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Submitted by Valay 142d ago | news

Pre-orders open for Xbox One without Kinect

Just a few minutes ago, Microsoft announced a new Xbox One model that comes without the Kinect accessory. Retailers are now starting to follow up by opening reservations. (Xbox One)

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headwing45  +   142d ago
What madness is this?
gillri  +   142d ago
you not seen the annoucement?
Anarki  +   141d ago
They should have thought of this at launch, would have been an entirely different story then.
4Sh0w  +   141d ago
I personally think its a bad decision. Kinect definitely makes X1 unique and this fractures the userbase and sends the message they're not committed to Kinect, but oh well I'm happy with mine.
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Webbyy  +   141d ago
No surprise here,

I am happy for all gamers. I really am.

Thank you Phil, For making Xbox one affordable to some and for listening to those that do not want kinect.
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xHeavYx  +   141d ago
I can think of a few people who said tp me "it will never happen"
I think the price should be around $350 though
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DARK WITNESS  +   141d ago
I guess we will have to see how much they are able to catch up... if they can catch up!

If they hadn't been so stubborn out it right from the beginning and listened to what a lot of people were saying, even before it launched, maybe they would not be so far behind the ps4.

I wonder what excuses we will hear from all the MS employed xbox business strategists on this site?
Baka-akaB  +   141d ago
NOt everyone said that , some of us just find the idea distasteful , even when we dont like kinect .

So here we are with a console losing it's main gimmick gadget , and with weaker specs and all around performance than its direct concurrent ?

Unless you are sure you've got a community on XB waiting , or truly want the xb1 exclusives , it's just one less PRO on the list .

More than one actually , dont forget that you can't capture and share feed without it , as it wasnt built to do so without the kinect
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Anarki  +   141d ago
@4sh0w: What makes them unique is losing them sales, the Kinect isn't for everyone and for the minority who likes the Kinect, it's not enough to keep the Xbox One afloat. The XBO has inferior tech to their competition(PS4) with a higher price point. This will put them on par with the PS4 in terms of price.

It will be very interesting to see how things pan out now, XBO sure has some good games to keep them going. I for one will be purchasing an XBOne now due to this.(Main reason for not purchasing XBO was Kinect & being spied upon).
UnHoly_One  +   141d ago
Wow.

I was wrong.

I didn't think they would do it.
tehpees3  +   141d ago
This honestly has to be the fastest relaunch I've seen.
ziggurcat  +   141d ago
@ 4show:

the only thing this does is give people an *option*, which is never a bad decision.

and honestly, there's not much that kinect does that the PS4 camera also can't do, so there's not as much uniqueness to xbone with kinect as you might think.
aaaaqqqqq  +   141d ago
At least MS sold around 5 million Kinect compulsively. Just can't say MS's never built an Kinect base. I believe Kinect is still the game changer, considering more harsh time game developing than the past. Hardcore should cooperate with casual, XB1 will make hardcore gamer play casual games vise versa. That means more profit game developer would get. The benefit is instant and clear, XB1 with Kinect just like a combination of XBOX and Wii.
Baccra17  +   141d ago
Have you not seen Titanfall?
creatchee  +   141d ago | Well said
@xHeavYx

"I can think of a few people who said tp me "it will never happen"
I think the price should be around $350 though"

And I can think of a TON of Sony fanboys whose constantly repeated talking points (required Kinect, price, app paywall, Games With Gold inadequacy, etc.) just got doused in gasoline and burned to the ground this morning. What do you have left to harp on about - a couple of better looking multiplats and the name on the box? Or are you guys just going to say "I told you so" and yell "180" like you always do?
4Sh0w  +   141d ago
Anarki I get that but regardless of your personal tastes Kinect does make X1 unique, its like Android strength is that its a more open OS compared to iOS. There are people on both sides who like and dislike both platforms for exactly the same reason.

With Kinect X1 does some really nice things, should have unique games, without Kinect its a slightly less powerful ps4, not that that matters a whole lot as long as they deliver strong games, sure X1 will sell more but sales were far from in the toilet, in fact they are still ahead of 360 which did quite fine sales wise and as a gamer I never cared about X1 having higher sales, clearly they've got plenty enough for continued strong dev support, 3rd parties are all in on X1, but no this is about micro's ego, so again its a bad decision because it affects the future of Kinect integrated X1 games.

I'm sorry but the crying from those who don't like Kinect should NOT outway Microsofts decision if they truly believed their vision of a Kinect gaming environment, NO that means then unfortunately those who don't like it should just stick to ps4 because the console isn't focused on YOUR WANTS. That's life, and now micro shows their true GREED here putting higher sales $$$$ over vision. Its a sad day, but just like I said that's life.

This reminds me exactly of the always online/DRM fiasco= to this day Iam 100% convinced X1's real potential was gimped do to catering to the masses rather than following a vision that would sell less but be looked at 10yrs from now as a great achievement for setting the bar of things to come, hell I'm 110% convinced we'd see even better games than we already have on X1 and sales may be a bit higher because instead of folks hearing about 1080p this or that might be hearing about more uniquely created game worlds, Driveatar like AI games, that went beyond what Turn 10 did. Trust me I thank sony fans for nothing, I'm old enough to remember when the move to more detailed 3D games were question as "interactive violence", when the thought of online gaming was frowned upon because it will expose to many young children to "vulgarity", or hearing things like "game consoles should just play games", etc, etc. I don't know I'm not a business man, but if I did own micro I'd be fine with making a few billion in profit instead of 10's of billion, selling less hardware than my competitor while also being respected for trying to innovate, if I wanted them to "be like sony", then I would just buy a ps4.
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Naga  +   141d ago
@ Heavy

"I can think of a few people who said tp me "it will never happen"

I was one of those guys. I really, really didn't think we would be seeing this - especially not at the 6 month mark.

I was wrong.
Patrick_pk44  +   141d ago
@tehpees3 I think you mean, "the fastest damage control for a console ever released".
Giul_Xainx  +   141d ago
Headlines of the future. "Kinectless sku spawns 7 million pre orders."

