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Sony on Why Indie is So Important to PlayStation

PlayStationing writes: "Journey is perhaps one of the most famous and successful examples of indie games in recent memory, being a critically acclaimed darling and winning several Game of The Year awards, despite many believing that a download-only game would never win such an award. Sony’s senior business development manager Shahid Ahmad has been leading the charge to bring more indie titles to the PlayStation 4 and PlayStation Vita for a few years now, and it’s definitely working."

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Hellsvacancy799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

I LOVE indie games, don't care what other people think (unless they agree) i've enjoyed so many this gen, I recently finished Brothers, it's a superb game i'm really glad I got to play it (thanks PS+) it's such a charming game

The problem is some people have trouble having an imagination, their brains are locked off to new experiences

gaffyh799d ago

True, a lot of people can't imagine liking a game without guns.

miyamoto799d ago

The PS4 is the most powerful console today and with great power comes great responsibility. Responsibility to all game developers big and small. To get the balance right. Indie games are the saviours of the game industry last generation from the publisher's obsession with blown out budgeted "AAA" games.

Gamer666799d ago

I don't think that is the problem with Indies. Brothers is a perfect example of a good indie game.

I have a few issues with the way indies are on consoles.

First, most of the indie games we have seen so far on consoles are ports from the PC world. So playing the game again on a different platform is not that great. Especially, with Indie games that typically don't have the same re-playability over and over again as full scale games.

Second, I like Indie creativity, but the reality is that many of the games are just a bunch of shovelware or game concepts more than full games.

Third, why should gamers spend $400 on a new console when the ultimate indie experience is on PC. If you like indies so much there are 1000's of indie games already on PC. If you really like indies, consoles are not the place you should be. On consoles you are only getting a small selection of indie games, on the PC you can witness the full creativity.

Hellsvacancy799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

I didn't buy a PS3 to play Indies, I bought a PS3 to play games, it doesn't bother me if I play full retail games or smaller graphically inferior games as

I'll play/watch/read/listen to anything if it's good

Edit: And I do play/buy indie games for the PC, they're the only type games my laptop will run

uth11799d ago

What difference does it make what platform people play indie games on? I play indie games on my PS4 and Wii, I rarely play games on my PC. I could, but it's not my preference.

user5669510799d ago

@Gamer666
indie games are only good if they are on consoles. if it a indie game thats pc exclusive the game is irrelevant.

;-)

incredibleMULK799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

Indystation lately. Indies blow! Just kidding. Some are good. Reso gun is good,limbo. It justifies plus and it would justify gold if they had some. I prefer AAA games. Indy quality is coming up though. price is good too

Jughead3416799d ago

Little Big Planet started as an indie title. They became one of sony's biggest and important franchises. Most indie games may not impress, but there are some that every once in a while become big hits.

lelo799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

The problem is that 99% (being generous) of indies are crap or shovelware.

MysticStrummer799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

That's true of bigger games also, and books, and movies, and TV shows, and paintings, and sculpture, and music, etc

Spotie799d ago

Just like 99% of all other games.

Why single out indies? Is it because they've found a home on a console you don't want to like?

Go into any game store and look at all the crap shovelware that populates the walls. AAA games, large budgets, and they suck. They constitute 99% of non-indies, too.

lelo799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

@Spotie

Stop being a fanboy and grow up.
I have the PC to play the most and best indies I'm interested. I didn't buy my PS4 to play indies.

@Spotie and @MysticStrummer

As for 99% of AAA games suck, you guys must be playing the wrong kind of AAA games. Are you telling me that only one big budget game out of a 100 is good? Let's see... there's probably 30 (guessing) AAA games released a year, so according to you guys, there is only one good big budget game released every 3 years ! :O

DigitalRaptor799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

If you didn't buy a PS4 for indies then that sucks for you cause there's going to be a lot of them. There's also going to be a lot of AAA games, MMOs, free-to-plays etc, but you don't have to get mad because you're seeing a lot more creativity in the downloadable space.

