GR: Former Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux is confident that Microsoft will eventually offer a Kinect-less SKU of Xbox One, saying that not doing so would be "unthinkable."
The problem with Kinects comes down to choice! It should never be offered as the only option.
Agreed. It's working amazingly well for Sony with PS4.
I agree with you, i choose to not use Kinect....but now that im using the X1 more and more, im realising that certain things have been restricted or made more inconvenient for people who only want to use a controller. For example, i can't upload or edit my awesome Titanfall clips with Upload Studio, because you need Kinect in to use it....wtf, what possible reason could they have to limit those things to Kinect users only? I could do it with a controller just as easily, Also, if i want to record gameplay without a Kinect, i have to constantly have the Game DVR snapped while i run the game if i want to capture anything. Why can't it just be like the PS4, where it constantly records your gameplay silently in the background, then if you want to save any of it to your HDD, you just press the share button? I would love it if it was the same on X1... snap DVR, choose how long i want to record from, then just unsnap the DVR and it carries on running in the background. Maybe (hopefully) that will be the case in a future update as i would love to make a new YouTube account and start getting my clips on there. Every time i do something awesome on Titanfall i think to myself "damn, i can't record that", MS need to realise that not everyone has an interest in Kinect. I'm happy for anyone that is loving controlling their X1 with their voice, but not everyone does, and we shouldn't be cut out of certain features because we choose not to use it. What is the harm in giving consumers choice?
"Also, if i want to record gameplay without a Kinect, i have to constantly have the Game DVR snapped while i run the game if i want to capture anything. Why can't it just be like the PS4, where it constantly records your gameplay silently in the background, then if you want to save any of it to your HDD, you just press the share button?" Yeah this is just stupid. This needs to change imo, even though I actually like using the Kinect for this stuff.
Is it that much work to just yell Xbox record that? I don't get why people are so against plugging it in. Even if it's plugged in you DONT have to use it for everything. You already have a x1 so why keep the kinetic unplugged? Are you trying to prove a point that NO ONE will ever see? Trust me no one is going to spy on you if that's what you're thinking. It's your choice if you want to use it or not and that's fair I get that but at the same time if you own a X1 why leave it unplugged haha. You hinder yourself more then anything else.
@Vallner you're naive the NSA was using the first kinects to collect data and it is, has and will be using the damn kinects 2.0 with the xbone.
@ vallencer I get what you're saying man, but it's simple, i don't want Kinect plugged in. I'm not afraid of being spied on, i don't hate voice commands, i don't hate Kinect in general, im not opposed to change.....i simply do not care for it. I just want to do what i have done since i was 6 years old....use a controller. Why should people's experience of the X1 be hindered if they don't want to use Kinect. I could understand if certain apps couldn't be controller, or couldn't be controller *as easily* with a controller as they could with Kinect...but those 2 things i just mentioned above could easily be done by a controller, there is just no reason to restrict non-Kinect users from those things. I also don't agree with the "you have an X1, which means you have Kinect, just plug it in!" mentality. I'm a gamer, i really couldn't care less about anything but playing games on either of my consoles. I would much rather sell the Kinect online and make an easy £60+ to spend on other games. But hey, that's just my personal preference, as i said above, if you are loving your Kinect then im happy for you!:) @Septic Yeah ive noticed you love using Kinect to record clips of TF, some of those clips are awesome btw ;)
@Lukas_Japonicus: Well said, sir. There's no reason to exclude a manual functionality for recording except to incentiveize using Kinect. It doesn't add any utility.
@lukas That's fair. I understand what you mean. @ittrouy I guess I just don't care if the nsa spies on me. I've got nothing to hide. And I've heard all the arguments before so if you'd like to debate it's cool but in reality I just don't care.
My brother has an Xbox one first day he had kinect plugged in to set it up, day 2 he unplugged it an hasn't touched it in 5 months it's a total joke an if they had taken it out in the first place it would have been same price as ps4 an could compete a little better with it but it just shows where the smart people are working at
The reason its in there to stay is because they don't want a developer who makes a Kinect game to have a limited install base within the xb1 install base. not hard to figure out
I understand that, but if the xb1 continues to lag behind the ps4 in sales the way it has been then they will need to reevaluate whether it's worthwhile to continue forcing people to accept kinect as part of the bundle. Dropping kinect from the bundle doesn't mean kinect is dead. They just have to give people a compelling reason to want to own kinect.
