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30 vs. 60 FPS: Can Your Eyes Tell The Difference In Gameplay?

GearNuke: Can you tell the difference between 30 vs. 60 fps gameplay? (PC, PS4, Xbox One)

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Kingthrash360  +   71d ago | Well said
yes...easily.
next question.

protip: i'm no "i wont buy a game because of the fps count."
but i could tell the difference when playing the game...u can sorta feel the difference in movement n stuff like that. at least thats me. i remember playing rage (i think it was rage) and was like dam it moves faster and looks better that i thought i would. it was later that i found out it ran at 60fps.
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Visiblemarc  +   71d ago | Well said
Yeah, I agree.

How can people even be asking this absurd question in 2014. The idea that "the human eye can't see the difference" is such a dated myth. It's embarassing at this point, really.

I certainly play and enjoy 30fps games, some with even lower fps, have ranked among my faves, actually, but I can obviously see a difference and clearly prefer a higher fps when it's available.
Naga  +   71d ago
A much better question is whether people can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

The answer is going to still be a definite yes, but at least then there's room for some additional variables to be considered such as viewing distance, screen size, etc.

As it is, this is just a silly question.
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Septic  +   71d ago
Wtf? The difference is huge. Jump on COD or TF and you can tell the smoothness of 60fps vs 30fps easily. This isnt like the resolution debate, which the difference (even though its noticeable) it isn't as obvious as frame rate.

Steady 60fps vs 30fps makes a world of difference. Someone post a link pls of a video showing the difference.

Im sorry but this topic is ridiculous unless you're Stevie Wonder.
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4Sh0w  +   71d ago
Well I always swear Forza and even COD seem better to me because when I play them the 60fps helps the gameplay alot, but I swear I literally watched those vids 5 times and I just can't SEE a difference at all. I don't wear glasses and I have perfect eyesight.

It makes me curious if they mix up the labels and did a live session asking 100 people to pick which is which what the numbers would be.
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Naga  +   71d ago
What I think would actually be a question worth asking, is at what FPS range does the human eye stop detecting a difference? I've heard the limit is roughly 60fps (hence the magic number), but I've also heard otherwise. Either way, THAT would be worth writing an article about.
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DemonChicken  +   71d ago
* sorry wrong news (window rather lol), post here by mistake, n4g won't allow self destruction of comments =p
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Nerdmaster  +   71d ago
Actually, the article was just a way for them to say "hey guys, now we can show 60fps video! here's the proof below!", as anyone can see for "Thanks to this brand new site, we can compare 30 fps gameplay side-by-side with 60 fps gameplay".

I think it's funny how people seem to be offended.
fr0sty  +   71d ago
Telling the difference between 30fps to 60fps is easy, even with pre-recorded video. Telling the difference between 720p and 1080p is easy, for those with larger screens (or smaller screens you sit close to) and good eyesight. However, framerate is far more important than dropping a few pixels. It will get noticed first.
Anthotis  +   71d ago
The difference between 30 and 60 fps is blatantly obvious.
DVAcme  +   71d ago
@Naga: I think 60fps is a reasonable number, cause my bro was playing Metro on his beast machine at 120fps and I honestly could not tell the difference between that and 60fps. And honestly, if you can't tell that difference, it's a good idea to cap it at 60 for better performance, since it doesn't really make a difference.

Then again, I do have a theory that 120fps is a better framerate for VR systems like Rift or Morpheus, since it probably helps with immersion on account of trying to replicate you actually looking like your using your eyes instead of looking through a TV set.
Army_of_Darkness  +   71d ago
If my girlfriend can tell the difference after showing her a comparison, then I'm sure any actual gamer could also.
Darkstares  +   71d ago
Interesting how resolution and frame rates have become a huge topic this generation with console gamers. They used to scoff at pc gamers who talked about this sort of stuff and called them elitists.
starchild  +   71d ago
It's like asking whether you can tell the difference between PS2 and PS3 graphics. The difference is super obvious.

I can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps very easily. I can also very readily tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps.

