Team Meat's Tommy Refenes doesn't see how the Wii U can compete with other next-gen consoles.
It's keeping ahead of the Bone so why count it out? Not like Nintendo hasn't made come backs before.
You forgot to mention the wii u has been out a year longer than the xbox one has plus the xbox one has outsold the wii u every week since it launched. Yes nintendo can make a comeback but its going to take a lot.
So what if it's been out longer? People have been trying to use that reasoning in defense of the PS360 before now too, and for some strange reason I don't see many downvotes in those instances, so it makes me wonder, why should it apply here? Just because it's Nintendo? I say that the length of time it's been out doesn't change the significance of the fact that its library is really damned decent now. Especially with native backwards compatibility beefing up its library on top of the upcoming releases everyone is expecting for it.
@wonderfulmonkeyman 6 years vs 7 years is not the save as 6 months vs 18 months. For comparisons sake 360 has been out 1.16 times longer than PS3, where as Wii U has been out for 3 times as long. I'm not sticking up for Xbone or anything, but they are not a fair comparison.
wonderfulmonkeyman ps3 caught up to xbox360 and passed it with one less year in the USA and 1.5 years in Europe. xbox one came out a year after wiiu and has outsold it every week like ps3 did to xbox360 it matters because atleast MS built a strong lead infront of the PS3 to where it took PS3 good 6-7 years to catch up to xbox360. And launching early gave MS every territory all to them self. They took the USA market from sony 1-nintendo hasn't done anything 2-they can't/won't get 3rd party support 3-where are the big games? 4-their online system still sucks compared to xbox live/psn(its like nintendo didn't pay attention to how sony started psn to compate with xbox live. ) so yes it matters that a system comes out a year before another yet can't show any results
@ Annus But both the PS4 and XBone supposedly have many more developers supporting them. If that's true, shouldn't they have caught up in number of games by now, by virtue of having many more developers? Yet they haven't, so unless the amount of devs they have compared to the devs making games for the Wii U, has been extremely exaggerated, I think that it makes the comparison much more fair. @ Showtime 1-Nintendo hasn't done anything as far as advertisement, you mean. 2- They have/are getting third party support. Like it or not, smaller devs and indies count towards that total, and the Wii U has got quite a bit coming to it. AAA isn't the only kind of third party support that matters. End of. 3- Later in coming than they should be, but coming nonetheless. 4- Really? Why? Because no free games? It's got great stability, has finally ditched friend codes, and is totally free. All it really needs to be comparable is better lobbies, more usage of in-game chat, and some sort of achievement system.[which Stamps could cover, and actually be better than the others, since you can actually USE stamps instead of just use them to compare E-peens and nothing else]
Let's face it, we all know wiiu is just gonna be another gamecube. It may have a few good games here and there but there is no way it's gonna last or succeed anywhere near the ps4 or even the xbone.
@Army_of_Darkness "we all know wiiu is just gonna be another gamecube." I hope so.
@wonderfulmonkeyman none of your arguments make even the remotest sense. PS4 & Xbox One will surpass Wii U in all sales categories sooner rather than later, and the Wii U will never catch up. it's beyond the point of revival. you can defend it all you want but it is a failure man, deal with it...
The gamecube gave me waaaay more enjoyment than the wii ever did. Take from that what you will... I still have my double dash.
and "a lot" MUST mean a new console
Nah, you all can come out and try to make the xbox one better, but it wont change the fact, that the xbox one is a more expensive and worse version of a PS4. That is why at the end of the day, the Xbox One will be forgotten about, but not the Wii U. Nintendo actually has a lot to offer themselves, what does MS have, besides Halo? Exactly, not much.
I see a lot of opinions stated as facts here. Of course the media and pop gamers can't see the wiiu coming back. They are not really gamers and don't like great gameplay. They simply work or play games from the video game industry and simply don't understand how that could even be possible for nintendo to make a come back with inferior hardware. I could state that you where all wrong with the vita and 3ds and pspgo. You where even wrong about the xbone..... 6 million sales after that pr fiasco?! In the end we will see who's opinions are right and who was wrong. In the end it doesn't matter because I don't think this website is getting any hits from that 20 million mariokart fanbase.
