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Submitted by Septic 80d ago | opinion piece

Xbox One drops Kinect- What an absolute joke

The mandatory addition of the Kinect camera has been a contentious point among the core gaming community, who have criticised Microsoft for essentially ‘forcing’ the camera upon those who didn’t want it. So surely then, this latest announcement is a positive thing? (Kinect, Xbox One)

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CapraDemon  +   80d ago | Well said
MS dropping kinect is a victory for Gamers
Codewow  +   80d ago | Intelligent
And a loss for the future of the technology.

@cgoodno,Foxhound922 every piece of new technology needs to go through a development process. And Microsoft was the one to kickstart it's interest. It might not be perfectly capable for gaming yet, but PC modders have done some pretty awesome things with it.

@Webbyy, I'm all for options, but I think it was too soon.

@Eonjay, A surprisingly advanced camera. It can do more than an average webcam and still costs less than some 'okay' webcams.
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cgoodno  +   80d ago
If the technology can't stand on its own after three years, what future does it really have?
Webbyy  +   80d ago
I don't see it that way.

Remember alot of people did not or do not want Kinect.

is it so bad to give people options?
Foxhound922  +   80d ago
You mean the future of gimmicky dance and sports games right?
Eonjay  +   80d ago
Its a camera. A camera.
The only thing saving a camera is VR.
darthv72  +   80d ago
Its not a loss for the future of the technology because the technology still exists. They are just creating a new sku, they arent phasing it out completely.

So there will still be games that will take advantage of it for those who have one. just as there will be games made specifically that require one.

Choice is a good thing. the questionable part is matching the $399 price point with the PS4. Personally i think $350 is a better point but $399 is much better than $499.

now how much is the kinect by itself????
4Sh0w  +   80d ago
I agree, love my X1 WITH KINECT, wouldn't trade it for anything but Microsoft is an absolute JOKE.

I hope every single headline today bashes the sh*t out of them. I know it won't happen but I hope sales fall lower and they are forced to re-Kinect.

Greedy Idiots.
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truefan1  +   80d ago
"This tweet pretty much tells how it is:"
Matt Helgeson ‏@MattHelgeson 21 Min.

people rip on Nintendo for refusing to face reality and change course and rip on Microsoft for correcting their mistakes.

It's always a lose-lose with gaming fans.
Thomaticus  +   80d ago
I agree with you, because if Kinect doesn't come with the system not that many people will buy it. It won't have a guaranteed user base and thus developers may not develop games for it. I doubt they'll bother to include a lot of kinect features unless MS pays for it. The truth is, most gamers don't want Kinect which is why the first post here is "MS dropping kinect is a Victory for gamers." It's right, make the system cheaper and IF they want a kinect they'll buy it. The market will ultimately choose what happens with Kinect.
Eonjay  +   80d ago
@4Show

Please help me to understand your position on this. You do realize that this is going to help Xbox right? Or is it something practical; such as you having an easier time navigating with the camera?

@truefan1

I guess some people actually wanted the camera, but I think they are forgetting that it will probably still be available. Just sold separately... speaking of which, I guess we have to wait for a standalone Kinect SKU. This is great because people who want the camera wont stop people who don't want it from buying the system.

Thats a win-win.
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BG11579  +   80d ago
OK, I just found out that they are selling the Kinectless Bone at 399$... Now I can agree with the title of this story. Why, because the Kinect costed, and many Xbox's fans will agree with this, 150$.
So mainly : 500$-150$=350$

Yet they put it to sale at 400$. MS is still very greedy. They could have done better.
Codey47  +   80d ago
It may happen to be a win for gamers.
But it's also a bad thing for Kinect V2... the support for it will drop.

The money wasted on R&D and actually producing the unit should of gone to securing more chips from AMD and actually giving the Xbone a dGPU.

KinectV2 was never going to win the war.......

If I ask which would you rather have Kinect V2 or a secondary GPU.

What would the answer be?

The dGPU would win that war.
4Sh0w  +   80d ago
Eonjay this helps the X1 how?

Sales?