So where are they??? When the original Kinects came out, Microsoft pretty much switched focus to everything Kinects, even though it released 5 years into the Xbox 360 life, but now it's included, its barely made a blip on the radar. Sure I'm about to get disagrees out the anus, but Kinects purpose is not about gaming at all! It's a distraction.
@stuna we are 4 months into the console lifecycle. Still plenty of games to be announced
I agree with Molyneux. Kinect feels more and more like a expensive worthless accessory... and the reviews of it's latest game proves Molyneux right, Kinect Sports Rivals. There aren't games that prove that Kinect is essential for the X1. Smartest thing Microsoft could do is release a cheaper Kinect-less SKU of X1.
And the sooner, the better. I'm holding off on purchasing one until they do so... or if the new Halo is really amazing.
Damn Moly! Like that? LOL
I love Kinect for the OS. It was cool for Dead Rising 3, but I control everything in my living room with it so it's nice to be able to voice around the system, especially if I come home from work I walk through the door and say "Xbox On" and my tv, sound bar, and X1 are on by the time I get to my office. When I am around my home, ie, in the kitchen I can say "xbox go to netflix" and wah-la, I am in netflix in the other room. It makes things so much better. I had my TV remote, sound bar remote, and then the controller all needed prior to X1 to get to netflix. Now, I am there in seconds with my voice while I am getting home from work. I really think Kinect is going to lead to Cortana upgrade that MS OS devices are getting. That would be insane if that occurred. I might get Kinect Sports Rivals when it's onsale in the marketplace for my girl and I to play, but kinect to me is more of a feature I was pleasantly surprised with after dealing with the awful Kinect 1.0 and now can't picture my living room without voice command.
And yet you didn't need a expensive device like Kinect for that... a simple cheap microfone would do all that.
The Kinect is $100 and I think the entire console was worth the price tag. I don't want a "cheap microphone", I like the Kinect and how it is incorporated with the console/os. I doubt a cheap microphone will be able to sign me in by me just walking by the TV. I get it if you don't like Kinect, that's fine, but actually try it before judging it. Comments like "a cheap microphone would do all of that" just leads everyone to believe you never used it before. I hated the first kinect, absolute garbage. I was hesitant about the new kinect but after really seeing it in action at my brothers house, I was convinced. Is it 100% flawless? Nope, but it sure is very nice and a great addition. It makes the console FEEL next gen., to be able to run the entire thing, control my living room with a few simple commands. It's not a knock on the PS4 as I think that's a great system, but I solely love kinect for everything it does outside of actual gaming. I truly love having something rare happen in Titanfall and be able to say "xbox record that" and show it to my friends instantaneous. It is a nice thing to have.
JeffGUNZ: I had my TV remote, sound bar remote, and then the controller all needed prior to X1 to get to netflix. Now, I am there in seconds with my voice Jesus ALL NEEDED!!! you make it sound like a huge problem even with those 3 controls I'm there in seconds too The funny thing is you forgot to mention that to access Netflix on xone you NEED to be signed up to live, on the PS4 Netflix isn't hidden behind a paywall.
@ Amiga-man Why are you so mad at my opinion? I never said using three controllers was the end all of end all here. I simply said Kinect is a great addition for convenience. When I get home from work, I put my bag away, change and start dinner, so it's nice to be able to walk in the front door with my bags and my lunch container in hand and just say xbox on as I walk through the living room. I can give it voice commands while im in another room, that's all I am saying. Why do people get so upset if someone enjoys their xbox one? It's nice for the little things. Like my phone ringing and I can just say "xbox mute" or "xbox pause" instead of looking for the remote. I never said it was essential, but simply a great addition that I am personally having a blast with. Also, what does Netflix subscription and gold have to do with this topic? I have a mac book, Windows Surface tablet pro (provided by work), 2 Samsung 1080P LED 240hz smart TV's in my apartment, a PS3, and an apple tv, (also my iphone) that can stream Netflix for free, so your point is irrelevant. I buy gold to game online and since Netflix is incorporated as an app, why would I switch to my ps3 or smart tv to run it when I can just say "xbox go to Netflix" on the X1. Stop making it sound like people who have Xbox's are buying them as streaming devices for netlix.