"Gamers agree, what the f*!# took them so long?"
darkride66  +   141d ago
Well folks, we now have ourselves a race!

Good on Microsoft for once again showing some flexibility when it comes to the Xbox One. This move will only help the Xbox One and I think the stakes at E3 this year just went up considerably.

I still view the PS4 as a better choice (that's just my personal opinion) if you're only looking to pick up one console or the other but certainly this is a game changer.
BakPAin  +   141d ago
@webby,
Couldnt have said it any better.
Saigon  +   141d ago
It should have always been an option and not a requirement. Cheers to MS for making a great decision. Now the only thing is that I hope the price of the Kinect separately is not an outrageous price.
Boody-Bandit  +   141d ago
@Unholy_One

"Wow.

I was wrong.

I didn't think they would do it."

Mad props for being one of the first I've seen to do this.

I just wish MS would've never included Kinect in the 1st place. I've always said it was a huge mistake and it should've remained an option. Where would the numbers be if they didn't include it which inflated the price? Is it too little too late? Will it turn things around? Personally I think, as always, it will come down to the games.

I know we gamers say this every year but honestly I've never been more intrigued for E3. This could possibly be the best in years. I'm hoping it is. I plan on gaming until I kick and I don't plan on shuffling my mortal coil anytime soon.

I think MS made a lot of poor choices to start this generation and I'm frustrated by how long it is taken them to try and correct their mistakes. I still know competition moves us forward. So I'm just glad these moves are being made. Time will tell what effect they will have.
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fr0sty  +   141d ago
Drop the price to $350, drop the paywall for netflix and other services, and then I'll start watching some of the games for what I'd be interested in.

A step in the right direction, for sure. MS just might have prevented their gaming division from going extinct before the end of the generation. However, it is hard to stop momentum, an object in motion tends to stay in motion. PS4's momentum isn't going to slow any because of this, so XO is really going to have to ramp up fast to be any real threat.

That said, at this point Phil and friends aren't likely concerned about being "a threat" to PS4, and claiming the #1 in sales crown which only really matters to internet enthusiasts. They just want to take this sinking ship and try to make a little bit of profit from the recent investments made on the console so that execs and investors will stop calling for the division to be sold off.
blackbeld  +   141d ago
Great news!

Now PS4 price drop please? PS4 for $299,- that will be great for all gamers!

I bet PS4 is almost reaching the break-even point so please drop the price.
ZodTheRipper  +   141d ago
Am I the only one who thinks that this is actually a hidden price increase for the console itself? Weren't there people claiming that the production of Kinect costs almost as much as the console itself? And if I'm not mistaken, you can get an X1 + Kinect + Titanfall for 500 bucks at the moment ...400 for just the console seems like a hoax.
ThunderSpark  +   141d ago
I'm waiting for the 180 on all this cloud makes you go super saiyan talk
alexkoepp  +   141d ago
Don't really care one way or the other but they've now essentially killed Kinect
Perjoss  +   141d ago
Good move, they only have 1 final hurdle to tackle now, they need to find a way for the One to catch up to the PS4 in terms of power.
mikeslemonade  +   141d ago
LOL

Those who said that this wouldn't hapeen go EAT CROW NOW!

I told you so!

^^
And not this is too little too late for X1. If you look at trends it will tell you that the X1 won't be even competitive unless it's $299.99.
UltimateMaster  +   141d ago
What Microsoft SHOULD have done, is make the Xbox One 400$, with kinect. Just saying.
Supporter  +   141d ago
Its about time
UltraNova  +   141d ago
@Heavy

Yep, they went directly after Sony, that was stupid. They have the money to spend why not drop to 350 and give Sony a fight? They are being beaten 2:1 globally after all.
lelo  +   142d ago
"Pre-orders open for Xbox One without Kinect"

I was expecting this... remains to be seen if it's not to late for the X1. I hope not, competition is always good for the consumer.

As for the $399 price tag, it's a bit high. The PS4 is a more powerful console, so the Kinectless X1 should be $320-349.

Since I already have a PS4, probably get a Kinectless X1 in September when released in my country. Hope it's at least 350€ by then.
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randomass171  +   141d ago
Well, well, well... this race just became a lot more interesting.
lonelyplayer  +   141d ago
NO. Remember Xbox One has additional hardware for handling the HDMI in.
gameon1985  +   141d ago
You act like the PS4 is just night and day difference in power, when there has not been a single game on PS4 that shows a massive difference.
Caffo01  +   141d ago
@gameon1985
infamous does show it a lot....1080p and above 30fps on an open world game with awesome graphics.
and 349 it's 50 less than ps4 so it should be right even if there's not much difference.
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JustCallMeDaddy  +   141d ago
You seem to forget the amount of features this system has. These two systems are dramatically different. It is like comparing an MP3 to a Cellphone.

I personally spend half my time using my Xbox One with functionality that I could also do on a PS4. The other half, I spend it using functionalities and features only applicable to the Xbox One.

What this, to me, means is that I paid $250 for a gaming system that can do exactly the same as a PS4. and the other $250 for the remaining 50% of features that are unique to Xbox One.

I think that at lunch, the Xbox One was hugely overpriced. But at this point? No way! It is a bargain for the amount of value it provides.

I digress, but who cares?! I use my Xbox One everyday, and I would be willing to bet that the average time Xbots spend on their Xbox One is at least twice what the average Ponies spends on their PS4.

If you take the above statement as being true, then nobody can't argue that the value provided by the Xbox One is on average twice what the PS4 provides. So in paper, the Xbox One could cost twice as the PS4 and still be worth it due to the amount of value it provides its users.

I digress, again. But in all sincerity, I can pay $400 dollars to use a PS4 for a set amount of time. OR, I can pay $500 and use an Xbox One for twice the amount of time. Tell me, which one provides more value, satisfaction and usage?
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Mr1Y  +   141d ago
@lelo
I dont think so, MS is losing a crap ton of money now http://tinyurl.com/ofsracw ,so i think a 400$ price tag is fine
PrinterMan  +   141d ago
JustCallMeDaddy I guess it depends what you purchased the system for. I use my PS3 100% of the time to play games ... because that's why I purchased it. Xbone does not include a single feature the ps4 does not have that I personally find useful. I use a remote for my tv. I can press the power button without speaking, I can sit on the couch to play games, I don't need to jump around and look like an ass playing my games. etc. etc. etc. Of course this is just my opinion (and I'm entitled to it :).

