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Submitted by Blues Cowboy 124d ago | opinion piece

DICE claims to have fixed Battlefield 4 - but an apology might be nice

Dealspwn writes: "EA and DICE have repeatedly come under fire for their communication over the last few months, notably due to the matter-of-fact marketing spiel that makes each new fix (and subsequent new problems generated by each patch) sound like a favour to a few isolated people undertaken out of the goodness of their hearts to appease a tiny moaning minority. Rather than a penitent attempt to fix a game that was, for all intents and purposes, broken and not fit for task despite a premium price tag. "While the process took longer than we would’ve liked, we wanted to be 100% sure it was done right and that the long-term solution was properly in place."

"Our objective is to deliver the best player experience possible. We feel this solution helps us deliver that to you."

"Sorry everyone," would have done it." (Battlefield 4, PC, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

XiNarutoUzumaki  +   124d ago
A rushed game is bad forever!!!
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Blues Cowboy  +   124d ago
Gosh, I hope not! I daresay plenty of Premium subscribers are waiting on BF to make good on its promises too (though I never buy season passes until all the content is out).

HOWEVER, I totally agree with the sentiment and clicked the wrong button like an idiot. Sorry! :3
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static5245  +   123d ago
Yeah I've been playing BF4 since launch and it is 100 times better now.

It would be nice for at least a "our bad guys, our bad"
AgentSmithPS4  +   123d ago
Anyone else angry about joining the map you want to play only to have it switch soon or already be switching when you don't want to play the next map?
hulk_bash1987  +   124d ago
Disagree, a rushed game can be fixed. What can't be fixed is the damage they did to their reputation.
venom06  +   123d ago
no need for apology... just fix the game and from what hearing from Jackfrags and others, its working great now..
randomass171  +   123d ago
Isn't that telling of how poorly publishers are handling games and treating consumers now? Heaven forbid they release a stellar and smoothly running game for $60 AT LAUNCH.
jaosobno  +   123d ago
The game is not fixed. Today I tried a few rounds of TDM and I experienced rubberbanding so bad that I couldn't move from a single spot for 30 seconds.

I used to get that only on Conquest but it seems that other modes got "infected" as well.

This game will never be 100% fixed. Before buying BF5 I'll make sure I read every major review and forum discussion out there. If there is even a hint of technical issues, no way I'm getting the game.
onyoursistersback  +   123d ago
Will this crap fix my reseted career?!?!?

I want to unlock the P90, but I don't want replay it any more then I have......
3-4-5  +   123d ago
BF4 is a solid game. It's ALWAYS been fun online. I just don't play it as much anymore currently because I'm kind of burnt out on FPS games.
n4rc  +   123d ago
I never had any issues with it.. Just moved on to other games.. I'm on board for bf5

Tho I've been meaning to fire it up again and check out the naval dlc
Matt666  +   123d ago
well it doesn't help when you get a lot of people going I hope it released soon or I not going to buy it, then that puts more pressure on the developers to try and release a game within that particular window of opportunity.
AgentSmithPS4  +   123d ago
The apology we deserve most would be to get premium for free or extremely discounted for the hell we've been through. Refund the money to all the people that bought premium too.
Farsendor1  +   122d ago
bf4 is still mostly unplayable, not sure what ea and dice were thinking when releasing this game early.
Majin-vegeta  +   124d ago
Man gotta love these new servers.Hit detection is spot on.
Blues Cowboy  +   124d ago
Fingers crossed. BF4 is such a great game, it's just annoying that the infrastructure wasn't ready for prime time.
csreynolds  +   124d ago
An apology? Ha, you'll be lucky. They're probably muttering "I don't see what was wrong with it in the first place" under their breath...

