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Submitted by iilluminate 119d ago | opinion piece

Microsoft is giving us choices, we should be happy

Robert Kingett, DarkZero: "The choices presented are pretty staggering, though they should have happened sooner and not just a few days ago, but still, people have many more options now. Developers will have a better understanding of the market because they will know that some people will have the Kinect bundled Xbox and the Kinect-less Xbox. " (Kinect, Microsoft, Xbox One)

Ballsack  +   119d ago
Microsoft are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts

I'm happy that gamers have finally realised we can talk with our wallets and make billion dollar companies bow to our demands ..Microsoft have had their tail between their legs ever since they tried to screw us over..they are literally begging us to take notice of them again with the amount of 180s they have done ..

we now need to this with certain game publishers and their microtransactions etc
Mikelarry  +   119d ago
"we now need to this with certain game publishers and their microtransactions etc"

ever since the MS fiasco i have hope that when push comes to shove majority of gamers will stand together for the better good of the industry. all those publishers that are milking dlc,season pass and what-like should enjoy it now because i know that type off business is not sustainable in the long run same goes for publishers and dev who are on a re-release agenda not willing to take risk on new ideas and IP's they will only have themselves to blame once the bubble bust.

OT: I am happy MS are now giving us more choices so happy that I am now a proud owner of an xbox one and I say bring on E3
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ZodTheRipper  +   119d ago
Of course people on this site are happy that MS is going the gamers route again ...but it was certainly not because of goodwill or "to please the fans". Sales were simply below expectations and that said I don't even think that siding with the gamers again will save them. Especially WE know exactly how soon MS abandoned the X360 and how timed exclusives came to PS3 a few years later ...and we know exactly which console is more powerful and yet cheaper... and who has the better support from developers and the superior first party lineup. These are things that MS can't influence at all and that is the reason why gamers won't be happy with them anytime soon.
supes_24  +   119d ago
@Milkelarry,
Same here. I now have an x1 also. I wish I wouldn't have started wolfenstein on my PS4, or got it for my x1, because I want to get in to my new system so bad. But once I start something I have to finish it. I set up my x1 when I bought it and I love it and Ryse is sitting there waiting for me to play it.
amiga-man  +   119d ago
Correction MS are giving us choices now!! after trying and failing (thank goodness) to take our choices away and they deserve no credit for putting right something that should never have been done in the first place
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user1439414  +   119d ago
MS will only follow what Sony do, they cannot lead the way they just wait for someone to innovate and then copy them and try and exploit gamers with false hopes. Like all this talk of the power of the cloud and DX12, until I see it working and they show us it working on an XB1 its then I am not interested. Sony will continue to lead the way and Microsoft will continue to follow behind. Microsoft tried to lead the way and look what happened they wanted an always online console with no way to trade your games that is the future what Microsoft want.
aceitman  +   119d ago
Well at 1st it seemed like they did do it to give gamers a choice(they said they did it cause the fans wanted it. :o ) but after the sales numbers came out it open the eyes of many(not all) that it was removed to lower cost and see if the sales would pick up. Which from the looks at things it's not changing things it's looking worst, the preorders for kinect less x1is at amazons 285 spot even for preorders that's not good at all. And the titanfall bundle is at 58 and dropping more in the past few weeks. It would have been something to be happy about if it where true that they did it for choices , but it left ms no choice at all but to disconnect something they said they will NEVER do . ( go kinect less) I don't care what anyone says they did it for lack of sales. They gave gamers a better choice when they had the kinect bundles with games for 399-449$. And at that time is when they did not sell to expectations , so how is a 399$ kinectless X1 without a game a better choice, now it's barebones . Which one do u think will sell better a kinect less 399$ or a bundle with kinect and a game for 399-449$ for some it's easy to pick for some it will be blinding to see. And will defend the one that is not the better choice because they feel ms did it for them.
Sloth-Eater  +   119d ago
I 100% agree. Having both the ps3 & 360 I knew from last E3 I wouldn't be touching Xbox this gen. Some people have too short a memory.
Mikelarry  +   119d ago
But the same could be said about sony last gen as they were arrogant with statements like you will have to get another job to own a ps3 or leaving the UK in the cold for awhile before it was launched in our region or the premium price the ps3 originally launched at. They realised thier mistakes and gamers gave them another chance so why cant that same logic be applied to MS, they have realised thier faults due to aony kicking thier ass noone is saying they are making all theaw choices from the goodness of thier hearts so they ahould be giving another chance
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Why o why  +   119d ago
Mike, although I agree with your sentiment, the 'two jobs' statement if you ever actually read it has ben misconstrued to the point there's no point explaining it again. Mud sticks, even if it shouldn't. The difference between the two in my opinion is that ms were doing dodgy arrogant sh%t from last gen too. The final 3rd took the piss, their fanboys were way too happy to wave the multiplat flag on top of the 'na only matters' flag because MS would make a point of each (greenberg)