I don't make sh*t off of X1 selling 5mil or 7mil. I'm a gamer and if you are looking at this from a gamers perspective this will UNDENIABLY hurt the X1's potential VARIETY in games, I'll explain.

Even if you hate Kinect then again from a gaming perspective you could still play and enjoy all the X1 non Kinect games, but those who do want to see future devs expand on games like Swery's D4 still could, unaffected by your personal preference. Of course this is still possible and Kinect is still in play but you and I both know NOW its going to be more of an afterthought for dev's rather than at least a minimum consideration at the begin of the dev process depending on the game type. As a gamer lets say even if I think VR isn't going to produce anything I want to play why in the hell would I not want creative people to keep pushing it and those who enjoy the tech to experience new forms of interaction?

Even if you could NOT afford X1 with Kinect, that in an of itself is NOT a reason that X1 shouldn't come standard with Kinect, no different than saying a BMW or a particular cell phone is too expensive because of all its bells and whistles/features. That doesn't make them any less, just means right now you are not financially in the market for them.
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Ju  +   80d ago
Ha ha ha. LOL. Now, I wonder if this could even backfire. Before they at least could convince customers with a reason why the box was more expensive, but now it's actually harder to sell the lesser HW for the same price. We'll see. But, yeah, entry is easier, I guess.
Sevir  +   80d ago
I have to give MS props, this is something of a huge boon for their fans, and shows that Phil Spencer is in touch with gamers... And this shows how out of with the consumer their original products were! To take a hit like this shows they want to compete!

I didn't expect such an aggressive move till the fall, it really is gonna be about games and not just price! And it seems that Kinect isn't as integral to XBONE as they thought.

Good for you gamers. We''ll see what this does once this gets into the market.
Eonjay  +   80d ago
@4Sh0w

On its face though, you have to agree that its always better to have choices right? After all, there are people who bought the system but don't like or use Kinect at all. They found other reasons to be attracted to the system. There are plenty more. YOU see potential in Kinect, but alot of people could care less. Xbox is a mid range gaming platform, not a BMW.

I think you are being selfish about your feelings for Kinect and no offense. You are disregarding what others have said they wanted; what Microsoft reacted to. Selling more consoles will ensure better and more frequent games for all of us. This is a win for you too.
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bleedsoe9mm  +   80d ago
both vr or ar solutions will probably use cameras , so neither the eye or kinect are dead just on hold
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RAWSTA  +   80d ago
You guys cry for everything trolls! xbox will be here to stay.
4Sh0w  +   80d ago
Eonjay its not selfish, its about having a DIFFERENT PLATFORM.

I mean I pray next gen that consoles ARE drastically different than what we have today, its already and small market in terms of key competitors there's only 3 so why does everyone want them to follow the SAME path, in other industries many of the best ideas are born out of totally different approach to making your own product. Seriously if micro's original vision of the X1 was unwanted then the market would dictate and next gen with all micro's cash they could comeback with lesson's learned and we'd all be better off for it but this is ego-knee-jerk reaction since sales were fine and damm we're barely 6 months in.

I'm selfish for wanting to see interaction grow beyond a controller but the folks that have 2 out of 3 other main options with controllers and really X1 is always still going to be about the controller, but you're trying to tell me these folks are not selfish for wanting the only potentially different approach at the very least limited so they can play too?

hmmmm, I see this "choice" option from you and Microsoft as BS statement, for those who don't like it or can't afford it there's still other choices out there, hell even if you can't afford it now as always prices will go down but nah, gimp it now so I can play right now and in todays typical blame everyone else society just throw salt on all the folks who are enjoying it because its their fault they can't afford it and the BS on microsofts part is they have lost belief in the entire vision since the platform was introduced.

lol, Dammm how I wish I could combine micro's vision with sony's commitment to what they believe in. Micro better keep bringing the strong games lineup because imo that's the ONLY thing they have now, at least that's the most important thing.
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silenius  +   80d ago
That is truly excellent news for the gamers!

People seem to fail to understand that IF you haven't bought a Xbox One by now it doesn't mean you will not buy it EVER !!!

I personally LOVE videogames just like everyone else in here... BUT! I'm not as privileged as some other people to just go in a store and throw my monthly salary to buy games or consoles.