As for the game being "fixed", it's too soon to tell. Let's see how the next few weeks pan out, because even now I'm still losing sound in-game, witnessing dodgy texture loading and experiencing crashes on PS4.
Majin-vegeta  +   124d ago
Agree with everything except Crashes havent had that since December.
randomass171  +   123d ago
The game still has a number of issues that any other AAA game would have suffered massively on Metacritic for. I don't see why Battlefield got a free pass with gamers. EA basically forced everyone to pay $60 that would only function the way it was supposed to almost half a year after its launch.
Kleptic  +   123d ago
I promise; they got very far from a 'free pass'...

player counts have shrunk over 50% from where we were with BF3 at its 6 month in point...sales have nearly completely stalled (a very likely reason for the recent 50% off on Origin)...

lack of trust and dislike of EA is approaching critical mass as well...its just a simple truth that most of us no longer have time for BS like this...

These 'hardware upgrades' were ONLY for the PS4 and Xbox One...the other 3 platforms, including PC (which utilizes GSP's, not EA owned servers)...got none of it, and is bad as ever...

the damage will come...BF4 failed to out-grow BF3, something a publisher will never celebrate about...even though this time around the genre was wide open in terms of considerable competition (Ghosts was the weakest CoD since CoD 3)...There are plenty of us that will not touch the next BF until far after its release, and only if its NOTHING like BF4 as far as post-release support...
user8206190  +   123d ago
I literally just crashed out of a game, on ps4. its not fixed
AgentSmithPS4  +   123d ago
I'm on PS4 and I don't even remember having crashes. I've had some extreme slideshow moments with levolution, EA disconnecting me, rubber banding from hell, but not that. I didn't notice any major problems when I played yesterday but I played later EST.
LukeTVNow  +   124d ago
It would indeed be nice, but an apology is seen as an admission of wrongdoing, and so many companies today are completely unwilling to do that. They'd rather patch a leaky boat than admit they sent it out before it was seaworthy.
Blues Cowboy  +   124d ago
Well I suppose there are those class action lawsuits to consider, but being forthright and honest (if not just... friendly?) is something EA ought to be considering right now. It'd be a nice gesture and I reckon it'd create some good feeling.
LukeTVNow  +   123d ago
I agree wholeheartedly, but for right or wrong, the PR machine just don't work that way, and I'm sure someone in the massive conglomerate that is EA's legal department is telling them at every step of the way NOT to apologize.
In the end, I feel bad for DICE for having to rush a project that, from what I've gathered, was a project that staffers explained EA that just wasn't ready yet. EA rushed production to beat rival Activision in CoD.
Hellsvacancy  +   124d ago
I played today (no new update) and it played AWESOME, had a round on Golmud Rail 25-0 no revives (sniping) headshots galore

It was one of the best rounds i've ever had on BF4, the rounds after were good aswel,

I shoot - they die, that's how it should be

I still won't ever buy a BF at launch, I bought BF4 3 months after it released and it was still fu...... broken

An apology should be FREE dlc, like they did for BF3, if EA did that I would wipe the slate clean (until BF5)
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Blues Cowboy  +   124d ago
Awesome, that's really good to know. Friday night sorted then! #needtogetoutmore
Stapleface  +   124d ago
Snipers don't deserve apologies. PTFO or GTFO.. lol
asmith2306  +   124d ago
Played a game of Rush yesterday and half my team were sitting back being useless with their sniper rifles. I don't understand why they bother to play rush at all.
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Hellsvacancy  +   123d ago
I was playing Team Deathmatch buddy, I rarely play rush/conquest on BF4 because it is (was) broken

