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Submitted by Bitsnark 179d ago | opinion piece

Xbox One production is slowing down: what next for Microsoft?

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"What’s Microsoft’s next move? Clearly they aren’t doomed, but they need a shot in the arm if they want to keep competing. They’ve already announced that they’re launching in “tier 2 countries” in September this year. The fact that the Xbox One has launched in less countries than the PS4 is often used to address the sales discrepancy of the systems, but considering those “tier 2″ countries are areas where the 360 did poorly, and the PS4 is consistently outdoing the One even in the U.S. shows that it won’t really matter. What Microsoft really need is a strong E3 with two crucial factors. A price drop and a vast array of must-get exclusives. There is no way around it this time." (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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AGaryColemanClone  +   179d ago | Well said
The Xbox is returning to its natural pre-RRoD Xbox 360 inflated installed base numbers. Absolutely nothing surprising about that.

Unless Microsoft brings back the RRoD and Xbox fans once again buy 3,4,5+ extra Xbox consoles like they did with the Xbox 360 where each time a new model came out there were promises that this new version would fix the RRoD, disc scratching/destroying drives, absurdly loud noise, etc.

There simply aren't that many Xbox fans in the world. The console has a fan base almost entirely from the US and UK. Sales in those two countries could double and the PS4 would still be handily beating the Xbox One in sales.

Microsoft has:

* The most expensive console
* The most hated thing in all gaming, Kinect, included in every Xbox One
* The smallest first party studio lineup
* Graphics hardware so weak it is having trouble even running games at next gen resolutions

Drop Kinect? Half of Microsoft's already tiny first party development studios are completely focused on Kinect casual shovelware.

Magic SDK updates? BS about 'teh Cloud'? All this damage control from Microsoft is just making themselves look ridiculous and desperate in the eyes of gamers.

Amazing exclusives have to come from somewhere. Microsoft can't just snap their fingers and create them out of thin air. They aren't going to come from Japaneses developers. Everyone knows Microsoft's tired old Halo, Forza, Gears games. Third party developers aren't going to be easily bought off with the PS4 already at double the Xbox One installed base right now and on track to be 3-1 by the end of 2014.

The Xbox One is destined for the first Xbox installed base numbers. Just like the Xbox One never putting out PS4 level graphics. It is something either you accept now or waste years of your life and accept it later.
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lifeisgamesok  +   179d ago | Well said
Your comment is ridiculous

There's little to no difference in the graphics between the consoles

Many people like Kinect whether it's innovation potential or just navigating the OS

Even if Sony is selling more in the Tier 2 countries Microsoft won't end up selling zero consoles in those places so it will only do better

Xbox One has the better launch and launch-window

MS is also beefing up their studios, Black Tusk is said to be full of industry vets

With people like Phil Spencer and Phil Harrison Xbox will only get better while Sony studios are losing major talent and seems like they are shifting focus to remasters and indie titles
Kingthrash360  +   179d ago | Well said
lol..no, your comment is ridiculous...and opinion.

and tbh ms just lied to china about the cloud giving the x1 3x the power it currently had. i thought phil was here to stop the bs....just sayin
e3 cloud = 12x the powa, then it was 4x...now 3...smh but yeah sit back and go on...and launch window? ps4 has more games now and more coming this year to ps4...they both have a solid launch window ps4 just has more content.
the value of the content is opinion based but the amount is fact.
when you fight a loyalist fight AT LEAST bring facts...not opinions.
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Godmars290  +   179d ago
@Kingthrash360:
To be "fair" MS hasn't technically lied about the cloud. They could very well hope and be expecting to get what they're saying out of it it. The thing is however they're still in the process of building the support infrastructure wit no real guarantee of what the final results will be.

That meanwhile some people will be paying for said expected results, which may not even materialize in the XB1 production cycle, is another thing.

Just like its BS to expect Harrison and Spencer to "save" anything - especially when one use to work for Sony and both were at the helm of the Xbox division when they screwed up with the DRM announcement.
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imt558  +   179d ago | Well said
@lifeisgamesok

Quote :
There's little to no difference in the graphics between the consoles...

Xbox One has the better launch and launch-window

I like how you spinnig words.

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Even if Sony is selling more in the Tier 2 countries Microsoft won't end up selling zero consoles in those places so it will only do better...

This is quite bullshit. Big problem is that in those Tier 2 countries Xbone is ALREADY AVAILABLE by most retailers who get Xbone's from official retailers in Tier 1 countries and still Xbone didn't sold well. And you expect that when Xbone officially launch in those Tier 2 countries in Semptember Xbone will sell well?? I don't think so.
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DigitalRaptor  +   179d ago | Well said
"There's little to no difference in the graphics between the consoles"

Completely inaccurate and delusional.
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"Many people like Kinect whether it's innovation potential or just navigating the OS"

After 4 years, it hasn't proven itself in regards to gaming. It sold 20 million and then... no one else would buy another gimmick. People want it out, but MS won't have that as no-one will buy it by itself.

The voice command navigation is all people go on about with it. That could be done with a cheap microphone. That is why people hate it's gimmicky inclusion last gen, and its non-gaming focus this gen.
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"Even if Sony is selling more in the Tier 2 countries Microsoft won't end up selling zero consoles in those places so it will only do better"

It won't be doing impressive numbers in those regions regardless, so they would have to do something seriously insane in the US and UK for Xbone to compete.
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"Xbox One has the better launch and launch-window"

It has about 1 more exclusive AAA game than PS4. The other console has more games, more diversity, more upcoming, especially in the next couple of months. MS took games from last gen, and starved that audience so they could bolster their lineup for next-gen. PS3 in the meantime, had loads of exclusive games, that should they have also been moved to PS4, would have annihilated the Xbone lineup, rather than just matched it - and we know the reasons why.

But like I said, it has like 1 AAA exclusive more than PS4.
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"MS is also beefing up their studios, Black Tusk is said to be full of industry vets"

Good. Let's hope it's good.
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"With people like Phil Spencer and Phil Harrison Xbox will only get better while Sony studios are losing major talent and seems like they are shifting focus to remasters and indie titles"

Phil Spencer - yes
Phil Harrison - no

And here comes the next foolish assessment. Sony cuts down staff, but continues to RE-HIRE. yeah, that's a sign of them not being able to compete with Microsoft. They have announced 1 remaster that EVERYBODY seems to want, especially those who haven't had the good opportunity to own a PS3.

Meanwhile, Sony has just as many AAA games, and EVEN MORE games with the slew of indies, Japanese games, MMOs, free-to-play. So much more diversity. So much more than Microsoft could dream of with that smooth "$1 billion" they put down on exclusives.

Then Microsoft will announce Halo 2 remaster, and we will hear no word from you. Of course we won't.
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Majin-vegeta  +   179d ago
OMFG the BS I have to read from your comments everyday really outstands me(must refrain from personally attacking).

Your comment is just loaded with bs just STAHP PLS JUST STAHP!

https://www.gradtouch.com/u...

OT:Gotta agree with Gary.
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georgeenoob  +   179d ago
No sh** production is going down, it's 6 months after launch.

As for the PS gamers above, man you guys sure are obsessed with Xbox. None of you own one yet you spend half your day reading and commenting on MS articles.

Xbox feels next-gen thanks to Kinect and amazing over-the-top gameplay rich exclusives such as Titanfall and Dead Rising 3. PS4 feels like an upgraded PS3, nothing more. And despite all the talk about its power, its game library consists of PC indies and iphone games and heavily lacks AAAs. PS4 isn't next-gen at all.

As for the cloud, there's a reason why MS is making all these statements so close to E3, they will slap all the naysayers in the face come June, even though they already did with a recently released demo.
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nicksetzer1  +   179d ago
@kingthrash, was never anything but 3x and not 3x the power, just because you are unable to understand having the throughput of 3 xb1's available in the cloud is not 3x "the powa" doesn't make it true.

FROM PRE-E3:
http://www.totalxbox.com/54...

"We're ***provisioning*** for developers for every physical Xbox One we build, we're provisioning the ***CPU and storage equivalent of three Xbox Ones*** on the cloud,"
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UnbiasedOpinions  +   179d ago | Well said
How does at @DigitalRaptor have any bubbles at all when all he does is troll Xbox articles all day? i try be level headed and rational on N4G about Xbox and Playstation yet my bubbles are going down lol, whats wrong with N4G? its just a bunch of fanboys with an insecure hatred for Microsoft lol, peace out N4G, this isn't a place for discussion but rather a breeding grounds of insecurity and fanboys rubbing each other off over their favorite plastic box that they have grown emotionally attached to, losers
URNightmare  +   179d ago | Funny
Come on, bro! Just stop! Get over it...

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GribbleGrunger  +   179d ago | Well said
@georgeenoob:

"No sh** production is going down, it's 6 months after launch."

Then can you perhaps explain to me why the X1 is at 4.2 million and the PS4 is at 7.3 million, and yet Sony are trying to UP production? You're comments never make sense.

Microsoft stuffed the channels because they thought Titanfall would shift most of them but it didn't happen. They then reduced the price and added Titanfall in for nothing and it STILL didn't shift consoles. Sony announced OVER 7 million 'sold through' so MS (in their infinite wisdom) stuffed the channels with even more consoles so that they could announce 5 million 'sold in'.

It's now clear that there are at least 800,000 consoles sitting on shelves, which has lead to MS having to cease production for a while. It's not looking good I'm afraid and makes it even less likely that devs will take money for exclusives or 'parity'. The PS4 is in a strong position and it looks very much like the lead will stretch over the coming years.

That's what happens when you cater to gamers and a variety of tastes.

As for the 'no games' mantra, you are becoming a dying breed as more and more people are given the proof that it's nonsense. The reality is that the PS4 has MORE games, MORE variety ... and REAL FTP games.
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Nekroo91  +   179d ago | Funny
so i can expect a 15x times more powerfull pc with the power of the cloud?! great. Now theres no need to upgrade it.

