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Submitted by gokuking 152d ago | news

Sony removes the ability to download previously unsupported PSP/PSone games on Vita

After Monday's PSN update, users were able to download PSone, and PSP games that previously weren't compatible with Vita. It looks like Sony has put a stop to that. (PS Vita, PSP, Sony)

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GeofferyPeterson  +   152d ago
Why the hell would they do that!? Just made a burger with their huge Cash Cow. Stupid move
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sinncross  +   152d ago
Perhaps its possible that there is a licensing issue.

it might be similar to the remote play situation on PS3. You could technically remote play a bunch of PS3 games to the PSV but you were not allowed to do that via official channels because the software was not licensed to be streamed to a 2ndary device.

That is what I assume. But I do hope that Sony re-reverses this decision and allows everyone to download these games and for them to be played on their PSV's.
Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   152d ago
This is exactly why actually. They can suffer legally quite a bit if they left it.
Kingthrash360  +   152d ago
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
i know why but...
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUU!!
my vita just returned its new set of panties...
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nypifisel  +   152d ago
Of course that is the case, not being very well versed in how all that works though it kinda surprises me how all these games always have been available in Europe but not NA.
Eonjay  +   151d ago
re-reverses

This shall be the word of the day.
ThanatosDMC  +   151d ago
Sony and their 180s... smh.
Gamer1982  +   151d ago
Well they probably did it because it was a mistake in the first place and they didn't mean to do it. As for licensing if you already own the game there is no licensing issues. They didn't re-sell old games here they re-released older games for download that people had bought in the past and ones that are still available today (with still valid licenses) on PS3. They will no doubt put them back in my mind after an announcement in the future but for now they have removed them until said announcement is made.
fr0sty  +   151d ago
It could be legal issues, or the fact that the emulator wasn't running properly yet. I heard a lot of reports of framerate stutters and such.
UltimateMaster  +   151d ago
Just Download it on your PS3 and copy it to your Vita. It's that simple.
jmguy100  +   152d ago
I'm guessing because of hackers being able to exploit more games...otherwise yes, a stupid move.
Goro  +   152d ago
I doubt Sony give a sh*t about PS1/PSP games being exploited. They were exploited years ago when they released.
kayoss  +   151d ago
xYakuzaz
Its not the PS1/PSP they are worried about. Its using exploit within the PS1 or PSP games to hack the PS Vita system. This was how the PS Vita was hacked to play PSone all Psone games.
Tony-A  +   151d ago
I'm sure it was just down to licensing issues, which really really sucks and makes it look like a stupid move on our side. And if there's really no issue involved, then that really would be a stupid move because a lot of people would be using this feature.

I just really hope that they announce why they had to go back on it and apologize because a lot of people were excited about this and to take it out without explanation would come off as somewhat rude.

I just wanna play Crash on my Vita :/
dmitrijs88  +   152d ago
it just have been some kind of system mistake from the start, we should have known that.
cgoodno  +   151d ago
@Geoffery: It likely has more to do with licensing limitations than anything. They have to pay new licensing fees to allow games onto a new platform.
randomass171  +   151d ago
Such a shame. :( I hope they reverse this choice as soon as possible.
Joey_Leone  +   151d ago
It was too good to be true. For now.
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Massacred  +   151d ago
Best guess is it's probably a licensing issue. It seems silly but some publishers just don't want to even bother with the Vita.
SpiralTear  +   152d ago
Curious what caused it in the first place, but still, that's a bummer they removed that ability.
Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   152d ago
The update caused a glitch where games 'blocked' from going on vita were unblocked. I.e. seperate lines of code saying 'this can('t)happen' defaulted to 'this can happen'

Easiest way I can explain it. Hopefully it makes sense. Anyone whose dabbled in HTML should understand it. It's like an IF statement.
SpiralTear  +   152d ago
Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. Appreciate the info.

