The Verge writes, "By removing Kinect, Microsoft is forfeiting its original vision."
Kinect was D.O.A never had a future.
I don't get why MS abandoned its core gamers who supported them and went for casual gamers and TV enthusiast.
I'd take Project Morpheus over Kinect anyday.
Because they saw the Wii selling like hotcakes and wanted a piece of the pie. @Anarki I don't even want Morpheus. It's going to be the same story as Wii and Kinect: Sounds pretty cool, but there is not going to be many games that support it. There are going to be very few games that excel with VR, and the other 95% will be normal games with VR tacked on, which will only get in the way.
They looked at the Wii's success and figured they could emulate it, capture that elusive casuals market while throwing the core gamers a halo/gears/forza bone every year.
Because MS saw a market opening. There's all sorts of set-top boxes out and coming out. They decided to 'unify' them, as if consumers were crying out for this. Being MS, they probably planned to be the dominant player in this field, and become the gatekeeper, giving them access new revenue streams that would eclipse pure game sales.
Hilarious how you guys go from calling it an overprices and forced "gimmick." To claiming it is the biggest mistake ever now.... You guys would complain no matter what MS does, personally I feel xbox has become 100% more focused and appealing in the last few months. (thanks to the leadership overhaul)
it was don mattrick being stupid, hopefully phil is taking care of it (and by the looks of it, he is)
@colonel179 Exactly @BadboyCivic Because they saw how the wii took the world by storm and they see how Candy Crush makes over $600,000 every single day. They were expecting to catch some of that lightning in a bottle. If they did have a vision with all of this, then it was clouded by dollar signs. Ultimately they've talked too much and shown too little. -DRM- People can still only speculate at their true intentions behind this because all they said was this is the 'future' because we said so. No true breakdown on what it was was ever given. Other than cutting out the middle-man when it comes to used games and a 'family share plan' that they never explained properly. Just another thing taken away.. -Kinect- The thing they invessted more into than the actual console itself, now taken away also. I'm not blowing smoke or rainbows about anything here, I have no interest in i but I'm not trying to pretend I speak for anyone but myself. I'm all for competition and I'm all for differentiating yourself, that's what they had going for them. The main problem was they never proved it, they just talked about the awesome things it could do. Now they're just trying to please everyone after the backlash, they need to find their focus. They're trying to compete in ways they shouldn't, they should just focus on what they're trying to do and let it speak for itself, but never forget that the GAMERS come first! We're why they dipped their toes in these waters to begin with. Right now the forecast is Cloudy, but they might turn into Thunderheads by E3. Hopeffully they bring the games and make people eat crow, so far they've just been eating their own. Out of all the Xbox guys, I like Phil the most, so hopefully he can actually make some changes in good way over there. E3's almost here baby, it's the gamers superbowl!! R U READY??
@ colonel I gave you a bubble for sharing the same belief as me. OT Kinect IMO was the biggest gimmick I've seen any company try to sell in a very long time. Nothing it was said to be able to do came to fruition (voice commands big whoop). I was never sold on it and I'm glad to see it is essentially "over". There's a reason devs haven't used it.... There aren't uses for it a controller can't do faster or more precise. Move, that's a little different. I don't have that either though
I think the only thing ms can do, is mix it up with vr if ms are planning to make one
The Kinect still has support from MS. But they listened to the feedback and gave people a Kinectless console and choice. MS wasn't gonna sit back and let potential customers walk away. The first Kinect was one of the most sold peripherals ever. That's money. Plus Kinect has way more potential than the PS eye.
lol, they were never the future, future consoles don't have brick power supplies outside, and a ugly a55 box, and who the hell uses AA batteries in the future. man the people working there are like 80 year olds, they really need to fire everyone and restart over by hiring younger people with fashion and new ideas. VR is the future, not a camera.
yup, was a future nobody wanted. And now its a games console that some more people might consider.
That's impossible! I'm already ALIVE....
what a bunch of hypocrites who writes this articles.
Still not as big hypocrites as MS. Promising a console powered by the cloud and designed around Kinect, and now it's nothing more than a souped up 360. Bunch of idiots.
They haven't abandoned it. It's still included in the 499 SKU and they clearly said it's still their main vision. That could change, but right now, it's still there.
The Xbox is owned by MS. It is there to be purchased by the public or ignored. The have to do what they see as best for their business. I am just one of those public customers. If I loss confidence in them to have a coherent vision, I can always go back to PC, or find more productive use of my time. I am still with Xbox, but I am watching to see how this all plays out. Right now they have better games than PS4, so they think all they need to do is match the price of PS4. It may hell until PS4 gets More quality games, but that shouldn't be too far off. Then what? How do they sell X1 as a choice over PS4 when they both have plenty of great games? Kinect Sports rivals offered nothing really new. The only Sports that could push purchases, are bowling and maybe tennis. They should have gone with boxing and running or jumping. Wave racing was free to play for months . Climbing is ok, but these games are not $60 compelling . The game should be no more than $40.