SO, dropping some stuff out of the XBO now(Kinect-DRM-PRICE-DROP) means that in 1-2 years from now we will have a £299!
Now that is a price where I would be happy with.
(let alone a smaller factor and not a VCR)

And to all those who say that xbox one is kinect and that "the dream" and the "focus" is lost.
shut up and get your self together.
More sales of a console means MORE SUPPORT FROM DEVELOPERS! SO if you want to keep playing on your platform of choice YOU NEED to sell consoles SO THAT YOU LURE DEVELOPERS.
unless you want Xbox one to be the new Wii U.
jmc8888  +   80d ago
Motion games have been around since 2006...actually even earlier. But home console wise, 2006, and it wasn't Microsoft. (yeah I'll skip over the various NES incarnations, powerglove, pad, Uforce controller etc.)

Most of what Kinect is used for, can be duplicated with a microphone. Gamewise and UI wise. Of course this was even achieved in a PC game in the 1980's.

Kinect came out in 2010, people were working on software years earlier, we are now in 2014, where companies are working on games releasing in 2016-2017. So in this wide range of times, why can a device that has been utilized since 2008-2009 can't showcase anything worthwhile that will be out in 2017?

Why hasn't Nintendo been able to recapture the Wii Sports phenomenon?

Last I checked, we have Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony....so we had the big 3 involved with motion gaming and NONE OF THEM could make it work or be worthwhile. NONE OF THEM.

It's closer to too late to drop Kinect, not too soon. They should have given the option from the start, that they didn't, is one of the reasons they are so far behind in sales. They gave their competitor with a more powerful console a $100 price advantage, and none of the negative feelings of forcing something on the customer they don't want.

The camera can 'do more', but how is that applied? Why should anyone have EVER been forced to buy it? Why is it not ok that people see a justified reason for it before they DECIDE to purchase it?

Do people really believe that if everyone was forced to use Kinect, that somehow everyone would change their tune about motion gaming? That somehow then motion gaming would become viable? No way in hell.

The whole 'install base' crap is nothing more than a crutch. It's SOPHISTRY. We saw quite a bit of implementation on OG Kinect, the reason which it didn't catch on is what people can't comprehend is....most people didn't use it, and don't want it. They tried it, and didn't like it.
jmc8888  +   80d ago
Fake forcing everyone to have it, doesn't make it a more viable gaming method. You seem to think that by forcing it on people, somehow motion gaming will succeed. It niche, and won't ever be any more than that. People HAVE tried motion gaming, and went back to SUPERIOR controllers. Because they are superior.

You won't see a game that can be done on controllers be perfectly replicated by motion controls. Motion controls are laggy, even if Kinect 3 has 0ms lag...the act of moving ones arms and legs around...even if perfectly registered with 0 lag EVERYTIME, will pale in comparison to a controller based game. Blame the universe, because it's the nature of space-time who created the situation. Can't get around that.

Motion games assume everyone is healthy and energetic enough to wave their arms and legs around. Many people aren't or don't want that. They just got off of work, or even a football player after practice. You think they want to move around more after running 5 miles in practice? Most people want to sit down while gaming, not stand up. It goes against everything people are used to while gaming. Some people want to sit on butt for 12 straight hours and play a game. Which then also affect game designs, which then tend to be little 5 minute this or that because how can you design a deep, say Skyrim or an online multiplayer CoD/Battlefield game around motion controls?

It's niche, and that's an expensive niche to force on customers. It's simply common sense. Look at the PS4, it gave people the option and the PS4 camera seemed to be less in stock then the actual console. There's a market for it, but it's niche. I can actually see it becoming more adopted, but it has to do so naturally, with legitimate software, and it simply will never overtake controller based gameplay.
Onenyte  +   80d ago
I completely agree

As I have said, I own a ps4 and a pc but I have a lot of respect for the Xbox community because I wouldn't be able to put up with this.

People on day one had the impression that the console pretty much needed the camera to get a full experience.
Dmarc  +   80d ago
@Codewow
There you have it.Pro choice= no future tech/s

give me a break.