@ Crischi1988 i didn't even mention the ps4 seems you're a sensitive fanboy you should get over yourself.
wonderfulmonkeyman + 20h ago "So what if it's been out longer?" It matters because the WiiU has lost any momentum that it had when it released. The WiiU is performing worse than the Dreamcast did, so it's only a matter of time before Nintendo discontinues the WiiU. I've been saying this from the beginning because it was obvious that it wasn't going to succeed for these reasons: - 8GB and 32GB Hard Drives only (people don't want to spend the extra money on an external HDD). - Price point of $299.00(8GB) and $349.00(32GB). There wasn't much incentive to buy this console when the PS3 and 360 were both much cheaper and had huge libraries of games to choose from. - The WiiU hardware isn't all that much more powerful than the PS3 or the 360. - Small launch line-up of games, and very little 3rd party support. - The touch-screen controller didn't appeal to many hardcore gamers, and the casual audience doesn't see the social aspect like they did with the introduction of the Wiimote. I received all kinds of disagree votes and negative comments for my assessment of the WiiU back when it launched, all because of pure fanboyism, and little to no objective conversation from the Nintendo crowd. I was calling the WiiU the 'Dreamcast 2", and it looks like I was pretty accurate with that description. Canada.com: Press Start: Sega’s failed Dreamcast console has actually outsold Nintendo’s Wii U (sort of) http://o.canada.com/technol...
I see this gen being close between wii u and xb1, with ps4 a good ways ahead, close to both others combined. I know a lot of people will disagree with the assumption that wii u will get close to xb1 numbers, however currently wii u is about 1.8 mil ahead of xb1, and with current sale rates(that are diminishing) it will take several months before xb1 can possibly catch up. xb1 and sony both have had some big games hit recently(titanfall, final fantasy, infamous) yet i haven't seen big sales jumps from which, while i KNOW wii u will receive a nice jump from mk8. Its EASILY the most anticipated game right now. Furthermore, i dont see much in xb1 future, unless mega announcments are made at e3. Admittedly, Nintendo has done HORRIBLE this gen, and im a early adopter. But we all know what happens when games like Mario kart, Zelda, super smash bros, metroid, and so on come out, they sell....well. With the recent nintendo directs being ultra big(buzz wise), this only furthers the notion that they mark the time when wii u starts to sell. My god, when the smash bro direct happened, the entire gaming world gawked for days about it. Even youtube personalities that dont usually talk about game announcments made videos about it. Including blackbonds corny ass. (who hates nintendo). But ofcoarse, i know, im just another delusional nintendo fanboy, but lets all be real here, microsoft hasnt fared much better than nintendo this gen so far.
Wow, kinda sad to see the changes in the times. A few years ago I was commenting to a friend that while Nintendo will always hold a place in my heart, they need to give more to their maturing fans than nostalgia. I hope they are able to pull it together, it would really be a true loss to the industry to see nintendo go.
If they end up going, then it'll be more than a few decades from now. They're stacked.
If the Wii-U flops it won't be the end of Nintendo.
It won't but it doesn't change the fact that the console still flopped. At the end of the day if the main demographic is happy then all power to them. But just know that speaking up can go a long way. Sony and Microsoft knows it. Beign passive will get no one anywhere.
@dboyc310 It's been out for less then two years, i remember when people were saying the PS3 was doomed in its first years. They have a 1 year plan to advertise the system with MK8 as the flagship which they've done a good job so far with hyping, it's too early to call it a flop.
"they've done a good job so far with hyping" Well it's done its job with me. Mines coming tomorrow :D
I could not agree more. What bothers me the most really, is them trying way too hard to raise children instead of letting their parents handle that and their outdated account system. I mean the 3DS is basically useless from a social perspective now, that is just taking it too far in my opinion. Even Miiverse is a little too strict at times.. I couldn't stop laughing at the fact that Shuhei Yoshida has been banned twice from Miiverse for such stupidly simple things. They just need to give people more options. The way the go about things isn't right. Just because Nintendo feels that way doesn't mean every consumer they have should be forced to also. It sucks, it really does. I mean it is just a little messed up, I get they want to have a clean environment for their user base but they can still do that without being so strict about everything. It isn't their job to keep track of what every person is doing. Also why on earth do I need a completely different account for things like Club Nintendo? Makes no sense and it will only create more problems later when they finally get around to merging everything, making it fully account based. Then you have the NNID which was supposed to make things better but it did nothing but merge your Wii U and 3DS account. Everything is still attached to the hardware which is just crazy. I couldn't even imagine being someone who got their stuff stolen and just being SOL because of this.. Tons of money spent on games they will never see again. I mean seriously what kind of shit is that? So it's your customers fault your account system is outdated? It is just so odd that Nintendo chooses to stay so behind the times with certain things like this as it is far from new anywhere. I love them to death but they are very stubborn, I don't get it. So sorry to rant but those two things really bother me about Nintendo.
