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PS4 and Xbox One graphics disparity continues: Trials Fusion runs at 1080p on PS4 and 900p on Xbox


"Ubisoft is about to release the next entry in its motorcycle-platforming series on consoles and PC next week, and — like other multiplatform games — it has a slightly higher resolution on the PlayStation 4 than on the Xbox One.

Trials Fusion hits Wednesday for the PS4, Xbox One, and Xbox 360 (and PC on April 24), and developer RedLynx promises that it runs at a smooth 60 frames per second on all of those systems. It will not, however, run at the same resolution. Ubisoft has confirmed to GamesBeat that Fusion will run at 1080p on PS4 and 900p on Xbox One. Those numbers refer to the number of horizontal lines the game is rendering for every frame of animation." (PS4, Trials Fusion, Xbox One)

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NYC_Gamer  +   668d ago | Well said
Wow,MS really needs to get those updated drivers[they claimed fixed performance]to developers..Its crazy when an indie game can't be full HD on a 500 dollar console.
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UbiquitousClam  +   668d ago | Well said
I agree that MS need to up there game but trials is not an indie game, its published by Ubisoft.
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3   668d ago | Trolling | show
Sethry101  +   668d ago | Well said
Forza was severely down graded to run at 1080p 60fps, this down grade is common knowledge and well documented.

Forza 5 actually had less visual effects then Forza 4, which is kind of scary!


Just to back up my statement.
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The_Infected  +   668d ago | Well said
You wonder why it's 1080p/60.
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Kingthrash360  +   668d ago | Well said
so forza is the end all be all? maybe you should think long and hard about ALL the other games on the system. yay forza 1080p 60fps...1st party game. these 3rd party games for some reason arnt running on the $500 machine like it is on a $400.
at the end of the day i dont really care about the gap between the systems but i do hate to hear people ignore the problems.
the x1 is 500 bucks and if it cant run games at the same level as the $400 dollar machine then it is largely over priced. let's not defend this practice.
truefan1   668d ago | Trolling | show
Sethry101  +   668d ago | Well said
truefan, surely even you have to be able to admit that the hardware is weaker in the Xbox.

No dev is ever going to make a game deliberately weaker on one consol. The fact that even first party games are running at lower resolutions will show you that its not a case of 'not trying'.

The RAM setup is creating a bottleneck, trying to push through larger resolutions while maintaining visual effects is proving hard to do.

With that I use my last bubble, so good night!
Ron_Danger  +   668d ago | Well said

"I think this is the new marketing strategy, making sure a game runs at a higher resolution on ps4 and get the ps4 fans on your side"

Ha! Are you kidding me?! Are you actually thinking that this is all one big conspiracy to get Sony fans on their side?? You have officially gone off the deep end. You blindly follow MS so much that you are basically calling 3rd party devs Sony fanboys.
onyoursistersback  +   668d ago
I am convinced that if your not using cloud/internet connection. You will hardly ever get your games to run 1080p/60fps on a XboxOne. Hell, some will probably force you to have a live/active account to run most games....

It's being forced on Xbox fans, live with it....or just keep making up story's about how good it is.

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MysticStrummer  +   668d ago | Well said
@Wraith - Why think long and hard about something that's been well documented? Forza achieved those targets by noticeable downgrades to the visuals.

@truefan - Deep end achieved.

OT - Multiplat disparity will be the norm this gen, just like it was last gen when there were nearly always small differences. The differences are just bigger now. Sony designed a console based on the input of developers, while MS designed a console based on the direction they wanted to push the industry. The result is a power gap in PS4's favor.
TheGreatAndPowerful  +   668d ago
This is humiliating for MS and it's going to be like this the entire gen.
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WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   668d ago
"so forza is the end all be all? "

No, but none of Sony's offerings as far as AAA exclusive titles run, 1080p/60fps even though one of them was touted as such, but was lied about. I just find it all sorta of...odd.
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Pain  +   668d ago

"I think this is the new marketing strategy, making sure a game runs at a higher resolution on ps4 and get the ps4 fans on your side"

kinda like MS's parity clause last gen gimping PS3 games right? right True?
Deadpoolio   668d ago | Trolling | show
Eonjay  +   668d ago

Wow. This makes the talk about Watch Dogs seem trivial. Watchdogs is not 1080p on Xbox One. This is incredible. What were they playing this game on. That is incredible deception.
Eonjay  +   668d ago

Man I'm sorry.
Pogmathoin  +   667d ago
No one is ignoring anything KT, its the same people speaking the same crap every time, highlighting something we all know, PS4 is more superior... ie, you, heavy and so own.... Have 5 games on X1, 4 on PS4, full retail games, and sure, first thing you notice os graphics, crispness and so on, but when I play Forza, or any driving game, I do not stop to take in the scenery.....those that make comments about it have probably never played it, and more and likely just troll, while dreaming about next gen....
Septic  +   667d ago
Smh..trials fusion can't run @ 1080p???

Sort it out Ms.
Sevir  +   667d ago | Well said
@Trufan1 soooo you mean Respawn made Titan Fall on XBO run at 796p because they wanted PS fans on their side? Please proceed to plank in the middle of a busy highway.

This, people is the perfect example of why you should never do crystal meth.
Xsilver  +   667d ago
at the end of the Day which Console Has the most 1080p60Fps Games :/ and the Only thing Odd is a Game like Trials not being able to Run at 1080p on XOne. Matter of fact Name One Multiplatform Game that the Xone version has higher Resolution or framerate than the PS4 version happy Hunting.
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dantesparda  +   667d ago
What do they mean a "slightly higher resolution"? Its a 44% increase! thats a little more than a slight increase. Also, these fanboys that say "well Forza does 1080/60fps". So what? What are you trying to say? That the system can do 1080/60fps just because one game did it by cutting down on quality? Cuz if thats the case, then why didnt this game do it, yet can do it on the PS4? And why is it that the rest of X1's exclusives (Ryse, DR3, KI and TF all run at 720p) and a whole bunch of multiplats cant even run at 1080p on the X1? (BF4 and COD 720p, etc).
TheGreatAndPowerful  +   667d ago
Lead programer for Trials explains why the PS4 kicks so much ass. :D

"For our game, stable 60 fps is the most important thing. Pushing twice as many frames requires twice as many GPU and CPU cycles. This makes our game very demanding to the hardware."
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tokugawa  +   667d ago | Well said
new drivers lol they need a new console!

the bone is a joke.... and i have one
JetP0619  +   667d ago
that's even worst, considering ubisoft is a big company and cant get this running on full HD
Ritsujun  +   667d ago
WoofSpectre's mad!!