@truefan1
Well they set themselves up for this.I hate to say they "shouldn't have done it in the first place", because they can't see the future, and people make mistakes, but when people have been against it from day 1, its a fair assessment.No doubt they deserve some kudos for fixing an "mistake", but just like with the DRM crap, their intentions weren't "for the consumers", and this proves that.Because if their intentions were positive, they would have dropped kinect as mandatory along with the DRM. So there will always be a backlash ( from me at least) until they come out and man up to their BS.
cgoodno  +   79d ago
@Codewow: Everything you mention is outside the realm of gaming.

I completely agree that MS messed up by leaving Kinect only on the Xbox brand. They really should have made it more. Put it in a car for voice and quick motion controls. Put it in monitors for built-in voice and motion controls. Put it in TVs.

But, Microsoft didn't do that. They made it a set piece of the Xbox gaming console brand.

The problem? It doesn't improve gaming and it only makes the gaming device look less desirable for those who don't want the tech.

Any missteps here on the technology are completely at the feet of Microsoft. They mismanaged this technology and it never should have been a core element of the gaming device if the people didn't want it with the gaming device.
Palitera  +   80d ago
Yeah, but haters gonna hate. I feel sorry for them.
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Baccra17  +   80d ago
Got that right. I now have a reason to save up for a bone now. And to those that think you're missing out on stuff, you can always buy kinect separately. That and it doesn;t matter how "innovative" kinect is if no one wants to bother using it. I for one will never use it, so no loss there.
ps360s  +   80d ago
I have no problem with them losing kinect ect (meaning more people can buy the Xboxone)
but the MAIN problem is didn't MS state that Kinect is NEEDED? isn't that what HARDCORE Xbox fans agreed on to?

To that I have made up my mind and only own a Ps4 (wiiU) not like last gen where I own all consoles!
MysticStrummer  +   80d ago
It's a joke because of all the "integral" talk that went on for a year, but for those who were waiting for a disKinect to buy an XB1 it's certainly great news.
Mr-Dude  +   80d ago
Indeed
jmac53  +   80d ago
I'm glad they did drop it but for MS this has to be a monumental embarrassment with all the talk and reeks of desperation.
Studio-YaMi  +   80d ago
I am actually gonna buy one now,was waiting for a diskinect XboxOne! :D

Great news!
Edsword  +   80d ago
The part that makes it bad is that the xb1 was designed with kinect in mind. Now you buy a console that was gimped to add esram for kinect. Not to mention the second blow to their current install base.
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MysticStrummer  +   80d ago
Yeah and the interface probably needs a fairly major redesign as well, since Kinect is/was a big part of navigating it.
Ju  +   80d ago
You don't need Kinect to navigate this thing...if you can find anything is a different story, though.
MightyNoX  +   80d ago
Im guessing MS got outsold by Wii U this NPD?
Blaze929  +   80d ago
"MS dropping kinect is a victory for Gamers"

i dont see how. it just shows gamers cant advance. Literally ANY chance of Kinect meaning ANYTHING this generation for gaming, has instantly been killed now. Ain't no turning around
nohopeinc  +   80d ago
Yes, how will we advance without dancing games... All MS did was leave the Kinnect up to the user now. It would have been that way since release.
nategrigs  +   80d ago
Its a victory for gamers because many of us didn't want it.

Kinect has been around for 4 years. If it was going to do anything for gaming it would have done it already
xpressyoself  +   80d ago
@nate

Stop comparing kinect v1 and kinect v2. Two completely different animals
Drekken  +   80d ago
I feel bad for all early adapters. They got a slap with free Titanfall and price drop... now this. On the bright side, there are no more unique Xbox policies for them to reverse at this point.
Patrick_pk44  +   80d ago
The Kinect forms the Xbone. It is the crucial core of selling the system and has been marketed from the start. Though removing it drops the price, it shows that Microsoft is out of touch from a business stand point and from its consumer from the start.
aerisbueller  +   80d ago
Not only that, but it's yet another lie they were caught in. Countless times they said it was basically impossible. Of course, no XBox One fans will have any problem having been lied to so directly.