The wii u simply isn't in the same category as the ps4 and xbone. They are usually the one doing there thing while Sony and Microsoft battle it out for the same demographic. I never thought of Nintendo as a rival to Sony or Microsoft. Sony has even stated that Nintendo isn't a competitor to them which I fully agree.
Well then Nintendo needs competition lol maybe a Disney console
Hahaha a Disney Console
So when they do day 1 DLC on that console's games, we can all shout "That's Disney Evil!" with absolutely no shame, right?XD
It's not competing with either console. It was never meant to. Nintendo follows the blue ocean strategy and exists in their own market. See third parties, this is why your games don't sell as well on Nintendo hardware. It's because you don't get it.
And when the Wii U's sales finally do pick up, watch the shock flood over people who can't bring themselves to imagine it now. I'm just glad the system's library is so much bigger now, and that there's a lot of games promised in the near future that will be worth owning on it. Also, that statement about the Wii U not having third party support? Only true if you don't count indies and smaller third parties, and only pay attention to AAA releases like Witcher 3. As I said, the library is growing at a pretty nice clip... Edit: Wow, disagrees already. How shocking.../s Come on; if you've got a point to make, speak up, because otherwise, you know I've got a point. Or, you would, if you disagreeing people did some research into the system's library instead of assuming it's got nothing due to not having every single AAA multiplat.
Dude, just stop who are you trying to convince? The numbers don't lie WiiU has been performing badly ever since it was released. Nintendo needs a miracle to turn the WiiU around hopefully Smash or the the next Zelda do the system justice ;)
So please explain how Wii U will magically start picking up sales? Yes Mariokart 8 will boost sales NO it will not be a long time affect.What you fail to understand with out those AAA thirdparty offerings Nintendo is only catering to the fans like you.Wii U is a failure Nintendo knows it we know it Nintendo fans just don't want to admit to the facts.But I agree it has a good amount of games but that should be obvious considering its been out longer than the competition not rocket science. I never said they couldn't try but thats my point they haven't tried they are on the same boat they have been on for years not relying on thirdparty support.The way things are I feel its a little too late I don't think anyone really interested in it either people by it for a Zelda,Mario etc or they will wait for it to be cheaper than it is now.
There's no magic about it; it will start picking up in sales the moment Nintendo pulls their heads out of the sand and starts advertising it properly so that the hype for it builds up. The right advertisement creates hype, and hype sells. PS4 proves this. The reversal in XBone's policies proves this. If you really think Nintendo cannot replicate that with the right advertisement, then you're simply not giving them fair credit. The games it is getting in the near future are more than good enough to get it selling, if Nintendo advertises them properly, even without AAA third party multiplat ports.
Hype truly does sell consoles. PS4 is using glorified tablet innards, but is laughably marketed as something that can stand toe to toe with gaming PCs. The best part is that people actually swallow that crap, believing all the hype, and everything their Sony gods tell them to believe.
Please explain to me how nintendo failed me as a fanAnd dont start with sales, i care nothing for them i dont own stocks. I have a new pikmin since the GameCube I got a new donkey kong country I got 2 mario games Mario kart 8 on the way Wondeful 101 A new smash bros this year With even more to come So im sorry but i have no idea how nintendo failed me I couldnt be happier
Things that will boost Wii U sales: Zelda, Smash Bros, X, Metroid, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem (Two BIG RPG series), Miyamoto's new IP, whatever Retro makes, Fatal Frame IV (It's small but devoted fanbase will move consoles).