Don't ever give up, MS!!!!!!!
ADECENTBOY777  +   667d ago
Well, the MS console is just weaker, that's all. We all knew that from the very beginning, and forget all the fairytales about secret saucage and plus stuff. Wake up and accept that PS4 has a better hardware and easier to develop for - just ask the devs! :)
badz149  +   667d ago

Of course it can be 1080p on Xbone too but it won't be 60fps for sure. But before you even go into full denial mode, just give an example of a multiplat running better on Xbone than on PS4. There is NONE and that should tells you something.

The Xbone's biggest exclusive of the year is 792p to achieve 60fps and it's not even a looker, on an aging engine to begin with!
jmac53  +   667d ago
I have never seen one person get so many disagrees Truefan at 204 disagrees. Ha!
lelo  +   668d ago | Well said
I agree. Like it or not, being a fanboy or not, most people should admit that the X1 is not worth 500€. It's a overpriced piece of hardware... Microsoft is trying to imitate Apple with it's overpriced products. At this moment the X1 should be priced 350-400€ and (if existed and if Microsoft were smart) a Kinect-less X1 should be priced at 300€.

I know the most important thing that defines a console are it's games, but it's inadmissible that a game like Trials Fusion runs only at 900p on the X1.
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Gozer  +   668d ago
If you don't own an X1 you really cant credibly comment on what the X1 is worth. Sure you can state your opinion but I would listen to someone who owns one more closely than some random poster stating their opinion. I own an X1 and it has been great. I actually bought 2 at launch, one for me, one for my son and I have no regrets.
T2  +   668d ago
Totally agree and price cuts this early such as titanfall plus xbl for 449 proves that it's overpriced because price is set by consumers, and at 499 they said hell no
MysticStrummer  +   668d ago
@Gozer - MS themselves has admitted XB1 was overpriced by dropping that price and including what was supposed to be their biggest system seller for free.

I bought a launch PS3 for full price and never regretted it, but even I know it was priced too high for the market's liking.
Tempest317  +   667d ago

I understand you giving more weight to the opinion of an owner vs non owner, but you cant really say non owners cant credibly comment on what its worth. I know All the functions and I also know and understand the hardware is my opinion not credible? The reason I havemt bought one is its not worth the price youre saying for my opinion that its overpriced to be valid, I would have had to bought one at full msrp? Just so I can credibly say it wasnt worth the money? Seems a little ridiculous to me.

Edit: if the price was $400 id probably get one...if it was $350 Id have one for sure
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Sethry101  +   668d ago
I have yet to see any solid proof of anything that will improve the graphical power output of the Xbox. I have no doubt drivers will help in the long term, but not to the extent that is being claimed.
fr0sty  +   668d ago
Then there's also the fact that Sony has its own team of coders typing away creating new PS4 drivers as well. Both systems will benefit from software upgrades over the course of the generation.
Sethry101  +   668d ago
Exactly, I have never understood the argument that drivers will help one consol catch up to another.

Firstly software can never compensate for hardware.

Secondly, both console will see driver updates, not just one.
Jumper09  +   668d ago
SDK updates wont fix missing Hardware power. People still forget that the Memory Setup is worse and the GPU is way weaker than the PS4 GPU.

People have to accept that Xbone Hardware for what it is.
u got owned  +   668d ago

"People have to accept that Xbone Hardware for what it is."

I think people already accepted and are enjoying their boxes it is the PS4 fans who keep talking and keep bringing the same thing over and over
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Farsendor1  +   668d ago
software tools can get better for X1 and ps4 but when it comes to hardware being as they are closed they cant get any better.
Kayant  +   668d ago
@u got owned

"I think people already accepted and are enjoying their boxes it is the PS4 fans who keep talking and keep bringing the same thing over and over" - The recent hopes of supposed 2X improvement and cloud rendering possibilities says otherwise.
u got owned  +   668d ago

Having hopes of the box improving (which it will and if you think otherwise then you are blind) and enjoying their boxes is completely different. Its like saying "i dont want my ps4 to improve because im happy about how it performing right know)
scotmacb  +   668d ago
Anyway you get a really good game now on uour system xbox owners have been playing these for years
Kayant  +   668d ago
@u got owned

Good point I can't disagree with that I should have been more clear before. I was more trying to say that some people still have it in their minds that there the disparity between the two consoles will end given we know the specs, we have seen how launch games and post launch games have performed, both consoles will see improvements as time goes on yet they believe a API(software) update will somehow make the XB1 more powerful than the PS4 or on par with it in every title because that's what that supposed 2X performance will do.
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TomShoe  +   668d ago
misterxmedia must be throwing a fit right now.
MasterCornholio  +   667d ago
Didn't Mr.X say that Microsoft wanted to hold back the Xbox Ones power to surprise Sony later on in the generation?