Aside from that, I think Kinect2 had some amazing potential, and they didn't make one unique thing with it. If Nintendo or Media Molecule made a game meant to take best advantage of Kinect2, it would have been something amazing. It was the one last chance of XBox One doing something gamingwise that PS4 couldn't, but they never understood gaming enough to bother to request or even allow for creativity from their studios. Just shovel something out there so we can say there are Kinect games, like telling Rare to make Kinect Sports.
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XiSasukeUchiha  +   80d ago
@Capra
A victory, thanks to this Uchiha and his swag!
Mr1Y  +   80d ago
@caprademon

And a very big loss for them now lol http://tinyurl.com/ofsracw
styferion  +   80d ago
only if the sales catch up to PS4..
dropping Gold's requirement for apps, kinectless bundle, it's evident that Xbox in a difficult position and if after all this it's still not making any profits there's no telling what the investors will make Xbox division do.
If they decided to cut it off MS it's no longer victory for gamers.
XxExacutionerxX  +   80d ago
Giving gamers a choice is great, and it will sell more Xbox Ones. People can buy the kinect later on.
darkride66  +   80d ago
I have to admit, I see where he's coming from. With all the "Xbox is Kinect" hype it must have been a very hard decision to remove this feature, and now developers are left with the question as to the Kinect install base when deciding if they'll support the device or not. It sucks when business decisions trump design.

But on the flip side, this is a consumer product that you want people to buy, and as such Microsoft needs to listen to the consumer. They've so far been sending a rather clear message when it comes to the $500, Xbox One/Kinect bundle. Really, the choice was they could un-bundle or they could let the Xbox One languish compared to the competition, and what choice is that?

Microsoft again gets a tip of the hat from me for remaining flexible where the XBox One is concerned. But like their initial DRM decisions, it's surprising that they so badly misread the consumer response in the first place.
VforVideogames  +   80d ago
True, 80% of ps4 owners said they will buy a XBOXONE when Microsoft drops the Kinect so here's your chance to join the dark side.
Fishermenofwar  +   80d ago
umm what???!!!???? 0_o
raWfodog  +   80d ago
Where, o where, did you hear that from??
gano  +   80d ago
This is not good for gamers.
They wasn't good when they lied at e3 on mutiple occasions.
They weren't good when hdmi and bluray wasn't needed.
They weren't good when they lied on 360 probs.
And for many more reasons i could namebut would take up time,
this is not a game company and should be considered a joke truly
in the game world.

How is this good for gamers when real gamers seen, heard, and know
that they don't give a damn, and never will.

If all games look the same on both systems, why the fuc do i want both.
mcarsehat  +   80d ago
just watch when those "gamers" complain about losing the Kinect, after complaining about having it in the first place. soon "gamers" will make complaints about their own complaints!!!!
MasterCornholio  +   80d ago
Stop complaining about the complainers already when your one yourself!!!!!
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mcarsehat  +   80d ago
kiss the teepee in my bunghole!
XGamer  +   80d ago
They didnt drop kinect. Read on fanboys. Choices now.
greenlantern2814  +   79d ago
Like it always should have been.
avengers1978  +   80d ago
I think they should have just dropped the price to 400$... Though I never really saw the importance of kinect, other than navigating the UI.