I know you are out of bubbles, but I feel the urge to try to talk some sense into you. The idea that one or two games plus some marketing is all it will take to turn the Wii U around is, quite frankly, an absurd notion. Why was Super Mario 3D Land, a game universally loved and had good advertising (for Nintendo), not enough to bring Wii U sales out of the dumps? It's because the Wii U has virtually no appeal outside of the core Nintendo fanbase. That's not to say it doesn't have really good games - it absolutely does - but sadly it takes a lot more than that for a console to be successful these days. When it launched, it was unclear if it was even more powerful than its 6-7 year old competitor's consoles. Yet it cost more than a Xbox 360 and more than a PS3. It launched without key features and an overall slow and buggy OS and an antiquated account/general online infrastructure. It had a GamePad that had very few games to show off why it can be better than a traditional gamepad - and to this day it doesn't have many games that do that. Plus, like most console launches, after the initial lineup of games it was a wasteland until the last half of last year. With the PS4 and Xbox One, third party games mitigate the lack of exclusive games; but with the Wii U, there was almost literally nothing new to play. But even if you or another person disagrees with all of that it's irrelevant because the consumers have spoken. The sales for the Wii U have been dreadful. Not PS3 bad, which actually wasn't that bad (the Xbox 360 was just doing really well), but legitimately bad to the point where - like the Vita - many retailers began drastically scaling down space once dedicated to Wii U games and accessories. This is the reason why it is virtually impossible for the Wii U to stage some miraculous comeback. When people walk into GameStop or BestBuy or Wal-Mart, there might not even be a section with Wii U games; and if there is it might be one small section in the corner. This does not breed consumer confidence. This does not make people want to buy a Wii U. And to exacerbate the issue, Nintendo isn't doing a traditional press conference at E3. Now, there has been debate over if it is a bad idea or not, and if it is a bad idea is it even that big of an issue. But I promise you that the people Nintendo NEEDS to reach, I.E. not the Nintendo fans who will tune into an E3 edition of Nintendo Direct, will not get any sense of hype for the Wii U. Sure, if a new Zelda game is announced they will hear about it. They will know about Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. But that isn't going to be enough to gain so much traction that the Wii U will go from very little to no store shelf space to once again having its place. I mean, if Microsoft and Sony have absolutely nothing interesting at E3 maybe, just maybe the Wii U will have one respectable year. That's it. (And I think both Sony and Microsoft will have very impressive showings). I know it sounds like I'm being harsh, and I do get frustrated with almost every post I make on a Nintendo article being cynical. However, I would rather be cynical and speak loudly in an attempt to get the core Nintendo fans to demand more from Nintendo than to pretend like everything will be OK. I don't want to turn this into a Nintendoomed. All I want is for people to be reasonable concerning Nintendo. The Wii U is absolutely a dud, and unless people voice what Nintendo did wrong and what they want in their next console Nintendo's next home console might be as underwhelming as the Wii U is. Feel free to PM me if you want to have a discussion on this topic.
"However, I would rather be cynical and speak loudly in an attempt to get the core Nintendo fans to demand more from Nintendo than to pretend like everything will be OK." This I would agree with, but it seems the issues you're talking about are not as relevant as others. The E3 issue? People are going to report on all of that anyway. That news is going to reach gamers no matter what you think will happen. "This does not make people want to buy a Wii U." Isn't that what games are for? "but I feel the urge to try to talk some sense into you." If you were going to make an intellectual and respectful retort, you probably should not have started with condescension.
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I think that having third party support on Wii U wouldn't do much. If you told a PS4 owner that he could play Destiny on Wii U, he'd say "I don't care, because the PS4 version has better graphics and online (Btw, if the devs make the online good, it'll play the same online wise on Wii U), and my friends will play the PS4 version." Also, Third Party Support will always be dead on Nintendo platforms unless they become carbon copies of Sony/Microsoft. I'm just going to enjoy the killer exclusive lineup that Wii U is making this gen, along with whatever multiplats and indies come.
"I think that having third party support on Wii U wouldn't do much. If you told a PS4 owner that he could play Destiny on Wii U, he'd say "I don't care, because the PS4 version has better graphics and online (Btw, if the devs make the online good, it'll play the same online wise on Wii U), and my friends will play the PS4 version."' This is true. For a few generations now most third party games have struggled on Nintendo consoles. At first it was the whole cartridge/proprietary disc issue. Then it was, and is, a much weaker console. Quite frankly it is too late for the Wii U. However, unless Nintendo can create the perfect console to leverage their IP's and is cheap enough to make a reasonable profit (which is a very difficult task, IMO), then Nintendo needs to change this stigma about third party games on their console. If they continue down the path they are on, then the AAA third party games aren't going to be compatible with their plans - it is a risky but legitimate strategy. But if they plan to make a console that has relative feature and power parity with what Sony and Microsoft will offer next generation, then they must get third party games on their system and find a way to erase the stigma attached. Either way, it's a tough road ahead.
