The Beyond crew weighs in on whether or not re-releases on next gen consoles are good for gamers.
It's the price... not the games
For $40, it'd be a lot more 'buyable'. The $60 price point for a last gen game is whats discouraging.
60 dollars has always been too much money for games. 40 would be an awesome cap on game sales
... so then you buy the game at $40... then you're interested in the DLC, which is either $20 for the season pass or more than $20 if you buy the DLC separately... or you buy it cheaper on PS3, and don't get any of the DLC, the improved visuals or improved performance... people who cry about the price of these reissues aren't understanding that it's not just a nicer-looking version of the game. there's a lot more underneath the hood that's being done, and you're getting all of the extra content. it's the same, old entitled nonsense that plagued the tail end of last generation being carried over into this one.
@Ziggurcat No I think you're the one who's missing the point. I bought Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD, and I got 2 HD games with all the content + bonus content and it only costed me $40 *Because* remastered games don't require a full Dev-team to work on. No reason at all for these re-releases to cost $60 when It's done by an extremely small staff, possibly only 10-20 people.
I think price is right, charging way too much. However, games like Tomb Raider and Last of Us are just too close to their original releases... Last of Us isn't even a year old, and they are already bringing it back? I've had fond memories of this last generation, but it's always going to stand out as the generation that tried to tap into my wallet, rather than give me top notch experiences.
@ ziggurcat and why should we not feel entitled to get value for our hard earned money....IT'S OUR HARD EARNED F"^KING MONEY!!! To be honest though devs/pubs are just doing what any company would do and cashing in and as long as gamers keep buying nothing will change, just more dev's will try it. I think most if not all of us understand perfectly that it's more then just a nicer looking version. The fact is though for the little content they do add and stuff they change many of us still feel it' not worth full asking price. Not to mention these are games that have been out less then a year anyway.
The value ratio that you are all discussing has far too many factors for there to possibly be an all compassing, blanketing statement to succinctly explain this. For instance, how much work was put into the remake? Was it just a resolution bump or are there better textures, polygons, lighting, physics, etc.? Are there enhanced gameplay mechanics, added content, or included DLCs? Questions like "are remakes worth it?" can't be answered with a simple yes or no. As with any other game, and really anything in general, there plenty of things to take into account and it's ultimately up to you, and only you, to make that decision. If you don't think an HD remake is worth it, no one is forcing you to buy it. For me, HD ports of Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear, etc. are all games I would have never played until the HD remakes brought my attention to them. For me they are invaluable, for you maybe not.
Currently, The last of us is cheaper on PS3 (used game) so 60$ is too expensive.
exactly! A man saw great games like GoW, R&C, Jak, Sly, and SotC remade and priced according to their last gen status. Hell that was $40 for a TRILOGY in many cases! Now they want $60 for ONE game!? A man won't buy into that. Well LoU is the exception because a man hasn't gotten any DLC so he is effectively saving $20 (new difficulty plus Left Behind is what he would have gotten) plus he sold his steel case edition and its artbook for $140 (bought for $80 so that difference pays for the remastered version). Still though a man won't buy Beyond, Skyrim, ME, or Uncharted Trilogy for next gen unless they're $40 or a man will wait for them to drop to $30!
How many HD remakes did when get last-gen? (still no Warriors HD damn it) This gen we're going to get even more, GTAV will be next, the Uncharted games more than likely at some point, God Of War 3? very possible
GTAV? Possibly. Uncharted and GoW3? I doubt it since most ps3 owners have already played them. It's been quite a while since they got released. TLoU is still a rather new game which everyone hasn't had a chance to play so I'm guessing it would sell more.
There is a negative perception. They are doing it for the money. Where there is a demand, there is a supply. People who got a PS4 and didn't have a PS3 are going to want to play those exclusive from the PS3, but don't want to buy the PS3 already. So they buy the enhanced versions from the PS4. I my self don't like the idea. So I won't be buying the enhanced versions because I already have the games. The developers who are working on these remaster projects should probably focus on new ip. Not games that already exist. Again, It's a subjective matter. Others will like the option of getting older games from older consoles. But that could have been solved if the PS4 was backward compatible all the way from the original PS. It'd have been awesome.
and PS4 would have been $600 and not sold with all that hardware inside it
My only problem with them is that they could be using the money to create new games instead. Although I don't know how the business works, so...