You can SEE the difference because the temporal resolution is higher and things are much clearer while in motion (which in games is almost all the time). You can also FEEL the difference since higher framerates result in less latency and better controller response.
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Syleros  +   71d ago
I both agree and disagree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

photoreceptors have an integration period, which varies based on receptor type and light levels. They respond to any signal during this integration period, as long as the photons received are above noise level.

That doesn't mean we see an improved image from a screen flashing twice as fast.

Functionally, our photoreceptors have a flicker fusion rate of 15 - 60 hz, which means 40 fps is just fine.

The fact that anyone would not buy a game because of it being 30 fps vs 60 fps is ridiculous. realistically you are arguing over 10 fps.
miyamoto  +   71d ago
before they say 720p is better than 1080p
now they say 30fps is better than 60fps?

its really getting dumber and dumber each and everyday ....
ziggurcat  +   71d ago
@ naga:

"A much better question is whether people can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p."

yes. don't be silly.
MazzingerZ  +   71d ago
Last gen gamers had super vision as they could tell pixel differences and today 30FPS=60FPS? LOL
shivvy24  +   71d ago
Ratchet and clank used to be 60 but there was a massive difference. In gameplay when they went 30. Wasnt smooth and felt choppy
UltraNova  +   71d ago
There's no debating over this issue. Make sure your screen is at 60hz and test to your hearts content >>>> http://frames-per-second.ap...
UltimateMaster  +   70d ago
When you have an HD TV with high refresh rate (240hz and higher) you can clearly see a huge difference.

So if you play your games @60fps, get yourself a quality HD TV (Sony's RR and Anti-Motion Blur is excellent) and you'll get a better experience.
Anarki  +   70d ago
The difference is as clear as day when looking at it like this side by side. I wouldn't avoid a 30fps game, but I'd certainly buy a 60fps game if it was offered on 1 platform and not the other.
papashango  +   70d ago
This argument has been floating around the interwebz for years now.

You had pc gamers with low end hardware and casual mmo gamers trying to fuel their side of the argument that 30fps is the same as 60.

last gen console gamers were completely oblivious to this argument thinking that pc gamers went high end for graphics and not frame rates.

It's nice that most of you finally realize whats going on now.
MYDEATH21  +   71d ago
Exactly lol. I can stand it when a scene gets hectic and everything starts to look like it's playing in slow motion
Conzul  +   71d ago
I don't think it's so much the eyes that detect the difference, but the decision-making centres of your brain. I seem to notice 60fps much better with my "hands", even though I know it's a sort of motor-cortex function.

Visuall, yes, there is a difference too, so this is a dumb question.
MysticStrummer  +   71d ago
Saying "hands" like that implies you have some kind of prosthetic.

I didn't hit disagree by the way. I just woke up from a nap and thought that looked odd.

: )
colonel179  +   71d ago
Wow! I guess I'm the only one that has NEVER noticed the difference.
guitarded77  +   71d ago
I used to be the same way until I had more experiences with 60 FPS. You can really tell the game runs smoother when playing.

Watch the visa again, but make sure to pay attention to the scenery and not the car, or fixed position things. You see how smooth the scenery moves along in 60 FPS, allowing for better decision making. The faster the gameplay is, the more important 60 FPS are.
4Sh0w  +   71d ago
colonel, You too?

Well actually I believe I can tell the difference but I saw another 30 vs 60fps vid a month or so ago and now this one and now I'm doubting whether I really can. I have keen eyesight so its almost annoying me a bit that I can't tell when so many are saying its easy to tell.
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BitbyDeath  +   71d ago
The difference is about movement blur and not frame drops. Or so I was told. Some people are prone for watching out for it, others are not.

As long as it stays above 30 then it doesn't bother me.
oof46  +   71d ago
I forget which year it was, but Madden was 30 fps one year and 60 fps the next. If you slow motioned the replays, you could tell the difference in the jerkiness/smoothness of the players motion.
Clunkyd  +   71d ago
yep, you can see a big difference.

Check this out
http://frames-per-second.ap...

Gameplay
http://www.30vs60fps.com/
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guitarded77  +   71d ago
Nice links.
Th3o  +   71d ago
Much better than the videos imo...it honestly felt like they were just doubling the speed of the video:S it didn't feel like they actually were running it 30 vs 60 fps.