Now it seems to be working I will get on Rush/Conquest tonight

I also rarely snipe aswel, but Golmud Rail is such a good level for it
Majin-vegeta  +   124d ago
The update was server side.So we wouldn't update it on our end.They just take the servers offline for awhile to apply it :3.
Hellsvacancy  +   123d ago
Ahhh, nice, thanks for the info
T2  +   123d ago
well actually snipers can be useful, that's why they added the different weapons in i think... for instance you can take sniper with shotgun, tugs, spawn b, and run all over the place in conquest... or if you want to be true to sniper you can go
m405 w/pullbolt, c4, spawn becon and use a secondary like 12g shorty, and still be good at conquest in bigger maps...
the dudes who sit up in towers though ya, just teamkill them, worse than useless... funny thing on battlefield too, they are always like 5-7 or 10-8 with like 2000 pts..... I don't even see the point as they aren't even good or helpful.... and you can just as easily sit in a bush defending a base and snipe them out of a tower as they can snipe you... obvious simpletons....
Stapleface  +   124d ago
*until the next DLC comes out. Battlefield 4 has been a mixed experience for me. It was terrible on ps4, getting kicked from games pretty much every other match, disconnecting from EA servers before even entering a match, bad hit detection, etc. But since I started playing on pc about 2 months ago it's been fine, until Naval Strike came out. That brought some rubber banding, but only to those maps. Hit detection has been an issue on both. Haven't played since they got the new servers up, so I'll have to give it another go today. But over all it's been a great game since I switched to pc.
Kleptic  +   123d ago
Dice confirmed on Reddit that PC has no hardware upgrades at all...multiplayer on PC is handled through contract with game service providers...and EA/Dice will not force those 3rd party businesses to upgrade...

so, in short, the PC version literally has 'no hardware' that EA owns to upgrade in the first place...

so it'll continue to be hit and miss...you'll occasionally find a clean server running well...then the next round will go straight to hell...as always; you'll fight the software a lot more than any actual enemies...i've pretty much given up hope for the game ever being what i would consider acceptable on PC...
Stapleface  +   123d ago
That is spot on in what I just experienced. Certainly no upgraded hardware, but it's still better than it ever was on console, for me that is. I know some people have been fine on console, that wasn't the case for me, however. The hit and miss game quality is why I barely ever play the game. Just waiting for a better FPS so I get clear my hard drive of this. Any suggestions? Certainly not COD. I've though about giving Planetside 2 a go, but hear many issues exist there as well. Might try ARMA 3 next time it goes on sale.
DanielGearSolid  +   124d ago
Really? An apology?

I'll take a working game...
f*** everything else...
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randomass171  +   123d ago
If every game was released in an initially broken and buggy state, I doubt you would be saying that.
DanielGearSolid  +   123d ago
Saying wat?

Wat good is an apology?

Actions speak louder than words, fixing the broken game is all I would care about in any situation like this
Trunkz Jr  +   124d ago
Does this include PC? and does that mean they fixed the "You killed Player A, Player A killed you with 0 health" ???

That's my biggest beef, is killing someone only to have yourself die AFTER they are dropping and seeing they had 0 health, this should NOT happen and should of been fixed in their first big patch, not half a year later.
asmith2306  +   124d ago
Can anyone comment how large conquest maps (on PS4 anyways) are running? They are the problem for me.
Fixay  +   123d ago
Conquest has worked well for me for the past month. Do suffer from rubber banding tho, hope thats sorted out tonight
cyclindk  +   124d ago
So what was the issue? Server stuff mostly? Did EA try to "cheap" out of something?
Dlacy13g  +   124d ago
Hey guys its all fixed....now give us $50 more dollars for the premium! Honest...no more issues. $50 more please and you will see its totally fine...no really. We mean it this time.
randomass171  +   123d ago
Quality treatment of consumers. /s
magicwood  +   124d ago
No they haven't. BS! I'm still getting the eff'n spawn glitch. *sigh
cyclindk  +   123d ago
What's the spawn glitch?
xDHAV0K24x  +   124d ago
They may be TOO far behind to fix it at this point. We all know the machine that is COD and Titanfall is still pretty new. IDK about KillZone so I won't comment on that but I'm sure their pop is still good as well and Destiny is on it's way!! Feel bad for those that love this game. I know quite a few that are fed up smh
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user8206190  +   123d ago
I have decided that a big problem is the lack of player skill around me now.