The N64 was the last bit of home console hardware that actually contributed anything unique and meaningful to Nintendo's software potential. Gamecube was basically PS2/Xbox without a DVD player. Wii and Wiiu, well they just kind of said to heck with Sony and Microsoft and decided to pretend that they were the only people in the video game business. It worked (financially) for the Wii, not so much so far with the WiiU. Since the N64 Nintendo first party efforts have been amazing in spite of Nintendo's hardware decisions, not as a result of them. With the exception of Wii Sports of course. Wii Sports was basically the entire sum of what Wii could offer on any meanigful level. Unfortunately.
In other news this man was completely mystified when the Wii was killing the PS3 and the 360.
I don't have a WiiU yet but I'll get one for two games: Bayonetta 2 and Super Smash Bros U. An overwhelming majority of 3rd parties games lose money on Nintendo platforms. Nintendo has to acquire development studios unless Satoru wants exit the home console market. Platinum Games is where Nintendo should start and they shouldn't stop there. More studios make more exclusive games, which leads to more sales. That's my analysis. What do you think?
I agree that Nintendo isn't likely to be able to compete with the PS4 and Xbox One head-on, but Tom thinks that Nintendo is finished. Seriously, he said this: "3DS is the only thing that is doing well at Nintendo right now, but it’s still not enough to save them." I have a lot of trouble believing this, as you'd have to be insane to think that this one console will sink Nintendo, especially with the 3DS still selling bank. I understand that the Wii U is struggling to compete. Is it going to get first place? Probably not, but since when does not being in first instantly mean a company is worthless? Tom heavily implies that Nintendo's worthless, especially when he says the 3DS isn't worth enough to keep Nintendo relevant or alive. In the meantime, Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros. U will be good. If you want to play those games, go for it.
Nintendo's stock value, since January 2014, has dropped 22.5% to date. The WiiU cannibalizes more money than little profit that 3DS brings with each handheld sold. Am I right? All of their expenses(Salary, Marketing, etc)is a detriment added to their net loss. Nintendo can't sell WiiUs to casuals because they belong to Apple. It's unfortunate, but Apple's success has hurt a lot of other corporations as well, in fact all three: Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. Unless Nintendo gets a new CEO, like Reggie, Satoru will force Nintendo out the home console market, unless he ends the WiiU console cycle early in 2015 or 2016 at the latest and starts over. "Tom heavily implies that Nintendo's worthless" because 3rd parties lose money making games for Nintendo platforms, thus their abandonment. For example, you'd be hard press to think of any console surviving a generation without EA. I don't know why, but when EA abandons a console, death comes. Just imagine for a moment, EA titles being exclusive to one console, say Xbox One. Xbox One would annihilate the PS4. NFL, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Battlefield, FIFA, and other titles would level Sony. For business, it's only about profits and Nintendo will follow the money with more exclusives, starting over early, or exiting the home console market. What do you think?
People who say Nintendo is in any immediate risk are, quite frankly, idiots. However, there are a lot of legitimately concerning trends and longtime issues that don't have readily apparent answers in conjunction with what we know about Nintendo and their plans. Every Nintendo home console has sold fewer units than the last. With each new console generation, Nintendo seems become more out of touch with the modern consumer. Even the handheld market, which have given Nintendo their primary successes, is clearly shrinking due to the mobile/tablet market. To sum it up: Nintendo home console have become increasingly irrelevant, and the Wii U is a testament to that fact. How can Nintendo fix that trend? Furthermore, if the erosion of their biggest market continues, how can they regain footing - or, can a more moderate mobile market be enough to sustain the company if it continues to flounder in the home console sector. That is why there is a lot of cynicism towards Nintendo's future. Sure, if their next batch of home and handheld consoles solve those problems then we will look back an laugh at how foolish we were in writing Nintendo off. However, until we get some sort of reason to believe Nintendo will find the answers to those problems besides blind faith in the company I feel it's perfectly justified to be skeptical concerning the company's future.
Based on your comments, you seem to agree with Tom that Nintendo's worthless. If you disagree, say it, because you're not making a case otherwise. But trust me: they're not worthless. And while I understand EA's power in the industry, they are the reason that the third-party AAA market is on life support. They (along with Activision) have inflated game budgets to stupidly high levels, causing the death of B games and the erosion of AAA games. They are the reason that cookie-cutter sequels are appearing every single year, developers are closing shop left and right, and why the game industry is heading for a full-on crash. And like I said, profits are not 100% of the ideology. Sony proved that with the PS3. Nintendo proved that with the 3DS at launch. Why else is Microsoft doing so badly against the PS4? They're selling their system, but people are going after the system from the company that is routinely losing money. Reputation is a big, freakin' deal. Finally, throw the stats at me all you want, but right now, you need to understand that gaming isn't solely a numbers game. You want to know why Pachter's been wrong so much? Because he doesn't understand the gaming world. He's an analyst, so he understands numbers, but not where they come from or why they appear. To succeed in that role, you need to be involved. I don't like chewing this stuff out, but the gaming culture is a very unique one. The unexpected has happened routinely, especially in the last decade, so I say chill and see what happens. I firmly predict that Nintendo will still be in that picture, whether you like it or not.