That might have been an effect from watching both screens at the same time, but i think I guessed right.

So simulated 30 fps vs 60 fps.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   71d ago
60 fps is just smoother, no other way to put it. I remember looking at some footage of 60 fps in a game and I thought I had my finger on the fast forward button lol
Baccra17  +   71d ago
I made sure to never learn how to tell the difference.

Bigger question- why did everyone else learn to tell the difference? Since you've learned the difference none of you guys seem to be very happy. Why would you guys learn something to make yourselves miserable?
Mr Tretton  +   71d ago
You are quite a silly person. (and are high suspect as the person that is thumbing down every comment here)

I also never 'learned' to tell the difference. I knew, with my own eyes, there was a difference in the way some games performed, years ago, I later learned want technically is happening. I'm very happy with my games performing at 60 fps.
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Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   71d ago
...? Generally dissatisfaction is what leads to innovation and improvement.
Mikelarry  +   71d ago
ill just leave this here for anyone who says they cant tell the difference

http://30vs60.com/bf4-runni...
colonel179  +   71d ago
OMG! i definitely CAN'T see the difference! I've been looking at the comparison for 30 min and nothing!
Tsar4ever  +   71d ago
Well demonstrated, Mikelarry.
Tsar4ever  +   71d ago
Short answer, HELL YEAH, You can tell the difference, anybody says you really can't just has poor eyesight. 60fps is more milky smoother than 30fps,

mike drops!!

This doesn't mean that 30fps is unplayable & bad for gaming, it just means that 60fps is superior, the next level up! And if your system PC/Console/tablet or smartphone is capable of running games at this frame-rate, it shows as a testimate to the capability of your system power.
lelo  +   71d ago
"30 vs. 60 FPS: Can Your Eyes Tell The Difference In Gameplay?"

YES.

I prefer a lower resolution at 60FPS then a higher resolution at 30FPS.
HaveAsandwich  +   71d ago
yup. no question.
Anthotis  +   71d ago
nevermind
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hellzsupernova  +   71d ago
^THIS!
JasonKCK  +   71d ago
The only way you couldn't tell the difference would be on a CRT TV. If you're still playing on a CRT, I'm sorry.
ATi_Elite  +   71d ago
"Lord Vader can you tell the difference between 30fps and 60 fps

"All too Easy"

The fluid smooth motion of 60fps is so easy to see vs. the jumpiness and choppy motion of 30fps.

just look at the animation or scenery travel and you will see a HUGE difference.

Trust me if you are blind and cant tell YOUR GPU can tell as it has to work very hard to pump out 60fps vs. 30fps.
Rayansaki  +   71d ago
The difference visually is not a big deal. What every comparison like this always forgets to take into account is the gameplay difference. 60 FPS is more responsive smooth. 30 FPS inserts a lot of input lag.
JsonHenry  +   71d ago
Yes,especially if you have a higher refresh rate on your monitor/TV than others. The lack of Vsync in most games is horrendous.
Sci0n  +   71d ago
well said, I was going to say you can feel the difference and see it.
theDivision  +   71d ago
It has been scientifically proven some eyes can discern at higher fps rates. Though I think our threshold is around 60 so anything above that is too fast for us to tell.
Cernunnos  +   71d ago
You can very easily tell the difference between 60 and 120 aswell, if you have ever played with a 120hz monitor with a game at 120fps or above you would know. Our eyes are analogue, and there is no definite FPS treshold. I've heard about tests with 240hz screens aswell, and the test subjects said there was a big difference between 120 and 240fps.
Cernunnos  +   71d ago
I can easily estimate a game's framerate while playing. I've tested myself with PC games, holding a hand over the FPS counter, and said to myself "Now it is around 45 fps", and I am usually quite right, some games are harder than other to notice it in. When a game goes below 30fps, and down into the mid twenties, it really begins to annoy me.

I find movies and TV-shows choppy, and if I watch a movie right after playing a game at 60fps, I notice it right away, even though a movie has natural motion blur to compensate.
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MoveTheGlow  +   70d ago
Yeah, even as a kid I was like "Movies seem to run slowly... but the characters are moving fast, so it can't be that... Why can't they just move like they're in a video game?" My parents and friends were like "What the heck are you talking about?"