Still a bummer, though. I guess some folks got to reap the benefits before the fix.
DJ  +   151d ago
Ohh, makes sense now. Thanks Kenshin
randomass171  +   151d ago
Yeah, they're the lucky ones lol. I was up and ready to buy a Vita because of this, but sadly I simply don't have the money for it yet.
Alsybub  +   151d ago
Me too.
Soldierone  +   152d ago
Sucks that we live in a world where everyone goes "give me money!" instead of "sure go ahead, this could benefit the world."
mdluffy  +   152d ago
Sony would suffer legal issues, not worth it for them.
Soldierone  +   152d ago
I wasn't blaming Sony, its the publishers that are doing it.
Death  +   151d ago
What legal issues would Sony suffer allowing Sony published games from the PSP to be played on the Vita? How is it backwards compatability was never a legal issue until this happened?
randomass171  +   151d ago
@Death

There is a separate license for each playable version of those games. There is a license for the PS3 version, another one for the PSP version and yet another for the Vita version. For the third party developers and publishers involved, if even one of those licenses is sold without their say so, Sony could face a copyright violation lawsuit.
christian hour  +   151d ago
There's also specific regional licensing laws as well, even though the game has been reviewed by the EU/US/etc department in charge of such things for classification, it would have to undergo a similar process for a new platform despite being the same game, and they also charge fee's.

It's the same reason UK/US Netflix don't have the same content, even though you can bypass that with a proxy server or changing your DNS settings, they're still obligated to block off any proxys or DNS settings they find people using to access restricted content. Otherwise they'd face a whole bunch of legal issues.
AndrewLB  +   152d ago
Giving away for free what cost you time and money to create doesn't pay the rent or put food on your table. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty and advanced technology than any other system in the history of mankind.

btw... please don't confuse Capitalism with Corporatism. Corporatism is what we get when Socialists f**k everything up by injecting big government into the free market, picking winners and losers. Instead of stopping this trend that had been increasing over the past two decades, the Obama administration took the wheel, floored it, and will soon drive us all off a cliff.
Soldierone  +   152d ago
Thats fine and all, but we are talking about games that were made over two generations ago that already made their fair share of money. Then we are not getting them for free either, we are buying them again.

Then to top it off, its Sony porting them over, not the developers. So there really is no argument here. It's developers wanting money for licenses in all kinds of regions for no real reason at all, or them simply not allowing it.

If it was to cover costs, by all means do it. This isn't the issue though, and I see no reason not to let these games hit Vita beyond wanting to cash a big check that Sony doesn't need to give them.
dantesparda  +   152d ago
@AndrewLB

Wow! Nobody wants to hear your nutty political views
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Am_Ryder  +   152d ago
Haha, buddy. You really have your terms backwards. And your understandings of these things backwards, clearly, because of it. You have to get the language right to discuss this s**t properly.

Corporatism: an offshoot of unregulated capitalism. When capitalism, a fundamentally right-wing, Liberal (read: not socialist) structure is left to it's own devices, THAT is where Corporatism comes into effect. So when every man can build his own wealth, and no upper limit imposed by law or regulation, then you eventually get corporatism. (Which is a small c by the way.)

Corporatism is a damaging, nightmarish SIDE EFFECT OF CAPITALISM. It's not a different thing. It's not Capitalism's fault- it's just what happens when you don't regulate Capitalism. The USA's core tenet is unregulated capitalism (land of opportunity, etc.) and because of this ideology, it is the place where corporatism began. The USA invented and innovated it- because wealth and business expanded so exponentially and quickly that corporations came into existence very rapidly, where there had never been private sector corporations before.

Socialism: the OPPOSITE of the free market and capitalism. It's the OPPOSITE of corporatism. Socialism decrees that centralised, government funds should be held by GOVERNMENT ONLY, to help the needy and poor and create more equality.

Socialism does NOT condone free market. And it does not create government any bigger than government would be anyway. Socialism just leads to more taxation and more welfare state (which, in places like Norway and Sweden, is hugely successful.) Socialism lets capitalism gets on with things generally, but features high taxation and as such puts off corporatism, because big businesses will be taxed more. They tend to go to tax havens instead.