This really just speaks volumes to the fact that Phil should have been made head of Xbox along time ago, this, removing apps from behind the gold sub, changing games with gold and bringing it to XB1... Phil gets it, and I think they'd be around 7-8 million now, in a virtual tie with PS4 in sales.
supercpu  +   79d ago
All these negative articles
Yet kinect is going nowhere .
That's the truth .... now its a choice that's all. It's going to be sold as as add on later . What has this site turned into ? Why can't people be happy with what they have .
NYC_Gamer  +   80d ago
It might have been too much bleeding for MS to drop the price of the console and keep Kinect in the box..
Kayant  +   80d ago
I think it's investors eyeing the Xbox division was the more deciding factor. But yh the way they have handled XB1 so far points to what you said they don't want big losses. DD non special edition TF bundle instead of the one Respawn got, and all the DD bundles apart from being easier to manufacture and cheaper it also nets them more savings since it's a DD license.
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Charybdis  +   80d ago
without kinect bundel investors are sure to be happy to make more money by selling kinect separate instead of including in the x1.
OrangePowerz  +   80d ago
Curious to find out for how much they will sell Kinect as a stand alone, if it's above 100 it's taking the piss.
Mikelarry  +   80d ago
lol an absolute joke come on now, kinect was not doing them any favours and allowing the competition to trounce them in sales they are in the business to make money why wouldn't they do away with kinect if it will get gamers to buy their console. some seem to forget that its a business to make money rather than seat idle on the backlogs of xbox so as not to appear as a joke to a minority
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   80d ago
Microsoft just needs to get out of the gaming business.
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Applejack  +   80d ago
They don't no need to get out, they just need to change some of their practices. Dropping the parity clause should be their next step. I've been seeing nothing but good news coming out of MS this week and I hope this momentum continues.
OpieWinston  +   80d ago
Said no one ever...
Convas  +   80d ago
Well, I mean, this guy is saying it LOL
MysticStrummer  +   80d ago
You may disagree with the idea, but people do say it and mean it. The obvious answer is "Yeah but that's just trolls" but I don't think that's true. Many just don't like MS as a company, and I'm one of them. I've actively avoided giving MS money as much as possible since before they ever got into the console business.
xJumpManx  +   80d ago
@MysticStrummer, and many gamers do not like Sony as well.
Patrick_pk44  +   80d ago
Please think before you post.
OpieWinston  +   80d ago
No one in their right mind wants Microsoft out of "The gaming business"

Then we'd lose a ton of quality games from Xbox.

We'd lose DirectX.

We'd never have Age of Empires/Age of Mythology...

Etc...

Microsoft has been a big part of the gaming business for both PC and Xbox for quite a while now. Saying they should get out is absurd.
Pillsbury1  +   80d ago
@mysticstrummer well said, avoid them at all cost.
04soldier  +   80d ago
We'd lose, all of us; gamers... Sony and MS competing is good for gamers. Without Xbox live the Ps3 would still have a terrible UI and online party chat.

Without Playstation Plus, Xbox would still be giving away 10 year old bargain bin games (or not) to its users and pretending like they're doing them a favor.

Im a Sony Fan, but even I don't wish MS would just leave the Gaming business completely..
raWfodog  +   80d ago
But...people have said it. Not saying that they were right but it has been said by quite a few.
Elit3Nick  +   80d ago
And what happens afterwards? Sony gets free reign of the market and forces all they want on their consumers, don't act like they wouldn't do that, it's standard business, if the competition is gone, then people have no choice but to accept any restrictions.
ThanatosDMC  +   80d ago
PS2 era didnt do that. MS on the other hand has been trying to choke gamers for $$$$ nonstop.
LoveOfTheGame  +   80d ago
@Thanatos
That's when they gained their "free reign" and the PS3 was the result.

Not everyone wants to work 2 jobs for a console lol.
Fireseed  +   80d ago
@Thanatos

No, the PS2 era got them cocky... and then the PS3 happened.
gano  +   80d ago
I like when people use get 2job bid.
Hell you do that for anything you want including kids.
The truth is one had value for its time, while the other one didn't.
Matter of fact what disc format does xbone use, lol.
Yea sure they brought alot to the game world to keep them around.
Illusive_Man  +   80d ago
I prefer the console business maintains a Non-Japanese entity that caters to my tastes.
MasterCornholio  +   80d ago
Wow thats racist.

You really should stop posting offensive comments like that.

I think its pathetic that you hate Sony and Nintendo just because they are Japanese.
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LOL_WUT  +   80d ago
It's not a joke it's a great move one that could possibly push Microsoft into second place or further better late than never ;)
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Baccra17  +   80d ago
Ha ha, I see what you did there.
Eonjay  +   80d ago
Look, I know some people really liked Kinect and I respect that.
incendy35  +   80d ago
I think it is the right move. Make it a choice. I think most smart consumers will buy the version with Kinect since it offers so much to the experience but let them decide that on their own.
Aceman18  +   80d ago
I don't nor ever wanted any part of kinect, now I might definitely consider buying the system providing they give it a new smaller, slicker look.