Like many have mentioned, ms isn't doing this for the love. They have been forced to. Either way its benificial for gamers, forced or not but it still leaves a bitter taste in many gamers mouths.

Obviously, those who defended each crap policy that ms has now reversed didn't see any faults so speaking to them was pointless and ms already 'had' them. Enough of the world did see fault and ms had to respond to increase appeal to them or risk falling even further behind sony.
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Pogmathoin  +   119d ago
Regardless, whether it is for out of kindness or desperation, there are more choices, that many here asked for, will have cheaper, kinect free X1.... Many games being announced, many exciting things happening. Now is the time to see those who have talked the talk non stop here, if they will walk the walk, and do what they have been saying non stop last 6 months..... I would buy an Xbox if MS did this..... Did that....... Does it matter how it was done?? Prove yourselves, or just stop the bitter complaining about a company and grow a pair.....
Mikelarry  +   119d ago
@ why

Trust me i understand that ms is not doing it from the goodness of thier hearts and only made theae changes to save face what i am trying to get across is all these companies have sometimes in the past shot themselves in the foot even nintendo back in the day with the way they treated developers putting games on thier console but they realised thier faults for whatever reason and should be giving a fair chance if they have backed tracked on the policies gamers / developers were upset about
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Yetter  +   119d ago
Funny, I feel the exact same feelings towards Sony.
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gamer7804  +   119d ago
Its a business for MS and Sony. It would be terrible if they made decisions based on the goodness of their hearts
Darkstares  +   119d ago
I buy products based on what it offers. Not on what was said in the past. After all, are we not paying for experiences? Seems like a complete waste of time going on and on about what Microsoft was proposing in the past. The vocal minority either need to just come out and say they will never buy the XB1, move on, and stop talking about it. Or explain what's stopping them from buying one right now which would only include software, price, or hardware related matters.
rainslacker  +   119d ago
What's kept me from buying one day one, and right now is their initial policies with the system.

Don't get me wrong, I am happy that they reversed them, and I do like all the moves they're making now to make the console better, but I've watched MS business moves since I was old enough to understand them.

The initial X1 reveal only reaffirmed to me that MS is still the same company they have always been. Anti-consumer, and only interested in pushing their own agenda regardless of the benefit to their customers. This same sentiment is what made me hold off on the 360 until it got to a point where I didn't need one because the PS3 was more than delivering content.

There are games I want to play on the X1. I was ready to buy one day one. But MS has to do a lot more than just put on a good show to make me think that I should support their overall hostile mentality towards customers. When a company goes decades doing the same thing over and over again, and then "fixing" their products after they realize people won't buy it is not a company that listens to customers. It's a company that constantly backpedals on it's policies to remain relevant and line their own coffers. A company that listens to consumers fixes these issues early, and not after sales numbers come out.

There is absolutely no way that MS didn't know what kind of backlash they would have gotten. They are too big and too smart to not do focus research. Even if they didn't do all that, their potential customers were extremely vocal about what they though before the reveal. They didn't care, because they thought they were important enough for people to just accept it like most people do with their windows OS. I have no doubt that many higher ups in MS put their OS mentality into the X1 reveal and release.

I'll probably get an X1 by the end of the year but only to play those few games that I feel I absolutely want to play. The only other thing that would make me get one sooner is them opening up dev kit access to the system.
GundalfDeGrej  +   119d ago
Happy customers are paying customers. Them trying to make us happy is a good thing for everyone.
marlinfan10  +   119d ago
when sony dropped the ps3 price last gen do you think it was out of the goodness of their heart? companies do what they can to get sales. after all, thats the point of the company, to earn money. you fanboys think these companies are here purely to make the customer happy and do whatever they can for us. in reality, none of the big companies are. thats just the real world.
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No_Limit  +   119d ago
"Microsoft are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts "

LOL, give me one company that is doing anything out of the kindness of their heart other than either trying to compete or gain more customer's support? Even non-profit organizations like Salvation army are known to scam customers.