And then Battle Arena Toshinden 3 happened - yeah, the game was dumb, but you could change 30/60fps in the settings. The 60fps setting looked like a blocky mess on the PS1 (I mean, it was the PS1 after all), but I finally got that this weird difference I was seeing was a framerate thing.
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MoveTheGlow  +   70d ago
I mostly agree, Kingthrash360, but as a gamer who's been around since the 8-bit days, <=30fps instead of 60fps could *definitely* be a dealbreaker for my purchase of a game, depending on the genre. I grew up with fast, twitchy, skill-based games, running as fast as basic pixels could be pushed around a screen, so for me, a racing game or a precise action game (ahem, Devil May Cry) should be running at 60, or usually it's no deal. That's way worse for me than a drop in resolution - although, truth be told, I don't have a huge TV, so it's not as big a deal anyway.

Still, some of my favorite games aren't ever running at 60 - the original Star Fox (which you'd think shouldn't be enjoyable at that framerate, but it's too good), Ocarina of Time, Super Metroid, the PS1 Final Fantasy titles, they were all sub-60.

Having a PC this generation really helps. Maybe I'm not enabling all of the particle effects, but I'd rather the game run smoothly. ACIV at 60 is pure piratey gold.
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Kingthrash360  +   70d ago
i've been around since 4bit days..when nothing but fun mattered...but i wont disagree with you. people have their preferences. i just dont mind what frame rate it runs..as long as its playable and enjoyable.
that said i do understand why some dislike games under 60. this generation that should be the standard anyway. pc has been doing this for a while now.
all in all everyone should enjoy games the way they prefer them , so to you i say GAME ON bro....game on.
MetaReapre  +   70d ago
Yea, 60 fps does not only makes the animation look more smooth, but you can feel it in the controls too.
Easy way to compare it is Dark Souls 2 on console compared to on PC. You can feel the difference in the gameplay with rolling, attacking and parrying.

I usually don't care too much with most games with the whole 30 vs 60 fps, but I do prefer 60 fps in games where timing and precision is the main part of the gameplay.
Cernunnos  +   70d ago
And there is actually a very simple reason for why it feels more responsive control vice too. More FPS = lower input lag.
jnemesh  +   70d ago
I agree! It's not a subtle difference, and a video doesn't convey the impact as much as actually playing a game does! This shouldn't even be up for debate...OF COURSE 60fps is important! The only ones who are arguing otherwise are the sad fools who bought a console not capable of both 1080p resolution and 60fps!
Kingthrash360  +   70d ago
lol! nice stealth jab lol...but true.
randomass171  +   70d ago
I can definitely see the difference too and 60fps is always ideal. That being said some games can be good even without 60fps.
Kingthrash360  +   70d ago
agreed, most legendary games are not 60fps.
BallsEye  +   70d ago
60 better than 30 fps
30 fps locked better than 30+ unlocked
I rather have stable framerate than one that is 30 at most times but sometimes hit 50
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ape007  +   71d ago
LoL
FITgamer  +   71d ago
You might not see the difference, but you can definitely feel the difference.
Irishguy95  +   71d ago
You can CLEARLY see the difference. Very very very Clearly.
FITgamer  +   71d ago
Sometimes when just watching gameplay i can't tell the difference between the two. I know the difference immediately if i'm actually playing. You can feel the difference in how smooth the controls are.
windblowsagain  +   71d ago
Easy to see and feel the difference.

But some games get away with 30fps without problems.

I love NFS RIVALS and play on pc, it's locked at 30fps, but is very smooth.

Resistance games on PS3 were all 30fps and smooth.

It's fine for alot of games, but 60fps is silky when solid.

I play BF4 on PC @60fps most of the time and it helps.
mcstorm  +   71d ago
I think windblowsagain is spot on.

It really depends on the game. If you look at Forza horizon for example it did not impact the game in feel or looks but if they made Forza 5 30 fps we would be able to tell the difference.

Also ide rather have a game locked to 30fps than a game that runs at 60fps but drops it fps count like we saw with gt5 as for me this really made the game a mess.