I've no space on my TV stand for the system with my FiOS stuff taking up one shelf, and my PS3, PS4, and Wii U taking up the whole bottom shelf.
incendy35  +   80d ago
After a month of using it, you would change you mind. The integration with Xbox One is... for the lack of a better word "magical".
HaydenJameSmith  +   80d ago
don't expect a redesign anytime soon mate...
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Aceman18  +   80d ago
My brother has an X1 and voice commands were pretty much hit/miss. Personally I'm not that lazy to use the source button on my cable remote Lol.

My brother even disconnected his X1 from the cable so his cable would run better. I wouldn't even bother connecting them either when I do decide to purchase the system.
Chrono  +   80d ago
What exactly do you want them to do?
NoWayOut  +   80d ago
LOL damn MS can't get a break. The hate for them is strong. Do something bad hate them. Do something good hate them.
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Pillsbury1  +   80d ago
It's because they keep making the wrong decisions trying to force consumers hands. They tried to FORCE. DRM and they tried to force a worthless kinect.

This hate from gamers is not unfounded.
LightSamus  +   80d ago
Yeah, how dare they make their console more appealing to those that don't want Kinect... /s
nope111  +   80d ago
Whoa, gone for an hour and microsoft drops a megaton. Still not buying your faulty console though.
Godz Kastro  +   80d ago
Faulty? Please explain...
Vystrel  +   80d ago
It's not as powerful as the PS4 and yet costs the same now. The subscription costs more and gives less. No internal hard drive swapping(without voiding warranty).

I guess you can play offline and play used games, if that is even considered a feature.
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04soldier  +   80d ago
if it was the 360, I'd use the word faulty too.. But both Xbox one and PS4 have both have acceptable failure rates.

If you said underpowered then thats up for debate with comparisons. In which the ps4 is the clear winner at the moment
KonsoruMasuta  +   80d ago
So the author doesn't like choice?
FlyGuyHung  +   80d ago
Damned if you do, damned if you dont. Stupid article.

Nothing negative about MS actually listening and giving options.
Vystrel  +   80d ago
Lol "listening "
Probably listening to lack of cash rolling in.
CrowbaitBob  +   80d ago
If you actually expect benevolence from any publically traded company you're bound to be disappointed.

Sales figures are the only language they will ever truly understand.

Fanboy rants on the internet don't really factor into any major corporation's planning. Sadly, neither does common sense a lot of times.
Drekken  +   80d ago
They have no vision. They have no voice. Its the "me too" generation for MS. The same thing you guys criticized Sony for last Gen.

MS is lost and scrambling to play catch up. Their two strongest regions are now Sony's. All their unique policies were disastrous and revoked. It is just embarrassing. Sure they are making good moves by the gamer NOW, but I don't trust them at all. Never have, never will. This has been a huge slap in the face to all of their loyal fans that already own the Xbone.
mmj  +   80d ago
Anyone who didn't see this coming has either not been paying attention or is blinded by fanboyism, it was inevitable.
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DJustinUNCHAIND  +   80d ago
If I hadn't bought one already, I would still buy one with the Kinect.
nifonge  +   80d ago
"Xbox One now is nothing like what it was planned to be from the start." And neither was the PS3 when first revealed... and it turned out to be just fine.
Baszs  +   80d ago
Well think of the BIGGEST SURPRISE that everybody seems to neglet or forget.

RARE WILL MAKE NORMAL GAMES AGAIN>>>>>>& gt;> :)
supraking518   80d ago | Spam
Gunstar75  +   80d ago
I was a Day One adopter and this news doesn't bother me one bit. They aren't scrapping kinect, it is now an option.

I use mine for voice commands and Skype and that won't change.