Not mad JeffGUNZ I just find it amazing people will bring up having to use controllers as some sort of huge problem there may be a little more convenience but in all honesty pressing a button on the remote is convenience enough and hardly warrants the price of Kinect. As for Netflix I bought it up as you mentioned it and as you point out it is very easy to access on all sorts of devices which is how it should be, the fact M$ hide it behind a paywall is not needed whether your already paying for live isn't the point. I'm happy your enjoying your Kinect but honestly most people will get on watching Netflix etc just fine without it.
I have to agree with him. Kinect and Move never did much of anything.
No doubt. It sold well for MS on Xbox 360, but fool me once...
That is exactly why so many are disenchanted with Kinects! Although some will argue that they were satisfied with the performance of the original Kinects, how many could say that it performed on the level that Microsoft said it would!? Which is in truth why so many now refuse to buy into the hype of the new and improved Kinects 2.0. To make matters worse, selling the Xbox1 with it bundled in is akin to forcing people to deal with that disenchantment whether they like it or not in order to enjoy the console itself . We have at some point experienced this concept to a degree when we were younger, and our parents forced us to eat our vegetables. If anyone was like me, I waited until their backs were turned, and I flushed them.
Lol, you liked Kinect here http://www.youtube.com/watc... when you was being PAID to like it I wish this fool would do a Phil Fish, or shut up and make games, perhaps finish Godus
took the words right out of my mouth haha.
Exactly. I wish he would just STFU. If he would of finished Milo and Kate he would be singing praises instead of hate. Really hate this cocky ass has been.
Wasnt this guy the same guy that spoke on behalf of MS's kinect when they announced milo and what not?
And thats where Microsofts money comes in.
He would have done the same thing if it was any other company too. What's he going to do? Speak badly about it while he WORKS for microsoft? It doesn't have anything to do with Microsofts money. He worked for them and if it was Sony he would have said the same thing. Or apple or Facebook etc etc.
@vallencer Exactly, money.
Yeah it was him. If I remember well he was saying it was the future and all that. I already knew it was a joke then and there. Pretty sure I'm not the only one.
True that, I wonder when will MS acknowledge that. Atleast Sony acknowledged it and never did a "move 2" thing
They don't need to because the move accessories (minus the camera) will continue to work on the ps4 once there are games that use it. I've only heard of one such game so far but there are probably others, I expect many more to launch with Morpheus.
I will never buy any Xbox product into Kinect is optional. Even if I need to wait 50 years. PS4 will keep me busy enough. No big deal
well, I'm pretty sure... "Xbox... make my games good" isn't a command that is recognised. Try using actual commands and not saying "random things" to it might help. Also wasn't it you who wanted to make the atrocity that was milo? AS mentioned by Hellsvacancy, you were the posterchild for Kinect at one point. I see your true colours now, Mr Molyneux.
Coming from the guy who left lionhead to make what's inside the cube/box... Peter is incredibly fickle you really can't believe anything he says.
Shut hell up Molyneux dam douche keep dreaming kinect 2.0 works without any issues
Well we can agree to disagree. For those who are saying its a mistake to include it, we can disagree. Its included because it will be in every household that buys an xbox one therefore making sure its not an optional accessory that history has shown us the add-ons like this dont sell well. A good example would be Sony's VR headset. You now need to purchase 2 move controllers and the Eye to use it....so you are all going to pay over $400 for an accessory to the PS4 should you choose to buy it. Kinect is included and it only brings the system up $100. But now with the price cuts that has been reduced to just $50-$75 most places here.
"You now need to purchase 2 move controllers and the Eye to use it." What ? no one ever said that . Move is optional depending on the game , it works with the DS4 and requires the camera . Straigth from official sources like Yoshida
I am just saying..every video or pic I have seen with morpheus being demoed they have move controllers and the camera to track you. https://www.google.com/sear...
because it's a prototype ... the thing is hardly retail ready yet http://blog.us.playstation.... just look up for intel and yoshida own's words anyway . And seems very obvious and common logic to me . VR is already a though sell whoever does it . How the hell one would expect to sell it with three to 4 required accessories ?
He's just mad that there is no Milo for him to play with.
Sales would skyrocket with an xbox one w/o kinect for 399.