We disagree. I believe in numbers and you believe in Nintendo. You love Nintendo and it's understandable but numbers don't lie. When Nintendo Wii was selling too well, there was a reason for it, right? They're last console was Gamecube and this gen is WiiU but the Wii sold incredibly. Nintendo can no longer stand on it's own without 3rd parties in the home console space. Gamecube and the WiiU sales demosntrate this. Nintendo games are mostly the only games that sell well on Nintendo platform. Right? I believe, unless they're creating "MANY" hardcore exclusives for E3 2014 or a new console for 2016 or 2017 to end the WiiU early, they'll replace Satoru or exit this space. The WiiU price drop doesn't work. Nonetheless, you've never answered any of my questions, you just commented on them. Am I wrong?(Will you answer my question(s) or just comment? Think about it.) "EA's power in the industry, they are the reason that the third-party AAA market is on life support. They (along with Activision) have inflated game budgets to stupidly high levels, causing the death of B games and the erosion of AAA games" Yes or No. EA/Activision control or influence the budget of outside studios and publishers? Are games expensive to create? "...profits are not 100% of the ideology. Sony proved that with the PS3. Nintendo proved that with the 3DS at launch." I don't understand. Sony sold the more PS3 than Microsoft sold Xbox 360s last generation. The 3DS is selling the most handhelds over the PSVita this generation. You listed the consoles selling/sold the most, yet wrote "profits are not 100% of the ideology". Are they not selling for the largest install base to sell the most software? Do we disagree?(Answer or comment?) "he understands numbers, but not where they come from or why they appear." Don't numbers come from sales? Yes or No?(Will I get an answer or comment to my question) "but the gaming culture is a very unique one." I politely disagree. Businesses sell for profit in every industry. Without profit, businesses adjust to customers or exit that market. Do we disagree(Will I get an answer or comment to my question) "Sony wouldn't have succeeded if Microsoft wasn't kicking their butts..." This doesn't make sense. If Micros was losing, Sony would be winning. When Microsoft was winning, Sony released more exclusives to win because most 3rd parties perform better on Xbox. Sony beat Microsoft, whether winning in the beginning or losing because of head start. Do we disagree? PS. If you don't mind, even though you comments on every question, may you please just answer yes or no, then explain your reasoning. For example, when I disagree with you, I write it out first and you facts to demonstrate my case. My last bubble, so'll I'll PM you to continue. Thanks for the civil conversation.
I don't see how Tommy Refenes can lose any more hair....hahahaha Seriously though, what everyone is to butt-hurt to admit about Nintendo is simply this-they don't and they don't have to, compete with Sony or MS-they are in a league all their own-PERIOD. So go ahead and say blah blah blah about Sony or MS but the truth is and this would be all you Sony and MS fanboys hate to admit or face-is simply this, Nintendo has made enough dough to make as many moves as they want and take their sweet time doing it- BOO-YAH
Why is this under news? Shouldn't it be under opinion?
Who cares? Everyone is so caught up in this "winning", and this whole pulling ahead stuff. Maybe Nintendo doesn't need to do either thing. Maybe just maybe it's OKAY if Nintendo co-exists alongside the other two. I have a Wii U on my desk all the same as my PS4. I jump between them pretty frequently and surprise! I really enjoy both of them for different reasons. If anything though maybe this is good for Nintendo. A hungry Nintendo is a Nintendo more willing to surprise imo.
How is this good for Nintendo? When you have become the laughing stock of the industry and in the eyes of thousands of gamers seen as irrelevant? If anything this path they have taken is what's harming them. ;)
I understand you. However, a public corporation can't just "co-exists alongside the other two" and be out sold month to month. Nintendo's stock value, since January 2014, has dropped 22.5%. Shareholders can't wait to fire Satoru. If I own shares, I'd want him gone or demoted. No offense in the highest order, it's not what you enjoy. For business, it's about profit first and recognition second, in that order. Most corporations will take only profit and forgo recognition. Without good future quarterly profits, Nintendo will exit the home console market, even with as much money as they do have. Shareholders and Satoru won't use up even half of Nintendo cash reserves before exiting because they'll use it for the 3DS and it's next iteration. They'll go where the money is, their 3DS, before allowing the WiiU to eat any significant amount of cash reserve. What do you think about all of my analysis?