/s
truefan1  +   179d ago
It's a slow time of the year and they aren't launching in China until July and the other countries until September, makes perfect sense to cut down production. A majority of people on n4g are so linear people look at the Sony picture. XB1 is selling really well, just not as much as the global ps4. Still plenty of time and honestly I don't mind MSFT playing catch up because they are cranking out games, updates, and trying to move gaming forward.

@GaryColeman have you not been paying attention the last 3 years MSFT has been building it's internal studios and they actual have the money to pay key staff. Also you might as well call Remedy part of the XBOX team seeing as how Quantum Break and Alan Wake 2 will probably keep them busy for a long while.

PS I'll be sure to comment when Sony reports in a little over 2 weeks, you guys must forget Sony also has an earnings call and I assure you outside of selling 7 million there won't be many positives.
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DigitalRaptor  +   179d ago | Well said
@ georgeenoob

You say Microsoft will slap people with the cloud with no basis for that in fact. Yet... when people slap you with ACTUAL fact, you ignore it and continue on with that which you call out Sony guys for.

You name 2 games that don't represent next-gen gaming. You say Kinect makes it feel next-gen, but certainly not for games so multimedia? PS4 has about 1 less AAA game than Xbone, and more of everything else. Better value, more power, significantly better multiplats, more games, more diversity.

You spew inaccuracies. We fix that. You hate it. You get mad. Cycle repeats.

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@ UnbiasedOpinions

Good for you that you don't care about it, but not everyone can have the same level of respect for a company who tried to change this industry for the worse and treat their consumers like their dirty laundry basket. Excuse me for expressing myself where I see fit.

I have the number of bubbles I do because they were reset at one point last year when I only had 3. And I haven't lost that many since they were reset. I don't know why your bubbles are going down. I'm not downvoting you for saying what you like about anything. The bubble system on here is broken, it doesn't correlate that well. If you call it trolling, when I'm responding to a person and calling out their sh*t, whilst embellishing my response with personal preference, then call it trolling.
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ZombieKiller  +   179d ago | Well said
Lifeisgame: HIS comment is ridiculous?! I don't know what is worse, your comment or my thoughts on if you are trolling or not.

"MS is also beefing up their studios, Black Tusk is said to be full of industry vets"

Ok that's one studio, with no games on their resume.
Shows how blind you actually are. 1 by putting your faith in Microsoft and CONTINUING to defend them and secondly, by defending it with THAT. I feel the same way about the people on my 360, I always ask them WHY they think the 360 is better than the PS3 and I always get the same answer. "I dunno it's just ....better" without no actual reason.
I'm curious as to how you even have 1 bubble.
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Pogmathoin  +   179d ago
So, if you say something that does not condemn MS, its ridiculous, but outright BS, a rumour, or fanboy wet dream is bible?
Lukas_Japonicus  +   179d ago | Well said
Lol @ truefan1 and georgeenoob and their absolutely pathetic attempts to spin production of X1's slowing down.

There is one reason and one reason only why MS are slowing down production and that is to get through the stock that is sitting on store shelves, not selling. Supply is greater than demand. It's as simple as that. MS themselves acknowledge this, so why can't you?

"No sh** production is going down, it's 6 months after launch"

It's 6 months after launch for the PS4 too, why isn't production slowing down for that console? Demand remains just as steady.

"It's a slow time of the year"

Oh, really? Then why is the PS4 showing now signs of slowing down? It's clearly not a "slow time of the year" for the PS4. Seriously, truefan....seriously? That has got to be the most pitiful attempt at damage control i have ever seen on this website.

Just....lol. You guys, making things up off the top of your head, trying to quickly rationalize this before you type your comment. Just read those sorry excuses for damage control that i quoted above and see how easy it was for me to disprove them. There is no way to spin this, the X1 isn't doing as well as MS hoped, now they are having to slow down production in order to give the hundreds of thousands of X1's that are sitting on store shelves a chance to sell through. That is as crystal clear as it gets and is how it appears to anyone who isn't in extreme, mind altering denial.
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AceBlazer13  +   179d ago | Intelligent
Where did you guys get the stupid idea Xbone has more AAA games?

PS4(11)
Killzone
Knack
inFamous Second Son
Dynasty Warriors 8
Final Fantasy XIV
Yakuza Isshin *if Japanese or understand it
Amazing Spideman 2
MLB 14 The Show
Bound by Flame
Injustice Gods Among Us
Natural Doctorine *Again Japanese

Xbone(6)
Forza 5
Ryse
Dead Rising 3
Titanfall
Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare
Kinect Sports *if y consider it AAA

AA,Indie and F2P -PS4(A lot)
Warframe
DC Universe
Outlast
Don't Starve
Mercenary Kings
Resogun
Dead Nation
Onigiri
Warplanes
Octodad
Steamworld
Tiny Brains
Flow
Awesomenauts
King Oddball
Basement Crawl
Towerfall Ascension etc. Too many

AA Indie and F2P, Xbone(8)
Killer Instinct
Max a Curse of Brotherhood
Crimson Dragon
Peggle 2
Zoo Tycoon
Powerstar Golf
Fighter Within
LocoCycle
Halo Spartan Assault

The ps4 also has the better multiplats on consoles.So not only does the PS4 have better multiplats, it has more AAA, more FTP, more indies, more diversity and it's cheaper.This is only 6 months in people.Clear who's winning.

Sorry for the long list, blame Sony for so much games.
HaveAsandwich  +   179d ago
i agree with him 100%
Ritsujun  +   179d ago
Awww..... lifeisgamesok's mad.
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nunley33  +   179d ago
I'll leave you with this don mattrick quote from 2008 where he said historically the first to reach 10 million wins the generation. 10 million PS4s sold to customers is rapidly approaching as opposed to the 4million xbones sold and sales slowing down,not a good trend for MS.
phil_75  +   179d ago
@nicksetzer1 More BS http://m.tech.firstpost.com...
kenshiro100  +   179d ago
You said his comment is ridiculous and yet your comment is full of drivel.

The XB1 is getting spanked and spanked hard. Microsoft needs a miracle at this point because they should have NEVER introduced anti-consumer products in the first place.
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UNIFIEDONE  +   179d ago
Evidently resolutions are the actual graphics now!! Lol dumb just plain dumb
Vitroski421  +   179d ago
.... And where can I get what your on..? You must be high as shit
fr0sty  +   179d ago | Funny
Somewhere, in a lonely corner of an office building in Redmond, Washington, a team of people get paid to post positive spin, no matter what ridiculous lengths they have to go to in order to achieve it, on various gaming news sites. They spend their lives caught up in a futile effort, bailing water out of a sinking ship with a spoon.

Even sadder, in a lonely corner of their parents' basement, a group of people with no jobs does the same thing for free.
ufo8mycat  +   179d ago
lifeisgamesok little to no difference?

You need to play BF4 on both XBONE and PS4. The difference is actually quite huge.
tokugawa   179d ago | Trolling | show
Massacred  +   179d ago
Let's all just chill till E3, then we will have a better picture.
Mr Pumblechook  +   179d ago
* Too much Xbone stock produced.
* Stock readily available in retailers is damaging because it damages the perception that it's a sell out.
* Microsoft send Major Nelson to the Mexican desert.
* He claims ownership of Atari cartridges - his real mission is to bury a secret.
* documentary maker launches a Kickstarter to film recovery of 2 million consoles...
adorie  +   179d ago
"There's little to no difference in the graphics between the consoles"

Graphics have to come somewhere, and the PS4 provides the resources to up the ante, or so to speak, when it comes to graphics.
I can only imagine the discrepancy between both consoles becoming more clear, as time goes on.

The GPU in PS4 is almost twice as more resource rich than the one in the X1.

How are you going to change static hardware in favor of the x1, without alienating the current buyers?

Lastly, Dx12 is going to be a step in the right direction, but to think it's going to do for the' bone what it's going to do for PC gaming is just delusions of grandeur.

I do hope Microsoft proves me wrong tho, cause I'm getting close to pickin' up the X1.
Hoping for a price drop and a nice looking roadmap of games@ E3.
Death  +   179d ago
Production has slowed for both manufacturers along with sales. Sony announced 4.2 million consoles sold from November to the end of December. 5.3 million Feb 18th. 6 million March 4th and 7 million April 16th.

This is normal and not something to over analyze. Sales over the holidays account for approx. half the sales for the year. Why would production increase for either company as demand slows down? Some of you are simply reaching way to far to support your beliefs.
ADECENTBOY777  +   179d ago
Man, you have no clue. "Little to no difference in the graphics" - hehe. Well, there is a difference and it's not a little :)

"MS is also beefing up their studios" - SONY has a lot more my friend :) I could go on but it's just pathetic how misguided you are or brain washed by MS bullshit with some tales about the cloud. But maybe you're just on drogs, in that case I apoligize :)
Flamingweazel  +   178d ago
There is a noticeable difference, you burying your head in the sand chanegs nothing.
Flamingweazel  +   178d ago
So sony is sitting by and doing nothing?? Thei 16 W studios with multiple teams are being paid to watch paint dry??

How is one man phil spencer going to change xbox?? Everything goes up the chain like any company moron.

Sony studios Destroy ms... How did me have a betetr launch window? Getting outsold 3:1 WW in 2014 is better? LMAO. MS has NOTH(NG until fall, sony has LAst of us, Bound by flame, FF14, drive lub MLB the show, and on and on.
pyramidshead  +   178d ago
Lots of lovely opinions there, bit of a bummer that they aren't facts like you hoped though. Additionally it's a shame those opinions are bad ones.