$250.00 worth of unique features the Xbone provides you? How on earth did you come up with that???
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ufo8mycat  +   141d ago
gameon1985 - There are a few games on PS4 that show quite a huge difference compared to XBONE

1) Infamous Second Son
2) BF4 compared to XBONE ver - The difference here is actually quite big, especially in AA and texture quality. Not to mention the clarity of objects in the distance.
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SIX  +   141d ago
Madness indeed. Now what? You have two consoles at the same price but one is more powerful.
Charybdis  +   141d ago
Agree Microsoft should lower x1 price to 350 without kinect.
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pwnsause_returns  +   141d ago
it should happen but it cant happen right now. its too early to reduce the price... but this is a good start.

also you forgot one thing about the PS4...you can change the hard drive without voiding the warranty....
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Mr1Y  +   141d ago
@ six
Remember games matter too, or else whats the point in having all
Clown_Syndr0me  +   141d ago
Ps4 is more powerful but X1 is packed with far more features and a better social system. Both consoles are winners in their own respects.
djplonker  +   141d ago
Still costs too much for weaker hardware for sure!
Illusive_Man  +   141d ago
Because one has more functionality and expandability outside of games.
asmith2306  +   141d ago
@Clown - maybe, but then again 360 had that over PS3 and it took massively inflated sales numbers due to RROD to be up there with PS3 sales.
LonDonE  +   141d ago
@Clown_Syndr0me
Yeah but software and features on PS4 can and will improve over time and should rival the xbox 1 nicely but the hard ware difference and 40% or so more raw power cannot be caught up by Microsoft! its physically impossible!

Yes they can improve the api and drivers and sdk dev tools and optimise but so will the PS4 and so the difference in performance will more then likely stay!!
Software is something Sony will be able to improve on that's a given but M$ cannot catch up the difference in power between the consoles.

And this is coming from a core gamer who is a happy owner of a PS4,WiiU and XBOX ONE.
It actually is a bit disappointing because now the xbox one wont have anything unique about it.
If at E3 Nintendo unveils a game pad less Wii u then that would be a mind f_ _k!!

Microsoft's lack of vision and direction is worrying, all these 180's they have done while good for us the consumers is still worrying!

Just what an earth were they thinking at M$ head quarters? the X1 is a good console but should of been so much better but now the money they wasted on kinnect could have gone toward making the x1 more powerful.
Its the same with the wii u if it didn't have the game pad it could have been more powerful granted power is not everything, and again it would of made the wii u the same as the competition. I actually liked that all three of the consoles this generation where vastly different offering different things.

Its a strange situation for sure, if the X1 sales start picking up i wonder if this will be a hint to nintendo? i doubt it!
If Mario kart 8 and smash dont make wii u consoles fly off the shelves then nothing will!
I love the game pad but would of preferred if it wasn't included and was optional, that way the wii u would have been much cheaper.

But the kinnect i just dont see any use for it!
i suppose M$ will finally fix the home screen and make the os more controller friendly as it is at the moment its very awkward, i dont like it!

I think they made it that way on purpose to force people to use kinnect, which is a hit and miss most of the time.
I do hope they make the o.s more controller friendly now.
Either way this Generation just got allot more interesting!!
diehardmetallicafan  +   141d ago
@SIX exactly right. picture a piece of turd, now cut a third of it off and you have a kinect-less xbone. (my own opinion so don't everyone get all poopy and teary)
spicelicka  +   141d ago
But the other has better games? See anyone can do that.

Lol I love how people were bitching when DRM and disc policies were introduced, then they reversed those policies and people started bitching about the price................ then they offered the titanfall bundle for $450, people were still bitching............ now they removed kinect, people are still bitching.......I'm so thankful to all those people for making these changes happen, but for shit's sake be grateful MS is listening.

And then there are the Sony fanboys, with less and less things to hate on XB1 for you can see the insecurity level rise, like SIX here for exmaple^.
GribbleGrunger  +   141d ago | Funny
All the developers with Kinect games in development are going to love this.
Neonridr  +   141d ago
I'm sure everyone at Rare just threw their hands in the air and said

"Fu$k this, I'm going back to Nintendo"
GribbleGrunger  +   141d ago
All Sony have to do now is double down on the power difference message. This will create a spike in sales for the XB1 without a doubt but with no differentiating feature, MS just handed Sony the killer blow.

April's NDP is going to embarrass both MS and VGC.
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Baka-akaB  +   141d ago
True but there is even a big popular differenciating feature . The ps4 has built in game feed capture without the camera . Unless mistaken , the plan was to do that with kinect
medman  +   141d ago
If developers are making Kinect games they deserve the misery.
GribbleGrunger  +   141d ago
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

What if Sony drop the price of the PS4 by $50 and offer a version with the camera included for the original price? Check mate.
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darthv72  +   141d ago
If developers are making games for kinect then people with kinect can play them and people buying an xb1 can still by a kinect sku to play them as well.

It seems rather pointless to buy a game if you do not have the accessories to play.
forcefullpower  +   141d ago
With no guaranteed kinect in every box no developer is going to bother with it. Its now just an under powered console compared to the PS4.

They should have just taken the hit and reduced the whole xbox one to £300 at launch and may be they would have kept some market.

Also what price are they going to sell it as a separate accesssorie.
GribbleGrunger  +   141d ago
Perhaps Sony don't even have to offer the $50 cheaper version. We know that VR is going to be Sony's focus pretty soon and we know that a camera is necessary for it to work, so 'perhaps' Sony could simply announce:

"We are pleased to announce that from June 1st all PS4s will come with the PS4 camera for no extra cost."

A reaction from Harmonics:

http://i.imgur.com/hZetsGS....
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THE-COMMANDER  +   141d ago
Madness? THIS IS SPARTA!!!

lol jk, but seriously check this out:

http://n4g.com/news/1507596...
DARK WITNESS  +   141d ago
It is the madness that a lot of die hard xbox fans said would never happen...

