PS EU: UPDATE> If you have #DRIVECLUB PS+ Ed & upgrade, we'll ensure you keep full game access even if your PS Plus runs out
I better what kind of nonsense were they thinking if they thought people would be like " ok im fine with that"
Great news for digital-only gamers. Shouldn't have been an issue in the first place (i honestly don't know how Sony thought people wouldn't go up in arms about this), but hey, at least it's been addressed quickly. New footage releasing in a couple of hours, can't wait!
new footage? where can i see this!!!!!!
@bub Soon, within the next hour, i think. No doubt it will be posted here straight away anyway, so just keep N4G open. Hopefully we can get the direct feed footage from Gamersyde, YouTube footage just won't cut it with this game!
You see no other gaming company can ever compete with Sony because of stuff like this. They are just masters at listening to what people want and are going to generate tons and tons of good will before controversys even have a time to grow.
It was simply badly formulated first time...
Honestly I think this was a form of experimentation on Sony's part. Testing the waters, shall we say. Not the safest route for sure...
I guess that what happens when your every word is put under the microscope of the internet. Proportions are blown up and assumptions are made, stuff like that happens... I guess. Gateway MT6706 2008
The demand to keep the game you paid $50 for is a reasonable demand and I'm glad to see the fanbase is willing to fight back. Its very simple, companies try to get as much as they can from us. And we try to get as much as we can from them. But if you paid for the content, it should be yours.
Eonjay, yep. They don't pay any of our bills. . Respect them but never put your guard all the way down or give em lube. Keep them on their toes.
@Eonjay All it took was an edit to throw people into a tailspin. I think... sometimes they get a kick out of seeing the reactions. Heck, it's part of reason we see outlandish headlines all the time on n4g. Priceless reactions... and all that other stuff. Gateway MT6706 2008
Sony is a fabulous technology and entertainment company and they have been my favorite in gaming for years. That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do, least of all when it comes to the ownership of my digital content. I'm proud of my fellow fans for being able to speak out against what they feel is an unfair decision on Sony's part.
And we are back. It's great at times like this we can get companies to reverse stupid decisions.
That's the power of social media. Great news!
Social media and very passionate fans. :)
#4ThePlayers!! Twitter campaign worked! I think now that Francis will love Driveclub! Well, don't forget. Today new gameplay video will be shown. EDIT ( from Twitter ) : Luke Karmali [email protected] If you're interested in Driveclub, keep your eyes on @IGN in about three hours time. Big stuff happening.
Funny how now one complained about Outlast or Bioshock Infinite, or any other PS+ free game for that matter that has paid DLC. Glad people can now find something else to whine about.
Not really DLC tho is it, it's an upgrade to a full game that was potentially being tied to you having a PS Plus sub. However, why anyone would not have a ps plus sub if they have ps4 is beyond me anyway, but still...
You can call it an upgrade. You can call it DLC. Bioshock Infinate has over $30 worth of Upggrade/DLC. If you have the PS+ version and you buy all the DLC you won't be able to play it until you either re-activate your sub or buy the retail version of the game. But I agree. Why have a PS4 without PS+.
@amnalehu PS+ is a game renting system. The cheapest I know unless you borrow the game from a friend. If you give back your rented game you can't play DLC as well. Here we are talking about an upgrade to a full game. Imagine a renting service that allows you to pay a fee to get the full version and keep it.
You know damned well why everyone went up in arms. Sure as hell werent the playstation fans like the rock. The rock may have the millions "And Millions" but the great one is and always will be. One of the players
Nobody complained because that's completelt different. Smarten up.
This isn't the same thing at all. If you buy DLC for a game you got free on PS+, you still keep the DLC when your sub ends, you just have to buy the game to use it.
Exactly. You can call it flowers growing in the snow. Its money spent on something you can't use unless you maintain your subscription. In that regard, its no different from any other game where you can pay for additional content. Like Lazyeye79 says, you still keep your DLC (or what ever you choose to call it) when your sub ends, you just have to BUY the game to use it. It's all a moot point now with regard to DC but the same issue remains with Outlast, Bioshock 2, Bioshock Infinite, and any other PS+ game that does or will offer PAID content.
