Many have accused critics of “being in bed with Naughty Dog;” i.e., being extra lenient when reviewing their games. Is this true?
Hey if they make good games and you have hardly anything to criticize what do you expect. Although I do think that when smaller criticisms come up, like at the time it was coming out Uncharted 3 with how their online turned a little sour compared to how fantastic Uncharted 2's was...nobody wanted to know, until know where your getting more people saying "Yeah...I can see now, I really want it to go back to what Uncharted 2 was like". So I think you could say people have a hard time critisizng them if there IS something wrong but lets face it this is a common thing with respected devs in this industry. Rockstar with the online in GTAV and how Max Payne 3 didn't really feel or look like a Max Payne game Konami (Kojima) with Metal Gear Solid GZ being cut and sold to us for more money Mass Effect 2/3 with how it's turned into a massive over the top action game instead of rataining it's RPG goodness. Halo 4's multiplayer not being good as past Halo games GTA4 being a bit of a letdown and not feeling like a GTA game Super Mario 3D World or Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze being co-op focused games to enjoy with your friends but not including online co-op. Skyward Sword feeling bare bones compared to past Zelda games and what they've offered us. Arkham Origins obviously being a quick cash in before last gen ended. Focusing more on DLC then patches. Skyrim, it won GOTY and Bethesda got Studio of the year but the PS3 version and PC version at the start was a mess. The 1.5 update in Uncharted 2...ND changing something which didn't need to be touched. I could go on Things get hushed up and the more respected the person, franchise or studio the harder it is for people to be honest...especially journalists.
Nice post, brings back memories from when I got blasted when uncharted 3 came out and I was the only one saying it was nowhere near a perfect game and wasn't on par with #2. Gave it a few weeks and I saw people saying what I said word for word. It is hard to trust journalist tho, Always gotta try a game out for yourself
Damn straight. UC3's aiming mechanics were and still are goddamn awful. I have a lot of gripes with that game. I gotta say though, the set pieces were just fantastic and made my jaw drop a little.
I thought that UC3 reminded me a lot of what happened with the sequels to the Matrix. Lots of memorable moments and great set pieces, but strung together with just a schizophrenic plot. UC1 was awesome, UC2 was epic, UC3 was... good but could have been better. I have high hopes that they fix UC4, since it's supposed to look awesome.
IF you single out Uncharted 3's levels they are great on their own but as a whole the game was a bit of a mess and alot of it made little sense I disagree with Mass Effect 2 being an over the 'top action game' that is game of the generation for me and deserves it 96 metascore
That's why I believe in gameplay video more than I believe reviews, if I like what I see then I'll buy it whatever the score is.
could you explain what you mean by "skyward sword feeling bare bones compared to past Zelda games"? I recently forced myself to play it because I hate those motion controls. But then, if you can see over that, it's in my opinion a very nice game, also compared to previous zelda titles.
It's not as open, it's repetitive, it's slow, lot of backtracking, not many things to do. It's a step back from past Zelda games.
I loved Uncharted 3. One of the best games I've played on the PS3 (best being Demon's Souls)
Agree, I enjoyed all three games equally, had a lot of fun, bring on UC4!
I'm not sure what you're talking about with MGSGZ. That is the most heavily criticized MGS game yet. The fact that it existed was a complaint in literally every review I saw for it.
Can't say I disagree with most of this. A game can be amazing and well liked but certainly not exempt from criticism.
Industry wide bias? I thought it was because they just made great games. I seriously couldn't care less what any conspiracy nut says about Naughty Dog, they're a developer who I feel have gotten better through the years and I can't wait to see everything they'll do for this generation!
Naughty Dog has yet to make a bad game post Crash Bandicoot. Until that happens, I see little to no reason to suspect that they still don't have anyone but the best at the helm.
Gamers Developers(DICE awards)(GDC Awards) Game critics All have a big bias towards Naughty Dog. It cant possibly mean that their games are a tier above the rest.
I'm assuming sarcasm, if so *agree*.