They won't get rid of it. Who cares if the games are crap. That's only one use. It is great for voice control, Skype, Twitch, auto sign in, and leaning and looking around in BF4. Its adds a lot without the full motion control games so that's why they'll never get rid of it. Also Sony was so going to bundle camera but didn't because of moaning about kinect and so they could undercut Microsoft. Guess what the best selling peripheral now is for ps4. Its selling so much that its impossible to find one. Also everyone raves about VR but you'll need the camera for it to work. At least the X1 will only need the headset if they decide to go VR route. With the current price drops and free game the Xbox is a better deal than ps4 at the moment.
"Xbox is a better deal than ps4 at the moment" yep that's why XB1 is selling less
Hmm in US its only about 200k behind. Not comparing 49 Markets to 13. Wait till end of year when Xbox is in more markets then we can see a real comparison of sales.
Stop with this "more markets" crap. In EVERY market that both are being sold in, the XB1 is losing. EVERY SINGLE ONE. What's releasing in a bunch of small markets that have little demand for Xbox gonna do for that?
I didn't say it wasn't being out sold. But comparing 7 million to 4 million when only in 13 markets is not right. But hey I don't expect anyone on this site to agree.
PhilJowns those 13 markets are the biggest markets for xone the markets M$ are yet to release in will not help M$ make up such a huge difference in sales.
Milo, remember that Peter?
remember all that hype about that game? how it was going to change things cause of kinect..this all coming from his mouth??? yea.. what made him realize that kinect is garbage for gaming???
The irony. Peter, I'm not a fan at all of Kinect, but please, STFU already. Not just about Kinect but in general. You sir are a hypocrite (Hi Milo) and talk entirely too much for how little you contribute to this industry. Get to work on something worthwhile and have it be successful. Than come back and talk some more. Until that day, again, STFU already.
Not sure if there is gonna be Kinect-less edition of X1, or if its really worth having, although the voice commands/recognition really make things simpler. What I do know for sure is that its ironic for him to be calling anything in the gaming industry a joke, when for the past 10 years he has been promising the sky with the stars for his games, and ending up delivering mediocre products, title after title. Clean your act first, then call out on others.
Oh shut up already ... you helped sell the thing with the hopes of the ludicrous Milo and Kate . Your E3 demo , not so much pad free "pictochat" and that Kudo Tsunoda weird buggy demo . How come pretend journalists , and blog interviewers never put him on the spot and point out his quote history ? It's supposed to be interviews , not column where they freely speaks without being asked or rebutted anything
As a Xbox one owner, I think the Kinect do not feel like a joke, is a joke, just my opinion.
And this is why I can't believe people actually think that MS arent constantly paying people off to praise some of their crap. This guy was all about Kinect when that creepy ass staged Milo demo came onto the scene back for the 360. Guess MS ain't handing him anymore checks huh?
Not that I'm disagreeing on the Milo remark, but of course MS are paying people to praise them. Just like Sony are paying Ubisoft to praise the PS4. It's business level back scratching.
Me personally if I could trade in my Kinect I would. Besides the game record that feature I don't use it at all. Once in a while I might but I can live without it.
I salute u moly... I salute u mate...
You spoke the truth at last.
And hey people, he isn't a hypocrite....He couldn't express his inner feelings initially because you people know very well, he could have been ousted from his job, just like phil ;-)
Yes he is an hypocrite and full of crap . He' made enough money in the biz to leave out on his own and speaks , which he did anyway soon enough .
I know that mate.. ;-)
My statement above is a little sarcastic, if u haven't figured it out yet =)
coolio my bad then
The man is the very definition of a hypocrite. He not only promoted Kinect, but when it launched he was its key spokesmen. Now that he's out from under MS thumb, he's talking crap about it. Outright calling it a joke.
Im sure either at E3 or around the holidays we will see a kinectless xbone at 350$ or 400$. Its the only way they'll get out of 3rd place.
Peter is becoming as bad as that Jonathan Blow... Maybe he should just stop talking and start delivering something worth talking about. Peter has never delivered a game that lived up to his promises. Peter will go down in gaming history as the "Would've, Should've, Could've, Didn't" games studio leader. The dreamer who never really knew how to tie his dreams to reality.
Thats why I keep laughing its not what players really wanted. Its just an xbox 360 thats alittle more robust.