In my opinion he is crazy and his followers (like Truefan,georgeenoob, green powers) are crazy as well.
amazinglover  +   668d ago
Agreed also with the rate at the updates have been coming it would seem the MS wanted to have a release of November this year and only brought it out last year as to not give Sony a year head start.
k3rn3ll  +   668d ago
Well that's common knowledge man. Its not really a secret. Also why d12 isn't out yet is it was suppose to coincide with launch or shortly thereafter.
lifeisgamesok  +   668d ago
It goes back to the statement Microsoft made

They said they are giving developers the option of better quality of pixels or more pixels

These developers were probably just lazy

If Forza is 1080p this game could be too and have great quality pixels in 1080p

900p and 1080p is the most subtle difference anyway
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gameslayer2411  +   668d ago | Well said
I still don't get how people who sink multiple hours out of their lives, of spending time with family, to fully commit to working ridiculously hard on a project, can be called lazy. You can't say that somebody who's whole pay check revolves around the success of a game, would be lazy in their job. That is plain stupid, and an utterly rude statement. Grow the hell up dude, before you call someone lazy, you got out there, and you make a game and pour your life into it, then when it doesn't match up to fanboy standards, deal with being called lazy when you did your best. Man...Shove off....
Kayant  +   668d ago
"They said they are giving developers the option of better quality of pixels or more pixels" - Looooooooool this is golden. Seriously better quality *pixels*. Yh right the magical upscaler fixes everything doesn't....

"These developers were probably just lazy" - So lazy that this isn't the first time we have seen a disparity between both consoles when a game is 60fps or 1080p.

"If Forza is 1080p this game could be too" - That's true but it sacrificed a lot of visual effects to get there.
HeWhoWalks  +   668d ago
Forza 5 is an anomaly, as evidenced by the disparity between how many games run in 1080p on the PS4 (both exclusive and 3rd party) and the ones that do on the X1. Besides, without a shred of proof, your claims of "laziness" sound more like a deterrent and a "please understand" attitude more than anything else.

Make no mistake, I have no doubt that the X1 can output games (in specific situations, given what we know about the hardware) in 1080p, but it's having trouble matching the PS4 because, well, weaker hardware is weaker hardware.
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Applejack  +   668d ago | Well said
First of all, to say the developers are just lazy when you don't have a clue about the process is ridiculous. Second, everyone knows the only reason Forza 5 ran at 1080p was because it was majorly downgraded (look at Sethry101 and The_Infected's comments). Finally, you downplay the difference between 1080p and 900p so with that logic, you wouldn't mind Forza 5 to be at 900p since you apparently can't tell?
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Sarcasm  +   668d ago | Well said
Ah yes, when all else fails. Say the developers are lazy.

So I guess all these developers are Lazy then,

Crytek - Ryse
Capcom - Dead Rising 3
Respawn - Titanfall
Konami - MGS GZ
Infinity Ward - COD Ghosts
Rare - Killer Instinct

Need I go on?
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ger2396  +   668d ago
If its subtle, Microsoft should just make all games on xbox1 900p. Problem solved.
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ger2396  +   668d ago
Double post
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GarrusVakarian  +   668d ago
I disagree, MS isn't giving the devs anything but the hardware, the devs themselves make the options in terms of resolution based off of said hardware.

"Quality of pixels" doesn't mean what you think it means. The quality of pixels completely depends on the panels that manufactures use for TV's and monitors.

And calling a group of people who's bills are paid by putting thousands of hours into making games lazy is just plain rude and ignorant imo.
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Why o why  +   667d ago
Arghh, the good ol 'run to forza' retort......ill call this the 'jimmy falon'

I've heard many tout ms as the software dons but even they can only do so much with the weaker hardware. Things will improve but they will also improve on the ps4
mixelon  +   667d ago
Hahahaha! "better quality pixels". XD

esemce  +   667d ago
Microsoft were they lazy and disrespectful ones as they knew they had their loyal fans by the balls deeply invested/hooked on Xb live and could get away with skimping costs on the hardware to cater to to the casual multimedia crowd. The hardcore gamers came last to them.
Kryptix  +   667d ago

"They said they are giving developers the option of better quality of pixels or more pixels"

They never said that, provide the link.

"These developers were probably just lazy"

You just called every developer lazy. Respawn must be lazy because Titanfall isn't running at 1080p. Your logic is completely flawed because most multiplatform games run better on PS4.

"If Forza is 1080p this game could be too and have great quality pixels in 1080p"

If Forza is that really the only game on Xbox One that runs at 1080p? What about, if Dead Rising 3...wait, let me try that again. If Ryse...nope, you can't use that.

"900p and 1080p is the most subtle difference anyway"

Then why are you here complaining? So there is a difference then. 1080p is better than anything lower, let's just leave it at that and you need the more powerful hardware to run it.
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mogwaii  +   666d ago
Its the principle
Jumper09  +   668d ago
drivers wont fix missing hardware power. When will people finally accept that?
Zombro  +   667d ago
I have but a console that has my friends on it is better then one without friends
Omegasyde  +   667d ago
@ Zombro -

Good point, but who out of your friends was the first to go Xbox only? Now if they chose the console due to the kinect, do you enjoy the kinect? Did they choose it because of Achievements, what about your Achievements? Can you use your achievements to win/bid on real items? Does yjr Xbox live rewards not require either a survey or that I purchase something?

Do you all play the exclusives Xbox one games together, and if not, why did you all choose the Xbone?


TL:DR Don't be a follower, be a leader.
Jazz4108  +   667d ago
The xboxone is a incredibly fun console to play and own and that is what matters. Bicker on about resolution now.
randomass171  +   668d ago
Not that I feel the resolutions are a big issue, but Microsoft would be smart to help make development better on the platform. A smaller game like this should run at the same resolution as PS4.
AgentSmithPS4  +   668d ago
It's known that one console is less powerful but could the difference in resolution be partially related to how Ubisoft feels about things that don't sell enough product? Like the "1 million Morpheus'" comment

Since the PS4 sells more?