Also Aceblazer just totally destroyed you. I think you oughta give him a well said bubble up out of good sportsmanship for being owned.
ArgumentumAdPopulum  +   179d ago | Well said
I agree, without the one year and rrod inflated numbers, Xbox simply can't compete head to head with Playstation. Not being able to play next gen games at 1080p surely doesn't help.
bcrazy18  +   179d ago
I don't think many gamers actually bought a brand new console because of a RROD. I have a 360 and yes I had to replace it a few times but I never had a buy a brand new one. They were always covered under the warranty so that percentage that bought a brand new console is very small. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong but I find it highly unlikely that an enormous percentage had to buy a brand a new console after their initial purchase.
OrangePowerz  +   179d ago
@bcrazy

MS only admitted at a later point that there is an actuall problem and extended the warrenty at a time when early buyers already exceeded the warrenty time. There was plenty of time between warranties expiring and MS extending them for people to have to buy a new console or pay for the repairs.

Also the original 360 had no HDMI port so people like me bought another one when they introduced one that finally had a HDMI port.
Mega24  +   179d ago
I bought 6 Xboxes, 4 died to RROD, 1 to Overheating, and my last Xbox, which is the S that has lasted 4 years now of skyrim and movies. So it took me 5 Xboxes, 3 of them were at $350, 2 at $200, and the S was at $300 with Kinect, forza 3 and Halo reach. Never had to replace my fatty ps3, until December when I traded it for a Vita. Moved to PS4, loving the games, currently playing FFXIV with my friends, on PC and PS3. The only way I could buy an X1 is if they drop the Kinect and give Forza and Titanfall free.
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Prime157  +   179d ago
@bcrazy

I worked at gamestop the last two years, and the number of people saying, "this is the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th xbox I've bought" VASTLY outnumbered people saying that for PlayStation.
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UnbiasedOpinions  +   179d ago
isn't this a slow time for console sales pre E3/Holiday? i think PS4 is doing great and thats a good thing, but to say "RROD inflated numbers" is a bit of a stretch considering Microsoft repaired every console for free and if a customer had a broken 360 they didn't have to buy a new one, they could of went with PS3
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Scrumptious  +   179d ago
I ended up going through six xbox's. Most were repaired for free but I did have to buy one because I only had one red light of death instead of three. I already had a ps3 because I enjoy the benefits of owning all platforms, but I can see the argument of faulty units adding to total sales.
DragonKnight  +   179d ago
Microsoft didn't repair every console for free. It took them 2 years to admit there was a problem, and the warranty only covered RROD, not the E73 or whatever number that error was that was almost as prevalent as RROD, not the disc scratching either. So 2 years of rebuys for RROD and god knows how many more for the other errors.
joeorc  +   179d ago
@UnbiasedOpinions

Microsofts own robbie bach confirmed all 1st production xbox360's had a design fault, one of course they were willing to fix. That was after the 1st 11 million xbox360 units were already produced an manuf. And shipped. They really had no choice at the time because it was too late thats why they ate the 1.8+ billion in order to fix the issue. So when people say inflated sale through # it was do to the extreme high failure rate with consumers not wanting to wait for replacement.

Really the only bad thing you could say about this was Microsoft did not do the right thing for a recall on the product, but doing what Microsoft did was a way to do it but without loosing even more money.

Which was pretty smart choice from a perspective to get the same effect of a recall but not anywhere near the two times the loss they would have taken if they did a full recall. Is it any wonder microsoft chose the way they did it 11 ,million recalls would have been far more expensive.

As for slow down yes an no depends on the temp production saturation point for the retail chains can handle, it seems at this point thst has been reached for Microsoft for right now , not of course for ever until the up sales start again.
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Argento-Nox  +   179d ago
I worked at future shop (Canadian equivalent of Best buy that got bought out by best buy) during and after the launch of the 360 and let me tell you, you are quite wrong with regards to RROD.

Some people without firsthand experience will believe anything MS says. I took back a 1/3 of every 360 I sold, all due to RROD. In these cases we take back that unit and give the customer a new 360. Those RROD units end up sitting in our stockroom as unsellable units until we send them back to MS, in which case they inflate sales numbers since they still count as inventory even if there's new stock arriving.

As a sales Representative who has dealt with sales reps from Nintendo, Sony and MS let me tell you how much BS and PR talk they all spout equally. On the other hand, the MS rep had the gall to lie straight to my face when I asked on behalf of Xbox fans if they would continue game support after the release of the 360. Do you know what the rep told me when I asked him why there was no HDMI port with the initial 360 release? He told me that MS did think it was necessary despite the fact they were selling the system as a next gen HD gaming system (head smack and eyes roll).

I sold 2-6 warranty (which I get a piece of as commission) on practically all 360s I sold. Additional FYI, when MS put in that highly touted falcon chip set to deal with RROD, it helped a lot but I was still seeing 10-15% RROD returns. Seriously if you saw the stack of 100+ refurbished 360s sitting at the front of the store for sale in the new year or had to hear from 360 customers who were buying a 2nd or 3rd 360 while their other unit was being fixed for RROD, it would instantly ended all debate on how bad RROD was. A fact that people fail to see is that MS didn't even admit RROD existed until after they were sued in a 1 billion dollar class action lawsuit in the US, which is when MS extended their 90 day warranty to 2 years for all affected users. I'm telling you as a fact that when I questioned about MS rep about RROD, his response was "We realize there is a small percentage (I call bullshit) of 360 users affected by hardware issues (note he avoided admitting RROD even exists)"; despite the fact I personally had to take back 1/3 of every 360 I sold. I expect PR bullshit from reps (e.g. Sony and psp umd movies, Nintendo's lack of 3rd party games for the Wii, MS for HD DVDs, lack of 360 HDMI support/ Xbox game support post 360 release) but take it more personal when a rep lies to my face or treats me as an idiot despite my sales expertise in the entertainment division (movies, music, games, toys, computer software).

Everyone here can debate the sales BS all they want, but honestly I think it can be agreedagreed upon by all sides that the ps4 is selling better and no doubt will reach 10 million units by September at latest. As long as everyone enjoys the system they bought that's all that really matters. At the end of the day guys, we're all gamers arguing the semantics of game company PR/sales pitches. Play your system(s) of choice and letter the companies do the talking. We all win when each company tries to one up the other, am I right?
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Argento-Nox  +   179d ago
Apologies, I sold 2-3 year warranty on game systems when I worked at future shop. Just noticed the typo, there prob more typos lol
Chevalier  +   177d ago
Really I work EB currently and have for over 6 years and you can't base it off your own experience, but, the buyers as a whole. I sold many replacements and even now I get RROD replacements.
user9558903  +   179d ago
Not everyone hates the Kinect. I love it. But my opinion doesn't matter because you said everyone hates it and that means I can't like it.
choujij  +   179d ago
He probably should have said most. Not that it makes a big difference, but clearly you're prepared to argue semantics.
SilentNegotiator  +   179d ago
Well, if pretending like his hyperbole was meant to be taken seriously makes you feel better about your minority opinion...
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CapraDemon  +   179d ago
@AGARYCOLEMANCLONE

you tell it how it is!
Zombro  +   179d ago
Wow you have a lot of time on your hands I don't even have time to read this
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hkgamer  +   179d ago
The RROD inflating sales figures? TBH I doubt it did that much and if it did then well done to them because they have one of the highest software attach rates per console.

Xbone destined for XBOX install base numebrs? Xbox sold around 25m, Xbone already sold 5m. I think they would do atlease 50m. Though i'm not sure if that is a good figure.

Kinect is annoying and loads of gamers hate it, but don't forget that almost 1 in 3 360 owners has one. I think there are 24 million kinects sold and 80million 360's.

Random VGChartz data:

Kinect Adventures sold 21.02m copies making it the 16th most sold game on a specific platform.

Uncharted "SERIES" sold 18.57m excluding digital.

I know I am talking about prevous gen but I just wanted to state that RROD probably didn't inflate prices that much and Kinect although hated, still has many people wanting it.
TFJWM  +   179d ago
You do know Kinect Adventures was given away free with the Kinect, right?
avengers1978  +   179d ago
RROD inflated numbers quite a bit, fact is that I don't know anyone that only bought one 360, and there are serves posters on this site that have had anywhere from 4-7 360's.
With redesigns, and special edition consoles, and just flat out rebuts due to RROD 360 had seriously inflated numbers...
It's probably pretty well known that I am a "Sony guy" or "fanboy" or whatever, and I had 2 360's... The year early on PS3, and games like bioshock, lost Odeyssey, and gears of war made me get it before PS3 even launched... After the second one died I felt no reason to buy another.
greenlantern2814  +   179d ago
Shipped 5 million. Not sold, you nor I know how many they have actually sold to consumers. If 1.5 mil are sitting in stores than that is less people to buy games, controllers, live accounts.
And shouldn't ms be ramping up production to prepare for the launch of the system in like 40 New territories
T2  +   179d ago
I always wondered about electronics companies and if they do market research to see how often a consumer will replace without complaining... It's staggering to me that some ppl literally bought 5 xbox360... Cell phones too are usually a joke...
I'm not sure the rrod inflated sales much but it makes you wonder if companies hope a person buys at least two consoles and do they factor this in?
Eddie20101  +   179d ago
Xbox 360 fanboys forget that the Xbox 360 was on the market for a year without any competition in the US and a year and a half in Europe without competition. They were nearly 8 Million ahead when PS3 was first released in the states. Much of the Xbox 360's software attach rate came from being on the market without any competition. Since the PS3 has been on the market it has sold more software worldwide than Xbox 360 nearly every month, except when a Halo or Gears of War game was released.

Many who bought a Xbox 360 in the first year bought store warranty's. When you return a broken Xbox 360 on a store warranty they basically refund for the broken one and then sell you a new one, depending on how many times a person may have had to return a broken Xbox 360 on their warranty it could count as a few consoles being sold to one user with only one of those consoles actually being used. Each replacement counted as a sale of a new console.
Also they ran promotions giving Xbox 360's away with new PC purchases for several years. They also gave away Xbox 360's on every talk show known to man.

Many replaced their older Xbox 360's when they added the HDMI port and Wi fi internally.

I have owned 4 Xbox 360's and I was the only one using it. Three for RROD and one(Xbox 360 S) hoping to have a stable none faulty designed console, even though they never really fixed the noise problems(one jet engine instead of two) and the fact that you could heat a room with it(and I did).