Pretty pointless to write an article suggesting something, only to argue against it. Next up... Is Grand Theft Auto V a bad game? Our opinion: No. Click for the full story!
"Pretty pointless to write an article suggesting something, only to argue against it. " Depends what the writer is actually trying to accomplish. In this case we're talking about Video Game Review Headquarters, which is obviously going to have a pro-reviewer slant. Since it's against their interest to post things that could lower reviewer creditability, you can pretty much assume that any question / article from them will paint reviewers in a positive light, regardless of what the reality is. On-Topic Typically when something like this happens, it isn't because critics are "in bed with Naughty Dog" or any of that nonsense, but because sites want to avoid backlash / lose creditability. In fact, this was so important to the EiC of one of the sites I wrote for, that he would edit scores / score his games off what he thought other sites would give it or off what he thought the fans wanted to see. I can get into a whole thing about this, though I'll just end it here.
"Depends what the writer is actually trying to accomplish. In this case we're talking about Video Game Review Headquarters, which is obviously going to have a pro-reviewer slant. Since it's against their interest to post things that could lower reviewer creditability, you can pretty much assume that any question / article from them will paint reviewers in a positive light, regardless of what the reality is." This is a lie. One thing we don't need is gamers trying to tell us what we're about. One of the first op-ed pieces written asked the community to express their opinion as to how critics should improve. VGRHQ is about honoring great critics for their hard work, which nobody ever does. People like you tend to just run them down every chance they get. But it's also about addressing the entire process of game reviewing. There's no turning a blind eye to anything; it's about discussing things. We'd appreciate you not telling everyone what we do when you don't even bother to read the articles and understand the site yourself. It also sounds like you wrote for a crap source because there are no EIC's of legitimate sources who would do what he did. That's hardly professional and by the way, hardly common.
@ VGRHQCrew I could write a long winded post about why I disagree with a lot of your points, but your comment ultimately just proves my point. All I said in my original comment is that VGRHQ has a pro-reviewer slant, that I believe a some "critics" succumb to peer pressure and that one site I wrote for actually did this. How do you reply? You claim my pro-review slant statement is a lie, though you go on to say "VGRHQ is about honoring great critics for their hard work," which is a completely positive statement and doesn't actually refute my point (I would argue it actually proves it, though thats not really important). Followed by spending the rest of your post trying to lower my creditability, just because I said something negative about critics / reviewers, which again, makes me question why you're calling my "pro-reviewer slant" a lie. I mean, if "there's no turning a blind eye to anything; it's about discussing things," why are you so adamant about shutting me up?
they made Jak and dexter which was awesome. Before than it was Crash(which i hope sony buys back) But they really stepped their game up with Uncharted 1. UC2 was the best game of last Generation till the last of us. Before TLOU we got UC3 which was stellar so media's darling or just a damn good development studio. Kojima RS ND Vavle in no order
Nintendo takes up 5/10 highest rated games on Metacritic for individual games (ie Grand Theft Auto IV and V takes up two slots each, one for each PS3 and Xbox 360 version, so just combine them into one version). ND's highest rated game is Uncharted 2, at a 96. That's only one game.
They produce quality products and deserve at least a 9/10 for just being highly polished.
Well to be fair polish only gets you so far. A game needs to be well designed, look reasonably nice and appealing and have incentive to keep playing it. ND games often have these things. :)
maybe before crying they should see the games ND are making compared to the other crap coming from big game companies. uncharted, uncharted2, unchated 3, last of us are all top rated games because they were all brilliant that kept on improving on the previous ones. now lets take a look at call of duty for example. annual releases with slight improvements and few multiplayer updates that could possibly be patched into the older game instead.
ND games are fabulous, but I don't think the fact that ND made them makes them inherently better than other games. They're good games because they are good games. You shouldn't even have to compare an Uncharted game or TLOU to Call of Duty.
I think it is more the case that they simply make outstanding games and people recognize it. Of course, as with any highly successful thing, you will get your detractors that are overly harsh and your worshipers that want to overlook any fault, but by and large their success and praise is well warranted.