For me I don't care if the game has the best looking graphics, the most fps, or 1080p rez I buy a game because of how it plays and makes me feel when I'm playing it.
Baccra17  +   71d ago
Playing games all my life and can't see the difference and don't wish to learn how to spot it.

Downvote all you want, but it makes no sense why you would want to spot the difference so that you can be dissapointed when a game lacks the framerate that you want. I know people that won't play certain games, even if it's fun and good, simply because of framerate. Whether it is 60 or 30, so long as it doesn't drop and stays stable, and the game is fun, that is what should matter.
randomass171  +   70d ago
Visually it's pretty obvious. A bad game running at 60fps is still a bad game though. That's why I'm not usually bothered as long as the frame rate is locked and the rest of the game looks appealing and is designed and plays well.
Nitrowolf2  +   71d ago
@Ur second response
Depends where u watch ur said gameplay. If its youtube then u cant see the difference due.to.compression locked at 29.99fps
Almost any other video.service though.you can
candy_mafia  +   71d ago
@Nitrowolf2

Agree...plus on some games 60fps is completely unnecessary. Sports, Fighting & FPS games play way better @60fps.

60fps is nice of course, but when making sacrifices on extremely visually demanding games, then I'd be happy having a steady 30fps.

> Infamous, The Order 1886 & Driveclub just as an example :)
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DVAcme  +   71d ago
@Candy_mafia

You hit it right on the head with some genres being better at higher fps than others. You specifically mentioned fighting games, and that to me is the absolute. Any fighting game that runs at less than 60fps is gonna be a mess because of how much that genre depends on timing.
ABizzel1  +   71d ago
@FITgamer

That's because most of the time the gameplay videos are on YouTube, which is 30fps.
mark3214uk  +   71d ago
so many silly articles about this and "is resolution important",of course they are,xbots are only paying for these articles because the x1 isnt capable of achieving 1080p/60fps
kalkano  +   71d ago
"the x1 isnt capable of achieving 1080p/60fps"

I hate Microsoft, but that is not a true statement. It IS capable of it. You just have to lower the graphics to achieve it (compared to PS4).
JasonKCK  +   71d ago
I hate to break it to you, but the PS4 is in the same boat when it comes to fps. If you're looking for constant 60fps you need to look to PC.
BattleN  +   71d ago
Gears 3 runs fine at 30fps and still manages to look good only time there is slow down is when multiple smoke frags go off in close proximity
SpiralTear  +   71d ago
Yes, you definitely can. This isn't like the resolution argument; the difference between frame rates is absolutely noticeable.
randomass171  +   70d ago
^Agreed completely. Frame rate differences can often determine how smooth the game looks.
corvusmd  +   71d ago
Just my Opinion

Framerate, yes you can tell the difference easily side by side. That being said, if you have a solid framerate at 30 or higher, the game will still look great (true certain game types benefit more from higher framerates). Very few people will argue different frame rates being unnoticeable. Where most people differ is in regards to resolution.

I don't remember the stats exactly, but it's something like, unless your TV is 55in or bigger and you're sitting less than 4-6 feet away, your eyes physically cannot tell the difference between native 720 and 1080. Meaning 900 and 1080 has such a minor difference that I doubt it will ever matter. You can tell by the fact that every time there is a graphics comparison there are so many caveats (side by side, slow frame or still frame, magnified, different lighting all on a PC screen less than a foot from your face...just to notice a difference) just to make it so you can tell. At that point, a controller I like, network stability/mp voice quality, where my friends play and simply the fact of where I'm gathering my achievements/trophies is much more important than any difference in my opinion.

That being said, so far all games on all the systems this gen have looked great, I personally have nothing to complain about any of them graphically. I personally feel that FPS, your TV, and graphics other than resolution are much more important in making a game look great. Again, just one persons opinion.
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Dirtnapstor  +   71d ago
Yep. With respect to what your viewing the games on, size will make a difference. Anything above a 40", you'll start to see a difference between 1080 & 720. Additionally, the type of TV will display for better or worse... LED, LCD, even generations thereof.
candy_mafia  +   71d ago
We have 2 TV sets in our house, and I've tried PS4 games running @1080p on both...