Their are many common sense reasons for the over bloated sales figures of the Xbox 360.

Maybe we will be digging up original white RROD Xbox 360's out of a land fill 30 years from now.
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onyoursistersback  +   179d ago
@ lifeisgameok

his comment "Xbox One has the better launch and launch-window"

lol.....windows are great, you can get a clear look at the clouds!!! haha
can some one tell me what he means about it, "launch-window"
?!?!
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Lord Maim  +   178d ago
The "launch window" in the context of a console launch is the period of time immediately after launch (usually six months) where the first games announced and developed for the console will be released. Console manufacturers want to make sure that a large number of games will be available for the launch window before releasing the system, to ensure that people will see the value in upgrading, and drive sales. The sales performance of a console and its software during the launch window is valuable data for adjusting marketing strategy, allocation of resources, and determining manufacturing baselines going forward; its basically the first milestone to determine a console's long term viability.
Milesprowers  +   179d ago
If you care about graphics then get a Gaming PC
DragonKnight  +   179d ago
How about I don't and instead get the most graphically superior console.
SilentNegotiator  +   179d ago
Or for just $400, get a console that has almost entirely 1080p30fps and higher games.
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Milesprowers  +   179d ago
Steam Sales beat the boring PS4 Games
SilentNegotiator  +   179d ago
You're so insecure with your choice of PC that you have to call Ps4 games "boring"?
Atomicjuicer  +   179d ago
The PC "platform" is a fragmented mess that devs can't optimize or target their games for.

The PS4 is a known quantity, a dedicated gaming gift from God.

Enjoy your steam sales but back off on the superiority claims because there is no single PC configuration, you have no brotherhood, no unity and no one here is jealous of you.
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Milesprowers  +   178d ago
What's with the Sony obsession.. PC is all-purpose where-as PS4 is a closed platform, with a specific sets of games with a subscription model.

PC Games are cheaper and modifiable, Garry's mod, Minecraft mods, Skyrim mods, GTA IV mods, Source mods, l4d mods even Call of Duty games have mods which adds massive replay value, plus PC can emulate consoles like Wii/PS2/PSP/NDS/PS1 and all the classic consoles.
jessupj  +   179d ago | Interesting
What a great article. Good read. A lot of very sensible conclusions drawn from solid logic and numbers.

I think anyone with half a brain knows the xbone isn't going to fail, and by fail I mean MS prematurely discontinuing production. However, at it's current trajectory it won't be anywhere close to selling as well as the 360.

When defending the xbone, as certain people do and even MS themselves, they like to point out that it's sold more than it's predecessor. While that is true take a look at this quite.

"...comparing the sales of the Xbox One in its second quarter to the 360 in its second quarter, the One is doing worse. And the 360 was supply-constrained, they couldn’t make them fast enough, whereas the One is oversupplied..."

That's basically what so many of us were saying back in Jan and Feb. That after the early adopters and hardcore fans bought theirs, sales dropped off sharply, but certain people didn't want to hear it. Now the numbers are out facts are slapping you in the face.

As it stands the xbone is set to do a lot worse than the 360, but that's of course if MS does nothing, which of course they won't.

But I'm scratching my head wondering what an earth they could do just to stop the gap from widening, let alone catch up.

They poured literally millions and millions into advertising Titanfall. They dropped the price and bundled it free and still it didn't make a dent in PS4 sales.

MS has a short list of first party teams, so they will need to buy 3rd party exclusives to attract more gamers. But with the PS4 already having a much larger installed base and getting bigger daily, it's going to be very expensive to secure 3rd party exclusivity.

Not the mention the millions they already spent on Titanfall, I doubt investors would be very pleased about spending more millions on the money sponge that is the xbox division.

The xbone certainly won't fail, but MS definitely isn't happy about their current predicament.
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VegasDawg  +   179d ago
Wow dude you are sure full of yourself, when in the first sentence you are WRONG, MS spent 1 billion dollars fixing those consoles and that is fact, not your delusional fanBOY propaganda. I'm not even going to touch the rest of your post you are making things up out of the air,lol.
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IRetrouk  +   179d ago
Not for the first year and a half they didnt, they denied there was a problem, I was lucky as my first rrod happened after they extended the warranty, I ended up going through 5 of the originals, ended up buying the red resident evil one, it stopped playing discs, got an elite, not a problem, sold that and got a gears one, laser is now done, so yeah they kinda had to pay to fix the problems or would have been sued by people like me that had genuine problems with the system, you can defend all you want, the problem was there and it was big. As for the one, it seems way better built, should definitely help, but slowing down production is never a good sign, especially when the competition is not.
joeorc  +   179d ago
It was 1.8 billion total! This was already went over they deferred payments as needed over time, if they did a recall of all 11 million 1st production systems it would have been far more expensive, think thats at bare min. Shipping the same console 4 times, the cost to repair is not even counted in yet. So 11 million systems where each one would have been shipped 4 times so microsoft did the smart thing.

And did it this way. There was infact over 11 million fault designed xbox360 units Robbie Bach even talked about it.
XxExacutionerxX  +   179d ago
WOW, Another story against Microsoft's Xbox One to bring in the Sony Fanboys!!! Great, because we all love to hear their dumb comments. Xbox One is awesome and to me is the better choice between both consoles. Xbox One will not be the same console in four or even two years that it is now. Stop the hate sony fanboys. Ps4's specs and ghaphics are not that much better, come on stop BSing the public.
Delsin_Rowe  +   179d ago
If you want other PlayStation fan to stop hating well you better stop hating on us too. The cycle of life, everybody will hate and there no stoping it unless you do a difference in N4G. Right now instead of fighting with each other, why not just stop ourselves first from starting to throw the first rock. Yosp and Phil respect each other, They congratulate each other on their launch day of next generation system.
joeorc  +   179d ago
You call this hate? Last cycle was you here. Than asking for no hate on Sony?

All of this happens every cycle just ignore it. Grow some thicker skin.
pyramidshead  +   178d ago
I'd feel embarrassed if I ever typed out a comment like this.
UltraNova  +   178d ago
@joeorc

Exactly my thoughts.

I m in awe if guys like the above consider this hate. 2007 makes 2013-14 seem like kinder garden singing in comparison!

MS slapping/hate is nothing compared to Sony's last gen, seriously. Sony only mistake was to launch a 600 dollar console that's all, not the anti-consumer device form corporate hell like MS tried to.
avengers1978  +   179d ago
This is not a good sign, I figured they would be upping production going into there launch in 40 more territories in September.
BattleN  +   179d ago
I'm surprised people even buy The Xbone overpriced underpowered piece of plastic when instead they could buy a PS4. It's strange to me and I own a 360 too
Azzanation  +   179d ago
Or maybe MS don't need to do nothing, as they are making money with the X1 and they don't have to beat the PS4 to stay alive in the gaming market.

Do us all a favour and don't ever talk for the rest of us.
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otherZinc  +   179d ago
It's truly amazing how the author cannot link M$s repot to its shareholders that shows how profitable the XBOX ONE is.

M$ is hiring, expanding, & investing in the XBOX ONE. Meanwhile, SONY is firing employees, selling assets, & investing nothing towards the PS4 compared to the XBOX ONE.
IRetrouk  +   179d ago
Wrong, people have moved on and yes sony is cutting fat but they ARE hiring and have even registered two new domain names, plus we know next to nothing about what most of their devs are doing, so far sony have provided more games for their audiance than micro, thats a fact by the way.
DoubleM70  +   179d ago
Everything you just said is objectional based on your feelings. N4G needs to remove this post from their forum.
MichaelLito79  +   179d ago
@Gary why you spreading lies. It seems to amaze me how you and a few on this site spread so much garbage. Try the system out before knocking it.
cheetah  +   179d ago
This sums up the situation perfectly. The whole "cloud" crap is getting pathetic, talk about desperation stakes.
dmitrijs88  +   179d ago
say what you wanna say, but unless X720 gets another Titanfall level (semi)exclusive, its sales are gonna go down or at least wont be able to keep with PS4 sales in its major territories.
pheature  +   179d ago
really?
rrod = garentee?

why buy another when i get it fixed?
ramiuk1  +   179d ago
it would interesting to know the figures of xbox 360 if deducted the rebuys from red rings or banned for piracy.
i know i had 3 RROD(custom fw) and was also banned 3/4 times.
so thats 7 from me lol,i still own my 7th and its been legit since 250gb slim came out
brave27heart  +   179d ago
I might agree with what you're saying Agarycolemanclone, but you're saying it like a douche so disagree it is.
WilDRangeRrfc  +   179d ago
I have PS4 and X1 and it's obvious you hate MS truth is 360 was the best last gen PS4 this gen get over it,I love the Sony fanboy theory that 360 sales were high because of RROD,I had a 360 4 years and then got RROD out of warrenty by a year they replaced it free of charge picked it up and dropped it off within 7 days,this was common practise so your made up theory that 360 had added sales because of rrod is BS,it's because 360 performed better had better online better multiplats and was cheaper the PS3 sales wise and consumer wise was a failure and only in the last couple of years has hit its potential,PS3 was expensive had worse multiplats and Sony were arrogantlast gen sound familiar?? That's why X1 is the new PS3 a failure compared to PS2 and that's why all you ponies hate MS because they took massive market share and consumers hearts and minds last gen
AndrewLB  +   179d ago
"* Graphics hardware so weak it is having trouble even running games at next gen resolutions "

umm... yea. So you're saying Sony's PS4 has no problem running games in native 1080p?

Last i checked, Sony lied to everyone and got caught red handed because KZSF is not 1080p, but 960x1080i
EXVirtual  +   179d ago
First off all, GG lied. Not Sony. The reason as to why it was 960x1080i was because it was a launch title. Not to mention the fact that the SP Is native 1080p.
Secondly, don't try to spin this. The XBO can't even run Trials Fusion, a downloadable only game at 1080p.
Gunstar75  +   179d ago
If you can't be a fanboy on N4G where can you be one?
DVS-Zev  +   179d ago
Cut kinect and lower the price.$50 at least but $100 if they want to make a difference.
morganfell  +   179d ago
Here is the problem. It isn't price alone. There were bundles a plenty at $449 recently. This was basically a $389 with a $60 and it wouldn't sell better than the PS4.