TL;DR:

Capitalism CREATED corporatism
Corporatism is UNREGULATED Capitalism
Socialism is nothing to do with either, and the USA (incl. Obama administration) is TOTALLY UNSOCIALIST.
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elninels  +   152d ago
Dont confuse Barack Obama with "liberals" who are about as conservatives were 55 years ago. Hes actually less liberal than even they are. Barack has done what every other president has done, line his pockets and follow his donors. If you wanted someone who cares you should've voted Rocky Anderson, or Ralph Nader when we had the chance.

Do you remember Ronald Reagan net increasing taxes, net increasing spending? Do you remember him closing down tens of thousands of mental institutions in California, accounting for at least half of the homeless problem they have now?
What about George H.W. Bush having Kennedy killed?
What about George H.W. Bush's father running a Nazi funded bank in the United States?
What about Richard Nixon expanding a war and bringing about the rise of the Khmer rhouge causing the death of over 2 million people. What about georgie bush and the PATRIOT Act?

Don't inject politics into video games, especially when your preference seeks to regulate said insustry.

On related news, im bummed about this, besides ffx my vita is growing lonely. Give me FFXII for vita please.

Edit: syntax&grammar
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TheDevKit  +   151d ago
Yeah, you're deluded if you think it's that simple; much of our infrastructure utilizes socialistic tendencies.

We'd be damned without public schools, police departments, fire departments, public libraries, museums, postal service, prisons, sewer systems, the EPA, NPR, vaccines and of course, roads.

Do you think the private sector would do a better job of governing our country?

Do you think corporations would enact laws to help protect and serve you and your family?

Our entire civilization depends on us being a people united.

Socialism is a glue that binds us together and makes possible the things that we could not accomplish as individuals working against each other.
Seraphim  +   151d ago
We'd be damned without public schools, police departments, fire departments, public libraries, museums, postal service, prisons, sewer systems, the EPA, NPR, vaccines and of course, roads.

We could do w/o Public Schools and probably end up with a better education. Police we could less of. Fire use Volunteers. Public Libraries. Who needs them. Postal service, this day in age, we could live. Prisons, useless. Just kill the killers, pedophiles, rapists, etc. The prison system is a huge waste of tax payer dollars locking up petty criminals and leaving wastes of life in lock up their entire life w/ free food and health care. NPR, we can definitely live w/o. EPA and Roads. 2 things we do need. Vaccines questionably need though more so for children than adults. The Roman Empire did quite fine maintaining and building roads. Our Government already has too many roads, too many welfare programs, useless agencies and wasted $ to maintain what we have. Cut back on these programs and wasted money pits.
GeofferyPeterson  +   152d ago
I still have the ability to buy the games on my Vita. What are the some of the best games I should buy now, before they stop me? Does FF7 work well on Vita?
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kingdom18  +   152d ago
Yes, now only a few ones that were already there still work. I can name Chrono Cross, FF7, FF8.
Jonny5isalive  +   152d ago
they should allow some of the better ones that work. Im not sure about now but when I got my vita I had to use my ps3 to put silent hill on it. It worked great, but I remember it wasnt on the vita store. I dont have my ps3 anymore so I couldnt get those games if I wanted I guess.
ArbitorChief  +   152d ago
SMH
riceking  +   152d ago
pretty ridiculous....
MajorGecko  +   152d ago
haha thats why yoshida did the no speak english defence when asked on twitter why all the games came out lol
waltyftm  +   152d ago
That is a real shame for Vita owners.
JaredH  +   152d ago
I guess I got lucky and was able to downloaded all the Crash and Spyro games I got in the flash sale on my vita before they removed them.
waltyftm  +   152d ago
That's like winning the Lottery in my eyes.
Newmanator  +   152d ago
I got my Crash Team Racing so I'm happy. Wished I downloaded the others though bit at least I got one!
randomass171  +   151d ago
You lucked out man! I've yet to get a Vita, so my hope is that when I finally do they will lift this restriction again and I can get them all on the go as well. :)
ninjahunter  +   152d ago
Jokes on them, I already downloaded everything Mwahahaha.
3xkrazy  +   152d ago
What's next? Add Video streaming abilities and remove video and music playback...? Oh wait...
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   152d ago
Would this be considered a 180?
aragon  +   152d ago
Not if it was a glitch in the update and no one came forward and said that's what they were doing, so it's not 180, but yoshida trolled ps nation when he said he's fine with it. I know he wasn't because I know he knows the laws of selling games and legal aspect, so what people should be complaining about is one: yoshida saying he's fine with it and 2: an update glitching out the ps store although that glitch was a good glitch
tanookisuit  +   152d ago
Plus, there was never an official statement made by a Sony rep that this was going to be offered indefinitely. Looks like the guy above was trying too hard to make the situation look bad.
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Williamson  +   152d ago
Luckily I downloaded all the crash and spyro games on to my vita when I had the chance so I can still play them. If I were to transfer the games to my pc and then back later on would they still work?
riceking  +   152d ago
dont know but i'm going to try it my self.
GrandpaSnake  +   152d ago
so lucky i really wanted spyro 2 and i held back
kingdom18  +   152d ago
Did they make any sort of comment on this?
ErryK  +   152d ago
Can't you just download them onto your PS3 then transfer to the Vita?
tigertron  +   152d ago
I still don't get this, I've been able to play all my PS1 classics on my Vita since I bought one last summer. It's one of the reasons why I love my Vita. I was simply able to go to the download list and download them.