I would argue that the media's darlings are, in no particular order: Rockstar Naughty Dog Valve Kojima But they are the darlings because they are well respected and make amazing games
Seriously? What's this? A development studio that comes up with great games every year and ups the graphical standards with every game and wins GOTY'S every year and technical achievement awards, what do you expect?? This studio compared to others is almost flawless!! 4 games last gen, 2 franchises, each technically better than the last, all won GOTYS.
Great devs make great games although there is a certain extent to which people overlook a few issues (GTA Online for example). But that is because the good usually far outweighs the bad.
Lenient? Bollocks! They get the accolades they get because they make stellar games, that raise the bar in graphics, gameplay and emotional cinematic story telling that most devs will never dev get to the level of. The day Naughty Dog ever release a game that's simply just good, and not goty level you will see the gloves come off as journalist and haters alike are lining up to cut an inch off the tall poppy. Many would do it now if they could, it's just that ND has given them to cause to.
The praise is well deserved, ND makes awesome games. But so does Rockstar, Irrational, Bioware, and Bethesda. Sure some of their games aren't as polished as any ND game but they've been some of the greatest games ever made. I have to mention Projekt RED as well. If The Witcher 3 turns out right it could become one of the greatest RPG's of all time.
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They're not the only critic's darling... Irrational, Rockstar north, Bethesda softworks, Nintendo EAD etc always get over 90s
Irrational is history now. Rockstar North takes their sweet time putting out games, so the quality is always there. Bethesda actually gets ripped out more often than not after their new game is released as they typically are buggy. Nintendo...speaks for itself there. I think EA & Activision, despite any criticism they receive are always the critic's darlings...this is proven each year with COD & Battlefield releases. Despite the harsh criticism, people still praise those titles and they sell, so it is an endless cycle. I didn't disagree with you, but I do think there are other companies that get a lot more praising that they may not deserve.
I agree you're right. I was just trying to make the point that naughty dog isn't the only darling in the eyes of the critics there's many more.
Naughty dog are great developers that make great games. Truth.
More like an opinion, but a very widely accepted and agreed upon opinion. ;)
Rockstar is the darling in my opinion. They get automatic 10s it seems. Remember the infamous "we can't go on with the review" for GTO from IGN. Yet they was comfortable attacking Sim City etc. GTA IV got 10s when most gamers now look back at that one with shame. Almost like R* can do no wrong. Rockstar still haven't release the heist for GTO, but they continue to have apologist defending them. With that being said they do make solid games so perhaps that respect is earned. ND makes great games. I don't think they're the critics darling, but I do think their past games been so good that they painted themselves into a scary corner. Expectations from them will always be high and perhaps unrealistically so. Their challenge now is how do they meet expectations?
Who knows whether they're in bed with critics so to speak, Naughty Dog games are amazing, I remember buying uncharted for the first time when it came out, after popping that into my new PS3 I was enthralled with the story line and my jaw dropped at the amazing graphics, I remember I kept showing people how when Nathan Drake went into the water he actually came out looking wet, I kept making him jump into the water, dry off, then jump back in just to watch how awesome the effects were. I love ND games and really can't wait for Uncharted 4, as long as they follow the path they were originally heading in with Uncharted 2, a sequel whereas sequels usually suck but that wound up being one of my top favorite games of all times, so when Uncharted 2 came out I only though ND was heading for something spectacular, Uncharted 3 was a good game, but it didn't capture that essence that 1 & 2 had, games that created a whole new level of awe-inspiring movie like experiences and I truly hope Uncharted 4 can recapture that essence and give us something gorgeous that improves and furthers on Uncharted 2.
No, their games are just better than most others in the SP department and compete well in the MP department as well. Many devs could learn from ND prowess in creating quality story driven games while providing competent and deep MP. They're just one of the most talented devs in the industry, plain and simple. Last of Us was brilliant. I've never heard so many people, even gamers that play online FPS/Sports 99% of the time, say it was the best game they've ever played.
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