@ Amnalehu Contrary to what you believe, they're completely different situations. For starters, if you were to buy say BioShock Infinite's DLC and let your Plus lapse, then you can simply buy the game and the content would work again. However, the content in DriveClub isn't DLC, but the game itself, so buying the physical version would just be more money to remain on square one, since PS+ edition and the upgrade are equivalent to the physical version. The other main issue wasn't the policy per se, but the cost. I think many people would be okay with a PlayStation Plus locked version if the DLC was in the $10 - $15 range (giving you a $40 dollars savings), versus $50, as I can easily preorder the physical version (without any restrictions) for $50 today or simply wait a few weeks to get the game for less or just pay the $10 for the freedom to do whatever I want. Savings is important, but trading $10 dollars for an extremely restrictive item is not a deal.
Its not the same thing. If you bought DLC for a "free" PS+ game you only get what's coming to you.
That's not a huge deal though. PS+ gives you a lot of benefits, so I cannot see why someone wouldn't want to resubscribe each year and keep those games. Plus, can't you buy a more permanent license when it's on sale anyway?
It's clear you don't know the difference between an upgrade and DLC.
Dat 180 :), good to see Sony own up to there anti consumer mistake!
That's smart, every company should do this more often instant 180's not delayed one!
Very glad Sony and MS realized their mistakes prior to release rather than a delay after launch
Everyone thinks they fixed a problem when it was just a simple communication issue. Lol jabroni's
Read the blog post. It wasn't miscommunication.
Lol i know i wanted to see how many people actually read the article. Still better than not allowing used games on bad hardware so they could get away with half assing. Yes as you can tell i adore the xbox
Hmmm no..... You don't just go making a high quality production video stating the same thing and re state the same thing multiple times aster that and have the director edit his old post from last year for it to *miscommuntion*.
To be fair, a lot of this has to do with lazy / bad reporting when this issue was just starting to circulate. For instance, one of the first articles I saw on the issue was from GimmieGimmieGames ( http://gimmegimmegames.com/... ) and the only proof that article had was a sentence from the blog post and a comment by Chris Brown. Considering Chris Brown also wrote the blog post in question ( http://blog.eu.playstation.... ) and the upgrade program made no sense, it's easy to believe people would write this off as "miscommunication," like I did.
Driveclub gamplay being uploaded to IGN in less then 2 hours http://i.imgur.com/JXvJpRm....
I really hope Gamersyde get hold of the footage too. IGN aren't going to be able to show it off at it's best.
@Gribble I <3 Gamersyde. They give the best example of how the game will look on your console.
@TheRocksStrudle Do you know exactly how annoying you are?? OT Great news for PS+/Driveclub! ..and it didn't take long to resolve at all :)
I don't think he cares.
Sony listens to fans since before PS4 was announced. Still at it. Thanks Sony. much appreciated.
I actually agree with everything that guy said in that video.
Can't believe Xbox One (fanboys, not the sensible X1 gamers) users have jumped into a PS4/Driveclub article just to reiterate and overstate 180 crap and the whole '....oh see how Sony fanboys reacted to Xbox DRM?'... Get a freekin' life!...X1 DRM fiasco is on a totally different level that would have affected all X1 games, not to mention it was over 1 year ago!!?? Seems to me, the only one's keeping the DRM memories alive are the Xbox fanboys themselves. How darn immature/childish does it get???
The thing is Microsoft took a lot of flack for the DRM in Xbox One and it was rightfully deserved. As a Sony fan, Sony does not really deserve a 'thank you' for reversing the decision. Fans should slap Sony's wrist and be like "Now don't ever do that again. >:("
100% agree... Sony did the wrong thing, but what's important now (as should have been with X1 DRM), is that we get on with enjoying our respective consoles and get over it ;)
its still too expensive of an upgrade, imo. as someone who prefers physical discs over downloads, i cant see a reason to download it instead of buy the disc. that said, had the upgrade been $30 or even $40, id have been all over it. instead ill just buy the disc for an extra $10.
Yeah it's ridiculous. At that price just buy the full thing.
... and no one is stopping you from doing so. I understand it could be cheaper but I explained this earlier but now that it isn't attached to PS+ forver, why the hell wouldn't you just save the $10 for something? Maybe a pizza for the day you get Drive Club? I don't know..
Try to look at it from the developers perspective, everyone, I mean almost everyone is treating the PS+ edition as if it is a "discount" or actual "sale" on the game. It is not either, it is an upgrade.
Now if you developed this game, you knew that nearly every PS4 owner already has PS+, how much room do you really have to price a brand new AAA budget game? You really don't have much because if you price the upgrade too low, everyone and their mother will just buy the PS+ edition and barely anyone will buy it retail which I am sure will hurt them. They still want people to pay full price for the game, what developer doesn't want that?