I use the UK/EU store so maybe that has something to do with it?
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ruefrak  +   152d ago
Yep, a lot of the games like Crash Bandicoot are available in Europe but not in North America
Farsendor1  +   152d ago
those games being unlocked for vita almost got me to purchase another one. this is rather unfortunate but understandable.
Zjet  +   152d ago
Yeah it's odd,

all the stores are different, i have a US account and a New Zealand one, different content.

for instance..

Syphon Filter Dark Mirror is available for both US and NZ vita stores however Syphon Filter Logans Shadow is available only on US store but not EU. ( Luckily Logans shadow did work yesterday with the "error" ) and i downloaded it, however now yes it is not working.

Why region lock these things out?

In NZ all the PS1 games work on Vita and have so since launch including Spyro Trilogy ( which funnily enough are actually the US versions including cover art etc )

I can download Star Wars Battlefront Renegade Squadron on my US Vita account but not my NZ one? why?

Medal of Honor Heroes 1 & 2 are Vita compatible in US but not in NZ

And then some are just strange, like Monster Hunter Freedom ( the original one ) says its not vita compatible and not on the vita store, however it is one of those random games that by downloading it via the ps3 store and copying it manually to the vita it allows it?

Whats with these inconsistencies?

it dosen't seem like a licensing issue as it differs from region to region and it sounds like no one store gets the complete picture which is sad, most people will want an entire series on their console not patches

Syphon Filter 1 and 3 are available on NZs PSN stores but not 2? why not 2???

Yet again, PSN in US has all 3?

and when i hear US only just got the complete crash trilogy and spyro trilogy its strange
kingPoS  +   151d ago
Logistics are a terrible terrible nightmare between SCEE & SCEA. What's green lighted on one end might be held up over classification on the other. It really is a nightmare.

Gateway MT6706 2008
IceKoldKilla  +   152d ago
Does this mean whoever downloaded them onto their Vita can keep them? It sucks I haven't bought a Vita yet. Waiting for some money. Have tons of PS1 games from PS+.
Protagonist  +   152d ago
Damn! I still had a couple of PSP games I´ve already purchased to download.
Hozi  +   152d ago
Damn, at least we know they can all be playen on your Vita.
Goro  +   152d ago
I don't understand why they can't keep the ability for Crash & Spyro when they're Sony's own games.
e-p-ayeaH  +   152d ago
exacly same goes for syphon filter logans shadow one of my favorite games on PSP.