On the videogame front, do you think:

-Nintendo is giving an extra download game voucher with the purchase of Mario Kart 8 is due to the kindness of their heart or it is due to the fact that they want to gain more console sales?

-Sony providing "playstation Now" over Gaikai is because they are doing it just for fan service or because they can charge an extra monthly fee out of it?

-MS is no different with dropping the Kinect because they are not doing it compete and gain more marketshare. Simple as that.

But all that really doesn't matter to us gamers because it all benefit us due to healthy competition so fans of XB1, including myself, will just pretend it is out of the kindness of their heart. Speaking of which, I was at the MS store yesterday and got a great deal on 3 XB1 games for $60 for the memorial day sale. I think MS might be loosing money on that end, so who knows, maybe that is out of the kindness of their heart. :)
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3-4-5  +   119d ago
" Staggering" choices ?

Definition:

Stagger - walk or move unsteadily, as if about to fall.

^ Anyone else pick up on that?
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CapraDemon  +   119d ago
well said Amiga-man
Joey_Leone  +   119d ago
The damage has been done, Xbox is trash/a scam to me.
akaFullMetal  +   119d ago
It's good that Microsoft is giving us options because options are always good. But to look at this as if Microsoft is doing this out of the goodness of there heart, no, they are doing this because they are way below sale expectations compared to there competitor. In order to become competitive they are 180ing everything that people have been complaining about since the reveal a year ago, it just took a sales beating for them to finally give us (quotation marks) choices.
DLConspiracy  +   119d ago
People feel the same way about Sony. I heard a guy say they wanted to raise donations for Sony because of the sales they lost in other divisions. Nobody should think a corporation cares.
Darkstares  +   119d ago
Well of course they are doing these things because they want to remain competitive.You think Sony is now charging to play online for the PS4 because it's thew goodness of their hearts? You think they dropped PS2 functionality on the PS3 because of the goodness of our hearts?

All companies will either have to make changes or face low sales. Nintendo is learning that with the Wii U as well, it's why they reduced the price. How long before the Wii dropped in price compared o the PS3? You think Sony dropping servers for many games is all goodwill?
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snookiegamer  +   119d ago
Askin' gamers to be happy is like askin' the sun not to shine in California ;/
tinynuggins  +   119d ago
Ain't that the truth!
Whitey2k  +   119d ago
Hardware design is at its worst aswell even the 360 is a better design the the x1
christocolus  +   119d ago
Errm, how is that even related to the article?
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dream2100  +   119d ago
Man or girl take your ass to sleep
dream2100  +   119d ago
The worst design is your brain
chrissx  +   119d ago
Ms are nw giving gamers choices bcos gamers left them with no other choice. The direct competition is blowing ms away even in their own turf
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The 10th Rider  +   119d ago
Lol, who approved this? It blatantly needs a title change:

"Microsoft ARE giving us choices"

should be

"Microsoft IS giving us choices"
Spotie  +   119d ago
Not everyone sees a corporation as a single entity. This happens frequently in Europe, and not so much here in USA.
djplonker  +   119d ago
If I recall correctly microsoft was not giving us a "choice" last year... millions behind in sales yeah its totally for the customer!

/s
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marlinfan10  +   119d ago
when the ps3 was considered the "luxury" model and they said its for people that only like the nice things do you think it was just sony loving their customers when they dropped the price? no its because they had to. they still turned out fine last gen right? why is it any different with MS this gen? they made a mistake and now they're trying to fix it. you guys take stuff way to personal. or you just blow it up because its MS, one or the other
djplonker  +   119d ago
Why bring up sony?