Yet another thing that has been backtracked on. Don't get me wrong, personally I am happy they are doing this. It gives buyers more choice and it goes someway to show MS is willing to change whatever it takes to "try" and get on top of the game.

It just makes me laugh for how long people have defended and said it would never happen.. oh but the whole system is designed for kinect, it can't work without it, blah blah blah...

what a joke.

I just wish I had held out buying one at launch, but I am one of those guys that just has to have it at launch, even if I don't play anything on it. bad on my part.
Visiblemarc  +   141d ago
Yep, exactly.

I personally think it's the right move, and have said so many times...

...as a result I've been called every name in the book and accused of being a Sony fanboy.

Beside the fact that I own and play all brands, it really confused me to be called a fanboy for suggesting a strategy that I thought would *help* sales.

Anyway, as it turns out MS has done the right thing here. Good for them for making the decision sooner than later.
DeathOfTheFanBoy  +   141d ago
Major Nelson blog - Delivering More Choices for Fans

The following blog post has been posted on Xbox Wire from Phil Spencer. Since many of you can’t visit Xbox.com while at the office, I am posting the full text here so you don’t miss anything

Since the beginning, we have focused on delivering great games and entertainment experiences for you. Your feedback matters to us and it shapes the products and services we build. Your feedback showed up in the Xbox One console we launched back in November and in the monthly updates we’ve delivered since.

Today, we’re excited to share more ways your feedback is impacting the products we build.

First, beginning on June 9th, in all markets where Xbox One is sold, we will offer Xbox One starting at $399*. This is a new console option that does not include Kinect. For $399, our new Xbox One offering will continue to deliver access to the best blockbuster games like “Titanfall,” “Call of Duty: Ghosts,” “Forza Motorsport 5,” “Dead Rising 3,” and the upcoming “Watch Dogs,” “Destiny” and “Sunset Overdrive.” You will also be able to access popular entertainment apps, such as Twitch, YouTube, and Netflix, as well as watch live TV and use OneGuide. Finally, you will continue to be able to use many of the unique features of Xbox One including the ability to get game invites while you watch TV, switch between games and entertainment apps, enjoy Twitch broadcasts, and upload your favorite gaming moments.

Next, we’re bringing more value to our Xbox Live Gold members while extending the entertainment experiences available through Xbox to every connected console. So, also starting in June, we will roll out a new set of benefits for our Xbox Live Gold members on Xbox One and we will offer anyone who owns an Xbox 360 or Xbox One access to popular games and entertainment apps without an Xbox Live Gold membership. Here is what you can expect from the new generation of Xbox Live:

• Free games with Games with Gold**. Since Games with Gold launched on Xbox 360 a year ago, over 12 million people have enjoyed great free games, resulting in nearly 200 million hours of free fun playing Games with Gold titles. We’ve been learning from your feedback and have focused on making improvements each month to the selection of titles. To celebrate the one-year anniversary of Games with Gold for Xbox 360 and as a thank you for helping shape this program, members will receive an additional free Xbox 360 game in June. The Games with Gold titles for Xbox 360 in June are “Dark Souls,” “Charlie Murder” and a bonus game of “Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition.”

We’re pleased to bring Games with Gold to Xbox Live Gold members on Xbox One in June. Members will have subscription-based access to free games ranging from top hits to breaking indie stars. The program will launch on Xbox One with “Max: The Curse of Brotherhood” and “Halo: Spartan Assault.” A single Gold membership will get you access to the free games for both Xbox One and Xbox 360.

• Exclusive Discounts. Deals with Gold will also launch for Xbox One in June, delivering discounts for great games each month, with significant savings for Xbox Live Gold members. The first titles offered in June will include “Forza Motorsport 5,” “Ryse: Son of Rome,” and a few other surprises. This program will continue to be available for Xbox Live Gold members on Xbox 360. And new on Xbox One, we will launch a virtual VIP room exclusive to Xbox Live Gold members where we will feature free games, monthly deals, and other great benefits.
SkippyPaccino  +   141d ago
Incoming PS4 price drop at E3...349.99$
Competition is a good thing
tuglu_pati  +   141d ago
doubt it. Unless MS takes the lead which I also doubt. This price drop will move more console but it will not put MS in front of Sony.
timotim  +   141d ago
In all honesty, I very much doubt that Sony can afford to drop price on the PS4 at this time. They already launched with a reduced price as is to get the one up on The One.
Illusive_Man  +   141d ago
Sony is bleeding all over from losses in multiple departments not to mention the PS3 and you expect a price drop?

Keep dreaming.
SkippyPaccino  +   141d ago
Ok...everyone has to relax...If you don't think its going to happen fine...We don't have to be all douchy about it...I got my ps4 for free on day one with my credit card points...I'm set and waiting for watchdogs at the end of the month...

*speculation is that Sony is making money on every PS4 sold...( around 18$) Anything can happen...especially if Microsoft starts gaining on them , they could discount it closer to Christmas...Anyways its great news for gamers...

Stay Classy N4G
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   141d ago
I think Sony will have a price drop for holiday season. The ONE will get a boost and may be on near equal footing in US/UK by then. Since this is not technically a price drop, just a new sku, I think we may see a price drop for the ONE as well. It would make me happy, but I doubt it.
dmitrijs88  +   141d ago
Hah, giving up already? Another 180? Here we go, MS, good job!
Wheres georgenoob, axios and truefan when we need them the most :D

P.S. Isnt this gonna hurt MS? I thought they invested shietloads of money into kinect, how are they gonna get it back now?
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tuglu_pati  +   141d ago
Why are you acting like this is bad? This is great news. Kinect was inflating the price of Xbox One to high.
Clown_Syndr0me  +   141d ago
How is it bad news? Everything gamers moan,about, MS fix. They giving us exactly what were asking for. Its better for gamers and for business. Win win.
XxGHOSTxX-420  +   141d ago
this shouldve been at launch but oh well not dissapointed.
Zombro  +   141d ago
No paywall and kinectless xbox one damn people are gonna run out of stuff to complain about.
Obamanationn  +   141d ago
they removed paywalls ?
Aceman18  +   141d ago
Well 2 out 3 things I wanted happened, now just redesign it to look smaller and slicker than I'm in.
3-4-5  +   141d ago
Does this mean Rare can start attempting to make games people actually want to play again ?
supergravity  +   141d ago
@ Headwing45
"What madness is this?"