"For business, it's about profit first and recognition second, in that order. Most corporations will take only profit and forgo recognition." Sony didn't. Last gen, they earned positive recognition at the cost of profit. They're spending money hand over fist. Gamers love them now, and why wouldn't they? Seriously, that's one of the biggest turnarounds in gaming history. Now, they're selling the most consoles so far this gen. That's a newly positive reputation that's leading to full-on sales, not the other way around. And Nintendo's different, but they're not stupid. It makes zero sense to dive into the war chest and give it to the system that's succeeding and selling millions. That's Business 101. They're not going to exit the console market because of this. If they had any drive to do that, they would've done it at the tail end of the Gamecube era. They'll be fine.
@postmesmeric - yes sony did all those things but the end goal is still to turn a profit. They had a strategy to win gamers trust and hoping to see great sales for ps4, you have to spend money to make money
@PostMesmeric "...they earned positive recognition at the cost of profit." I politely disagree. The PS3 sold well and was sold out when it launched. What cost profits was the cost of bluray in every PS3. Bluray is so common now, it's ludicrous to believe that bluray players were $1000 when introduced to the market. Am I wrong? "Now, they're selling the most consoles so far this gen." Would you disagree with me if I wrote that PS1 and PS2 were also the best selling consoles in they're generations? Would you disagree with me if I wrote that if the Wii wasn't so much cheaper or didn't have casual customers that the PS3 would be the best selling console last gen? My point is that Sony winning the Bluray vs HDDVD war is what cost Sony profits last gen. Do we disagree? "They're not going to exit the console market because of this." I agree, unless Satoru is still Nintendo's CEO, then I disagree. The Wii was a fluke because of casuals gamers and it won't happen again because Apple has them locked within their ecosystem. Do we disagree? No other Nintendo home console has every surpassed 50M shipped/sold. Agreed? Unless Satoru becomes the CEO of gamer's dreams, which I doubt but still hope for, he has to target the hardcore or step down. Do we disagree?
@AKissFromDaddy "The PS3 sold well and was sold out when it launched." Because Sony had terrible restocking rates. They were flat-out unprepared, one of the many mistakes at the PS3 launch. "Would you disagree with me if I wrote that PS1 and PS2 were also the best selling consoles in they're generations?" If you're trying to say that the PS3 would've been best-selling either way, simply because it's a Playstation system, then that's unbelievable. I really hope you remember how badly the PS3 was mocked from Day 1 to the moment Uncharted 2 went gold. Name can get you places, but if you have nothing but bad news elsewhere, it means nothing. "Would you disagree with me if I wrote that if the Wii wasn't so much cheaper or didn't have casual customers that the PS3 would be the best selling console last gen?" You're ignoring a lot of factors here: Microsoft was killing Sony during the first half of the gen. Sony wouldn't have succeeded if Microsoft wasn't kicking their butts enough for them to turn around and fly right. As for the Wii, that's always been Nintendo's thing. The Wii was essentially the console incarnation of Gunpei Yokoi's philosophy for the Game Boy. Would the Wii have still been the best selling system last gen without those factors? I don't think so, but that doesn't mean an instant advantage to #1 for either Sony or Microsoft. They have each other to deal with, hence the other factors. "The Wii was a fluke..." Oh, please, don't bring up this argument. Do you really think the Wii was an accident? Anytime someone says that the Wii was "a fluke" then they're saying that there was absolutely no plan around it. But there was. Was it focused on the core gaming audience? Of course not, and that's why many gamers felt betrayed. It's one thing to say that it went toward another target, but it's just a worthless claim to call it an accident. Nintendo has a long way to go to rebuilding itself back to 100% steam, but Iwata's presidency is not going to magically improve everything. This is a venture that's going to need a lot more than replacing a single person. Whether Iwata's replaced or not, it's not going to be the end of things.