I just hate microsoft....
marlinfan10  +   119d ago
"millions behind in sales"

you're bringing up sony you just didnt say the actual name
rainslacker  +   118d ago
Sony didn't really redefine their vision of the console when they dropped the price. The price drop coincided with a new SKU release and was only really relevant to remaining stock of the older SKU's, not across the board. The BC wasn't taken out until after the next iteration of the console after the price drop. The $100 price drop across the board came almost a full year after the PS3's release, and was probably done to be more competitive because the 360 dropped their price at the same time. But Sony's PS3 was actually selling pretty well, and they had trouble keeping up with demand due to fabrication problems of the blu-ray drive for the first 9 months the system was on sale.

Sony also had two SKU's available at launch. so had choice at launch. One a whole $100 cheaper than the "premium" model. Sony didn't force a peripheral on the user and not give them a choice to get a system without it either.

So it is a bit different, although I'm sure Sony was hoping for a similar result.
Baka-akaB  +   119d ago
A bit tired of "shill journalism" . There is being positive , and there is accepting whatever crap happen from Sony , MS and Nintendo , or game publishers , then trying to forcefully convince your readers that it's all good .

Not once have those bloggers/"journalist& quot ; even entertained the idea that MS could just have supported the cost of selling the whole XB1/kinect package cheaper . And they know they can , companies in worse shape than MS have shouldered tremendeous costs to support and help a product , for the long run and haul .

Instead after yammering for months that Kinect is awesome , like the shills they are , they are now as easily saying "oh but oh well the darn thing wasnt used and is bloody useless now aint it ?"

Yeah right ... journalists and bloggers ? Who needs a PR department when you got those offering themselves for free ?
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BX81  +   119d ago
Ummm try going back and reading some articles after the xb1 announcement. You might feel diferently.
Baka-akaB  +   119d ago
Well we can go back . There were mostly comparison in favor , of the ps4 because of the price granted . But they hardly requested the bundle to be sold cheaper ... they most clamored for a kinect less version . And here we are instead .

And regardless of the subject , as a whole the gaming press isnt about looking out for its gamers readership . They sell hard the most ludicrous concept or games for every companies involved , then they try to guilt-trip you if it fails or backlash . They'll only bash something if it's trendy to
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KakashiHotake  +   119d ago
We should be happy..really? If anything Xbox fans should be thanking Sony because if not for them you wouldn't even be able to play used games on your Xbone.
DanielGearSolid  +   119d ago
The writer is literally repeating pr buzzwords
Spotie  +   119d ago
It's not as if they did us a favor...
Perjoss  +   119d ago
The problem with all the biggest corporations is that before they do anything at all they ask the question "how profitable will this be in the end" So even if they hire 200 people to stand in the street and hand out free stuff its not because they like you or feel sorry that they tried to screw you over, its because some of them sat down and calculated the cost of the event vs how much positive PR or advertising it would generate for them.

And thats why I love independent dev teams, they hide cool stuff in their games because they want to make you smile. They polish the little things to have charm and add small details everywhere because they know you will notice it and appreciate it.

Obviously this doesn't apply to all major corps or all indy devs, but in most cases its true.
SixtyNine  +   119d ago
"Microsoft are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts"

What company does anything "out of the goodness of thier heart"?

It is a business. It is suppose to be about mutual benefits.
They make money, in return we get a product and service. There's nothing more to it.

They're not responsible for you. They're not obliged to care about you.
Fatal-Aim  +   119d ago
stupid article...

that's the same as bundling a dualshock with one console and omitting it from another. the point is, the dang thing isn't STANDARD anymore.

to invest so much into an idea just to turn around and abandon it probably wasn't worth the investment to begin with. i say that because both Sony and Nintendo have STANDARDS that will progress, next generation controllers and EVERY GAME. Microsoft, on the other hand, basically have the same controllers with the exception of rumble put into the triggers. this is in no way a game changer. therefore, games will basically look prettier than previous generations while playing no different.
sashimi  +   119d ago
Microsoft isn't giving us the choice, we the gamers won that choice for ourselves.
piffdabiff  +   119d ago
Even if MS has made a huge step in the right direction, I still would like them to have bad sales figures. If you think about it. Only now is Xbox Live Gold getting on par with PSN+. Why is that? I will let you answer that question. But what that tells me is they don't care about the gamers. I truly fell sorry for the Xbots for paying more on all fronts and still getting less. Its like being the girl in a unhealthy relationship, always thinking it will get better but it wont.
BioNeo  +   119d ago
Microsoft is*

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