People who say the XO has the better games have never played PS4 games (or have never had an HD TV) before.
They abandoned their vision of Kinect being Integral to the operation of the system. That's the way I see it.
Yup they just hit the kinect with a fairly weighty hammer-blow. Obviously if the adoption rate for the device happens to remain high then it'll get support, but at this point I would not expect it. It'll be interesting to see how much they do or don't marginalise the peripheral over the coming months. They do still have several million of the things out in the wild already. I hope XBox Fitness still gets good support.
Ahh the hypocrisy, it just never ends XD
X1 can still be considered as future proof even without kinect..
I thought it was the Future, even with Kinect, Color me Confused. -ahhh, now I get, It was just being Beta Tested.
Hmm, it is not abandoned. They have given Gamers an option, that is all. I love the Kinect. I find it useful, maybe not 100$ more useful, but I wouldn't unplug it now, unless there is a performance boost. I still think the launching in China and other counties are the main motives to dropping the mandatory Kinect. Space limitations and added cost are huge negatives in some of these places. Japan is a perfect example.
I think the kinect removal announcement is one of MS's usual calculated preemptive moves against tomorrows NPD news.
People have to stop crying ... Microsoft did not kill Kinectic, they are simply "making it proves its value" ... Kinect will be in stores, you can buy it or ignore it. If Kinectic can sell well now that he is not "forced" to consumers it will survive, but if he is not able to stand in his own legs ... maybe Kinectic was not a good idea ...
Did someone put bleach in the water? The Kinect isn't dead. As for the writer, good luck finding a real line of occupation.
Maybe not dead, but it just became as redundant at the first Kinect. It was supposed to be an integral part of the XB1 and now all of a sudden it's not. They offer a Kinectless XB1 before they've even proved why anyone should bother WITH the Kinect lol.
Some people have this amazing motion controlled experience in their heads because we all saw Minority Report, and thought that looked cool. The problem is no one has made an experience that truly wows us in all the year Kinect has been with us. In fact for the last half of last gen all it seemed to do was dull MS's focus on the hardcore and divert resource to better create shovelware no one really likes. But... Theres nothing stopping MS, or any other dev from creating that must have game. DO IT. PLEASE. I will go and buy a Kinect tomorrow if there was just something that couldnt be ignored. That you just had to have. Prove to me its not just for casual games and navigating menus and then people will start to rethink it. I dont think it will happen now, because MS themselves seem to be admitting its a failure, but that doesnt mean it CANT happen. And people will likely lighten up on it and not hate it so much now they have a choice and will only own it if they choose to.
"Theres nothing stopping MS, or any other dev from creating that must have game. DO IT." It hasn't really been long enough for MS to make something worthwhile for Kinect 2. The first kinect most people agree was just a cheap cash in that Microsoft weren't really serious about, so it was designed to fail from the beginning. However it's clear MS is pretty serious about Kinect 2.0, so much so that it's taken this long for them to finally give into the public outcry of not wanting it. I don't have an Xbox one personally, I own a ps4 and a Wii U, but I was a little bit disappointed to hear they dropped Kinect 2 from the bundles. It was the one thing that separated MS from the competition, the one thing that made the Xbone Unique, Sony has it's core focus on the gamer, Nintendo has their gamepad and Microsoft had their camera (if you were to pick just the biggest things about each console anyways). The problem with making a camera as an optional accessory, is that devs are just going to assume that the percentage of xbox owners who actually have kinect is much less than those who do, and they're not going to even TRY and make something worthwhile for Kinect, so now, when you say "prove to me that it's worth it", developers are just going to say, "why should we waste resources on something nobody has and limit the sales of our game?". Microsoft may not be creative enough to come up with something clever for the kinect, but there were probably a few people out there who could, but unfortunately, now they're not going to bother, since nobody will have it, and it won't be worth the time and money to try. Just look at playstation move. An "optional accessory", now completely dead, not even used by Sony themselves (aside from that ONE game or tech demo or w/e they showed off at a past e3). And considering people went apesh** over the wii's "revolutionary" wii mote, you'd think Playstation move would at least do 'okay', but it didn't, it failed. As will Kinect 2.0, and it won't fail based on it's own merits or lack-thereof, it will fail because it's an expensive separate accessory, and people don't seem to like to buy those. I personally would have liked to see MS go 2 or 3 years with it bundled in every system, just so we could truly and fairly see whether it was a good idea and a decent piece of technology, or not. It would have been interesting. Now it's just going to be a bigger, less powerful ps4 with some tv features.
Geez, Microsoft can't win with this at all. It just comes down to which side crying about Kinect is larger, and the side that doesn't want it is MUCH LARGER than the ones that do want it. I think Kinect sports (whatever the hell its called) was the ultimate test. Put marketing behind it, and see how it sells. Verdict was, dump Kinect.
No. Titan Fall is the ultimate test! It show that even a killer game can't move extra XBone unit. This once & for all prove that it is the price that's all the matter now.