The kind where MS force-fed their early adopters B.S. they never asked for, then soon after took a big steaming dump all over their loyal faces.
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TheSaint  +   141d ago
That's MS, not sure how so few people see it.
Mac420  +   141d ago
Same thing I'm wondering, they will never learn. Still wouldn't buy an Xbox 1 even with the price drop. Not worth $400, if it was $300-$350 maybe but this console will never be bought by me. At least not until it breaks below the $300 mark.
Mr1Y  +   141d ago
oh snap
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XiSasukeUchiha  +   141d ago
@Headwing

It's called a Victory my friend Uchiha Sasuke Out (disappears)
HaveAsandwich  +   141d ago
but it won't work without it..........
frostypants  +   141d ago
It's still overpriced relative to the PS4 hardware. $350 would be the point where I started considering it.
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brich233  +   141d ago
They finally took thier head out of there asses and realized that nobody cares about waving thier hands lol
parentoftheyear  +   141d ago
I wish i could copy and paste all the people that said this would never happen. It was only a matter of time. Thank Goodness! Xbox 1 Here i come.
TheSaint  +   141d ago
MS are finally upping their game, shame they didn't do this and the no Gold needed for apps at the start, they might have faired a lot better.
ITPython  +   141d ago
Wow, N4G down almost all day, coincidentally just hours after this huge announcement about kinect being dropped. Me thinks somebody who championed the kinect is bitter about the whole thing, and decided to take it out on the site they believe is some kind of "PS fanboy paradise" with a little DDOSing. Can't have us saying "I told you so" now can we?

I mean heck, if Sony came out and said "We are selling the PS division to Apple" I don't think I would want people talking about it either. Especially if I made a real hard case about how it would never happen.

Or N4G could have been down for unscheduled maintenance (worst possible time though, a kinectless XB1 is pretty massive news).

Either way Kotaku was an option, but it just isn't the same as NG4. No disagrees/agrees or bubble down/up there, so it isn't as fun. You can recommend posts by hitting the little star thing to spite those who disagree, but it really doesn't have the same impact as it does here.

OT: Kinectless XB1... HA! I hate MS beyond words, but I do commend them for this incredibly wise decision that many of us (ironically ones who own PS4's) have been suggesting/requesting since the release of the console. I would say better late than never, but as much as this helps the XB1, it also hurts it. While it is a good choice, it also shows MS flip-flopping on more things they claimed to have made such a strong commitment to. Just like the DRM and always-on stuff they announced at E3.

I dunno, I think it's about time for a XB2 at this point. The XB1 reputation is sullied, possibly beyond repair at this point. People could think of it as the "beta" release of the XB2 to test the waters and to iron out the problems. MS could offer massive discounts for those who would trade-in their XB1 for the XB2, and for the rest, charge $399 for it and make it just as powerful as the PS4.
liquidhalos  +   141d ago
What the heck? is this a joke?? If not then this is great news. I can finally unretire my xbox account! YES!!
Consoleslateagain  +   141d ago
This is the dumbest move ms. Whats the point ofkinect now. Ms doesnt have a ounce of planning atleast stick to you guns to let use see what your gonna deliver. This shows that the games the games was making that focused on kinect sucked. Just like with the always online they try to say how much its going to change things without even attemping to try and explain or show.

When it comes to any market ms enters its all business. Money grab. MS as a whole need to do some real soul searching because in the llast 15yrs they suck as a company. And I'm not talking about their money that's easy to do when your fan base is basically locked in for life. Windows basically prints money

Hopefully Xbox fans won't see Xbox go the same route as zune. Yep zune they do the same $h!t every market
AceBlazer13  +   142d ago
Lol everyone called it. Except the die hard. So much I want to say but I might get marked for trolling
Eonjay  +   142d ago
They were defending something that Microsoft wouldn't even defend so there you go.
IRetrouk  +   141d ago
No, micro did say they would never release the one without kinect, they said it was designed with the system to be part of it, blame micro not the fans.
randomass171  +   141d ago
Plus we're talking about a vocal minority. I think most people honestly expected this.
die_fiend  +   141d ago
I got marked for trolling for saying that Destiny looks miles better than whatever Halo has ever looked like
timotim  +   141d ago
Graphically? If so then that would be correct! However, you are comparing a "next-gen" game with a last gen one...what do you expect? We have yet to see next-gen Halo. But, We can go by track records...Bungie made Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo ODST and Halo Reach...343i came along and smoked every single one of those efforts in the graphics department with Halo 4...by a huge margin! Halo 4 was the studios first real game, and it won "Best Graphics of the Year" on many 2012 lists. Its clear that at least for Halo, 343i was better using the same tech as Bungie was. We shall see what 343i has up their sleeve at E3, im expecting it to look just as good, if not better than Destiny visually.
HaveAsandwich  +   141d ago
check out the new vids. its far deeper than anyone thought.
Hellsvacancy  +   141d ago
Go ahead man, we're not trolling if we're talking facts, most (not all) Ms fans said "but the XB1 is built around Kinect, it will NEVER happen"

And look what happens, I remember Angry Joe mentioning this to Major Neson and he completely shut Joe down "are you an engineer Joe? no, the XB1 will not work without Kinect" lol

Edit: I'm wrong, the interview was in regards to always on
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aiBreeze  +   141d ago
To be fair, the Xbox One interface was clearly designed with Kinect in mind. Works absolutely fine without it though, I only ever use it for turning on, signing in and turning off my console.
rivencleft  +   141d ago
Microsoft themselves said they will never release an Xbox One console without Kinect but as we see that's not the case, I praise them for finally doing it though, I think it will definitely boost their sales given that a lot of people really don't need the kinect. I like the lower price point but in my household the kinect is a staple, my wife, son, and I always play Kinect games together and we enjoy it, but there are a lot of gamers that either just use it for voice commands, or don't use it at all.
aiBreeze  +   141d ago
That poor poor switch.. LEAVE THE UNFLIPPABLE SWITCH ALONE!
Sayburr  +   141d ago
I was one of those who thought Microsoft would keep the Kinect connected, but alas, it seems I was very much wrong.