In fact, when i think about it, it's pretty selfish for you to criticise games you haven't or never will play, cause you haven't played 99% of indies. It's pretty selfish to deny small developers business on consoles where gamers might not have played these games before.

In fact, if Sony hadn't been so on top of the indie scene, we wouldn't have had 2012 GOTY winner Journey, The Unfinished Swan, and we wouldn't be getting games like Rime, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, SOMA, Helldivers, Secret Ponchos or Octodad on PS4. The next Thatgamecompany game will be stronger for having been supported by Sony, and so will Giant Sparrow's next project. So will DrinkBox's next game. etc etc etc.

And yes.... the ratio of good indie games to bad indie games, is not far from the same as good AAA games to bad AAA games - and you'd be stupid to believe that isn't the case. A larger budget doesn't make a better game. You HAVEN'T played most indie games, just like you haven't played most AAA games, so don't bring the crap that indie are worse by default.

You are the prime example of a closed-minded gamer who prefers developers only focus on big budget rehashed sequels, when what most level-headed gamers want is diversity, creativity and fun. You can get all of those from both, but indies offer that far more because if low overheads required for risk-taking in that space.

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MysticStrummer799d ago

I'm glad indies are important to them. Some current AAA devs got their start that way, so Sony is supporting the future of AAA as well. Anyone who's honest and has paid attention for the last three generations knows Sony will bring the games, big and small.

Exies7799d ago

I used to play a lot of point and click games, and while the title 'indie' couldn't be given to sierra studios, my point being simply, I grew up on games without guns or violence, and purely led by your imagination. Because the graphics were worse than most indie games.

With that being said, I don't think every person who thinks Sony should focus on a few more triple A titles, is a person who lacks imagination. I think a lot of people are just frustrated with Sony's game plan for 2014. Their indie selection is nice, but by no means a reason to own a console.

I really just wish they'd focus on bringing out more triple A exclusives, because providing us with a plethora of indies isn't something that makes the lack of decent exclusives, as a problem, go away.

MasterCornholio799d ago

Talking about point and click games, the first one that I've played on consoles was Machinarium and that game is amazing. Much better than many AAA titles that I've played.

Chevalier799d ago

It's been 6 months some people in this now generation expect things instantly, the games are coming. If you think otherwise just look at last 3 years and how many games PS3 has exclusive, whereas 360 floundered away their start. There is Drive Club, The Order 1886 and Uncharted to name a few.

The indies have been good as well and with games like Child of Light, Don't Starve, Outlast and stuff like Transistor how are people not excited to just play games? Does not having AAA budgets change how great a game is?

Exies7798d ago (Edited 798d ago )

Chevalier,

It's not necessarily that an indie budget makes the experience less for me. I'll probably play transistor and child of light at some point.

It's that my biggest focus when it comes to why I play a game, is always the story. It always is and games like super time force don't provide me with that experience. It's not about the budget, it's that triple A games are more likely to have a story.

And while I don't belong to the "now generation", it's more or less to do with how much hype there was with this generation. Massive hype, and for me, the ps4 hasn't come close to matching that hype or even touching it standing on their toes.

XB1 has released a few blockbuster feature exclusive games. We got Infamous. Awesome. Infamous was our baby. Apparently we all bought a ps4 at launch because of Infamous. *shrug* Just an opinion, man. Not arguing to be self righteous or me-centric, but I do expect more with a launch like we just saw. I do.

3-4-5799d ago

Indie games need to step up though.

* They've had their chance to be...well...indie, but they need to start doing something with that.

* There are a lot of good looking indie games, but there are WAY TOO MANY generic BS games that only 20,000 people want to play.

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XiSasukeUchiha799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

Sony truly loves indies because they are the filler for AAA and AA for what we are waiting for months on end and Sony knows this!

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DualWielding799d ago

Indies are o.k but consoles need triple A (because the PC will always be the best platform for indies and unlike triple A titles, you don't really need a high end pc to play indies, so consoles have literally 0 advantages over pcs when it comes to indies)

gaffyh799d ago

I think it depends on the developer tbh, like ThatGameCompany or Q-Games. I'd take their games happily, because they are almost AAA level.