The 42' LG looks great sitting at a good (6ft) distance away. But our 50' LG Screen shows the best with Infamous SS & MGS 5 Phantom Pain and I sit 4ft away. None of the jaggy old pixels around the edge of everything like in PS3/360 generation.

It really does make a difference if you sit close, that's how you can tell if it's quality :)
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psforward  +   71d ago
Exactly right Dirtnapster, wish corvusmd would stop posting his same wrong stats on viewing distance, screen size, and resolution. It make him look lazy and/or like he's trolling.
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Evilsnuggle  +   70d ago
corvusmd
You are a known Xbone fan . This is just more damage control. Because of Xbone's lower frame-rates and resolution. Why are you xbone fanBoys trying to convince everyone that resolution and frame rate does not matter. I don't care what size your T.V is you can see lower resolution and frame rate. Any one who owns a 360 or PS3 go change game consoles interface to 720p on your 360 or PS3. Then change it back to 1080p and tell me you can't see the difference between 1080p and 720p. I have a 30" LCD for my son 360 and it's nite and day difference between the 1080p and 720p. 720p looks blurry and 1080p looks sharper. This is just more P.R SPIN from xbone lovers.
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ThatEnglishDude  +   71d ago
Well yes, no shit.
JackVagina  +   71d ago
of course you can see the difference, but it buggs me when people bash 30fps as if its unplayable "game needs to come with a pukebucket" (actually seen someone say that once)
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   71d ago
Agreed, I only notice when I'm looking for it. I'm never really bothered by it.
MrSwankSinatra  +   71d ago
Of course you can see the difference. If you can't then you have problems with your vision.
randomass171  +   70d ago
Actually I figure at that point they just don't know what a frame rate is (one of my friends is like that lol) or they just don't care.
Walker  +   71d ago
LoL, even donkey's eyes can tell the difference
specialguest  +   71d ago
what about goat eyes?

http://nigeriandwarfcolors....
randomass171  +   70d ago
T-rex eyes can see the difference. :P
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Starbucks_Fan  +   71d ago
Maybe it depends on the TV? If you have a 120HZ HDTV there's probably a clear difference.
Dirtnapstor  +   71d ago
Yes yes yes, TV will make a difference! Glad to see there are others who aren't dolts when it comes to electronics. 60Hz vs 120 vs 240 vs 600... Each will reveal a different quality. Those who disagree are just plain I'll-informed. Even the grade of connection will matter.
esemce  +   71d ago
Yes but all TVs are really only true 60HZ, You need a monitor for true 120Hz.

A 120Hz monitor and a 120hz LCD TV are not the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Dirtnapstor  +   71d ago
@ esemce
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. I've plugged and played on multiple TVs. I know what I'm saying. Not speculation based on specs.

Monitors vs TVs, you're right (their dinky), but I'm talking TVs vs TVs... Believe me there is a huge difference.
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tee_bag242  +   71d ago
TV 600 Hz is its own internal processing. It slots extra frames inbetween the standard video FPS which is usually 24fps to make the picture artificially look smoother. You don't want this on for gaming as it gives input lag too and is absolute rubbish. Anyway this kind of refresh is different to your TV actually receiving and displaying a 60-120hz picture from a console or PC. Totally different.

Dirtnapstor - its seems you are grossly informed
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jnemesh  +   70d ago
Sorry, but you are the one who doesn't understand...and you shouldn't be name calling when YOU are the one who is uninformed! The MAXIMUM frame rate a television will allow for an input is 60hz! 120hz and 240hz sets do one of two things...

If you have the "Clear Motion" (or whatever each individual manufacturer calls it), it will compare each incoming frame and "interpolate" additional frames to go in between the existing frames. In other words, the TVs themselves MAKE UP information that isn't there in the original video stream! This smoothes out the video, reducing motion judder, but it also introduces artifacts (things you don't want) into the picture...and gives you that "Mexican Soap Opera" look...making film look like video. More importantly for gamers, using this feature adds a significant amount of lag into your display...sometimes as much as 200ms (1/5 of a second)!

If you have the feature turned off (or are in "Game mode", and you really should be if you are gaming!), then the set will simply repeat the frame twice (120hz) or four times (240hz). This helps reduce the inherent latency in LCD (and "LED") pixels (the time it takes a pixel to return to it's "rest" state after receiving a signal).