It's a complicated issue, of course parity shouldn't be forced but should a company have to spend more than half the time on a weaker system because that's what was given to them? Don't Ubihard on the underdog Ubisoft!
OrangePowerz  +   667d ago
Doubtful, the AC ports for.the WiiU are quite good and that one sells really bad.
andrewsqual  +   668d ago
Updated drivers to correct the very basic and simple thing that is the eSRAM bottleneck? Whatever you say.
MeLoveRamen  +   668d ago
For everybody saying that it isn't the xbox1's fault, it's the developers, You have to remember that the xbone couldn't run killer instinct at 1080p, its 720p and thats a 2D fighter and titanfall is a 6vs6 fps that can only output 792p so really i could totally see the bone struggling to run this game at a full crisp 1080p if it couldn't run a 2d fighter in full HD.
quenomamen  +   668d ago
Drivers no fix em, weak hardware.
DeathOfTheFanBoy  +   668d ago
This again?
nosferatuzodd  +   668d ago
homer Simpson laugh HA HA
gobluesamg  +   667d ago
You mean Nelson laugh?
killzone619  +   667d ago
mark3214uk  +   668d ago
why wont the devs come out and say why they cant go above 900p on games? we can all speculate and say its not powerfull enough but it would be nice to hear from a dev thats had the exp with it,do the fps drop dramaticly when they go above 900p?
showtimefolks  +   668d ago
i don't know why we need so many articles, let me say it once and for all. This generation PS4 is the console you want to play all games. Exclusives,3rd party games etc,

xbox one needs to offer more exclusives so people will have a reason to buy one for exclusives

3rd party games were generally better on xbox360 now 3rd party games are better on ps4. No amount of made up stuff like cloud gaming or Dx12 will make xbox one more stronger then ps4. Just wait till ND do a game on ps4 and it will be all but over

GDDR5 memory will come into play big time in few years. Also this shows sony got a lot of feedback and made the best possible console. Mark Cenry deserves a lot of credit
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Kiwi66  +   667d ago
not everyone will agree with you about the ps4 being the console to own for all games as believe it or not there are people that prefer the xbox for all their gaming needs so no the ps4 is not the console for all games as you say
HRoach616  +   667d ago

Well said. I have both systems, and I played all my multipat games last gen on my 360. Used the PS3 for exclusives. This gen I switched it up and only use my X1 for exclusives. As a gamer, not a fanboy, I don't understand why people deny the truth. I love both systems. But the PS4 is better all around. Mark Cerny and Sony did a great job.
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Pablo18474  +   667d ago
Wow! You can tell the difference between 1080p 60fps and 900p 60fps. I would say that's a bigger WOW!
HacSawJimThugin  +   667d ago
Yea all if a sudden EVERYONE can tell the difference between 900 and 1080....who cares. I said it once and I will say it again, as long as it plays smooth I'm good 900 or 1080.
Section8uk  +   667d ago
You can definitely tell the difference on a 55" screen.

Having said that, I would be quite happily play a game at 900p without complaining if I had nothing to compare it against.
Zombro  +   667d ago
It's not 500 it's 399 with a free game now
HRoach616  +   667d ago
Not everywhere, only in some markets or retailers. As soon as that is dropped everywhere then it's an official price drop. Retailers are doing it to recoup losses, like target for example. And certain markets are doing it because they were falling too far behind in sales compared to the PS4. Where I live even on amazon it's still $499. Granted it does come with Titenfall.
headblackman  +   667d ago
this is a small development group which more than likely has an older x1 sdk kit. that's why they are having resolution issues.
OrangePowerz  +   667d ago
Right they don't have internet to download the latest SDK.
iceman06  +   667d ago
Or, based on the information that has been out since the beginning of the generation from many developers, it is just more difficult to optimize code on the Xbox 1. Thus, creating a longer timeline for development and eating up funds that a small development group doesn't have to waste. Remember, PS3 suffered from the same issues and multiplats often came out "sub-par". Not because it couldn't do it. But, because it cost too much to achieve that benchmark for most developers.
kenshiro100  +   667d ago
Wow truefan, you just gave delusional and crazy brand new names.

It's really sad that an expensive console like the XB1 can't even display impressive graphics in this day and age of technology.
BattleTorn  +   667d ago
$500 console struggling with indie hehe
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imt558  +   667d ago
It won't happen.

It’s physically impossible for Xbox One to match PS4 performance.

Deal with it, Xbone fans. DX12, cloud...etc ( :rolleyes:) won't save Xbone. NEVER
gamer7804  +   667d ago
by putting "never" at the end of your sentence negated everything you said, just fyi.
Matt666  +   667d ago
Who cares aslong as you enjoy the game for what it is, that the problem with a lot of "gamers" these days they only seem to care about graphics, as long as you got a nice balance of graphics and gameplay I don't see the problem. Graphics give it that unique feeling, like mincraft, the wolf amoung us etc, while gameplay gives you a good story.

Fanboys make me laugh few years ago they would of been mocking Sony's PS3 how the resolution wasn't the same as the 360's, now they suddenly jumped ship and try to make out that they been Sony fans all along.

If your going to call yourself a gamer, respect other peoples opinions and respect the other consoles for what they are.
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gamer7804  +   667d ago
why do you have so many agrees, trials is not an indie game... that says it all
TAURUS-555  +   667d ago
this is the end of the xbox1.

only 900p..seriously ???
Soc5  +   667d ago
Yeah, that's kind of sad
avengers1978  +   667d ago
Simple one machine was built for great games, the other was trying to be an all in one device, thus gimping all aspects.
PS4 will always have the better games they put the effort into making a great game machine witch is what consumers and devs wanted
ColManischewitz  +   668d ago
Who can really tell the difference? Let's argue about mechanics and quality, not about resolution differences that you can't really see.
GarrusVakarian  +   668d ago
It depends completely on the individual, i can clearly tell the difference between Titanfall (792p), BF4 on PS4 (900p) and 1080p games like Infamous and Tomb Raider...and that's from sitting 10 feet away from a 42 inch TV. Other people genuinely can't tell the difference though, i don't suppose that's a bad thing tbh.....