CBaoth799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

no offense but I find your logic flawed. PC will always be the best platform for ANY multiplatform game. Whatever your reason; modding, forward compatibility, or cheaper pricing, PC versions will always trump their console counterparts.

Indie games are the one exception where visual discrepancies & performance are muted. Don't Starve on the PS4, for example, performs almost identical to its PC counterpart at 1080p. Sure, in games like Minecraft we might get smaller sandboxes but essentially it's the same end experience. I get disappointed with this disparaging dogma by console-only gamers who consistently denegrate indie budgeted games.

I'm not lumping you in this mindset poet, I'm just making a blanket statement. I can't grasp this concept of alienating oneself from games because they don't have 100 million dollar budgets and marketing campaigns. Especially games where all the creativity left in the industry originate from.

DualWielding799d ago

I'm not attacking indies, I'm just saying one of the main reasons people choose consoles over pc is that they don't want to bother about system specs, having to update their pc frequently to keep up, hate that games have performance issues on older pcs....

but those are issues that only apply to triple A games, you don't need a high end video card to run them, a 5 year old laptop can run most indie games......

CBaoth799d ago

agreed amigo, the plug N play nature of consoles has always been a primary reason for owning them over a PC rig. But it has absolutely no bearing on why some console gamers have grown to resent indie titles. I would even argue that the indie scene is just as largely responsible for the resurgence in PC gaming as the elongated duration of the 7th console generation was.

uth11799d ago

@fertepoet - Bingo!
I used to game on my PC, but I got tired of that crap. I have better things to do with my time and money than upgrade perfectly good hardware every six months, and pull my hair out over driver issues.

Consoles just work for the most part.

user5669510799d ago (Edited 799d ago )

CBaoth
dont bother they are going to make excuse and bs everytime you state facts. even dont starve is different with the mods on pc. it have coop but people are waiting for the devs to release it. when that happens we will have both. they will constantly use any ammo against pc gaming every chance they get. they downplay it when its not on their console than hype it up once its ported. if h1n1 devs stated its exclusive ps fanboys would be singing a different tune.

@ferthepoet
once in a blue moon do you run into problem on pc. they wait for updates and download updates on they consoles but some how use it as ammo against pc gaming the dumbest thing ever. i cant even use my ps3 when its installing updates. i can with my pc. all my updates on my pc is done automatic. on my ps3 i have to launch each game to update them then another wait.

people try to state that games has performance issues on older pcs but completely ignore that you have to buy a new console for those same games. what happening now if someone want to play infamous i have to buy a ps4 their is no BC so stop using this as an excuse. you cant even say your ps4 have performance issues playing games from one year ago let alone 5 years ago. they give you no choice.

i find it funny people use dumb excuse and deny the obvious pros oc pc while ignoring the cons of consoles.

@uth11
see this is what pc gamers hate the constant disinformation from console fanboys. i updated my pc last year, before that it was four years so 2009. TRY HARDER

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incendy35799d ago

My favorite PS4 game by far is Resogun, at least as far as exclusives go. And Journey was probably my favorite game on PS3 last gen. And my favorite game overall this gen is Super Time Force. The indie scene is killing it!

DragonKnight799d ago

I have nothing against indie games, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Sony is going after them so much so they can bolster the PS4's offerings and put out less AAA content, or at least have something in between long years of development.

That's just a feeling I've had ever since this huge indie push started.

guyman799d ago

Put out less AAA content?

Nope

DragonKnight799d ago

I know Sony's history, but history doesn't mean that the Future is written in stone.

Software_Lover799d ago

There has only been one new game, Knack. I still need to play that. I got bored of Killzone. Infamous I didn't like. Multiplats and Resogun have been holding the fort down for me.

That might change this holiday though because I will be getting an XBone.

MysticStrummer799d ago

"I have a sneaking suspicion that Sony is going after them so much so they can bolster the PS4's offerings and put out less AAA content"

Sony knows what brought them from gaming upstart to major player in the industry. I can't believe they'd abandon that, especially the way they've been restructuring their business.