When Titanfall launched, the very day it launched the X1, standard and bundle versions were outsold at every major retailer in the US by a PS4. In several cases, Gamestop was one, the X1 bundle at $499 was being outsold by a PS4 bundle that was runnung $558. The X1 bundle at Walmart was being outsold by a PS4 bundle at $576.
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Belasco  +   179d ago
Then what would you suggest then?
choujij  +   179d ago
I think they'll have to drop it down to $349. And even then I'm not sure that boost would continue in momentum without killer exclusives. There's also the matter of consumer trust if they do such a large drop. So they'd have to do something like Nintendo did with the 3DS and reward early adopters. Simply owning a system prior to a major price drop is not a reward in itself.
air1  +   179d ago
So what are you saying Morgan... That the xb1 can only be defined as a success only if it sells just as many or more than the ps4?

I remember when the ps3 was behind in sales by 5 million and all ppl like you kept saying was it's not by much but now that the cheaper ps4 console is ahead by 2 or 3 million it's all doom and ms is getting crushed....
morganfell  +   179d ago
Well air1, here is what you have chosen, either purposefully or by lack of knowledge, to ignore. The PS3 started a year behind in the US and Japan and at least 18 months in the rest of the world. Some territories even further behind. It was 5 mil behind because of a massve headstart. And it started closing the gap immediately.

The PS3 was outselling the 360 worldwide. It was gaining on the 360 every month, little by little. You can go back and look at the officially reported numbers. That isn't happening with the X1. The gap is widening rather than closing. The difference in the situation last gen and this gen is a galaxy apart. You cannot compare the two at all.

As regards the X1, it must play to its strengths. Attempting to beat the PS4 at the raw power game will result in the sure demise of the X1. It won't disappear but it will wind up as an also ran. MS has forced Kinect on gamers and then failed to show them why Kinect matters. The pass thru may have some great features but MS has failed there too. They need to show why this truly matters.

And by all means they must avoid moments like we just saw in Japan. I do not like Phil Spencer nor trust him. But he has swayed some people recently and much of that goodwill was just undone in a single presser.
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air1  +   179d ago
Bla bla blah Morgan.... I know the history, I know all about the 1yr head start and global sales. Since you want to go down that road though let's not forget the massive momentum the ps2 set the ps3 with. And no it did not start to close the gap immediately it took yrs to get it at the 5 million mark.

The playstation is a very strong brand obviously but you really need to stop coming off so one sided cause I'm pretty sure no one would have thought, including Sony, that all it would have taken was a yr head start to lose as much market share as they did.

We are a few months in morgan wtf bro relax... You're right in a sense, the 360 had what? A 10 million + lead before the ps3 launched?! So yes the recovery is a galaxy apart compared to the 2-3 million lead currently. But hey I get it xb1 has to close that gap over night cause you know.... next gen is going to start in a few months right...

I'm glad ms decided to give kinect 100% support to be honest with you I'm tired of the piss poor support Sony gives it's add on's. I like the potential kinect has and love what it can currently do so speak for your self on that whole "forced" issue cause I haven't read many complaints about kinect from those that actually have it and tried it.. Yes I agree the pass through feature is awesome! You're a fool if you think it won't get better...

You like to use the word failed a lot don't you? I have never seen you use it towards the ps4 though.. Let's talk about the touch pad, is that a failure, the eye toy must be a failure too right? The ps4 can't turn on my entertainment system so is that a fail, no it's not right cause the raw specs makes it all ok right?! Oh but I'm sure you have the handy dandy remote control argument..

Ms is still ridding the train on cloud compute so IMO they must be working on something big and with me being a gamer since the Atari days and knowing the kind of resources ms has I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I would much rather be positive about it and hope that they make it happen than to be a bitter negative "gamer" like you and if they fail Morgan trust me when I tell you my world will not end and I'm sure I will be playing awesome games regardless of how it plays out..

Ps raw power does not mean an auto win I'm sure you know that though, I'm sure you owned a ps2 maybe even a wii.. You never did answer my question though does the ps4 define the success of the xb1?
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imt558  +   179d ago
Well, about Titanfall ( Saturn store in Germany ) :
http://i208.photobucket.com...

Well, according to Best Buy, Walmart and other retailers in US, they returned Xbone ( Titanfall bundle also ) price to 499$. Unofficial lowering price is gone.

http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/se...
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IRetrouk  +   179d ago
@ air. In a way yes.

Its like any competion, theres a winner and a loser, although I think you are looking for a more complicated argument, as for all the other stuff, I couldnt care either way, I enjoy games on many systems but when you slow down production its only ever for one reason.
Why o why  +   179d ago
Yep... success is usually pitted against something. Even ms compared the x1 early sales to the 360s early sales so it wouldn't be silly to compare against the competition. IF ms didn't use the ps4 sales as a barometer, why would they cut price and bundle an alleged system seller.....I mean its doing better than the 360 right.....ok then, so ms is contradicting what some are trying to champion. Slowing down production isn't the end of the world but like the article suggests, its not the best scenario either ESPECIALLY when compared to the ps4. If you compare them to the wii u, both the x1 and ps4 are doing great. Comparisons with the competition are a part of business.
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Geoff900  +   179d ago
@Belasco

More exclusive games would be a start.
morganfell  +   179d ago
"...I know the history..."

Apparently you didn't. If you did then you intentionally ignored facts. So you ignored facts to suit the play of your hand or you are lying now. Which is it as you cannot have both.

"...it took yrs to get it at the 5 million mark."

No, you are wrong and now you want to double down again to support your point of view. After the first year of sales MS had garned over a 5 mil X360 lead before the PS3 ever launched. And the PS3 started closing the gap.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

"We are a few months in morgan wtf bro relax"

No. I am not your bro. And you do not get to make a friendly statement having begun the reply with "Bla bla blah Morgan...." ....pal.

"I get it xb1 has to close that gap over night"

Just how is the X1 ever going to close the gap by attempting to play the power game with Sony? Magic clouds? Do you have any idea what is about to happen? MS have no major titles coming until late in the year if at all. Do you realize what is going to occur when PlayStation Now launches in North America this year? Do you understand MS will lose their home country severely and forever at that point?

"I'm glad ms decided to give kinect 100% support..."

Really? Where is that? Though I believe MS needs to support Kinect to survive, if what they have done so far is 100% support they are in serious trouble. What does 50% look like? MS has yet to show a 1st party game that requires Kinect and is a AAA blast to play. Voice commands and OS navigation? That isn't support. And potential means squat without follow through. A real Kinect game would have been money better spent than the amount they lost on Titanfall.

"You're a fool if you think it won't get better... "

Wanting isn't enough. There has to be a plan and then that plan has to be executed. If your car is going over a cliff you start applying the brakes. You do not wait until you have picked up even more speed heading at the edge. If MS has real plans, besides NFL contracts, they need to speak now. Trying to save up for E3 for a big bang is a mistake. They should have so much stuff they can say something now besides "We have a few small games this summer." Magic clouds are not plans.

"Let's talk about the touch pad, is that a failure"

Hmm devs are using it and it didn't add $100 to the PS4.

"...the eye toy must be a failure too right? " What? Have you seen Live from PS? Who started the Usteam/Twitch revolution on console? Back when MS supporters were screaming "Why would anyone watch someone play a game?" those numbers were through the roof. And here is the part you are ignoring...again...ITS OPTIONAL.

"Ms is still ridding the train on cloud..."

They are trying to get mileage out of a failed concept that will not function in the manner described. Japanese journalists in the audience were laughing at the remarks in the presser. MS is riding the cloud...off a cliff.

"I would much rather be positive about it and hope that they make it happen than to be a bitter negative "gamer" "

I am not bitter at all. I love gaming. Calling a lie when you see one isn't bitterness. And unlike you I do not have the poison of dishonesty in me. I am honest about my support for Sony. Been in any PS4 threads lately attacking Sony? What about now? Hypocrisy much?

"You never did answer my question..."

Partially. Market share is a measure of success.
air1  +   178d ago
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

So you got me bro...lol I was wrong the 360 didnt have a 10 million but going by your factual link and the very same link I provided it says in May 2010 i35.95 million for ps3. Your link has the 360 at 40.3million.

"How is the xb1 going to close the gap"

We'll ms is obviously betting on your first 2 question, are they not? I know I know.... It's all lies and I'm a sheep, right... No I don't know what's going to happen but can I please look into the very magic 8 ball you're shaking around? Please? You said it Morgan.. Xb1 will have major titles later in the year just like it has been pretty much every Gen I can remember, you stating "if at all" just points to your lousy one sided mind... You love facts Morgan so can you give me another factual link on ms losing its home turf severely, maybe then I will understand or should I just take your word for it?

Seriously Morgan? You're asking me how is ms supporting kinect, you're that blind huh... We'll I'll tell you what's 100% and what's 50%... 100% is bundling the camera, 50% not bundling the camera. In other words everyone that has a xb1 has a kinect, can you say the same about eye toy?! Again lil bro.... We are a few months into this gen but you want to act like an ass and be like "show me now" you're nothing but a self entitled impatient little kid like the rest of your Sony fanatic bros... And who are you to tell anyone what ms should spend its money on? you clearly feel some type of way about the xb1 you clearly don't want a xb1 you want a(morganfell box one). In other words wtf does tf have to do with kinect?! Do you even know of the games that use kinect in a great way, or do you need a link for that too?

"Wanting isn't enough"

Clearly you are acting childish with a "show me now" mentality,again you are a self entitled, fickle, bitter, "gamer" and I use the term "gamer" loosely...

That damn touch pad better not add 100$ to the price! It can't recognize you and sign you in it can't turn on your entertainment center it can't see you in the dark it can't track you all it does is the same gimmick vita does with it pad...

