After Monday's PSN update, users were able to download PSone, and PSP games that previously weren't compatible with Vita. It looks like Sony has put a stop to that.
Why the hell would they do that!? Just made a burger with their huge Cash Cow. Stupid move
Perhaps its possible that there is a licensing issue. it might be similar to the remote play situation on PS3. You could technically remote play a bunch of PS3 games to the PSV but you were not allowed to do that via official channels because the software was not licensed to be streamed to a 2ndary device. That is what I assume. But I do hope that Sony re-reverses this decision and allows everyone to download these games and for them to be played on their PSV's.
This is exactly why actually. They can suffer legally quite a bit if they left it.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! i know why but... FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUU!! my vita just returned its new set of panties...
Of course that is the case, not being very well versed in how all that works though it kinda surprises me how all these games always have been available in Europe but not NA.
re-reverses This shall be the word of the day.
Sony and their 180s... smh.
Well they probably did it because it was a mistake in the first place and they didn't mean to do it. As for licensing if you already own the game there is no licensing issues. They didn't re-sell old games here they re-released older games for download that people had bought in the past and ones that are still available today (with still valid licenses) on PS3. They will no doubt put them back in my mind after an announcement in the future but for now they have removed them until said announcement is made.
It could be legal issues, or the fact that the emulator wasn't running properly yet. I heard a lot of reports of framerate stutters and such.
Just Download it on your PS3 and copy it to your Vita. It's that simple.
I'm guessing because of hackers being able to exploit more games...otherwise yes, a stupid move.
I doubt Sony give a sh*t about PS1/PSP games being exploited. They were exploited years ago when they released.
xYakuzaz Its not the PS1/PSP they are worried about. Its using exploit within the PS1 or PSP games to hack the PS Vita system. This was how the PS Vita was hacked to play PSone all Psone games.
I'm sure it was just down to licensing issues, which really really sucks and makes it look like a stupid move on our side. And if there's really no issue involved, then that really would be a stupid move because a lot of people would be using this feature. I just really hope that they announce why they had to go back on it and apologize because a lot of people were excited about this and to take it out without explanation would come off as somewhat rude. I just wanna play Crash on my Vita :/
it just have been some kind of system mistake from the start, we should have known that.
@Geoffery: It likely has more to do with licensing limitations than anything. They have to pay new licensing fees to allow games onto a new platform.
Such a shame. :( I hope they reverse this choice as soon as possible.
It was too good to be true. For now.
Best guess is it's probably a licensing issue. It seems silly but some publishers just don't want to even bother with the Vita.
Curious what caused it in the first place, but still, that's a bummer they removed that ability.
The update caused a glitch where games 'blocked' from going on vita were unblocked. I.e. seperate lines of code saying 'this can('t)happen' defaulted to 'this can happen' Easiest way I can explain it. Hopefully it makes sense. Anyone whose dabbled in HTML should understand it. It's like an IF statement.
Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. Appreciate the info. Still a bummer, though. I guess some folks got to reap the benefits before the fix.
Ohh, makes sense now. Thanks Kenshin
Yeah, they're the lucky ones lol. I was up and ready to buy a Vita because of this, but sadly I simply don't have the money for it yet.
Sucks that we live in a world where everyone goes "give me money!" instead of "sure go ahead, this could benefit the world."
Sony would suffer legal issues, not worth it for them.
I wasn't blaming Sony, its the publishers that are doing it.
What legal issues would Sony suffer allowing Sony published games from the PSP to be played on the Vita? How is it backwards compatability was never a legal issue until this happened?
@Death There is a separate license for each playable version of those games. There is a license for the PS3 version, another one for the PSP version and yet another for the Vita version. For the third party developers and publishers involved, if even one of those licenses is sold without their say so, Sony could face a copyright violation lawsuit.
There's also specific regional licensing laws as well, even though the game has been reviewed by the EU/US/etc department in charge of such things for classification, it would have to undergo a similar process for a new platform despite being the same game, and they also charge fee's. It's the same reason UK/US Netflix don't have the same content, even though you can bypass that with a proxy server or changing your DNS settings, they're still obligated to block off any proxys or DNS settings they find people using to access restricted content. Otherwise they'd face a whole bunch of legal issues.
Giving away for free what cost you time and money to create doesn't pay the rent or put food on your table. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty and advanced technology than any other system in the history of mankind. btw... please don't confuse Capitalism with Corporatism. Corporatism is what we get when Socialists f**k everything up by injecting big government into the free market, picking winners and losers. Instead of stopping this trend that had been increasing over the past two decades, the Obama administration took the wheel, floored it, and will soon drive us all off a cliff.