Inception799d ago

"I have nothing against indie games, but i have a sneaking suspicion that Sony is going after them so much so they can buying some of them as Sony 1st party and raise them into AAA level, just like they did with Naughty Dog, Media Molecule, Sucker Punch, and Guerilla Games. Or at least, Sony will make them as 2nd party like Housemarque, Quantic Dream, Insomniac, or Ready at Dawn."

Fixed for you dragonknight :)

DragonKnight799d ago

That's unlikely. Sony doesn't have the money to buy up so many indie devs. I can see 2nd party though. That would likely be mutually beneficial. They get all the benefits of being first party, but can reassert their independence after the contract is up.

Inception799d ago

I didn't say sony will buy a lot of indie devs, i said SOME, like maybe two or three devs. Don't forget, Sony had new project like Morpheus. I'm sure they need more devs who had fresh ideas for the project and one way to search those talented man are by scouting indies devs.

Also, don't underestimate Sony. Yes their financial not doing so good this recent years. But the fact they can bought Naughty Dog, Media Molecule, Evolution Studios, Guerilla Games, Sucker Punch, and even Gaikai when their financial isn't good shows that there still a lot we didn't know about Sony.

Chevalier799d ago

Wow pretty baseless considering their track record, just look at how the PS3 is still churning out exclusives whereas 360 which apparently MS is continuing 'support' has had nothing for 3 years. Until otherwise proven your basis is a gutt feeling?! Has no bearing on reality or fact. Which is Sony is still destroying competition in games, period.

DragonKnight799d ago

I want you to point out anywhere in my comment that I said this was definitely going to happen, that it is a fact, and that everyone is wrong.

I'll wait.

Also...

"I know Sony's history, but history doesn't mean that the Future is written in stone."

Chevalier799d ago

Your feelings don't change facts which are Sony systems have released a regular stream of quality games. Your guessing they will release less AAA games even though while MS was scaling back all 360 games and making them into Xbone games Sony still released and still are releasing GOTY's.

Really good games takes Years to develop?! Your surprised games can take years to develop?!

Sorry your comment is idiotic. We're 6 months in not years into this cycle and you seem shocked it's not raining games?! A good game has nothing to do with budget.

DragonKnight799d ago

Ok, I'm convinced you either don't understand English well or are just stupid.

Not only are you putting words into my post "Really good games takes Years to develop?! Your surprised games can take years to develop?!"

You're also reaching/reading into things that aren't there.

So forgive me if I am completely dismissive of your comment, as it is ridiculous and you're the only person who hasn't been able to address it properly. Everyone else was able to take the comment for what it was. You just felt like going on a Sony Defense rant when there was no attack to begin with. People like you make legitimate fans look bad.

Chevalier799d ago

You say Sony is bolstering PS4, to put out less AAA content except they've been putting out the best and most AAA content of the 3. Your reasoning is simply that there's so much indies? It is far too early to make those assumptions based on only 6 months, it's not even been a year.

Having a variety of content is never a bad thing. The idea that Sony is pushing indies to put out less AAA is absurd. If we were talking about the 360 you'd be right as they've had almost no exclusives the last 3 years and indies were mostly what they had offered. Sony has been more focused with variety and a mix of AAA content and truly excellent indies like Journey on PSN alongside AAA releases.

DragonKnight799d ago

Allow me to be emphatic since you don't get it.

THERE IS NO ATTACK BEING MADE AGAINST SONY!

Calm your panties.

I said I had a suspicion and you're the ONLY ONE who thinks I made an insider statement of absolute fact that you have to pounce on. You don't know what the Future is going to be like so you don't know what kind of sustainability there's going to be in terms of AAA offerings yet you're acting like you have 100% certainty about what's going on and what will go on.

Unlike you, I was voicing a suspicion. And I repeat, NOT attacking Sony.

You seriously make legitimate fans look bad. You're foaming at the mouth and ravenous just looking for someone to say something even remotely negative about the PS4 so you can just jump on it. It's pretty sad.

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