I agree that there are more important aspects, i'm just giving my two cents on the whole res thing. 900p or 1080p, this game looks fun. Can't wait to play it.

@meditate this

"Yeah sure you can."

I don't need internet strangers telling me what i can and can't see on my own TV own my own consoles. You don't believe me? Great, good for you. But i can tell a difference between 720-900-1080p. Easily.

I don't see your point about BF4 on the PS4......ive played it on my PS4 for 140 hours at 900p....and ive played it on my friends gtx 680 setup at 1080p and the 1080p version looks much sharper than my PS4 version. So what exactly are you getting at?

Why does it upset you that i can tell differences between resolutions? When i think about it...the less able you are to notice resolution differences, the less disappointed you will be when you play games at a lower res.

Ask any PC gamer on this website if he can tell the differences between those 3 resolutions. I bet you he/she will say they can.
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mediate-this  +   668d ago
Yeah sure you can. You can tell the difference when its ps4 vs x1 but not when its ps4 vs p.c, any graphicly demanding game on ps4 that can do full res n framerate? Bf4 by far the best game on both systems, the most demanding and again ps4 can not play it at full res or frame rate
Bathyj  +   668d ago
Who said we couldn't tell the difference between consoles and pc?

Just cos we choose to game on console doesn't mean we don't know pc's are better looking.
GarrusVakarian  +   668d ago
In addition to my above comment, i will even go one step further...i can also tell the difference between a 1080p game with poor AA and a 1080p game with good AA.

I won't mention which games im talking about in case i start something, but some people in a certain camp have to accept that others can easily see resolution differences and that they are only saying otherwise because of their version being the "lesser" version in terms of resolution. Or they are being sincere in saying they can't tell a difference, but there are a few people here saying that it's a *fact* that there is no difference. Which is a lie.

If there wasn't a noticeable difference, devs simply wouldn't run anything above 720p, they would save the processing power for elsewhere. It would make no sense to waste power on non-distinguishable resolutions.
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DigitalRaptor  +   668d ago
@ mediate-this

If you can't tell the difference as clear as this, you must have severe visual deficiency:
RealtorMDandDC  +   667d ago
Totally agree with you. People that say they can't tell the difference between 1080p and anything lesser is so full of it.

Play COD on PS3 then play it on PS4 There's a very noticeable difference...

Play AC4 on PS3 and then PS4..the game almost looks next gen..I was in awe at times with AC4...and I never ever purchased an AC game in my life until PS4....

1080p makes a big difference at least for me.
scott182  +   667d ago
People can see a resolution difference between Titanfall 792p on X1 and sub 720p on 360. But somehow the same people can ever see a resolution difference when it comes to PS4 vs X1. Kinda strange.
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GribbleGrunger  +   667d ago
Why is it always the people who can't get the 1080p version on their console that can't see the difference? Serious question.
Visiblemarc  +   668d ago
Getting kind of tired of this one. No offense to those who can't see the difference, but to many, if not most, it's super obvious. That is why 1080 is pursued for films, television and games to begin with.
Kayant  +   668d ago
What's the story here? Resolution not how well/fun or whatever the game is. I really wish we would stop with these excuses everytime.

As there are lots of people who can tell the difference between resolution, framerates, etc. So I don't see why it shouldn't be discussed just because some people can't tell the difference. If that's the case we would all still be using sub HD Tvs/monitors none would people even bother about full HD yet alone HD.
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Visiblemarc  +   668d ago
Exactly. It's sort of like good headphones. Some people can't tell a $5 pair from a $500 pair.

Do you see forums talking about high end headphones full of people saying "who can hear the difference anyway?!" Nope.

If being picky about graphics doesn't suit people, why do they read articles about being picky about graphics and comment on them?

The whole argument makes no sense to me, period. Graphics are part of immersion and immersion is part of fun, for many, along with gameplay, which of course, is king.

Yet, a car's key feature is transportation, yet is there something wrong about talking about the comfort of it's seats?

Same applies to gameplay vs graphics. Remove the "vs" it's never either/or.
k3rn3ll  +   668d ago
The reason I feel this way is because of the "console war" this is what most discussion has turned to on the internet. I mean really how many times can we have the same argument?

In this day in age it sucks that every new game 95% of the press and message boards are about resolution differences. And we only fuel these articles by debating them. Therefore we end up getting less and less actual news before a release because the main news sites know people will click these stories.

I've said it before but I flat out feel bad for devs. To put years of work into a project just to have it ripped apart in the fan wars due to a number on the back of a case. Only to have that be the closest thing to appreciation your going to get from fans because they are just going to move on to the next resolution story when the next news cycle begins.

At least that's what I think/hope some people mean when they say "can we stop having this discussion". Thanks for letting me rant for a bit guys
RealtorMDandDC  +   667d ago
Totally agree....If resolution did not matter We will still be using VHS and CRT TV's.

Resolution and frame rate DOES matters...frame rate is mattering more in even movies.

Look at the smart phones...

Blu-rays sells more often than DVD's.

All Camcorders record in 1080p some even record in 4k

IMAX has expanded in the past 10yrs

Netflix shows are in 1080p

Youtube gets trashed because of the compression tech they use because the resolutions sucks..