As for the 600 number? That is most commonly advertised on plasma TVs...and guess what? It has NOTHING to do with refresh rate! Instead the 600hz refers to the "sub field drive", and is responsible for giving you better resolution with fast motion. ALL plasma televisions refresh at "only" 60hz! Why? Because plasma displays don't have issues with latency, and don't need any tricks to display a solid image with a 60hz input signal! Typical LCD latencies are around 5-8ms on good panels...plasmas typically have 0.05ms latency or better!

Hope this clears up some misconceptions for you.
Dirtnapstor  +   70d ago
@ jnemesh
Certainly does clear things up with specifics, thank you.
So with your spiel, you do agree that there is a difference, and the refresh rate (simulated or not) does matter...glad to hear! My elementary point was that it will make a difference what you play on.

Yea, and I'm sure "dolts" was a bit harsh... :)
deafdani  +   70d ago
Congratulations, you are a tool.

:)
chrissx  +   71d ago
If u can't tell the difference,u might wanna go for eye check up
nope111  +   71d ago
Yeah, there's a difference, but it really doesn't matter to me.
Detoxx  +   71d ago
What's next, can you tell the difference between 720P and 4K?
DJMarty  +   71d ago
Detoxx - Difference between colour & Black/white....lol
Detoxx  +   71d ago
LOL! Exactly.

What's up with the people disagreeing? Why so serious?
edqe  +   71d ago
Definitely. The difference is huge. Once you have played a game with 60fps there is no going back to 30fps.

After Dark Souls 2 it is painful to play Dark Souls 1 - fortunately there's is 60fps patch on PC.
nope111  +   71d ago
Except fighting games!!!
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osprey19  +   71d ago
60fps isn't necessary in some games, example in an older game. L.a noire was a slow game, so 60fps wasn't necessary, games like titanfall or cod does need it for its fast gameplay, if u have a slow game and try to get 60fps, ur just wasting resources that can be put to better use.
kalkano  +   71d ago
Disagree. I want 60 FPS in turn-based RPGs. It's not necessary; but it still makes it look better.
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osprey19  +   71d ago
As i said, it takes a certain amount of processing power to bring a game to 60fps, if ur playing a turn based game e.g xcom. (brilliant game). I bet that's at 30fps, if it was at 60fps, the processing power for things such as lighting and shading will be compromised. As long as the game is smooth, it dnt really matter.
Mr Tretton  +   71d ago
I love high frames in ALL games. I can still see the difference even in old console roms. I can play Mario 64 in 1080p/60 fps/MSAAX8,etc. It's like playing a remaster, which it basically is.
starchild  +   71d ago
Every game has much clearer image quality in motion and better controller response at 60fps vs 30fps, therefor higher framerate benefits any type of game.
XStation  +   71d ago
30 vs. 60 FPS: Can Your Eyes Tell The Difference In Gameplay?

Get ready for the answer. ARE YOU READY??? The answer is.....

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
jay2  +   71d ago
Yes big time. I want 1890P/60FPS.
CRASHBASHUK  +   71d ago
I can see the difference in BF4 30v60 more then the racing video tbh
tigertron  +   71d ago
There's definitely a difference and it's night and day to me.
MasterCornholio  +   71d ago
I dont know how to say this but to me its more about feeling the difference than seeing the difference.
F4sterTh4nFTL  +   71d ago
LOL, I can tell the difference between 59 & 60. 30 & 60 are 2 totally different games for me.
SG1_dapunisherX  +   71d ago
play second son then play tf then you will see the difference between 30 and 60 fps
Hyper_Tension140  +   71d ago
I hope your not talking about the xbone version:P

But yeah, its very easy to tell and I have bad eye sight.
Menkyo  +   71d ago
60 looks like its in fast forward thank god for 30fps.
timmyp53  +   71d ago
Can't tell if trolling lol
One_Eyed_Wizard  +   71d ago
Probably not. Some people just need to have the unpopular opinion. Well I guess it could be trolling then.
Menkyo  +   71d ago
not trolling 60 looks like fast forward no thank you
One_Eyed_Wizard  +   71d ago
All it changes is the refresh rate. The speed is the same.
Menkyo  +   71d ago
no its not it looks unnatural. If you can't see it then I don't know what to say.
samchez77  +   71d ago
One_eyed_Wizard.