I DLed it yesterday and today i cant!!! outrage! i better enjoy it while i can.
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DarXyde  +   152d ago
My Vita has been off since this incident.

I wonder if I can still play Metal Gear Solid on it as long as I stay offline.
jegheist2014  +   152d ago
if your were srtupid to buy games unsupported with next fw update dont be suprised if they dont work or play due to it being lgitch then u have bunch of angry mobs calling sony bad guy when really unless your parent teenager dont follow gaming u had it coming along nohows.

i almost jumped on the wagon also something otld me what im just typing now sony will patch game out form being played most likely with fw update
slivery  +   151d ago
I don't know why everyone assumed this was a good idea to download them anyway, it was very clearly a mistake. If Sony had done that themselves, they obviously would have announced it.

The fact they never announced it anywhere not even on their PS blog told me not to bother, that it was just a mistake.

I also wasn't going to chance for some reason they break my Vita simply because they aren't compatible either, even though they do work, you really never know what could happen since this was not official and just a bug.
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SSJBen  +   151d ago
Why people bother to download them?

Because people PAID for it? hello?
slivery  +   151d ago
What the hell does that have to do with them being compatible or not? Let alone never being officially announced they were going to be forever?

I didn't say people shouldn't download something they paid for but when there was no official announcement that Sony was releasing these on the Vita finally, they should have known better to go on a shopping spree just because of a bug or a mistake made by an employee. Sony could very will make them incapable again with a simple update also, so you basically paid for PSone and PSP games that will no longer work on the Vita.

I also said why take that chance when this was never official. The games may very well work through the PS Vita's emulator but at what cost? You don't know why these games are not compatible in the first place.

That was my point, that obviously flew right over your head.

Learn to comprehend what people write better... HELLO!
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kingPoS  +   151d ago
Can you explain to me why something that was paid for shouldn't be used. Would you still be in agreement if PS3 games from years ago suddenly became unplayable. Should a game like 3D Dot Heroes, be rendered a coaster with a FW update if Atlus ever went under?

Is that what you really want, because I don't.

Gateway MT6706 2008
vongruetz  +   151d ago
That's not the same thing. When these PSP games were purchased digitally, they were done so to play on a PSP. That was the promise. And today you can still digitally download all those games to your PSP.
The fact that the Vita can also play some of those PSP games is a nice bonus but it was not what you were purchasing in the first place. If I buy a PS3 game, the promise is that it will play on the PS3, not that it should also be able to play on every PlayStation that is released in the future.

That said, I really wish they would allow it again. I only downloaded a few titles and wished I had gotten more.
SliceOfTruth888  +   151d ago
lol i love the people defending Sony....if this was Microsoft this site would have exploded
slivery  +   151d ago
Defend what? Even the people who took the risk knew very well this was just a bug or a mistake. So the only person anyone could blame is themselves.

The first thing I said to myself when these articles started popping up, is why hasn't Sony announced this? It would be pretty huge as many have been asking for this for a long time.

So I knew better, I didn't spend a dime on anything because there was never any official announcements from Sony about it. So that was a huge red flag that it was clearly just bug in their system or a mistake.
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HumanAfterAll  +   151d ago
What the hell. And I was looking forward to getting all three Spyro games…… Sony really needs to get those games back on. I mean so many people want them so why not get the licensing for them. I mean sony owns Crash and Spyro right?

Ugh what a mess. Maybe one day… =/
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Milesprowers  +   151d ago
I find this incredibly amusing
slivery  +   151d ago
As do I, mainly because it was inevitable this would happen. Some people really have no common sense.

If this was supposed to happen it would have been a pretty big thing, so knowing Sony never bothered to mention it was enough to know it wouldn't last because it was just a mistake.
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