GoPro records in 1080p

We live in a Full HD world...that's why there's Lasik eye surgery...
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Brazz  +   668d ago
I can see the difference clearly, Ps4 costs $ 399 and gives me 1080p the other costs $ 499 and gives me 900P!
can not see the difference of 180p, ok, no problem ... but if you can not see the $100 difference then we have a serious problem ...
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brich233  +   668d ago
the difference is really 633600p's
aerisbueller  +   668d ago
That's a silly thing to say. Do you think XBox games will have better gameplay every time the resolution isn't up to snuff? Are you saying every 1080p or 60fps game is going to have bad gameplay. Mechanics have nothing to do with the price/performance of the XBox One. It's a red herring.
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quenomamen  +   668d ago
Lets argue about the $100 difference that I can see.
Kayant  +   668d ago
Oh man... I don't know what to say. Esram issues? Has to been the game doesn't seem to be a graphical show piece in anyway. Am going to guess dev had issues using Esram IMO.
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iceman06  +   667d ago
This really reminds me of the PS3 launch. Remember when only Sony internal studios knew how to use the foreign architecture? It only got better when they made the decision that they had to start sharing information. The issue here is that MS has a limited amount of studios and, thus far, they don't seem to be making any progress. Initially, optimization was just much faster and easier on PS4. Until that changes, if it changes, I expect that this will be the multiplat compromise. Much like that on the PS3.
UsUcK  +   668d ago | Intelligent
No surprise then. Glad i moved to ps4.
RiPPn  +   668d ago
Intelligent bubble for making an intelligent purchase.
Zombro  +   667d ago
What is ps4 a country now
SixtyNine  +   667d ago
kingduqc  +   667d ago
if you wanted preaty you should of moved to pc... just saying.
bloodybutcher  +   667d ago
Whai, aperently it dosent haf awtokorekt
r2oB  +   667d ago
Maybe he wanted pretty AND less expensive.
slazer101  +   668d ago
Okay okay we get it, one has a different resolution than the other. Can we please stop with these type of articles? It is getting old now. Thanks
nyobzoo  +   668d ago
didn't stop last console generation, not going to stop this console generation
Sethry101  +   668d ago
Also people who own both console want to know these things, if one version is better then the other, you're going to want to by that one.
HaveAsandwich  +   668d ago
not gonna happen. just saying.
ZeroX9876  +   668d ago
got to keep potential buyers informed. getting the better performing hardware for your money is really important to some users who can't afford a PC and want the most out of their console of choice.

Not a problem for me, both PC/PS4 and the Wii U is a possible buy after mario kart releases and E3 2014 :)
blackpanther25  +   667d ago
No lie Mario kart 8 got me wanting a Wii U......never thought I would say that
Bathyj  +   668d ago
It's about letting people know and stay informed. It's like, ok battlefield looks better on Ps4, but I want to know about COD too. Should we not talk about it because the subject as been talked about before but for a different game?

I guess on the information super highway, you'd be a speed bump.

Omg, you're ESRAM
Sci0n  +   668d ago
greatest comment mankind has ever witnessed on the internet. Bubbles for you sir.
MeLoveRamen  +   668d ago
Actually its not getting old, these two consoles just came out 4 months ago and people wanna see which console has more bang for the buck, I am wondering if it was the other way around and the ps4 was the one that was weaker if these kinda articles would be getting old, my guess is it wouldn't.
thoract  +   667d ago
Even if the PS4 was weaker I would still buy it. Sony has a better track record in terms of games I like to play.

MS on the other hand uses there money to buy 3rd party games and call it there own, for a while.
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Godz Kastro  +   668d ago
I'm sorry... This is just proof ms launched this system earlier than they really wanted to. Trials? Really? Smh...
kingdom18  +   668d ago
If they didn't want to launch this early, maybe they shouldn't have, yes the PS4 would have a considerable advantage but then maybe they wouldn't have this horrible stigma attached to the XBO if they didn't have to rush some things, and maybe the whole DRM debacle could have been avoided, or at least gone more smoothly.
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MasterCornholio  +   667d ago
This is just further proof that Microsoft didn't target the highest graphical capabilities in their console.

Which is something they said.

CaptainSellers  +   668d ago
*waits for georgenoob to comment*
DJustinUNCHAIND  +   668d ago
And once again, no one will be able to tell the difference.
04STIBluByU  +   668d ago
Oh really test me...I have 20/15 vision and have a 1080p Epson 8100 Home cinema projector with 7.1 surround. Please tell me I cant see a difference when My screen is 100".
Flutterby  +   667d ago
Yes of course people can't see the difference that's why companies stopped increasing rez on TVs after they hit 720p ........I right they didn't huh , maybe that's because anyone with normally working eyes can see the difference. I can definitely see the difference when I play bf4 on my pc in 1080p and play it later on my ps4 at 900p , the difference is pretty big. The only people that seem to be pixelblind are xbone fanboys, pc people such as myself can see it that's why I spend thousands on my pc every couple years.
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corvusmd  +   668d ago
Meh, this topic is old...just like all the other times there won't be a noticeable difference. After seeing more advanced games run just appears that this is a developer issue, not an XB1 issue.

You need a tv bigger than 55in from less than four feet away to even tell the difference between 1080p and 720p...or else the naked eye can't even notice's a fact. If you need to play it in slow motion on a PC screen less than a foot from your face to even NOTICE any's not a big enough deal. Not to mention the best game so far this gen is closed
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psforward  +   668d ago
Most likely a hardware and developer issue. Took too much effort to get 1080p out of the X1 hardware. Also, you need an eye exam if you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at a distance greater than 5 feet on a 55in screen...fact.
quenomamen  +   668d ago
We dont make fun of people with eye or any other type of disabilities here on N4G
Thank you.
GarrusVakarian  +   668d ago
"You need a tv bigger than 55in from less than four feet away to even tell the difference between 1080p and 720p...or else the naked eye can't even notice's a fact."

No it's not a fact! The very fact that i DO notice a difference automatically voids your statement calling it fact, and my TV is smaller than that and i sit further away. How can you just say it's a fact when it completely depends on the individuals ability? That first sentence sounds like something straight out of a 'resolution vs distance' article off the internet. Not from someone who has actually played at those resolutions.

You are saying the naked eye can't tell the difference between over a million pixels difference? I'm sorry, but ive never disagreed with anyone on here as much as i disagree with everything you just said.

If you have a native 1080p TV, then 1080p games and movies will look blatantly better than 900p and 720p. Play Infamous SS, or Tomb Raider, then play DR3 or BF4 on the X1 and honestly tell me if you don't see a difference.