"They are trying to get mileage from a failed concept" when did it fail bro? Shaking that magic ball again? You're all about facts right... So give me that link that it failed, if you can't do that then mail me that damn 8ball! Lol

Bro... I support all consoles and call it how I see it down the middle. I will own all the consoles like I have since Atari.. I don't play that bs show me or I won't buy I know it will be a great gen full of games and hope just like it always have been. I have no doubt in my mind that the ps4, xb1, and wiiu will deliver some great stuff to play and experience...

My word of the month has been fool.. So I will call you a fool for thinking that ms did not come with a plan, or any another console maker for that matter.. Fact is bro... You're a bitter "gamer" with a lame mentality..

So tell me Morgan.. If you came from the bottom with nothing and created something in direct competition with someone else and they made 5 million but you made 2.5, considering you are the newer kid on the block would you call your self a loser? The day you grow up will be the day you realize you measure your own success and grow. Whether you like it or not the xb1 is a success and those that have it love kinect.
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morganfell  +   178d ago
"...it says in May 2010 i35.95 million for ps3. Your link has the 360 at 40.3million."

And the problem is? The PS3 had took 3 years to take over a millionn off the lead. From there the library blew up and the rate at which it overtook the 360 accelerated.

"You said it Morgan.. Xb1 will have major titles later in the year..."

No I didn't say that. You are not reading what I wrote. Why do you need to change what I said? What I wrote was this: "MS have no major titles coming until late in the year if at all"

No major titles until later this year IF AT ALL.

There will be multiplatform titles where the X1 will continue to lag behind the PS4. But AAA exclusives to the X1? You misquoted me and on purpose.

"...your lousy one sided mind..."

Seriously, my lousy mind? What are the big X1 exclusives this fall? The ones that say "You have to have this!"

" You love facts Morgan so can you give me another factual link on ms losing its home turf severely..."

Uhm, NPD. Microsoft threw the kitchen sink at the PS4 in the month of March...and lost. And they lost more severely than the previous month. And by avoiding vgchartz, and actually tracking the sales numbers from the top 4 retailers in the US, you will see the X1 sold less during launch week for Titanfall than it did the previous week. And the numbers dropped every week approaching the end of March. And here is more news. They have been dropping every week since then. April's NPD spread will be even worse. So if you want to ignore the main reporter for sales numbers in the US, NPD, go ahead. I hope you get a good night's sleep because that is all it will purchase for you.

"You're asking me how is ms supporting kinect,..."

Having a device in the package is not the same as supporting it. And yes I asked. And your answer is... *cricket* *cricket*

"Do you even know of the games that use kinect in a great way"

I have already asked that. And to think you accused me of not answering a question. What are the big Kinect games so far? There. I asked A SECOND TIME. The big games that do something only possible with Kinect. And if you say voice commands you will be laughed at severely. That is not a feature only possible with a device that added $100 to the console. And it isn't just me that believes this. It has been the major outcry from the gaming community. If you are going to charge more you have to be able to justify your cost. So what are the Kinect titles that provide said justification? You see here is what you are missing. I do not have a problem with the technology of Kinect. I have a problem with it not being optional and I have an issue with people using features claiming, "This is what Kinect makes possible" when a simple microphone will do the same. The PlayStation Camera has numerous voice commands. It just isn't something to brag about since it is a microphone feature.

Also I find it odd you keep thinking Sony should support the Eye Toy, a peripheral for the PS2. Do you know what generation this is now? If you are going to attempt, even poorly, to slam something at least know what it is you are attempting to attack. Maybe you are referring to the PlayStation Camera, with which Sony has thus far offered good support FOR AN OPTIONAL ITEM they chose not to ram down a consumers throat.
morganfell  +   178d ago
"Clearly you are acting childish with a "show me now" mentality..."

I am childish? How many time in this thread have you personally attacked me so far? Go ahead and count. Your explanation is a personal attack. You cannot answer the question. No you are the one being an adolescent because when confronted with something you cannot debate, your first action is to drop the subject at hand and resort to assaults on my person. Tsk tsk.

"That damn touch pad better not add 100$ to the price!"

http://www.gamestop.com/ps4...

http://www.gamestop.com/xbo...

"It can't recognize you and sign you in..." Neither can the Xbox One controller. The PlayStation Camera does facial recognition and can sign you in. This is optional if you want to use it. Just as the PlayStation Camera purchase is optional. Sony gave gamers choice. Freedom. You are ignoring the millions and millions of people on forums worldwide that see Kinect as a waste of money. They wanted choice. Sony gave this to gamers.

"Bro... "

Again...not your bro.

"My word of the month has been fool.. So I will call you a fool."

Again, this is the sign of a last defense, a personal attack.

" If you came from the bottom with nothing and created something..."

MS came into the gaming industry but not from nothing. From day one they used thug tactics to ram DirectX down everyone's throat. Older gamers remember this. Then they entered the console arena and threw around money with no consideration at all to the ecosystem they were entering. And to many gamers Kinect has yet to show it's worth. Apparently most since the wallet has spoken. Sony came in with the PS4 and continued to build on the success. The X1 has been one 180 turn after another.
air1  +   178d ago
"The problem is?"

I guess there is no problem.. Unless if it's ms of course, immediate is close a 2 million gap over night but if it's Sony immediate turns in to 3 yrs to close the gap by a million from a lead of close to 5 million, what was that word you used before? I think it was hypocrite?

"No I didn't say that"

Clearly you didn't say that, I just wanted to see if your fanboy side would show a little more so I can tell you to read that again then maybe you will realize how foolish you are..

"Aaa exclusives to the x1? Why are you asking me? I'm a patient gamer and will gladly give you the list after e3, gasp... There I go again being sheepish huh..You're the one with the 8 ball that can see into the future, I asked you if I can borrow it.

"Uhm npd"

So what are you saying a 2 million lead is severe and it's impossible to close that? you think ms only has one kitchen sink.. If you want to ignore that the gen just started and is going to go on for yrs then I'm sorry but I have to call you foolish again bro..

"Cricket cricket" lol I actually believe you when you say that's all you hear.. But hey let's ignore that kinect has a install base of about 5million giving devs a reason to do something with it knowing that everyone will have kinect to experience it, how many eye toys have sold on the ps4 to give devs an incentive to do something with it? Right....

"I have already asked that" there you go again Morgan... Pal... You're acting like a 7yr old demanding a chocolate candy bar right now! Lol you seriously have an issue with patience don't you? I mean I would understand you if it was like 2 yrs later with no "big" game for kinect but c'mon bro... Months later? It can be argued that the console them selves really don't have a must have truly next gen game does that mean they will never have one?

Morgan seriously take the time and research what kinect brings to the table that the eye toy can't do if kinect

Ya Morgan it's such a big out cry that a 400 dollar superior console is out selling a drastically (/s) weaker console by a whopping 2million! Considering the 360and ps3 sold over 80 million.. Man this was a mike Tyson fight! Ms got knocked out in the first round! Lmfao

Lol I agree the eye toy isn't anything to brag about.. Compare the specs of both as closely as you do with the consoles... Lol

Yea isn't it odd how I keep calling it the eye toy.. Lol must be the twilight zone..

You see it as ramming it down your throat and I see it as giving that technology a true shot at success due to the fact that everyone that has a xb1 has kinect there for devs have an incentive, but I know your type.. You're the show me right now or you're a liar but you still love gaming right? Patience is a virtue..

Look bro after all this back and forth all I'm trying to show and tell you is that you are calling the game way too early, ms is huge and can throw a city at you never mind a stupid sink.. Maybe the ps4 will continue to out sell the xb1 forever like you claimed in your other post but you have no facts to prove that.. You can call out numbers trends this that but the fact is you have no clue what ms has planed for e3, none what so ever... Or if the cloud really is possible You can't just choose to use fact when it benefits you.. We have a long road ahead of us..
morganfell  +   178d ago
All of your arguments have degraded into a series of personal attacks. It is the last refuge of the defeated. Do not bother with the ehite flag. Save it to bandage your wounds. You will need it.

The gap is expanding rapidly and the X1 has no major exclusive to offer between now and the fall at the earliest, perhaps next year. There does come a time when one sees the handwriting on the wall and this generation bears no resemblance to the past. That is another one of your monumental errors. While you are looking backward to the past for clues how to win the present, the future slips away.

You made unfounded claims about the validity of Kinect yet when asked for justifying software you retreat into sophomioric attempts to belittle me on a personal basis. Laughable as even your insults show little imagination.

Anyone that reads this exchange between us will note one thing if naught else. You cannot back up your earlier claims and now are attempting to say you are "investing in the future". The software that was your proclaimed reason to own a Kinect is vaporware as of now so you retreat to your fall back position, defeated.

Again, it is sheer failure on your part. This is why people cannot justfy paying the extra money for Kinect. In the midst of your fit you come up angry and instead of offering the reasons you earlier claimed were in abundance you instead resort to flinging excrement at me.

You cannot argue your point let alone have a civilized debate as once you are confronted with insurmountable facts and your ability to misquote is hobbled your words turn to anger and you attack the individual rather than the points they are making.

You were not testing my "fanboy side" as you say rather you failed to properly read. End of story. This occurs when one is upset and out of kilter as your words against me clearly demonstrate. You have been handily undone and it has affected your ability to properly deflect a point with any semblance of reason.

So you may cease you transparent backpeddling saying your act was intentional. It wasn't. You misread in your anger and fell on your face.

There is zero hypocrisy in what I said... period and you cannot refute the facts. The numbers closed every year twixt the PS3 and 360 albeit at varyin speed. Scream if you want, use your last bubble but facts are stubborn things. With the X1 and PS4 matters are different and the chasm is exapanding.

Like Microsoft, you fail to understand people only truly adopt technology when they want it. Forcing it upon them they become like a cat fighting against being shoved into a small cage. But then again, you apparently toe the MS line that coinsumers are too ignorant to understand what is good for them.

