Josh Olin was fired from his job at Turtle Rock for calling ex-Clippers owner Donald Sterling a victim of sensationalized media coverage. And then he still praised the game.
how...how is that an insult in the slightest? what the actual f? I'm so on the fence with this game. if this game is just a multiplayer l'm going to be annoyed...it's a primal carnage lookalike with one monster with variables...that will probably charge full price.. if it's not the same price as a AAA with just multiplayer, l'll get this for sure.
doesn't look like anything i would pay for.
If I recall correctly there will be more than one monster.
They said that it's as big as Left for dead if not bigger. If you liked the length of LFD then this game is a must buy.
I'll happily buy a MP only game if it's as complete as it should be (not like bf4). MP gives you so much more bang for your buck IF it's done right, and you can create shared memories with friends. I'm on the fence with most games lately because of my recent experiences, with a few exceptions based on past performances.
Of course he supports it. In business, you always want to leave on good terms. You never want to burn bridges you may have to cross later.
But he got fired for supporting a racist. Bridge already burned.
He called him a bigot. Hardly supporting.
I took it more as support of free speech...but Americans have gone crazy with public crucifixion power these days, so who gives a shit about context anyway, amirite?
The thing I love about the "free speech bcuz MERICA" supporters is that they completely forget about the basic and simple "right" to fire whoever the **** you want. You can't expect to be part of the mainstream media with those views because they're not mainstream, but actually quite extreme. It's not a freedom of speech issue, rather, a we don't like the stupidity you're spouting so you're out. No one is stopping him from continuing with his bigotted ways, they just don't want to be associated with him. And if freedom of speech means being forced to have ties with ridiculous people, then it needs to be fixed. (It doesn't, it's just that most people don't understand how freedom of speech works)
All he said was the Sterling has the right to be a racist in his own home, whether we like it or not.
I agree with his tweet and it's ridiculous that they fired him. You really do have to be careful what you say online especially on twitter.
this guy is 100% right but i think he should have just not said anything about this. in no way he deserves to have to leave. same idea with ceo of mozilla. our world is so corrupt its disgusting.
I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. Donald Sterling is a terrible human being. He was sued for not renting to minorities. He was sued for sexual harassment. He sued basketball coaches he fired so he wouldn't have to pay them money he contractually owed them. He was an embarrassment to the NBA and shouldn't have been able to continue to own the Clippers as long as he did. It's not like the audio that was leaked by his "girlfriend" was the only reason he was fired - it was a lifetime achievement award be being a jerk. I think that's a little more than media sensationalism.
Well, he sounds pretty disgusting as a human being, but can't really agree with 'forcing' him to give up his private property for comments he made in private. It's better for the foundations of America to have him lose his fortune by people refusing to give him money for things he owns (not supporting the clippers monetarily). No matter how you spin it, lifetime ban from basketball and relinquishing ownership of his property against his will is as UN American in principle as you can get. If, by some miracle, this is upheld in the Supreme court, the precedent it will set for the lower income people will be amusing. Yes, for the lowly people too, wait until your exes put secret tapes they have been saving of your private comments out during those bitter divorces...now imagine those recordings somehow finding themselves on twitter. Yep, this is gonna be quite interesting.
Wow that's actually BS. Look I'm black and certainly don't agree with Sterling's remarks.. but the guy was right. You actually do have the right to believe and say what you want in your own home. Bigoted and racist as it may be. To get fired for saying that is bullcrap. Act like racism is something new. I'm as much Christian as I am black and I think Bill Nye saying teaching kids the bible is child abuse was more offensive...
I agree to an extent. Firstly, freedom of speech is protected...but NOT freedom of consequence. Sure, he has the right to say and act however he wants in his home. However, no matter how the information is leaked, a corporation also has the right to react to the released information. It's probably part of a "morality clause" in the agreement to be an NBA owner. As for Mr. Olin, well, there have been FAR too many examples of this type of thing in this year alone. He HAD to know that when he was tweeting this, it would be scrutinized. It's the power of the information age...and with great power comes great responsibility.
I agree. I think he should've been fired. I don't think he should've been fined though.
You're wrong, sorry. First, this isn't the only mistake he has made. He's been sued for housing discrimination (and I think had the largest settlement in US history). He was sued for sexual harassment. He would sue coaches he fired to try and get out of paying him what he contractually owed. He is a terrible human being. If he had a clean track record, maybe just fine him; but his track record is littered with proof of his lack of character.
Cool story... That actually has nothing to do with this article though... @below What Sterling said was out of line and he should've been fired yes. He shouldn't have been fined because he said it in his own home and was being recorded without him knowing. What Olin said was perfectly in line because it was the truth. Not an opinion.. the truth. If you can't handle the truth then you need some tougher skin. His firing was out of line. Your comment was out of line because it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Therefore you should be fired XD.