I guess Microsoft saying the Kinect was essential to the Xbox Experence was just PR crap. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised by it though.
randomass171  +   141d ago
I think it was initially. When the OS was still built around the DRM I think Kinect must have been far more integral to the device.
Bennibop  +   141d ago
More Microsoft spin and back tracking its been happening since the x1 announcement!
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HugoDrax  +   141d ago
I said Microsoft should keep the Kinect included and drop the price to $399.99.

Well now let's see! There has been so many gamers who said "I will buy an Xbox one if it doesn't have Kinect" Now that it's removed, I guess they should be getting their wallets ready.
FITgamer  +   141d ago
"It'll never happen, Kinect is an integral part of the Xbox One OS." It's happening lol.
HappyWithOneBubble  +   141d ago
LOL so many said that. I wonder how they feel about it now.
FITgamer  +   141d ago
@NoWayOut You probably won't seen any those people in this thread either.
Muzikguy  +   141d ago
Me too..... Me too. All those "it can't work without it" was all just to get te most money out of their customers. Now their whole "vision" is shot. Think back to where the original Kinect started and see where they (MS) are now. All that time wasted, to just end up in this position

Edit: I forgot to explain my point. All that time wasted on something that wasn't going to stick anyway, that's what people were having a problem with
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Eonjay  +   142d ago
Microsoft is doing everything it can to make this an interesting fight so good luck to them. All they have to do is take the Kinect out of the boxes they have... and bam!

So this puts Sony in an interesting situation. They are shipping these on the same day as E3.
bleedsoe9mm  +   142d ago
its interesting that this isn't being done at E3 , games lineup must be great .

@Eonjay E3 part of the strategy in front of all the big retail buyers , XB1 is equal now , and look at the fall game lineup , who in the audience ready to sign up for a big order LOL
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Eonjay  +   141d ago
Well games don't come out that day. What they have to do is try to recover some ground they lost to Sony in the meantime.
Wikkid666  +   141d ago
They said they are going to have many announcement before E3... and leaving E3 for the real juice!
die_fiend  +   141d ago
Just need to replace all of the components now
dodgemoose  +   141d ago
Will need new boxes without Kinect on them :P
frostypants  +   141d ago
The PS4 is superior hardware for the price. In fact it's even more apparent now...before MS could at least try justify the cost by vaguely arguing that the Kinect makes up for it. Now, Kinect is gone, and they want the same price point as the PS4 for clearly cheaper hardware? How do they justify that now that there's no shell to hide it under?
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ITPython  +   141d ago
The release date is definitely interesting, maybe MS is going to try to pull some kind of House of Cards move at E3. Perhaps using their Shipped-through numbers of the newly released kinect-free XB1 to bolster their position and decision on un-bundling kinect.

I mean think about it, a kinect-free XB1 for $100 cheaper is essentially like releasing the console all over again, June 9th is basically going to be a born-again day for the XB1. And since it is a pre-order, all those sales will be neatly bunched up into one day when it releases. Think of it like a day-1 release of a game, that first day, due to all the backed up pre-orders, is always going to be it's highest selling point.

MS is most definitely going to use that number to their advantage in some way or another. For example creating marketing hype about how the XB1 was the highest selling console during the month of E3 kind of thing. Problem is they are counting their chickens before they hatch, and it could backfire on them if the pre-order numbers are really weak.
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Eonjay  +   141d ago
You hit it on the head here. Only problem is they did this with Titanfall and failed. Its basically the third console launch so far.

1. November 22 2013.
2. March 11 2014
3. June 9 2014
fonger08  +   142d ago
I knew waiting that out was the right way to go!
ABizzel1  +   141d ago
Yes, and that's what I told everyone else to do.

Launch games aren't always the greatest, and they'll drop in price after a couple months anyway, and with the XBO being the most expensive of the 3 it was the most likely to receive a price drop first.
fonger08  +   141d ago
It's the first system I haven't bought at launch in long time. $500 is just too much especially at launch. $400 is mentally much easy to dish out for, especially since I'm a sucker for Halo.
candy_mafia   141d ago | Trolling | show
ABizzel1  +   141d ago
@candy_mafia

It never makes sense to buy the most expensive console first, because it'll get a price drop usually 1 year later. The same thing happened to the PS3, but it was a bit more understandable why it was so high. It was a gaming console + Blu Ray player, and Blu Ray players were around $400 alone back then. But 1 year later and the PS3 was $399 down from $599.

If the full value isn't there (such as some of your favorite games Day 1, or superior hardware), then don't buy the most expensive console.
PainUzumaki  +   142d ago
YESSSSSS I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN!!! lol definitely picking this up along with that Sunset Overdrive
randomass171  +   141d ago
Hoping to get one for myself as well at some point. :D
silkrevolver  +   142d ago
Good call on their part. If their exclusives prove to review well in the future, I might just get one.

I still feel that the PS4 is the better long-term option, but everyone wins with this change.
ninsigma  +   141d ago
So it's not essential to the whole experience then?? :P
Smart move, lets see of the sales increase!
n4rc  +   141d ago
Its essential to the whole experience..

You can now get Xbox lite for cheaper.. Lol..
bigboss1990  +   141d ago
Blow it your ass! Lol
Boltshocker  +   141d ago
About time Xbox One without Kinect will sell more and be much better :)
raWfodog  +   141d ago
I agree. I'll probably even pick one up a lot sooner than expected.
DynDasE  +   141d ago
It is great for MS exclusive goers.

For usual consumers, a good selling point for Xbox One has been stripped away.

Within the same price tag, Xbox One still is still underperformed by PS4 in every other aspect( except Xbox Live, but PSN+ gives you more value)

Also, we will see what current customers of Xbox One who do not want Kinect at all will think about this sudden change.