Now burn that last bubble and be done.
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air1  +   178d ago
Morgan buddy... You lost and you know it.. Not one paragraph you wrote had a link stating that the ps4 is guaranteed to win on forever ?.not one link ...

You seem to think that it's impressive for sony to close a 5 million lead by one million in 3 yrs.. Yet it's all doom for ms months into the new gen because they are behind by 2 million...

You are completely ignoring my questions and comments all because you have thin skin and get offended by being called foolish, childish, self entitled and ignorant, sorry bro but it's true.. Go get some rest and try reading everything that has been said with a clear mind because you clearly don't get it...

Anyway Morgan my friend... I will talk to you again after e3..
morganfell  +   178d ago
I am not your friend and we will not speak again. An adult discussion with you is impossible. Worse, you are ether purposefully or accidentally oblivious to you own lack of simple manners.

I asked you repeatedly for links to software you calimed exited. Software that makes the Kinect a must have piece of hardware. You avoided the question and over several posts insulted me personally time and again. You didn't so much as forget the priginal discussion but chose to avoid it as the facts were inconvenient for you.

The fact is you were running aropund making unfounded claims and were closelined for your actions.

There is no link stating the X1 will lose forever and you know this. But there is common sense. There are forecast trends. You have now asked for this in the very last post when you didn't previously. After getting the trouncing of a lifetime on every single point you attempted you literally lost your mind. I showed your posts to a friend of mine and he was in stitches. You can literally go down your remarks and watch you lose your temper with each post.

As soon as the swelling goes down and you stop seeing stars you should frame this conversation as a reminder to yourself how not to walk into a discussion. This link you now want, after avoiding the Kinect Software question repeatedly, is simply a last ditch attempt on your part to walk away with a shred of dignity. Do not bother as if it ever existed you sacrificed it the moment you chose to have a public tantrum.

We do have proof positive that unlike last generation the console that launched last is falling further behind every month instead of immediately gaining ground. Unlike the console that launched last in the previous generation this one, the X1, has a much longer software draught ahead of it. Unlike last generation, the console which launched behind has an additional piece of hardware for which neither MS nor it's raging fans can find a justification. You just made that very clear.

The PS3 had an extra piece of hardware in it - the Bluray player. But unlike Kinect, the Bluray player had immediate value as it was the player for the winner of the next gen disc format. In fact the PS3 Bluray player was so good it was for several years the de facto standard for tests and even at the PS3 launch price was cheaper for years than most other Bluray players.

Kinect? Well you did not answer the repeated question because you could not answer it. There is no "Must Own" kinect software. Maybe you are angry because you realize you have been played by MS and like a wife that is battered have chosen to continually defend your husband.

Microsoft has not supported their forced peripheral and they have left persons such as yourself with nothing more than empty pockets and a bag full of wild claims. Claims on which you were called and were soundly beaten to the ground.

Now you say "after E3" I guess that is your version of "Wait until my I get my Daddy". Enjoy staring at Kinect, or rather it staring at you while you wave your hands to navigate the web and then become so flustered you pick up the controller. Enjoy the console that wasn't designed for core gamers: http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/...

Enjoy it all. And E3? That is going to be unpleasant for you. Of course things will already be ugly when June arrives. Seen the latest sales of the top 4 US retailers? Ooooh I am shuddering.
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SilentGuard  +   179d ago
No, they would need to drop the price $150 without Kinect. The console would be fairly and reasonably priced at $349 without Kinect considering the PS4 is $399 with more expensive RAM and GPU.
-Foxtrot  +   179d ago
Well they could have a bundle without Kinect, not getting rid of Kinect completely, just an OPTIONAL bundle to choose from.

They'll see that Kinect is not as liked as they thought because if they cut Kinect, that bundle will sell a lot.

From here on out though the next step is to suck up to us as much as they can to gain our trust back and because of that they'll be forced to invest their money in first party games way more in the future, not just for this year. It's going to kill them but it has to be done if they want people back. Suppose it's a good thing because if this thing was selling more then PS4 I bet they wouldn't be investing as much into first party games as they would be doing now. Microsofts loss is our gain. Hopefully we'll see Conker 2, Banjo Threeie, Alan Wake 2, more new IPs from newly formed studios.
joeorc  +   179d ago
While I see what you stated foxtrot, I do think microsoft will not be ready to even entertain the drop of kinect because of VR! Microsoft like Sony pretty much attend all the same conputer science events This cycle is pretty much to add on functionality from motion control with VR. When all three Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all made motion control systems for the consoles VR was being shown to be a heavy fav for investment forward. Already Sony an facebook are already going in look for microsoft to release info of kinect with a VR benefits added to kinect. Its pretty much why many were excited for kinect not just for motion control. It was what kinect could do with VR combined.
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jhoward585  +   179d ago
all i have to say this year E3 is going to be a battle ground. MS isn't going to give up with out a fight. And, Sony isn't going to allow MS to take their title.

Wow, this sound like the Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas fight.

I can't wait.
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SniperControl  +   179d ago
Yep, MS are going to "kill Sony" this E3.

(just adding my remark was sarcasm)
bcrazy18  +   179d ago
They may not "kill" Sony but they will have a very good showing and probably "beat" Sony but I'm sure Sony has some tricks up their sleeve as well. This year's E3 will surely be an interesting one.
MasterCornholio  +   179d ago
Yeah that went well for them last E3.

Did Greenburg say that?
HaydenJameSmith  +   179d ago
Agreed but somehow I think MS will steal the show but Sony should still give a great show too... very intrigued about this VR tech they announced at GDC.
No_Limit  +   179d ago
YAWN...slow news day.
BIB  +   179d ago
News so slow...You decided to comment on the story being slow despite over 90 comments and counting at 440 degrees. Way to stealthily downplay the Xbox One's sales difficulties.
No_Limit  +   179d ago
It has 90 plus comments and 1000 degree because it is a negative XB news. It is normal here but it doesn't change the fact that it is another blog piece posted but has nothing new to contribute to actual real fresh gaming news but it is the same old tired opinion pieces posted before in many of the same blog articles. Slow news day indeed.
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corvusmd  +   179d ago
All these fanboys are right, XB1 is doomed...all these N4G opinion article prove it. Well I guess now we can all just take the high road and not kick MS while they are down. Clearly this isn't just and attempt to troll and state opinions based on nothing like they are fact. Sad that one of the gaming industry giants is dead in less that 6 months since launch despite breaking their own records, but at least now that PS fanboys can claim ultimate victory and that all Xbots will have to admit they were having fun completely wrong this whole time...at least now we can move on like adults and stop talking about how MS has been trying to ruin the world. Thank you PS fanboys for saving us when we were too stupid to save ourselves. Now, what should we do about the worldwide economic crisis, and how do we solve hunger and bring about everlasting world peace?
MysticStrummer  +   179d ago | Well said
The "PS3 is doomed" articles went on here for years. No one took the high road then. Is that justification? No, but it's silly to expect world fanboy peace after the XB side danced on what they thought, or hoped, was PS's grave for most of last generation.
DigitalRaptor  +   179d ago
Yes indeed.

What this all proves is that people feigning desire for "fanboy peace", are the kind that can give the criticism and the fanboyism, but they just can't take it. It matters not to me, the sensitivity of others at this stage. It's their choice to be sensitive that PS4 is in a better position and leading the generation. The opposite of how they imagined things to be.

It's my choice to gloat, and be happy that Microsoft was declined from leading the industry into a terrible, irreversible state or handing consumers their asses, like they originally planned to.
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avengers1978  +   179d ago
I remember those days vividly, being called a moron, an asshole, a c*ck sucker, not a real gamer, just for being a playstation fan, even though I had both 360 and PS3 at one point. You would lose bubbles for saying anything that wasn't ripping Sony apart, or be banned for any negative MS comment.
100 disagrees for saying hey PS3 just came out give it time.
Or trying to justify the price, with bluray, wifi, Bluetooth, rechargeable controllers, 40 gigs more HDD, and remember the first PS3 was backwards compatible.

Now the tides have turned and the other side is up in arms.

Only give out what you can take in return, cause what goes around comes around
pyramidshead  +   178d ago
Very well said indeed. Enjoy that bubble sir.
MysticStrummer  +   179d ago
Let me put this to the community… or whoever happens to see this…

I just got a PM from corvus thanking me for proving his point, though in the PM he somehow managed to misquote me.

The question for the rest of you is, did I prove his point? I'm honestly confused that he thinks so.
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johndoe11211  +   179d ago
You did prove that he is delusional and probably doesn't have a good understanding of the english language......
gobluesamg  +   179d ago
He's just another fanboy denouncing fanboy behavior and claiming to take the high road. Delusional.
avengers1978  +   179d ago
You didn't prove his point, I'm pretty sure that he just proved your point.
kenshiro100  +   179d ago
Ah, but the PS3 was certainly doomed years ago, right? And now that the shoe is on the other foot, there's an outcry?

Cry me a freaking river. Boo-hoo, no one can criticize the high and mighty Microsoft!
LGM313  +   179d ago
I think Phil Spencer and Phil Harrison should change their names to "Ï Feel Sorry Spencer and I Feel Sorry Harrison". And where is that Major "the power of the cloud" nothing guy BTW?
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hkgamer  +   179d ago
Phil harrison is a console curse.

Sony consoles spiked when he left.
MS consoles have been declinig since he joined.

OK I may have made that up but it surely feels that way
colonel179  +   179d ago
I was thinking the same!

Phil Harrison was responsible for Home, just saying. He wasn't that good imo. Also, since he left Sony, and Shuhei was put in charge Sony has improved a lot.

The thing is that Phil was focusing too much in casual gaming, something seems that fits perfectly with MS vision with Kinect (at least until Phil Spencer was made boss)
hkgamer  +   179d ago
@colonel179

Phil Harrison had vision. Home concept was great but it is just a concept and no devs would want to put that much effort into making Home assets.