Fair enough if *you* can't tell the difference, but please don't on here and say it's fact that you need a certain size TV and need to be a certain distance away, because it's complete bull.
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T2  +   668d ago
Anyone who downloads movies knows you can easily tell the difference, 720p for movies you don't really care about, 1080p for the ones you do... The difference is huge and for 900p not huge but noticeable.. Anyway my tv doesn't even support 900p
MasterCornholio  +   667d ago

Thats why I download my movies in 1080P because it looks much sharper than 720P.
Bathyj  +   668d ago
The difference is Ps4 is doing 1080p 60 fps (apparently what people want this gen), and Xbone isn't, and people are in fact noticing. Now, don't you have a goalposts to move?
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Flutterby  +   667d ago
Not a chance , they actually misplaced the goalposts when they all kept moving them at the start of the year , no one is sure who moved them last and where they went. Could have been morepoweroftroll or jokes on you or anyone of them.
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MeLoveRamen  +   668d ago
lol don't tell me you got that information at ign from those 2 xbox fanyboys that are supposed to be gaming journalist? BTW sorry buddy titanfall isn't even remotely close to being the best game so far, even when comparing just first person shooters even when battlefield 4 is broken its still a better multiplayer experience then titanfail.
DigitalRaptor  +   668d ago
The "Best game so far this gen" failed to live up to its manufactured hype and its genuine flaws not acknowledged like any other game on any other console would have done.

Yet again, as you have been doing for the past 9 months, you're treating opinion and your own visual deficiency as fact.

Here's an eye opener for you:
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zerog  +   667d ago
I sit 3 feet from a 55" tv cause that's how I roll and I can tell the difference. Also to say that titan fall is the best game so far is a matter of opinion, its just like cod, for every person it impressed there's 1-2 it didn't and another 5 who don't care.
Why o why  +   667d ago
Really paining ya murder dee... I feel for ya as a long standing n4g vet but not once have I EVER witnessed you talking all that stuff last gen.... this must be tough for you and your crew to have to reinvent yourselves and alter your beliefs to counter the situation.....

Truth be told, games like this shouldn't need any secret source. Something more serious, maybe but a game like this...damn
OrangePowerz  +   667d ago
Isn't that "fact" from over 5 years ago when people looked for reasons not to buy a full HD TV because apparently nobody can tell the difference so it was much better to save money and get a HD Ready TV with 720p and 1080i?

I have only a 40 inch TV and I can notice when I play something on PC or consoles in 1080p or below.

Since the "best game this gen" is 792p I presume you would also say that Respawn are not competent developers?

As for Titanfall being the best game this gen so far, that purely depends on the taste of people. For me it's a overhyped CoD with Mechs, no physics, no destruction, no jumping for mechs and limited space to move around and stupid useless AI since I play in a competitive way. I respect that for other's it's great and that's fine by me. But I think calling it the best game this gen so far is a bit over the top.

Anyway in case there will ever be a game that runs better with higher res on the X1 compared to PS4 I'm sure you will be one of the first to comment on how big of a difference it is.

Also if one console has a higher price and plays games worse it is kind of a big deal even if you can't see the difference.
SasukeX16  +   666d ago
Look up bf4 resolution difference gif and you can easily see the difference
DanielGearSolid  +   668d ago


This game isnt that demanding on a technical level

thats a shame
randomass171  +   668d ago
Sounds like it's a case of poor optimization unfortunately. Xbox One games seem to be optimized less because PS4 is what gets development priority. Since this game is not that demanding, this is a development issue more than a power issue.


Hopefully the upgrades they want to provide Xbox One with the cloud and Direct X12. Wii U saw a lot of poor optimization as well and that created a lot of misconceptions. I'm really glad PS4 is recognized as the strongest console, but I don't feel Xbox One should unjustly misconceived as a weak console at the same time.
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T2  +   668d ago
If this is true that should be even more alarming for ms. It shows devs don't care as much about x1
candy_mafia  +   668d ago
There's an aweful lot of wishing and hoping with Xbox One? MS released $500 worth of hope. People need to accept with X1, it is what it is. Doesn't stop my household from enjoying both.
incendy35  +   668d ago
Here we go again.. :D
Geekman  +   667d ago
Bathyj  +   668d ago
All the more damming because in many people's minds (mine included) , this is an Xbox game just like I will always see splinter cell as an Xbox game and metal gear solid as a PlayStation one.

It's like if MS had not bought gears and it went muliplat and ran better on Ps4. You can't say that wouldn't have been a big deal, it would have been huge. Makes you wonder if if not letting it be seen on another platform had any bearing over the acquisition.
AnEwGuY  +   667d ago
An XBOX game?? I think you mean PC. This franchise was always PC first, XBOX later.
Allsystemgamer  +   668d ago
Where's georgeonoob?
PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt  +   668d ago
he knows better. not to come here. or hes in denial..
vega275  +   668d ago
Resolution won't stop me from enjoying this game or any other on my xbox one. Enjoying every minute of it since I bought it

Edit: to the people disagreeing. Sorry it bothers you so much that someone is actually enjoying the system and not letting silly things like resolution bother them.
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Bathyj  +   668d ago
I'm only in here disagreeing with the people that are pretending there IS NO difference. There is.

I won't disagree with you saying the difference shouldn't effect your enjoyment. It won't.

The game looks hella fun on any console. That should be the main issue.
jetlian  +   668d ago
Where is the video? I want to see the difference.
gameslayer2411  +   668d ago
I Agree with your statement, Enjoy your console. I for one enjoy all of them, (Working in the Oil Industry will help with That) I play most games on my ps4, cause thats what my family has, I play exclusives on xbox one. And I play games that are moddable on my pc. Personally I like my ps4 over my xbox one but that is my preference. Just enjoy your console or Consoles. Everyone else be damned.
prettyboijay20  +   668d ago
lol X-box needs to step is game up lol TeamSony
jimbobbeers  +   668d ago
Some of you haven't got a clue. Telling MS they need to sort it out, this is pure development side. So Wolfenstein can hit 60fps/1080p on both, yet you think it's not capable of running trials.