Incoming dissonance indeed :P Interesting !
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Software_Lover  +   141d ago
It's all about features and subjective wants/needs from a console. The O.S. of XBone is head and shoulders above the ps4. Snapping back and forth between games and apps with XBone is like magic especially with Kinect :(

Sony has a better history of their first party delivering great experiences.

You have to give and take with both, but you can't go wrong choosing either, or even both.
IRetrouk  +   141d ago
I have only played with xbox one a lil, head and shoulders? No, there are features on it that the playstation does not have like the snap feature but its a hell of a lot slower than sonys os, either way my wish has been granted, deff getting a one after e3 now.
DynDasE  +   141d ago
Actually MS OS is better, but install time ? Navigation ? Design ? Lots of Adss ?

Xbox One OS is Windows 8.1 RT which will suffer when you cannot use Kinect.
2pacalypsenow  +   141d ago
what?
AW360ME  +   141d ago
To be honest it at least means that a Kinect sensor is worth a couple of quid on eBay now, seeing as if a (solus) console owner wants Kinect at some point, £30 on eBay might well be better than the inevitable £99.99 in the shops.
system22  +   141d ago
yes and no. i'd like to think that the reason they made this an option is because consumer feedback probably pointed to high costs without a perceived value to that cost. in other words, market research might prove that people would rather pay less to forego Kinect, seeing no substantial gain in experience. I don't know why they'd do it for any other reason.

personally i like the kinect... moreso as an input device for watching tv/movies etc. its nice to not have to reach for the remote and just use your hands or voice. (even tho you feel like an asshole at first)

i would probably disagree in the xbox underperforming in every other aspect. the xbox has a lot of functionality that the ps4 just simply doesn't have. yes multiplatform games seem to be better on ps4 at present, but the xbox can literally run two apps at the same time on screen, has integrated skype, a kickass version of twitch, hdmi passthrough with overlays and guide customization for live tv (even apps show up as channels in the guides with their content listings) and its awesome. you can also pin apps, movies tv shows to your homescreen etc. its pretty slick (although not completely perfect). you also get a live preview of whatever app is running when you return to your home screen. its also based on win8/directX, which most developers prefer in the long run for things like porting etc (even tho most also prefer sony's dev kits)

I think where ps4 has advantages are the fact that you don't need ps+ to have access to things like Netflix. ps+ probably offers better free titles for now, but the problem with that is that if you lapse your subscription you lose your games. this is not so with games with gold. PS4 has a lot of free to play games so far if you're into that. its not my thing really but its cool that its there.

its also worth noting however that MS will probably submitting on needing xbl gold to run apps you are already paying for. which to me is the right thing to do. thats always annoyed me about the xbox. especially when the ps4 doesn't make you.
n4rc  +   141d ago
Does it really give you more value now?

Now you get the performance of xbl plus 2 current games a month...
Bundi  +   141d ago
Xbox One kinect bundles will still be for sale...nothing lost
Software_Lover  +   141d ago
Missing in the Kinect excitement is that they are doing a PS+ subscription/free game type of deal for the XBone and 360. Halo Spartan Assault and Max the curse of the brotherhood will be available for free to gold members starting in June.

Exciting times.

Edit: Personally, I would've preferred them to just drop the price to 399.00 with the kinect. That would have shown that they were dedicated, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE CAUSED INVESTORS TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
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Sayburr  +   141d ago
Well, there were a lot of people post on here and other sites that they would buy a XBO if the Kinect was removed... so there you go... start ordering!
VitaOwner  +   141d ago
I'm one of them and I will!
WeAreLegion  +   141d ago
So, does that mean they'll be selling the Kinect 2.0 separately?

So everyone knows, you can still buy Day One Edition with Kinect for $466 on Amazon.

Edit: Awesome. Thanks!
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Bonkerz  +   141d ago
yes, they are. In the announcement it stated if you later feel you want the kinect for the entire Xbox experience you can purchase it separately.
LGM313  +   141d ago
Now Kinect is dead like the first one.
Sayburr  +   141d ago
I have to agree... there is no use spending time programing for an add-on unless you just have some extra time before the release date.
Clown_Syndr0me  +   141d ago
Its hardly dead, its used so much for streaming, upload and voice commands. That alone makes it worthwhile. Oh and it signs me in by my face, that's awesome Im far to lazy to sign in manually. That's old skool.
frostypants  +   141d ago
The original Kinect had voice commands and everyone quit bothering with them.

Also, you're too lazy to click a button to sign in? Another example of a solution to a non-problem. This is Microsoft's main problem: they provide features that offer very little added convenience (or worse, makes stuff harder). They don't get it. It's what led to the Windows 8 debacle, the Windows phone debacle, and both Kinect debacles.
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Convas  +   141d ago
Man, I hope someone picks up that phone ...

... BECAUSE I FREAKING CALLED IT.
Goro  +   141d ago
Just like almost everyone did.
randomass171  +   141d ago
The phone's must be ringing off the hook because a ton of people called it. :P
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uth11  +   141d ago
they said it couldn't be done!
sAVAge_bEaST  +   141d ago
Flip a Switch.!,!.!
bobacdigital  +   141d ago
They missed the Kinectless price point IMO ... It should have been priced at 349.99 without Kinect.. People will knock on this sku as still being less powerful than ps4 since it has no advantages anymore. They would have been better off eating the loss and including the Kinect IMO.. The only thing that makes them different now is the specs and MSFT exclusives... What happens when Sony shows up at E3 and says 349.99? MSFT should have lowered their price under the PS4s to start buzz...

The Titanfall bundle for 499.99 with pack in Kinect and game seems like better value IMO?
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Dchops  +   141d ago
You have a good point there, but the titanfall bundle is supposedly a limited edition run.
Rogert  +   141d ago
Sony is not going to decrease the price of the ps4 to 349.99 at E3. They are already losing money on every ps4 sold and for a company that financially is barely surviving dropping the price is at terrible idea
bobacdigital  +   141d ago
Sony as a WHOLE is losing money ... but the game division has been exponentially increasing. Dropping the price isnt a bad thing because more systems out there means more PSN+ subscriptions and more games being attached to it.