Once more, then I'll let this rest: First-party games are usually what sell best on Nintendo hardware, and while that's easy to pin on Nintendo, not every third-party has been giving the system a legitimate go. EA is incredibly guilty of this, since they released a port of Mass Effect 3 just months before the series trilogy was released on other systems. They didn't try. On the other hand, I can give credit to companies like Ubisoft who actually tried. Aside from Rayman Legends, most of their third-party games have been low in sales on Wii U, so they have credibility and I understand them moving away from Wii U. "Are they not selling for the largest install base to sell the most software? Do we disagree?" No, I don't disagree, but that's not what I was referring to. How do those install bases get so high in the first place? Numbers come from sales, yes, but where do the sales come from? Something has to trigger people's interest in a system; there has to be a moment of consumer revalation for them to buy that system. I want to know that. "Without profit, businesses adjust to customers or exit that market." Big disagree, because not all customers are the same. Two companies can satisfy different facets of a gaming public and still survive. One might survive better than the other, but coexistence is a possibility. There are thousands of niches to sell to. Hell, it's happening right now. Why else would Nippon Ichi still have sales in the West? "Sony beat Microsoft, whether winning in the beginning or losing because of head start." Sony did beat Microsoft, but you're ignoring why. Firstly, 3rd parties are not the stable cornerstone of a system. If they were, then we'd have one console in the market and no more. The reason that anyone buys a system is to get something that they can't get on another; it's the fundamentals of exclusives not only in games, but features. And you're saying that the PS3 had exclusives to rise up, but you just talked about how third-party support is key. And the head-start, while certainly an advantage, wasn't the only factor to the 360's early success. If you had said that PS3 would be the frontrunner last gen when it launched, no one would've believed you, because there was absolutely no evidence of that. Sony needed to look at 360's success and match it, which is what to PSN's revamp and an overall improvement of their system philosophy, not just their games. And look, I understand that you're going after me since I do believe that Nintendo will weather this storm and press on. I don't think they'll be #1 this gen, but I understand that they will survive. You continuously threw the "answer, don't comment" phrasing at me, but you didn't understand what I was doing. You were demanding agreement for your own claims instead of analyzing mine, a common fallacy. That might win a widely televised political debate, but not a discussion based around an unpredictable video game market. Communications studies will teach you "the medium is the message." Tune your tactics to the format in which you're delivering them. I'll just leave it at that. Agree to disagree.
Haha i know youve seen it in movies and tv shows. Shareholders in japan are not like shareholders here The cant do squat to iwata. He has to personally step down
The biggest problem with the Wii U is that it could be its own console with its own games, but developers want to make the same game for all consoles and they don't try to do something original for each console anymore. Multiplatform games have been a reality since forever, but long ago, there were much more exclusives for each consoles, making it unique for gamers to play and have reasons to own different consoles. This time we can only count on first party for exclusives and I think that is very sad. There is no more innovation in the industry and they all prefer money over quality, and don't even get me started about taking risks, because not one third party wants (dares) to take even a minuscule risk, they don't even dare to think about it anymore. I would love to see third parties making a game exclusively for the Wii U that utilizes their strengths and weakness, and the gamepad, etc. the same with PS4 and Xbox One, but they just don't care anymore.
Mario Kart 8/ SSB4..GG
The only thing ps4 and xbone have over Wii U is power. But when it comes to actual games and gameplay then Wii U wins hands down. Sony and Microsoft has never been able to compete with Nintendo when it comes to software and just pure gaming.
This is a great point. Nintendo games are rated the highest almost every time. You will see that Mario Kart is going to be very high praised, and then Smash Bros, and so on. I have always tried to make that point, because it is true. Uncharted and The Last of Us might get thousands of awards, but it is Nintendo's games that consistently get better reviews and high praise.
No denying both Sony and Microsoft have games I love and are capable of making some excellent games but overall Nintendo are way ahead of both of them when it comes to actual gaming. Ps4 and xbone dominate when it comes to hardware and spec. Wii U dominates when it comes to games and gameplay. I suggest trying all 3 as they all have strengths and weaknesses.
nintendo screwed up with the wii u, it still has no voice chart or party chat or other features that the ps4 and x1 have and they just launched several months ago, it didnt even get gta5 when the weaker ps3 and 360 got it that tells you something
We'll you don't know what your talking about, the Wii u does has voice chat just not party or cross game chat, and no Nintendo console apart from gameboy has had a gta game so that's not telling anything really, but the Wii u does have video chat built into the system so it's doing something right there.
ps4 can do so much more then the wiiu hell so can the x1, wiiu cant even play bluerays or dvds
i don't know who the fuk this dude is. And more so i haven't bought or played a game he made, so his opinion means shyt to me. Nintendo all day.