EB i go to often have had less sales with the bundle xbones because people dont want the digital download games they want physical than they do with the straight up normal one with no games, its like that nation wide, so a diskless console would be a complete waste of money because they wouldnt sell enough to make it back. A lot of people are even turned off by the fact some games are online only like the PvZ game and titanfall, so no diskless is pretty much 100% not coming unless MS are dumber than most thought.
M$ can't please some people. You have people that will complain no matter what they do. I think the whole kinect mandate would have been better if the was a Kinect game included with the console from the get go.
Xb1 plus titanfall and kinect was 350 to 370 pounds. Now its 350 on its own. Typical microsoft. They should chuck in a digital game at 350, or an extra controller.
Of course they are, they also are planning to steal all your babies and kittens. Microsoft is teh evil! : |
"I've been bamboozled!!"
No you were clearly hornswoggled.
Nah he's been boobieboozled
It just never ends.
What happens when Sony meets their financial goal with ps4 then lowers the price to $349 and offers a version bundled with the ps4 camera for $399?
Why would Sony want to do that when the PS4 is selling so well? The standalone PS4 is probably more expensive to produce due to the GDDR5 and whatnot so I don't see that happening anytime soon. If the PS4 were to get a drop in a year, for instance, I think MS will match it as they are strong enough financially and won't be undercut.
they're not gonna lower their price anytime soon unless they need to. they're out to make money, lowering a price on a product thats selling well is something i doubt they'd do
You think price drops revolve around meeting some secret goal? How cute. It's supply and demand. The ps4 will remain at its current price until it is no longer the optimal price for moving units and making a profit.
Um...yes price drops revolve around a secret goal. To get more systems in the household over the competition. Microsoft is doing it right now.
No secret goals. Price drops revolve around optimization of profit. The only "goal" is to make as much money as possible. If things were done as you suggest, Sony would be reducing there own income for no reason. They factor in how much it costs to make, market and ship each device, and the rate at which the devices are selling, and they use that data to determine the sweet spot. Right now Sony is at the sweet spot. In fact I bet they have investors who would argue the ps4 is underpriced. The only way Sony would drop the price, is if their sales rate slowed significantly, Microsoft has dropped their price because their rate of sale was slower than they had hoped, so they weren't making money given the cost of running the operation. Essentially, the market dictates how much things cost, not some secret sales goals. Selling more consoles than the comp isn't anyone's primary goal. Fanboys just wish it was. The real goal is to make money, just like any other industry.
The author of this article is trying to bamboozle me.
It's only a $40 price drop. You can get an xone with kinect and Titanfall for $500. Everyone needs to buy a game with the $400 console making a kinectless xone with a game $460.
People are on here like they know whats best for the company. You are not apart of it and have no real understanding of the stats and manufacturing that goes behind their product, only they do.
It amazes me. So many couch C.E.O.'s If they put as much emphasis on their life as they do trying to persuade people not to buy a gaming console.............. this world may know peace!!!
Lol! Thx 4 that!
Lol of course this whole thing is a play with numbers. If they wanted to legitimately lower the price they would have just done so with the bundled version. Only an idiot would see this as a good deal, but unfortunately there are plenty of idiots out there and Microsoft is well aware of this. I predict it will show a slight increase in sales then level out to about the same it is now in a month or less
They're a corporation who sells products and who have stockholders that expect a profit every year, of course they're trying to bamboozle us. Just like ALL OTHER companies, you think they're doing us a favor by making consoles and games ? The only real queston is how much are they trying bend us over a table and let is have. And if you want to know the answer to that then do a little mental time traveling to last year's E3 and the amount of 180s, back peddling and all around BS they've pulled and you will come the conclusion that MS plan was to get us drunk, bend us over, tie us down, and use industrial size toys on us. Funny part is there where and still are alot of you out there who who heard of the plan and happily showed up wearing no panties, and Costco sized bottles of Vodka and Vaseline. And you still drive around with them in your car just in case MS calls you at 1 am on a Saturday night. Lol.
With the kinnect, microsoft has an opportunity to sell the system at a loss to potentially offer a better value. excluding games. What was it 80$ to produce the kinect? Big deal. Sell it at a loss, and you have an argument for equal value, and maybe some give. Had MS matched ps plus sooner, offered the kinnect at the same price, then I might be on the Xbone scene. *Kinect can be fantastic with the right games. The 720p vs 1080p difference is a deal breaker, but in the long run we might have 720p on both platforms as games become more demanding. imo.