Thats fine and all, but we are talking about games that were made over two generations ago that already made their fair share of money. Then we are not getting them for free either, we are buying them again. Then to top it off, its Sony porting them over, not the developers. So there really is no argument here. It's developers wanting money for licenses in all kinds of regions for no real reason at all, or them simply not allowing it. If it was to cover costs, by all means do it. This isn't the issue though, and I see no reason not to let these games hit Vita beyond wanting to cash a big check that Sony doesn't need to give them.
@AndrewLB Wow! Nobody wants to hear your nutty political views
Haha, buddy. You really have your terms backwards. And your understandings of these things backwards, clearly, because of it. You have to get the language right to discuss this s**t properly. Corporatism: an offshoot of unregulated capitalism. When capitalism, a fundamentally right-wing, Liberal (read: not socialist) structure is left to it's own devices, THAT is where Corporatism comes into effect. So when every man can build his own wealth, and no upper limit imposed by law or regulation, then you eventually get corporatism. (Which is a small c by the way.) Corporatism is a damaging, nightmarish SIDE EFFECT OF CAPITALISM. It's not a different thing. It's not Capitalism's fault- it's just what happens when you don't regulate Capitalism. The USA's core tenet is unregulated capitalism (land of opportunity, etc.) and because of this ideology, it is the place where corporatism began. The USA invented and innovated it- because wealth and business expanded so exponentially and quickly that corporations came into existence very rapidly, where there had never been private sector corporations before. Socialism: the OPPOSITE of the free market and capitalism. It's the OPPOSITE of corporatism. Socialism decrees that centralised, government funds should be held by GOVERNMENT ONLY, to help the needy and poor and create more equality. Socialism does NOT condone free market. And it does not create government any bigger than government would be anyway. Socialism just leads to more taxation and more welfare state (which, in places like Norway and Sweden, is hugely successful.) Socialism lets capitalism gets on with things generally, but features high taxation and as such puts off corporatism, because big businesses will be taxed more. They tend to go to tax havens instead. TL;DR: Capitalism CREATED corporatism Corporatism is UNREGULATED Capitalism Socialism is nothing to do with either, and the USA (incl. Obama administration) is TOTALLY UNSOCIALIST.
Dont confuse Barack Obama with "liberals" who are about as conservatives were 55 years ago. Hes actually less liberal than even they are. Barack has done what every other president has done, line his pockets and follow his donors. If you wanted someone who cares you should've voted Rocky Anderson, or Ralph Nader when we had the chance. Do you remember Ronald Reagan net increasing taxes, net increasing spending? Do you remember him closing down tens of thousands of mental institutions in California, accounting for at least half of the homeless problem they have now? What about George H.W. Bush having Kennedy killed? What about George H.W. Bush's father running a Nazi funded bank in the United States? What about Richard Nixon expanding a war and bringing about the rise of the Khmer rhouge causing the death of over 2 million people. What about georgie bush and the PATRIOT Act? Don't inject politics into video games, especially when your preference seeks to regulate said insustry. On related news, im bummed about this, besides ffx my vita is growing lonely. Give me FFXII for vita please. Edit: syntax&grammar
Yeah, you're deluded if you think it's that simple; much of our infrastructure utilizes socialistic tendencies. We'd be damned without public schools, police departments, fire departments, public libraries, museums, postal service, prisons, sewer systems, the EPA, NPR, vaccines and of course, roads. Do you think the private sector would do a better job of governing our country? Do you think corporations would enact laws to help protect and serve you and your family? Our entire civilization depends on us being a people united. Socialism is a glue that binds us together and makes possible the things that we could not accomplish as individuals working against each other.
We'd be damned without public schools, police departments, fire departments, public libraries, museums, postal service, prisons, sewer systems, the EPA, NPR, vaccines and of course, roads. We could do w/o Public Schools and probably end up with a better education. Police we could less of. Fire use Volunteers. Public Libraries. Who needs them. Postal service, this day in age, we could live. Prisons, useless. Just kill the killers, pedophiles, rapists, etc. The prison system is a huge waste of tax payer dollars locking up petty criminals and leaving wastes of life in lock up their entire life w/ free food and health care. NPR, we can definitely live w/o. EPA and Roads. 2 things we do need. Vaccines questionably need though more so for children than adults. The Roman Empire did quite fine maintaining and building roads. Our Government already has too many roads, too many welfare programs, useless agencies and wasted $ to maintain what we have. Cut back on these programs and wasted money pits.