Microsoft are just delivering what some consumers demanded. Sony removed their camera before release, MS are doing it now.
killzone619  +   80d ago
this may not hurt you, but many people who own a xbox one dont care for kinect.
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Jrmy84  +   80d ago
I've owned a kinect for Xbox 360 when it first came out. I never use it, neither do my children they like the Wii. Just collecting dust under my flat screen. I can see why a lot of people don't like it.
bandit905  +   80d ago
i like my kinect, i dont use it for gaming but when im to lazy to look for my tv remote all i say "xbox watch a&e" and keeps me comfy on the couch
gameon1985  +   80d ago
I guess we can safely assume there will be very few kinect games at E3.
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SpiralTear  +   80d ago
This announcement will hype people up for Microsoft's E3 showing more, since they won't be going into the conference thinking "I'd love to play those games, but that Xbox One is $500!"
DynDasE  +   80d ago
What's next ?
Dropping the power of the cloud ?
cfc78  +   80d ago
Absolute waste of money as well for people who wanted an xb1 but didn't want kinect,microsoft do us a favour and buy this stinking piece of crud back,but it's good news for those who waited its whether they can forgive and forget.
Talidan  +   80d ago
This was going to happen regardless, but they really should have done it sooner. The masses have already sided with PS4.

Almost every time I go to Gamestop, people are trashing the Xbox One. Some people talking about how they sold theirs after being so disappointed with it.

Personally, I love the technology of the Kinect, but as a gamer and a developer, I see little use of it as a standard peripheral. There are many applications it could be used for relating to gaming, but not ones that would really appeal to the general public, at least not without some other way to control alongside it. Motion only is too limited.

Microsoft is probably doing the best thing for the life of the system by dropping it, but it might be too little too late.
Clown_Syndr0me  +   80d ago
That sucks so bad. I bet kinect loses all support now, and me and my gf have a great time with it.
air1  +   80d ago
stupid move ms.. you just fucked up big time... shoud have gotten a ps4 cause it looks like they always had a clear vision now..
Clown_Syndr0me  +   80d ago
Id rather support a company that obviously listenins to the fans. All the 180s etc have given us ad gamers exactly what we've asked for. But that's still not good enough? Fanboys will be fanboys!
I support both companies anyway, Im even thinking of adding a Wii u to the collection...
air1  +   79d ago
Fans are not always right... Ms should have kept kinect with the console.

I'm no fanboy I will own all the consoles like I do every gen and I'm not thinking of getting a wiiu, I will own a wiiu..
KNWS  +   80d ago
Microsoft hasn't dropped Kinect, its giving people the option of buying an xb1 without it. Kinect is still there if people want it, and some people will still buy it.

I'm surprised they did this, Microsoft. Must have found out game devs aren't too keen on making games for it. I still prefer to have it, i think its worth the price.
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GameDev1  +   80d ago
The playstation camera is still there also if people want it. Fact is that all Xbox Ones came mandatory with a Kinect, now it has been dropped.

Great decision imo
maniacmayhem  +   80d ago
It is a joke, MS could have dropped the price 50 bux and still included Kinect. Kinect was a great addition and feature for the Xbox One and MS talked up a storm about how it is a very important and much needed device for the Xbox One.

There were articles saying devs were anxious to use it and MS should have shown what could be done with it using their own games as an example. Now Kinect will be regarded as a non-essential peripheral when devs are creating games. It'll always be an option instead of a feature that could have added to a gaming experience.

This is just another added 180 to the long, bad, PR list that MS should have avoided entirely.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   80d ago
"Must have found out game devs aren't too keen on making games for it."

That definitely might have been a factor...but im pretty sure the difference in sales between the two consoles is the main reason this is happening. This is a textbook example of making a product more appealing in an attempt to drive up sales.

A vision that MS has been pushing for almost a year now has been disregarded as soon as the numbers aren't in their favour 6 months after launch. What does that tell you?
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Ginesis  +   80d ago
That it's time to make my PS4 my main system! #another180 #novision feel free to use those lol
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That_Guy2u2  +   80d ago
Now just release a Xbox one slim
tuglu_pati  +   80d ago
white Xbox incoming
MUGEN81  +   80d ago
Ill definitely buy the white xbox one.
HugoDrax  +   80d ago
Which I will buy immediately, and I already own a xb1, ps4, and wii u. I have a white iphone, white vita 1000 as well. I just want my white PS4 and white XB1 and I'll be set :-)
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