I was responding directly to what you said. I'm not sure what the confusion is. The punishment for Donald Sterling is perfectly justified. So what Olin said was out of line and is why he was fired - and understandably. I don't see a defense for either of them.
" He shouldn't have been fined because he said it in his own home and was being recorded without him knowing." So he deserved to be fired, but not fined? I don't understand that logic. "What Olin said was perfectly in line because it was the truth. Not an opinion.. the truth. If you can't handle the truth then you need some tougher skin. His firing was out of line." Here's the issue: Sterling has a history of acting on his ignorant and bigoted beliefs. It's not JUST that he said something insensitive in his home and it got out. There is more to it. People have the right to say and believe what they want. But if you say and believe hurtful things and it gets out, even if it was in the privacy of your own home, it's hard for me to feel bad for the consequences that befall you. His "girlfriend" is a piece of work as well, and she deserves punishment as well. Olin calling Sterling a victim is his right, but he represents the company he works for. Obviously they disagreed and fired him. Olin has every right to say and believe what he wants, but he also has to be responsible for his views.
You're a moron.
As a community manager with a lot of people following him he should have known better what he should talk about on his Twitter page. Just like Sterling both have freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean they won't have to deal with the consequences. Rule number one of companies is to not talk publicly about stuff like politics or religion especially if you have several thousand people following you. Everything he says will be scrutinised and if anything can be seen as negative even remotely the one who will get crap for it and will have to answer questions is the company. Apparently the community wasn't a big fan of him already and in that way he would be a liability.
Yep, you nailed it. As a public person he had to know that what he said might have consequences. He said it anyway, and here we are. The odd thing is he was tweeting about people's right to say what they want in their own home...yet he was doing the opposite. I admit, I'm not wild about people being fearful to express even opinions I despise, yet if I were his employer I'd have interpreted his tweet as a big middle finger to me. Less forgiving bosses smack down hard, that's what happened.
Watch this game blow. Media has hyped it too much.
Media has barely hyped this game at all, stop exaggerating :/
What a dumbass lol, these guys will never learn.
This game had me intrigued from the first time I saw in Gameinformer. Definitely looking forward to seeing more.
I would have tried my best to ruin sales.
That's BS that he got fired for that if I were him I'd be torching the studio with lawyers.
he called the racist scumbag, a victim. yeah, clearly he did nothing wrong, right? o_O well, he'll be happy, both him and sterling will have much more time to be old bigots in their own homes.
It's disturbing that you can't even escape the "all-seeing eye" in your own home. Not surprising though since it is/was legal to even put homemade sex tapes on the net without your partner's consent. I'm no fan of Sterling but it's ignorant for people to be judging him just like he judged blacks. Just like a slave owner you label him an 'old bigot' and that's all he'll ever be to you, just like Sterling you dehumanize him, turn him into a disposable item. I'm not saying that all people can change but we need to get over the selfish/lazy instant vilification of humans and realize that they aren't perfect and they need help. Olin - "I believe in: 1) The harm sensational media presents to society. 2) The importance and sanctity of your privacy within your own home..." He used and abused to make billions, the media used and abused him and others to get rich, etc. Profit over humanity. A society based on throwing things/people away. How many of you would be on the garbage pile for things you've said in private? "a select few in Turtle Rock and 2K Games management bought into this hysteria without even having a conversation with me - or even thoroughly reviewing the context of the tweets themselves." I haven't seen someone say "slippery slope" yet but there has to be some kind of balance so working people can have opinions so they aren't turned into organic robot drones.
We live in a world where people like Sterling have very little consequences for their actions and people are reacting to it. Being rich and white and male ( the Trifecta) means you can do just about anything without having to worry about any meaningful consequences. So we latch on to things like this. Its wrong on certain levels, but the "system" is already unbalanced. The media is one thing, and they do over sensationalize stories for a buck, consequences be damned. But average people want to feel like there's justice to be found and while it may be unfair in this circumstance, its one of the very few times where we get anything at all. Though lets be real, Sterling is going to be just fine and ultimately this likely won't effect his views. In regard to Olin, well this is a man who should have known better. It may be unfair but anyone in that position who uses the internet enough should know that expressing opinions over heated topics is a mine field and best avoided. The fact he used Twitter to express that opinion was just doubly stupid IMO. I don't think you're wrong, but I think its an issue that's a bit more complicated. If we lived in a world where the super rich people and corporations actually had consequences for their actions like the rest of us, we might be less enthusiastic about "tearing" someone down over a private conversation. Giving real power to money is the "slippery slope" and we are sliding down further every day. This is just the side effects from that IMO.
"Sterling is going to be fine"...not with prostate cancer he isn't. And I say good riddance to ugly wrinkled white trash.
Good points. Yeah unfortunately it's complicated and it's tough to get people to work together to change things for the better. For now they only have power if we give it to them.
Cool one less game I have to buy. Freedom of Speech is dead in America.
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