It may seem like an excuse but I try to look at things from all angles. I agree it could be cheaper with the rest of you but at the same time I also can see why a brand new game like this isn't that much cheaper even with upgrading it.
Now it just seems like some of you are nitpicking a bit, now that they have changed it, when you are seriously still not going to take advantage of saving any money? Yea it is a little money but why would pay $60 for something when you could pay $50?
You talk about it as if you care about supporting Evolution Studios, which is what bothers me, if you cared, you would have planned on buying the game full price to begin with is what I am saying.
@silvery youre reading way too much into what i said. like i said, i prefer discs to digital. it has nothing to do with supporting the developer, nor did i say that supporting them was my goal, its just my personal preference. why not save $10? well if i decide that i want to sell the game a while after im done playing it, i can easily make that money back and put it towards the next game i want to play. its really much more simple than your little rant made it out to be. and to make the point opposite of yours, since you brought it up, how many people will not pay for the upgrade? there will be a ton of people who only play the free version. perhaps, tho, they would have bought the upgrade if it had been cheaper
I agree with you that saving 10$ is a good deal, silvery and I might do it if I end up liking Driveclub. It's just that I was expecting the upgrade to be much cheaper.
I'm glad Amazon offered me the retail version DriveClub for 20€ when I preorderd my PS4 :D I canceled my pre-order (for another one with a free game) but still got the DriveClub for the same price left in my orders ^^
I don't see the problem with trying a game out for a while then if you don't mind downloading your game get the rest of the game for $50 instead of the full $60 good deal if you ask me I swear ppl will complain about anything OMG now they letting you try the game out for free then take $10 off if you decide to go ahead and download the whole game what is the world coming to lol.
4 the gamers dammit.
This was always going to be the outcome. Sony have their good guy persona to protect. They will do anything to protect all the goodwill they have built up. Ultimately gamers will win from this.
It's good sony listened to feedback and changed it very soon after instead of waiting until sales numbers came it. Now where's maniac to try to put me in my place?
I don't even see that as an issue in the first place, given all the online integration I'm sure what you could play in that game without PS+.
Shouldn't make a difference really.anyone who buys this for the same price as u.could own a retail copy for from amazon is not even really getting a discount.this digital upgrade price is totally invalid
Don't know why they did this in the first place, as I always thought of the discount to be like a PS+ member exclusive discount. So with all games bought with the PS+ discount, you keep them.
See that is where people are getting confused, which is what I have been saying it was never a discount but just a cheaper price to upgrade the game, there is a difference between discounted games in sale versus an upgrade.
I am not saying you shouldn't still be able to keep it, I am glad that changed but I am saying a lot of you seem to have it confused as if you got the game on sale, just because you have the PS+ edition.
PS+ in all honesty has never worked that way, there are never brand new games in PS+ that are discounted that low and if they are it would probably be about $10-5$ off for a brand new game in PS+. Which isn't any different than this other than the fact you get to keep those but now you get to keep Drive Club also, so.. I don't see much of a difference.
I'm buying the disc even If I have PS+, so wasn't a problem for me in the first place. Even Sony makes mistakes. It's nice to see they're listening to our requests. The PS4 is the console of choice for many out there and they should make sure this stays as it is by making needed changes when the community ask for it.
Its the way it should have been all along. Needless PR nightmare on a ridiculous decision by someone originally.
It wouldn't have made sense any other way. Sometimes you have to wonder how companies really view their consumers. To even suggest that you would lose all access to a product you paid for simply because of a lapse in a supscription that doesn't directly affect all aspects of the game comes across as a bit disrespectful.
Gloviously. I can't believe anyone thought you would pay 50 bucks for a game and then lose it. I always thought it was a misunderstanding.
I'm glad they fixed that. Francis was so mad.
Good that things are back to normal.
Sony listens to our crys.
I am starting to think that perhaps Sony never intended for the game to lapse in the first place and using this to perpetuate the "we listen to the gamers" good will. I know it's a bit tinfoil hat but it would be pretty sneaky.
i think the harm of making themselves look bad in the first place outweighs the benefits of "looking like they listen." take the xbox brand - they backtracked on all the stuff people complained about, but they're still suffering from the initial bad impression. that's a much larger scale example than this is, of course, but it shows that being receptive is not going to win over as many people as the original mistake alienated in the f