The name says it all.

the BIGGEST visual difference with 30:60fps is slower animations. They are noticably "choppy" at 30fps. Not as many frames to fill int he gaps.

Hell, I can tell when my PC drops from 60 to 40....
One_Eyed_Wizard  +   71d ago
That's not exactly it though. Since it's refreshed more often, it may give you the impression it's faster I guess but the game would be just as fast at 30 or 120 fps. I didn't say there was no noticeable differences. Just that the game is not faster just because it loops 60 times in a second as opposed to 30. Anyone can notice the difference in framrate unless they're blind or something.
One_Eyed_Wizard  +   71d ago
Well as a programmer I can tell you that all it does code-wise is refresh the image 60 times in a second instead of 30. It should actually look a lot more natural since you can see a lot more than just 30 frames a second in real life with your two eyes.
SIX  +   71d ago
There was a series of gifs that someone did up a while ago and I was disappointed that I couldn't tell the difference. In fact, going back and looking at them now. I still can't tell the difference. Ignorance is bliss i suppose lol.
Revolt13  +   71d ago
Yes, easily.
jmc8888  +   71d ago
LOL at people who still don't understand. The human eye can 'see' hundreds of frames per second, and notice light differences over 600 frames per second. USAF did studies where pilots could be flashed a plane for 1/220th of a second, which corresponds to 1 out of 220 frames in a second, and could STILL IDENTIFY, WHAT IT WAS, A PLANE, and EVEN THE MODEL OF THE PLANE!

The root of all these asinine bs questions that people ask over and over and over again? Ignorance.

You can see hundreds of frames per second, and yet 4k is better then 1080p like it was better then 720p, as it was 480p as it was playing games in 320, etc, etc. Just as it will be for 8k, 16k, and perhaps even beyond.

I remember a lot of morons, A LOT OF MORONS, saying they couldn't see the difference between 480p and 720p. Those same morons are acting all stupid again, saying they can't tell between 1080p and 720p.

Only because they forgot their idiocy from when the 360/PS3 launched.

Guess what, if you let these morons slide again, they'll pull off the same stuff and say 4k doesn't look any different from 1080p.

...oh and no, you don't need a 70 inch screen to see 4k, or over a 40 inch for 1080p. You can tell the difference on a 4 inch screen, unless you are a moron.
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zerog  +   71d ago
Don't know why the disaggrees, you didn't really say anything wrong. The human eye has a rough resolution of about 576 millionp ixels, the average 4k tv produces about 8.3 million pixels so yes unless you have sight issues you should definitely see a difference between 720p and 1080p. On topic with fps the human eye can perceive as many frames as are thrown at it, its the brain that pieces them together to make an image. Basically anything above 20fps will be recognized as a fluid motion, most movies are 24fps. However brightness and viewing size play a big role too in that the brighter the images or larger the viewing screen the more fps you need to eliminate blur. Here's a link to help explain that. http://www.google.com/url?s... basically if you are viewing a small screen you probably won't notice as much of a difference between 30 and 60 as you would on a larger screen.
samchez77  +   71d ago
"...oh and no, you don't need a 70 inch screen to see 4k, or over a 40 inch for 1080p. You can tell the difference on a 4 inch screen, unless you are a moron."

True that. look at the difference of screen fidelity between a Samsung Galaxy s4 and an early model iphone. Like night and day.

Differences may not be as apparent with a smaller screen, but it's still there.
captain_slow82  +   71d ago
ive been playing mgs ground zeroes today then i went to watch my recorded footage (ps4 footage is captured at 30fps) and wow i really can tell diff

same goes for anyone that plays forza an GT then going back to any other racers its clear as a bell
sdozzo  +   71d ago
In dark souls 2 when I pan the camera around I notice a difference from ps3 to PC. Is that framerate?
incendy35  +   71d ago
It is indeed
NaAsAr  +   71d ago
very much so.
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