This is what happens when corporations listen to all aspects of their fan base and of course the ones who don't ever plan on buying one.... You can't win. The internet is hypocrisy run amok on narcissism town. The back and forth from fans is driving me batty. Xbox: We have a console! Fans/fanboys: DRM DRM! Boo hissssss Xbox: we removed the DRM! Fans/fanboys: why did you do that. Kinect sucks unbundle! XBOX: we listened, here is a bundle without kinect. Fans/fanboys: yay! What's the point of it now. Jeeesshhhnh.
I laughed way harder than I should have. Lmao, thanks for that. I believe MS kinda deserves it after telling lies about how DRM was good for gaming. It took years for Sony to win back gamers trust. We shouldn't go easy on MS either. I think they should eat humble pie for the majority of this gen. The benefit of that, a better next gen console from MS.
Haha. It had to be said. I am enjoying both. Honestly I am, just insane oonline and sometimes you just got to sit back and laugh at it all. I can tell you one thing I am not missing one exclusive this gen.
If you really think MS listens to their fans, you're delusional. They listen to sales and pre orders. People have long voiced their opposition to drm, 24 hour check ins, paywalls, kinect, and the multimedia focus, but that didn't stop them. Every time they had strong public push back, they told us to #dealwith it. It wasn't until PS4 preorders were 5 to 1 did they reverse all of their "irreversible" policies. People have opposed forced kinect for months, yet MS exces said, and I quote, "kinect will never be unbundled". They did this recent policy reversal, yet again, in response to poor numbers in relation to their competition. The PS4 is doubling the sales of x1, with a near 4 million console lead. You really think MS one is doing this for the fans? Guess again
I think its pretty obvious neither of these corporations give two turds about us. Its all money to either of them. Some corporations are just better at making them seem like they are your pal. If you think differently than you might be "delusional" I was just pointing out something in a light hearted attempt at bridging the gap between both dead cold corporately owned hearts of fanboys. Let's have a laugh on them eh? Or not...
That's the problem they are thinking with dollar signs and taking the easy way out as opposed to improving or making their products stand out. Failed to prove why kinect was the future, fail to show why cloud computing technology is the future. ........
Its not dead... why do gamers blow everything out of proportion? Now its an option that will have to prove its worth
Kinect is not dead dumbass by the mass. They are giving the cry babies what they want. These articles are showing up as if MS is completely removing the premium experience. They are saying, hey you want just the core experience here you have it. People that I've spoke to that I can confirm has an XO says this is sad & shrugs and makes comments like ... the kinect work better than I thought and worst than I expected. 80% of the time that it work it's cool. 80% more value to the system. As long as they improving the system I could care less.
Not sure how Kinect was "the future", I mean seriously it's a voice command and gesture/motion capturing device, what about that is futuristic? If anything that technology has been done to death on consoles.
Here's my opinion...nothing is doomed lol its a separate sku for the crybabies who don't want Kinect. It kinda piss's me off to, not because I was an early adopter, because its the fact of it all, and any1 of my friends or any1 for that matter that cryed about kinect and will buy the new sku and be happy, good:) but the minute one of them try to even speak to a Kinect or try a gesture they need punched or slapped in the face for even going there! Lol its because "Hypocrites" like that we as gamers deal with this BS...dont have money for one, here's a clue...its called "save"
that shit is crazy. THe only value in a kinect I see now is the novelty of it. It would wear off soon for me as id rather barely move my thumb then wave my arms. Voice commands seem useful while gaming but I have no idea why you need the kinect for that, could just use the mic that most people have for online gaming. However id buy a kinect maybe if they made the game I want. Im honestly surprised they havent made it yet. Or at least a light gun for kinect. I imagine a game like time crysis where you can duck by pressing a button, or set up furniture(or a cool fort) to hide behind and duck behind while fighting. I hope some smart person at sony or MS read this and make the gun controller that I want. Split a xbox or PS pad down the center and make the right side the trigger part of the gun, and the left side a grip on the front. Include sticks, buttons,and all. It would work perfectly, and it could be used for the VR. VR will be awesome for FPS. I did some test for a simulation VR that was going to be used to train the army. THe training game was horrible with 1995 3d visuals and super aimbot enemies. But the VR tech was awesome. Look around with your head and aim the gun anywhere with the plastic m16 in your hands. To aim down the sights you hold it up to your face and look down the sights of the 3d gun. you could look one way and shoot the other. Or even shoot yourself If you want. Im more likely to buy an xbox 1 without the kinnect, but I would buy whoever's vr(sony or ms) has the cooler plastic gun and best FPS games(hopefully all FPS use it as an option in the future(Fallout 4 VR= SHIT MY PANTS).
Geez, isn't it supposed to be a game console from the get?
Wonder if the illumini room still in production. Personally Kinect was utterly useless
Ps4 is "just a games console". How's that going l, by the way?
Turns out there wasn't a large market for "the future".
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