Don't make me laugh. Clueless.
Jumper09  +   668d ago
IDTech5 is not using any new graphics tech. Its an old Engine. Wolfenstein runs at 60fps on every console.
PS3/360 version will have a dynamic resolution, like RAGE had.

And until the final game is out, i dont believe developer claims ;)
jimbobbeers  +   668d ago
Another clueless answer. You do realise people who can play Crysis 3 on high (on PC) are struggling to get a good res from the new Trials game right? Oh you didn't? I thought not.
Hicken  +   667d ago
Clueless? Yes, you are.

Just like those that try praising Forza and ignoring how many corners were cut, you're taking one game and assuming its performance numbers should be the same because of the engine they share.

Clueless, indeed.
jimbobbeers  +   667d ago
Why are we talking Forza? Oh that's right, you're trying to deflect my original post, nice try. Clueless... Still.
saint_seya  +   667d ago
So jimbo.. you are a pc player for what you said, and yet trying to argue that x-box one and ps4 should display same graphics with the difference in hardware, oh u didnt know, i thought so..
jimbobbeers  +   667d ago
It'd help if you knew how to speak English.
saint_seya  +   667d ago
It would help if you knew something about computers, graphics or anything at all #bad in english>>>lack of common sense

I take my bad english anyday.
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Hicken  +   667d ago
It's funny that you say someone else is trying to deflect, since your responses to everyone here are nothing more than that.

Wolfenstein is not Trials. Outside of the engine, there's nothing the two have in common. Why try to use one as an example of what's wrong with the other?

Ahh, because it suits your argument. That's also why you ignore the huge number of other games that share such a disparity, and instead treat this as a developer problem.

Seeing that you don't actually address of what Jumper or I say about the engine- instead doing deflection of your own- and that you disregard seya's assertion that, after you brought up PC, you should be well aware of the difference in hardware and how that affects the performance of software... With all that in mind, the clueless one definitely seems to be you.

Though I think it's willful ignorance on your part, since all this stuff is pretty damn obvious.
angelsx  +   668d ago
This is a joke for xbone
Chris12  +   668d ago
No, it's a joke for the developer.
Bonkerz  +   668d ago
I love how some of you guys think that the X1 is not capable of running at 1080P. You do realize that BF4 runs at 900P on the PS4 right? Also just like jimbo said these are dev things, games like wolfenstein can run 1080/60FPS on X1 trust me this game should be able to as well.
Jumper09  +   668d ago
You should start to get some background infos about Wolfenstein and IDTech5.

Because old IDTech5 can run at 1080p, doesnt mean that newer engines with more shit going on, can too.
MeLoveRamen  +   668d ago
Considering how every other game on the ps4 is 1080p and BF4 is still broken after 5 months of release is pretty safe to say that the developers didn't have enough time with the game. Since you like pointing things out, the only games that are 1080p on the xbone is sports games and a downgraded racing game. The xbone couldn't get a 2D fighter at 1080p and now it can't get a 2D motorcycle game to run at 1080p along with basically its whole library of games.
jaixvx  +   667d ago
bf4 on xbone is 720p.
Skate-AK  +   668d ago
Interesting. I remember reading they were rumored to both be at 720p.
No_Limit  +   668d ago
That was an April Fools joke posted on April 1st. LOL
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Skate-AK  +   668d ago
Oh haha. Well looks like I got got.
chaosx  +   668d ago
Doesn't seem Ubisoft can make any game run at 1080P on the xbox one…… even a game like trials…... maybe they don't want too….they seem to favour sony with exclusives.. maybe they are in to win with Sony….. just saying….
No_Limit  +   668d ago
D@mn, almost went a full day without the resolution gate to pop up and lord and behold, Trials, of all game, shows up.

Lord, this will not end well. :(
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Massacred  +   668d ago
Oh dear.
koliosis  +   668d ago
I'm starting to lose faith in Xbox One a game like this shouldn't have a problem doing 1080p!!!
randomass171  +   668d ago
But that's not really the console's fault. A game like Trials is not really that taxing. I think the Xbox One may be more difficult to develop for than PS4. Kind of like how PS3 ports of 360 games sometimes did not look as good.
Jumper09  +   668d ago
Weaker GPU + worse Memory Setup. And people still get shocked about inferior multiplatform games.

Will be fun when 2015 games arrive :) Dat gap
patrik23  +   668d ago
at least it's not 720p
Geekman  +   668d ago
700 degrees? Man, this is why I was gone for a week.
AceBlazer13  +   668d ago
lol,certainly wasn't expecting trials to be the next 1
Legacy212  +   668d ago
Ubisoft is in bed with sony. Murdered soul suspect, wolfenstein, need for speed, forza, all can run 1080p on xbox your going to tell me this gamr doesnt? Kinect sports, max curse of brother hood, spartan assault, rayman legends all run 1080p. Its obvious ubisoft and sony have something just like how they bring all exclusive content to sony. Sorry ubisoft I cant support your gamds until you get your ass in gear. Watch dogs cancelled. Keeping away from your company.
Flutterby  +   667d ago
What's your excuse for every other game that is 1080p on ps4 and less on xbone ?
kenshiro100  +   667d ago
Lmao, really?

You can't be serious, right?
mysteryraz11  +   668d ago
theres only 1 game below 1080p on the ps4 and theres several freaking 720p games on the xbox one, it makes no sense for it cost more it should be cheaper
PrinceOfAllSaiyans  +   668d ago
Daaaaaaaamn ! Oh I'm so glad I'm getting my Xbox One for only 350 with 2 controllers and DR3 next month. Its not worth 500 dollars.
Blackleg-sanji  +   668d ago
dude where put me down
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