90 percent of people that play are simply garbage, every game i join at least 6 or 7 players on my team are useless and need to be put down euthanasia style.

enemy team, on the other hand, are stacked with 5 or 6 115 or above just shredding the opposing team. the game finds that shit fine. and its impossible to avoid unless you, yourself have a posse to play with.

and for that i say fuck you dice, make a gametype for lone wolf players. COD at least got that shit right
Mr Tretton  +   123d ago
How about dropping the price? I've been waiting on the sidelines for this one as I don't trust to buy any MP game for full price at launch anymore. And BF4 has been the perfect example why.

Apologize to the people that bought it, and drop the price for the people who want it.
blahblah123  +   123d ago
it's not fixed. A lot of the day 1 issues are still in there. Frequent audio drops and the stuttering have never gone away. Six months on the game is busted. I'll never fork over another dime for a Battlefield. EA/DICE won't get the message if you keep paying $60 for their beta tests.
Umbasa  +   123d ago
I don't know about anyone else but the past couple of days i have noticed conquest large w/ no lag. I use to always get snags bad on that but have been playing smooth matches as of this past week. It just feels nice to be able to jump in and not have to worry about that shit....even though i still do. If it keeps up then great but it will take some time for me to rejoice.
XboxFun  +   123d ago
No apology needed. No one cared about the glitches, bugs and terrible gameplay...all that mattered was if the game was 1080p and 60fps.
DxTrixterz  +   123d ago
Fixed... after 6 months. With AAA title like this you would expect it not being broken from day 1. When was game bug testing being done? During those 6 months from game's release?
Father Murder X  +   123d ago
After 6 months. Its kind of odd that the premium content comes out on time but they can't fix the issues with the game. DID anyone beta test the game internally? I understand trying to make the street date but for a game to have problems 6 months after release is horrible. We haven't been compensated yet.
DxTrixterz  +   123d ago
I would like Premium for my recompensation for both PC and PS4 (yup I got this bug fest twice) please EA. Maybe then I would forgive them for the state they released this game in.
Ch1d0r1  +   123d ago
Looks like BF4 beta testing is over ladies!
DarthJay  +   123d ago
I'm as big a Battlefield guy as they come. I own it with Premium on X1, PS4 and PC and did the same on BF3 and BFBC2. I've played pretty much every Battlefield title. It's been so hard to be a fan of Battlefield 4. Every time I came back there was something new wrong. The lag was it for me. If it is truly fixed, I can't wait to finally experience the game working right...
iistuii  +   123d ago
I've got it on PC & PS4. PC seems a lot better but the PS4 is still all floaty & is still piss poor on anything over 32 players. Why they don't unlock the Cq32 player servers I don't know. At least we would then have a choice.
DarthJay  +   123d ago
Couldn't agree more. I actually wouldn't mind going back to some 16v16 servers on Conquest for a change...
T2  +   123d ago
totally agree but I am somewhat dissapointed in you guys that bought premium during this mess, but I do get it you probably expected like all of us that it would get fixed....
I'm waiting on premium until it's on sale or something, there has to be some punishment for this debacle... I literally bought a ps4 with one game, BF4 and I haven't been able to play it basically at all.
the rubberbanding is the kicker, unplayable. fingers crossed for some real action soon.
Buying BF5 used, that's the punishment.
iistuii  +   123d ago
I actually tried to get a refund on Playstation. Both EA & Sony refused. But it's fine for me on PC. But my friends are all on PS4 & we'd really like to play it together. It's not rubber banding, it's like floaty,laggy. It's so annoying as on Domination, Obliteration etc it's perfect it's just the 64 player matches. As I said, there is 32player Conquest normal on the server list but there isn't any up & running, never has been, why ? Who knows.
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Sieg  +   123d ago
How much for the Apology DLC??
Blues Cowboy  +   122d ago
Oh snap. Bubs.
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OnlyOneMDB  +   123d ago
Alot of the issues are fixed but the game still has alot of lag issues, i know it's not my internet cause my internet is fast as hell
danncampello  +   120d ago
They shouldve taken they time to fix those things before selling... But now that its done, just apologize and do your best

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