Today on Friends List, Deputy Reviews Editor Phil Kollar and Reporter Megan Farokhmanesh ask: Why don't more games tackle sexuality?
Why should we?
Agreed... why should it? Now that video games have become mainstream, they are under even more scruitiny, from the prudish press that are making sex or violence an issue.
Because like it or not, it's actually a HUGE part of human life. I mean what did prehistoric man do other than hunt and breed? I would expect that the only reason a gamer might not support it, when done in a mature/artistic way is due to immaturity or that they don't play thougt-provoking/artistic games. The former is fair if you're a child, and the latter if you're just someone who plays CoD/FIFA, but for others, this is for some reason proving to be a huge barrier holding the industry back from joining the religiously liberated second decade of the 21st century. Perhaps now isn't the time and we should wait until the US government has more gamers among its ranks, but we must overcome thus barrier to grow up as a medium.
The real reason is money. An R rated movie generally has less earning potential than PG-13 or lower, and the same goes for an M rated game. There are exceptions in both cases of course.
I now demand a game where the protagonist is early man and you're on a quest to hunt And breed. Call it... Cromagnum.
When it's shown that sexuality makes a compelling gameplay element (and I mean sexuality itself, not relationships), I'll care that there's a "lack" of sexuality in games.
Have you played Shin Megami Tensei games? They're full of sexual subjects that are wisely used for character development.
But is the sexuality itself a gameplay element or a story element? Are you actually doing sexual things that require user input?
God of War had the sex mini-games I guess. I like having sexuality as a plot device when you used well, and a lot of story driven games are able to do it well. But as a gameplay device? Not so sure myself. Never even thought about how that could work.
Why not? Every day in games humans kill each other in various ways, tens of thousands of bodies pile up over the months, hundreds of thousands for the better players. It's about time adults can get adult versions of games with some kind of age verification system. If you're happy playing a lesser version of a game made to make the company rich by targeting kids that's fine. If you don't like it don't play it, but don't go forcing your prudish nonsense on others. Thanks for the laugh, 'nemo', it's fitting that a children's movie character is against sexuality in games.
It seems to me that is the Yankee Americans that have this massive issue with anything considered sexy and yet guns aren't really given much of a second thought on games at all.
Yes, let us put all Americans into one group because the opinions of a few. Edit: Did I really get disagrees? You guys think it's okay to put all Americans into one group even though there are many that don't have a problem with sexual content? Well, that's N4G for you.
You're right, and I'm British, so unbiased on this. FOX News, retailers who refuse to stock AO games and, to some extent, Sony, Microsoft and Steam are the problems (for restricting such games on their platforms; though steam is making strides through closing the gap between dev and buyer) We need to campaign as an international lobby group to make the controversy about such content in games a controversy in itself. Boycotting FOX when it puts out slanderous reports, drumming up online support when an issue takes place (to hopefullu get mentioned in rival newspapers) and just generally ruining the PR of these companies when an issue arises. The first step, pf course, is for brave, pioneering indie devs to include more mature sexual content in their games such that this controversy can arise, and we can retaliate.
Yes, clearly the issue is that FOX, as they are the only ones that report on these things in such a manner and FOX **NEVER** gets scrutiny. /s Your "unbiased" British view seems to be comprised of a generic understanding of American culture. You're certainly right that game makers need to just push through with whatever material fits their games, but the blame is certainly earned by more than generic punching bag, Fox. (No, I'm not a fan of FOX, but it gets really old seeing them get all of the blame for something that a lot of media, leaning on both sides of the political spectrum, have earned - this is a CULTURAL issue, not just a media issue) No offense, but the British in general spend a lot of time on the internet pretending to understand US culture and simply don't. It really needs to stop.
It's their constitutional right to own an AR. Guns don't kill people, boobs do.
I was agreeing with you until I realized you were being sarcastic.
Infinitely more people are killed by handguns than assault rifles in the US. There's a reason that many countries restrict handguns more than rifles.
@Reeze This isnt a laughing matter. We must remain watchful of this new terror lest it consume us all: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...
American ratings do rank sex higher than violence for sure. We aren't the worst though, Middle Eastern territories have us beat hands down.
Forget it. There is no convincing some people. Apparently, you can't have your own opinion. According to these people your opinion is based on a vocal few in your population. Just because some "Yankee Americans" have a problem with sexuality, you must have one too.
I, too, love sweeping generalizations.
"yet guns aren't really given much of a second thought on games at all" Obviously you have zero experience with American media. VG violence is just as demonized by the media (if not more) than sexuality. It's funny how many pseudo American culture buffs there are on the internet.
Lol everyone thinks we all weigh 500 pounds and eat nothing but McDonalds all day in our big ol' SUV's haha. ft3nemo really exposed his ignorance
"ft3nemo really exposed his ignorance" As well as all of the people agreeing with him.
It is a good question. Mass Effect was the first game that I played that really hit that topic head on in a way that felt personal. More games should tackle it, it is a strong tool in connecting with players and telling a story.
you can tell a perfectly good story without sex.
True, but you can't say it isn't a powerful tool in developing complex relationships in storytelling. I am not saying it is meant for all games, but it is definitely a powerful way to engage the player.
@MoCowbell Yes you can, if the story and plot does not revolve sex. But if a story deal with relationship and sex in general how are you suppose to convey your story so that the audience can understand? What you want them to do, during an intimate scene the screen will go black and a message comes up and say "Do not disturb" or "Please use your imagination". Video games are stories just like movies.
hmmm not sure on that .where would i be without a mario brother turning up to fix the washing machine only to get dragged into cleaning the gutters
I get enough stories with sex in TV and movies. Most of the time it is completely unwanted. Watching Vikings, all of a sudden there is all this drama between girlfriends, people finding girlfriends... I don't get why, you don't need relationship drama in a flipping show about Vikings! Completely unexpected and unwanted. That's how I feel about adding relationships in games. I enjoy games for fun gameplay first, a good story second, and for roleplaying relationships never.