I still have the ability to buy the games on my Vita. What are the some of the best games I should buy now, before they stop me? Does FF7 work well on Vita?
Yes, now only a few ones that were already there still work. I can name Chrono Cross, FF7, FF8.
they should allow some of the better ones that work. Im not sure about now but when I got my vita I had to use my ps3 to put silent hill on it. It worked great, but I remember it wasnt on the vita store. I dont have my ps3 anymore so I couldnt get those games if I wanted I guess.
haha thats why yoshida did the no speak english defence when asked on twitter why all the games came out lol
That is a real shame for Vita owners.
I guess I got lucky and was able to downloaded all the Crash and Spyro games I got in the flash sale on my vita before they removed them.
That's like winning the Lottery in my eyes.
I got my Crash Team Racing so I'm happy. Wished I downloaded the others though bit at least I got one!
You lucked out man! I've yet to get a Vita, so my hope is that when I finally do they will lift this restriction again and I can get them all on the go as well. :)
Jokes on them, I already downloaded everything Mwahahaha.
What's next? Add Video streaming abilities and remove video and music playback...? Oh wait...
Would this be considered a 180?
Not if it was a glitch in the update and no one came forward and said that's what they were doing, so it's not 180, but yoshida trolled ps nation when he said he's fine with it. I know he wasn't because I know he knows the laws of selling games and legal aspect, so what people should be complaining about is one: yoshida saying he's fine with it and 2: an update glitching out the ps store although that glitch was a good glitch
Plus, there was never an official statement made by a Sony rep that this was going to be offered indefinitely. Looks like the guy above was trying too hard to make the situation look bad.
Luckily I downloaded all the crash and spyro games on to my vita when I had the chance so I can still play them. If I were to transfer the games to my pc and then back later on would they still work?
dont know but i'm going to try it my self.
so lucky i really wanted spyro 2 and i held back
Did they make any sort of comment on this?
Can't you just download them onto your PS3 then transfer to the Vita?
I still don't get this, I've been able to play all my PS1 classics on my Vita since I bought one last summer. It's one of the reasons why I love my Vita. I was simply able to go to the download list and download them. I use the UK/EU store so maybe that has something to do with it?
Yep, a lot of the games like Crash Bandicoot are available in Europe but not in North America
those games being unlocked for vita almost got me to purchase another one. this is rather unfortunate but understandable.
Yeah it's odd, all the stores are different, i have a US account and a New Zealand one, different content. for instance.. Syphon Filter Dark Mirror is available for both US and NZ vita stores however Syphon Filter Logans Shadow is available only on US store but not EU. ( Luckily Logans shadow did work yesterday with the "error" ) and i downloaded it, however now yes it is not working. Why region lock these things out? In NZ all the PS1 games work on Vita and have so since launch including Spyro Trilogy ( which funnily enough are actually the US versions including cover art etc ) I can download Star Wars Battlefront Renegade Squadron on my US Vita account but not my NZ one? why? Medal of Honor Heroes 1 & 2 are Vita compatible in US but not in NZ And then some are just strange, like Monster Hunter Freedom ( the original one ) says its not vita compatible and not on the vita store, however it is one of those random games that by downloading it via the ps3 store and copying it manually to the vita it allows it? Whats with these inconsistencies? it dosen't seem like a licensing issue as it differs from region to region and it sounds like no one store gets the complete picture which is sad, most people will want an entire series on their console not patches Syphon Filter 1 and 3 are available on NZs PSN stores but not 2? why not 2??? Yet again, PSN in US has all 3? and when i hear US only just got the complete crash trilogy and spyro trilogy its strange
Logistics are a terrible terrible nightmare between SCEE & SCEA. What's green lighted on one end might be held up over classification on the other. It really is a nightmare. Gateway MT6706 2008
Does this mean whoever downloaded them onto their Vita can keep them? It sucks I haven't bought a Vita yet. Waiting for some money. Have tons of PS1 games from PS+.
Damn! I still had a couple of PSP games I´ve already purchased to download.
Damn, at least we know they can all be playen on your Vita.
I don't understand why they can't keep the ability for Crash & Spyro when they're Sony's own games.
exacly same goes for syphon filter logans shadow one of my favorite games on PSP. I DLed it yesterday and today i cant!!! outrage! i better enjoy it while i can.
My Vita has been off since this incident. I wonder if I can still play Metal Gear Solid on it as long as I stay offline.