Newer IP is always welcomed to me
TLOU is well worth 50-60eurs especially in 1080p+60fps+all dlc included. So yeah, i'm gonna buy this masterpiece again but first i need to buy PS4.
When games are released on multiple platforms, no one says anything. When a game is remade for ps4 the whining starts. If price is the issue, DON'T BUY IT! Silly, pointless topic of discussion. BTW, TLOU is less than a year old.
Iv'e always been an Xbox guy up until PS4 came out and obviously I missed Uncharted and The Last Of Us so I welcome the idea of remake's.
i dont remember all these articles when tomb raider remake was announced -_- and that one was more of a ripoff honestly. I dont remember all the hate when a halo 2 remake was rumoured either so whats the difference now? Either way i haven't played it yet so ill buy it for the ps4 i mean the ps3 version is still like 40 without all the dlc
Tomb raider was highly ripped for this. stop protecting Sony they hate you and just want your money. To your point its a game by game basis for me too, if you haven't played it, then its a great deal. They should remake the games if the market says so. I cant wait for the Metro: Last Light and Metro 2033 remake since I did not play the second one and Gta5 which I thought they would remake.
not fanboyism was in that comment i just generally dont remember tomb raider getting article after article after article about it but i agree its all preference and i haven played metro last light either so im waiting for that remake too
@Blackleg-sanji There was a good deal of hate on here and other sites in regards to Tomb Raider's "definitive edition". As for Halo 2, the game is going to be 10 years old this year and was released TWO generations ago. There is a huge difference between that and games that came out a year ago on last gen being remastered and rereleased.
The last of us is a special case they are trying to cash in on people who jumped to ps4 from 360 and had not play game..... I of course would not pay $60 for it but I'll wait and I know I'll be able to get it for about 20 in a year or so...... I never buy games at lunch.....
Its not a special case; the games have value and they want your money. To be honest all these game could look really great on these new consoles. for me its a game by game issue. I wouldn't say do not make them I just wont by every game they remake.
I would say YES, if they expect us to pay full price for a game we already own. I would personally LOVE to be able to play my PS3 digital copies on my PS4 (particularly GTAV, Batman: Arkham Origins and Tomb Raider), but I wouldn't pay more than $10 to upgrade IF the game has been enhanced. When GTAV comes to PS4, if it hasn't been enhanced, they should allow us to upgrade for free.
I think it mostly boils down to price, demand and execution. Tomb raider: too much money for an old game that doesnt look all that better on next gen opposed to last gen or pc and includes add on content no one cares about. TLOU ps4? yeah it has the main game with some added visual bells and whistles and STORY DLC that people actually gives a damn about isnt there one more story dlc piece coming? And the multiplayer? yeah some might get it for that also like BrokenGamesHD. And lastly there is the price, last time I checked it was not quite decided if there will be some sort of uppgrade or discount for previous owners yet and if not I'd just sell or trade in my old copy for it or something else and pay whatever the full price might be for the ps4 version hopefully it will be about 30-40 but I wouldn't bet on it. I really like the TLOU ps4 edition, I didnt really like the PS2 HD games, they were sort of AWFUL but I got them for free with Ps+ and I enjoyed them but no way they were worth the asking price IMO.
no. bringing great games isnt bad, its more games. a new audience to introduce them to a franchise, or a fan to see how far its came, so no...
I'm totally OK with it. There are tons of great games on last gen that I'd love to revisit. Mass Effect and The Last of Us are included in that list for me. Frankly, I'd rather spend 60 bucks again than dish out the money to buy a PS3 and play them again. People need to remember that everything in this world is not done for you. Just because YOU bought the game before and don't want to pay full price doesn't mean that's the way it should be. Tons of people didn't get to play The Last of Us, now they get the opportunity and they'll pay full price just like we had to.
i never played last of us or uncharted cus i was a 360 owner. i would love to play them but i would rather have new IPs and have the gaming company focus on new games rather than old ones. seems lazy and a bit disrespectful really.
TLOU is THE game of last gen. It deserves every bit to be brought to newer systems.
What is the problem? There are many many PS4 owners that did not have a PS3 and now they will get the best version. Why should that not be full price? Fans that love the game can purchase it or not or wait for a price reduction, what is the problem. If the game isn't for you then noone cares. Again whats the problem. A big deal is being made where no big deal exists.
Port Beyond Two Souls, charge 60 bucks, and take my money!!!