I mean if Home loaded in seconds and I was able to view multiplayer maps in games and discuss tactics with team members and then able to load map straight from that then it would be amazing.
SniperControl  +   179d ago
Dont forget Atari, where are they now?
SixtyNine  +   179d ago
It's quite obvious now. News is slow since E3 isn't for a little while longer.

The Mob have shifted focus from WiiU and Vita to Xbox ONE.
MichaelLito79  +   179d ago
I agree Twelve
KinjoTakemura  +   179d ago
This isn't any surprise. When have you went into a store that sells video games and not seen a stack of xbox one's sitting on the floor or in a display case?
candy_mafia  +   179d ago
Well I don't know why X1 and PS4 users are always going at it???

We have more in common than PC gamer elitists..we should stick together. Lool
Smitty2020  +   179d ago
Georgeenoob that was the dumbest comment I have read on this site so far ..Saying the ps4 is not next gen and the Xbox one is! Open your eyes pal
TheTowelBoy  +   179d ago
I remember back when PS was having a hard time, I'm not gonna kick em while they're down. Too many people claim victory in this phantom, meaningless war. When we can't all be happy about our own purchases and leave others to their's we should know that something went wrong.

Maybe it was the beginning, when neither side had much to offer and we looked to the other side.. not in jealousy, but malice, perhaps. We let our minds wander to the ever growing possibility that, in fact, our own consoles weren't perfect. And in that wretched realization we saw the truth. But denial crept in, much like the wind in a winter storm. Then we started to rip each other apart as if we were dogs, the denial was cold, we longed for a perfect embrace but found everything around us wanting. Could it have been stopped? Perhaps, but no man lives that could remember. And no man now exists who could bring them back.

Remember my children the war took many of us, we lost so many good men to that war. They didn't realize at the time but it was indeed a civil war. The civil war of gaming, where brother laid next to each other, not in graves or tombs, but on the battlefield killing one another. In this moment I want you to hear me when I say we face an opponent the likes of which we may, and many more after us, never understand or defeat.

The Oculus Rift is controlled by Facebook my children. And we must learn from the past if we are to survive. Winter is coming, and may God have mercy.
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bloodybutcher  +   179d ago
Gods:-)
TheTowelBoy  +   179d ago
Paha I see you read the whole thing :P
Sidology  +   179d ago
It's not surprising to see the sales lag. There's so little software to merit the sale of the thing. Even their flagship title is available on other platforms.
Bitsnark  +   179d ago
Yeah, they need some real killer third-party exclusives as a first step I believe.
PrinceOfAllSaiyans  +   179d ago
They gotta sell those 900k consoles that's just sitting on shelves, that's why the are slowing down production.
DJustinUNCHAIND  +   179d ago
What's next for Microsoft? Another multi-billion dollar quarter in revenue.
BIB  +   179d ago
"Another multi-billion dollar quarter in revenue."

From Windows OS licenses and Android royalties. Fixed
chrismichaels04  +   179d ago
Unfortunately for Xbox fans....those multi billion dollar profits come from Microsofts non-gaming divisions.
xtremexx  +   179d ago
xbox 720?
Peternorth  +   179d ago
Lol n4g and gaf should just merge into one site that would be ideal. I think ms is just fine same with sony and nintendo. Oh by the way been though 3 xbox 360s only paid for the first one and 2 ps3 only paid for the first one. Funny thing is never had to exchange a nintendo product guess they don't get as much use not hating just saying. But mk8 should change that ha ha damn touch screen phone ng4 lol happy gaming cheers
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cyclindk  +   179d ago
Can only fit so many on store shelves
A01234567  +   179d ago
They could just start burying them like the Atari E.T. games:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/th...

That would still count as shipped right?
BG11579  +   179d ago
I think Major Nelson followed this event personally.
He was probably taking some notes.
ger2396  +   179d ago
When a company slows down production, its because they've over produced. Or the demand for their product has declined. Either way Microsoft needs more than e3 to change its fortune around.
Geoff900  +   179d ago
Or they have another SKU in the works...
hkgamer  +   179d ago
Their E3 show has to be great and has to outshine Sony's otherwise that gap isn't closing anytime soon.

Maybe actually show what the cloud system can do in a game by actually showing it used in a game. Show an open world game with 100+ people and loads of cars. Not sure if it is capable of doing that but if it can then show it.

Show Halo and Gears. I don't care for those games but millions do, if they can't save your console then its time to accept the truth that it will never sell as many consoles.
Jumper09  +   179d ago
The gap will never close. Not Hardware wise and not sells wise.
Geoff900  +   179d ago
You can see the future now?

People thought the PS3 wouldn't catch up to Xbox 360 sales, it did and both systems had a pretty decent stable market share/sales.

Sony has had a bigger advantage, they have been in the industry for nearly 20 years.

Whereas MS has had to come in a market whereby Sony and Nintendo pretty much had the market locked, the first Xbox didn't sell that well at only 25 million consoles sold, whereas the 360 sold around 80+ million consoles. Despite the RROD they have done really well.

Sony had a up hill struggle with the PS3, much like the Xbox One now, will it mean that Xbox One won't catch up? The answer is all down to what MS does between now in say 3-5 years time, if they bring a lot of AAA exclusives then perhaps they have a chance.

It's pretty crazy that people want one console to fail, another to have a monopoly Sony has gotten it's act together because of MS, and vice versa. Oh and at the end of the day, it's NOT about market share it's about how much money you gain.
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B1uBurneR  +   179d ago
Too many none xbox one owners down playing the XBO without experiencing it. MS needs to lower the price to 475 or 450. I will own a Ps4 in the future probably after a last gen is remastered TLOU. Other than that I see no reason to own it. I already have a powerful brick that sits and collect dust it's call the XBO power supply and there is nothing next gen about it like the Ps4 when compared to the XBO.

By the way I was in line on day one for the Ps4 and sold it on day 2
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ger2396  +   179d ago
Same thing can be said about non ps4 owners. At this point,Nothing about the Xbox one screams must have. Most people will probably wait for an official price drop.
Geoff900  +   179d ago
I have both systems, and frankly speaking neither system screams 'buy me', 'buy me'.

Later this year that will change with Destiny, Watch Dogs, Wolfenstein, etc.
lemoncake  +   179d ago
Microsoft and the xbox is doing well, they just need to keep doing what they have been doing recently. This is a marathon not a sprint, theres still 7+ years to go for this new gen.
BIB  +   179d ago
"Microsoft and the xbox is (*are) doing well" The PS4 is doing better though. "This is a marathon not a sprint"...Oh boy, throwing around that quote again.

https://therecoveringcathol...
MichaelLito79  +   179d ago
Well said. The only problem is that a group of loyalists don't want to believe it.
MasterD919  +   179d ago
MS just released the Xbox One...it isn't doomed yet because it hasn't had a chance to actually prove itself yet. Most of the games that were promised are still months away, so until then we'll be seeing the Sony over-dramatic fanboy articles and comments.

Commence the b.s.
MichaelLito79  +   179d ago
Bubble up for you. Well said
Milesprowers  +   179d ago
Microsoft should have sold a modular Windows gaming PC with Steam slapped on it with Xbox Branding..
Ittoryu  +   179d ago
They did its called the xbone.
bligmerk  +   179d ago
Probably a spin-off later this year. If its doing so well, it can do well on its own as a separate company, no need for Microsoft core software products to subsidize anymore. The new CEO is starting to steer the ship in his direction. He has already stated that Windows 8 will not be supported in a few months (meaning mandatory upgrade to 8.1), just as MS confirms the core OS of the XBO is Windows 8 kernel. For him, the core business has much more priority than the entertainment devices section. After E3 results, then changes will start happening very rapidly. You can't have 800,000 consoles sitting on shelves and not do something -- quick.
chaosx  +   179d ago
So much hate for a black box…….. to the point you attack and hate other humans that use another black box….. in an industry that is based on the idea of providing fun and entertainment. So over this imaginary war.
joeorc  +   179d ago
And last cycle Sony was going through the very same thing, so where was this level headed outcry than?

Im starting to see a theme here ..lmao
Predaking77  +   179d ago
After reading that article I see that X1 position is worst than I though.

Even if the X1 has a good E3 we should also remember that the PS4 will also have a good E3 that will probably repels any momentum that the x1 could have.

IMO, the only chance Microsoft have is if Sony goes out of business.
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shadowT  +   179d ago
Not sure if they are slowing Xbox One production down or a massive price cut
Ittoryu  +   179d ago
Theh publicly stated they are slowing production.
KNWS  +   179d ago
Why are we always getting those troll news pieces from unnamed sites posted to the x box section?

We know Sony fans are doing it just to downplay the x box 1
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kenshiro100  +   179d ago
Oh give me a freaking break. Oh lawd, dem Sony fanboys at it again! Conspiracy theory time!

You're mad because the article brought up valid points.
supercpu  +   179d ago
oh my when will this stop , makes perfect sense for them to do this , later on in the year beef it back up .

for the people saying they should go back to the rrod so people buy more are sick in the head ..... i know 100's of people who are on there 3 or 4 ps3 and have had problems on ps4 .... but we hear nothing of this on N4G hmmmm makes you think !!!! so so so sad .

who is making money MS or sony at the moment? :)

ROLL ON E3 !!!!! ;)
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shadowT  +   179d ago
The pb with Xbox One: medium specs + higher price point. DirectX 12 and cloud support will not close this performance gap. X1 needs a massive price cut. I am pretty sure that they will unbundle its Kinect and TV offering at E3.
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frankdrebin72  +   179d ago
And of course you have had interaction with dx12?
You are in the circle of microsofts tech guys that are pushing forward with the cloud tech?
My my my,..seems an awfully ignorrant statement to make considering you have had no access, nor have been involved in the above at any given moment in time,the development of such said technologies.
Still,..look on the bright side...your not alone.
supercpu  +   178d ago
shadow wake up!!!! WHAT a sad reply oh my tut!! tut!!
Max-Zorin  +   179d ago
These fanboys don't quit. Hopefully E3 have extra security. PlayStation and Xbox fanboys might start shooting.
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