Sony is not selling the system at a loss this time around (google it). Working with AMD and going with the less custom architecture has made it a lot easier to make.

Also the longer anything is in production the less it costs to manufacture it (especially if what you are manufacturing is being mass produced). An example of this is that Iwata stating the Wii U is longer sold for a loss (and that is with it selling like trash).
MoonConquistador  +   141d ago
Both Xbone and PS4 were making a profit on every unit sold from day 1. If anything, both should have increased that profit margin.

Not sure where you get your info, care to post a link?
frostypants  +   141d ago
I concur. $349 would reflect the slightly weaker hardware. That's the price point I've said all along should be where a Kinect-less One should be. This is still just as overpriced as before...just minus the crummy accessory.

I don't see Sony cutting the PS4 price though without seeing how things shake out for the One. They're playing from a position of strength...they can take time to analyze things. Though it would certainly be one hell of a crotch-punch move if they did so...
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osprey19  +   141d ago
Aaaaaannd now look at all the comments that say they will now get an xb1, more sales, cant be a bad thing. The gamer always wins
crosstrigger  +   141d ago
Anybody wonder if Phil Spencer was in the room when they decided to bundle the Kinect and was just shaking his head? lol
Menkyo  +   141d ago
looks like you people who disagree with me time and time again when I said this was coming now have to eat some good old crow. yummy yummy.
vividi  +   141d ago
Now we're talking, competition is good, as an Xbox 1 owner Kinect is a joke
HugoDrax  +   141d ago
I own an XBOX ONE, PS4, and Wii U. I just downloaded Kinect Sports Rivals and played with my family over Mothers Day Weekend :-).

Serious question now? So how will gamers record gameplay then? As of now I just press a button on my PS4 controller (Share). What will you press on your Xbox One controller? Since you no longer can say "XBOX RECORD THAT" how will you record anything, unless they make the voice command active through the headset. Still that's going to limit a ton of recorded gameplay for xbox one. Guess it's time for them to release a modified controller, similar to when Sega Genesis had to release a 6 button controller because of the release of Mortal Kombat.
vividi  +   141d ago
Maybe Kinect works for the family,Mobutu for a gamer that is alone, like me, it just doesn't work
TRD4L1fe  +   141d ago
I personally love my kinect and think it adds some uniqueness to XB1. I just hope dev dont abandon the kinect and continue to add features in their games using the kinect.
Mac420  +   141d ago
They abandoned it before it launched, just another MS marketing ploy. Supposivr biggest XB1 title this year ((Titanfall))used it in no way what so ever. After that game launched, people should have realized it was a dud.
TRD4L1fe  +   141d ago
Yet I can still use it for other things. I'm satisfied with just the voice commands and motion gestures because they work so good. You may think it's a dud but I don't see it that way.
Master-H  +   141d ago
Oops! Major Nelson must be at it again with the switch flipping !
Good news tho, but why is it 399 ? since it's weaker than a ps4 shouldn't it be like 349 ? good news non the less, Kinect has always been a worthless piece of ish in my opinion bringing Xbox down since 2010.
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Rogert  +   141d ago
xbox 360 being weaker than the PS3 didn't seem to matter as the 360 destroyed the PS3 sales wise in America.

The average consumer could not care less about FPS or resolution and Microsoft knows that.
Master-H  +   141d ago
Umm the 360 came out a year earlier in the US , was cheaper plus the ps3 while stronger , still had the worst versions of the multiplatform games because it's hard to develop for.
GundalfDeGrej  +   141d ago
A better example would be the Wii vs every other console. It's all about the games.
BF4THEWIN  +   141d ago
No one could care less about America , playstation outsells xbox everywhere else and always will
JimCom95  +   141d ago
Well's it about time this definitely should give a boost in sales, but enough to outsell the the PS4? I don't know. All i know is I'm very happy with my PS4, and this news makes it easier to purchase a second console.
curtis92  +   141d ago
Good day for gaming
cyclindk  +   141d ago
Very quick reaction if true instead of letting the console flounder for years and only THEN removing it. But think they will maintain two versions? One with and one without or what?

Some will call backsliding and it is somewhat, but better than the console sinking and if they still give an optional kinect, nothing bad about having a cheaper kinectless version.
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hobbitooo  +   141d ago
if titanfall cant save xbox, i wonder a kinect-less xbox can...
Neonridr  +   141d ago
pretty sure TF sold a boat-load of games. How is that in any way bad for MS?
Mac420  +   141d ago
700K with the free copies that came with Titanfall bundles included in sales figures is far from good.

Halo when Bungie was making it, sold more on single console. How is 700k sales good. You have around 4 Million X1 users, Almost 50 Million 360 users, An millions more on PC.

Never understood all the hype behind TF, Glad I Gameflyed it. Put it back in the mail after 3 days.
Neonridr  +   141d ago
care to provide a link for those numbers. Last I heard it was closer to 1.5 million sold on the XB1 alone.

People still bought the consoles to get access to the game.

The PS4 has millions more users and Infamous still sold less.
Hellsvacancy  +   141d ago
It will definitely help, for a while atleast
Rogert  +   141d ago
a $100 price reduction just before E3 where they will announce a ton of games for the system? the momentum is all in Microsoft's side after E3.

Unless Sony announces something completely mind-blowing at E3 or shows off a major firmware upgrade, the tides(at least in America) will be shifting towards the X1.
Bonkerz  +   141d ago
I know of 6 people who already reserved, seems like this will definitely help Xbox get a lot more sales.
Neonridr  +   141d ago
A bunch of good changes in the MS camp IMO. GWG going subscription based a-la PS+ is great news, means access to better games. Removing Kinect is a getting rid of a great barrier to entry. Now the consoles are the same price, so it will be about the games now. Sure, you can debate whether it should have been a little cheaper since the hardware is "not as strong", but this is a great start to evening the playing field a little bit more.

In the end, gamers are the ones who are going to benefit the most from this news, so it's win-win.
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WoW Wednesday: Add-Ons and Mods

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Billionaire.(iOS) Tips for free crystals and easy money

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