If you're sensitive about sex I'm sure they'd include an option to turn it off. Variety is the spice of life, why remove a part of life just because some people might get butthurt?
@kayoss I'm pretty sure he understands that and was saying we should be open-minded about what plot devices are used in the game industry. And I agree, I would like to see more heavy social topics tackled in video games. I've even played RPGs that deal with the religion vs. science debate. So we shouldn't we embrace sex as a potential plot device? There are great films that do have sex and great ones that don't. Gaming can have both as well.
FFX had one of the strongest relationships between Yuna and Tidus, yet didn't involve sex in any kind of way.
I just don't get why people want sex in videogames. It's completely unnecessary. If you want to see sex watch porn.
You could say the same for tv or movies. If it fits the story, serves a purpose what harm can it do. Porn is not "sexuality", it's porn.
Who are you to say it's unnecessary, many people would like sex and nudity in their games. I have good porn but I still like to see some nice boobs and attractive women in my games. Rather than have a furry diaper in Oblivion I downloaded some nude mods etc and as far as I know the world wasn't destroyed because of this. If it happens in real life adding it to a game can make a game even more immersive and that's a good thing for most people, if you're sensitive to certain things they can include sex/gore filters for you.
I don't know. Video game nudity kind of weirds me out. It's like looking at a mannequin that's trying to convince me it's sexy. That being said I don't mind people doing that in games because it's a creative medium. More people should be encouraged to do what they want with their characters, provided it's not hateful or in bad taste.
Im all for more sexuality in games if it's handled sensibly. It's part of life, and absolutely has a place in games as it does books and literature. I'm a bit surprised it doesnt get more focus in horror games particularly, sex & death are often so intertwined in other mediums, simetimes to great effect.. Not so in games, generally.
Yeah, main exception to that would be Catherine, who played somehow on the bizarre relationship between sex and death.
Never tired looking at those bazongas! :3 OT. And when games tackle sexuality than crazy feminazis will bring their pitchfork and labeled the games or the creator as sexism. Example like this (Paz recording on MGS: GZ) http://n4g.com/news/1488591...
because there is still bitchy 7 year olds that will get their hands on it
I'm all for inclusion of sexual subjects within video games. Some games have done this in a very thoughtful and mature way already, like Persona or Catherine, and Metal Gear Solid. I'm also all for exploitative content, as long as it's bought by users within the appropriate age range. There's this kind of content in every art form, from cinema to painting to literature, so I don't see why video games should be an exception. The main issue would be targeted demographics, but the problem is the same with violence. My point is, when I bought Dragon's Crown, I was fully aware it had exploitative content, and I enjoy such content, in movies and comics and literature too. But I'm a 30 years old man, I'm wise enough to make the difference between the realm of sexual fantasy and reality. I know full well that men and women don't look like that in real life and don't always consent to being seen and used as sex objects (Also, while I do enjoy exploitative material, I don't play video games for masturbation, I just find it visually pleasing as an art form). Anyway, yes, sex has it's place within every art form. It's just the same as with movies. You've got movies targeted at kids, like disney or nickelodeon or whatever, movies targeted at teens, and movies targeted at adults, may it be pornography or toughtful use of sexual imagery, as in Catherine Breillat or Lars von triers' movies.
Dragon's Crown isn't even all that bad. It massively sexualizes the male and female characters quite a bit. Content like that is very inclusive, so it's hard to see why anyone would be outright upset with it. It's obviously not meant for small children, but then movies cross that line all of the time. We should more open to this kind of content, but of course I wouldn't want it to dominate the industry either.
Yeah Dragon's Crown really is pretty tame actually. It's sleazy in it's visual design, but that's about it. I don't believe it would dominate the industry, I mean, there's still more general public content than pornography in dvd rental outlets.
That where you're wrong. The issue of sexuality in games has come a long way. Go back twenty years and the only female characters that weren't scantily clad were Samus and Carmen Sandiego. If TLOU was made in the nineties Ellie would've been an 18 year old blonde with double D's. The problem is that some studios still see gamers as horny teenagers who spend every waking hour looking at boobies. I'm all for tasteful nudity but I don't want to look at boobs just because they're there.
"If TLOU was made in the nineties Ellie would've been an 18 year old blonde with double D's." ...I'd play that.
Tired of all this nonsense. I can understand having a love story or relationship included, Uncharted has that and many other games, but to concentrate on sexuality alone is flat-out foolish. I assume a pervert wrote this article.
But what about Mass Effect? You could have sex in multiple installments and it all depended on you building a relationship with a character to see it happen. In that sense it can be used as a strong plot device. Not saying it HAS to be there, but it can be used for good storytelling.
Mass Effect actually came to mind when I was writing the previous paragraph. But Mass Effect's story isn't built on sex, it is an added feature in the game. I believe they added it in the second one. If it's used within the context of the story and used properly then sex can be a great add-on feature.
I gave you a bubble.
because people like Hank from King of the Hill don't want "little Timmy" to know about sex. "oh bobby!"
I miss Dragon's Crown.
No need for that. If the game is really good it will conquer its place on our hearts by itself. We shouldnt add meaningless nudity, sexual content just to attract people into liking it. Its not righttt
Well said. Bubbles for you!
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