Just Add Water CEO Stewart Gilray clarifies that contrarily to what had been reported, the performance gap between PS4 & X1 isn't disappearing at all.
We all knew this since day one.Both systems will get better as the years progress but one of the consoles will always be ahead of the other due to the hardware.
Yup, how people are even debating this after all these months is beyond me. There is a HARDware difference. That can't be changed. Both consoles will receive SOFTware improvements, but there will *always* be a gap in performance in favour of the PS4. Some people just need to accept that. A lot of people will be eating crow now, it seems. Did certain individuals on this site genuinely believe that the hardware gap could just magically close and that the PS4 would be at a standstill in terms of optimization/devs learning the system? Really?
"The PS4 has MORE COMPUTE units, and faster member and a whole bunch of things, that would make that physically impossible to happen."
I loled heavy and your faster member
I'm so sick of these articles. Yes the ps4 is more powerful. The fanboys have to realize that. Both consoles will have great looking games but expect ps4 third parties to look slightly better. I hope this debate doesn't go on for the entire generation
You guys are missing the point. 1080p 60 fps will be the max this generation, so technically it will be about which developers will make it look the best. Unless you guys think ps4 will go being 1080p 60 fps, graphics and performance disparities will dissipate. I repeat again ps4 is more powerful, but both systems will be pushing 1080p 60fps. Also MSFT must have faith in DX12 because they spent all that money on R&D and went with a different structure than ps4. Again ps4 is more powerful, but we have no idea how games for both consoles will look, there is a lot of IF's and UNKNOWNS.
"Yup, how people are even debating this after all these months is beyond me." You haven't heard about the 'conspiracy'? Supposedly everything bad that happens or is stated is all done by PS fans and Sony to keep the Xbone down. They have to keep arguing because, otherwise, the 'conspiracy' wins.
Lol, Truefan..... No one is missing the point. The point of this article is to clarify what a previous developer said. No one is talking about 1080p 60fps here apart from you, the article is ta'king about the fact that the performance difference between the 2 consoles will never close. Which people who aren't in denial, have known since day 1. " Again ps4 is more powerful, but we have no idea how games for both consoles will look," I'd say that the past 4 months have been evidence enough of how games will look in the future. As long as the hardware difference remains, which it obviously will, there will always be a disparity. If random people saying this on N4G isn't valid for you, then surely the words of a developer should put this to rest, no?
@truefan1 Halo 4 : 720p30fps TLOU : 720p30fps Guess which looks much... much better than the other...
You and I know this Lukas but some people just find it to bitter of a pill to swallow. Maybe one day they will wake up and smell the coffee and see that no amount of 'secret sauce' is going to change the difference in hardware power.
The gap will neither widen nor lessen due to the hardware designs of both units. Its the perceived gap that will change over time due to the talent of the developers and the software tricks they use. this has been common in EVERY console generation. Compare launch games of a console to those at the mid point and end and there is a noticeable improvement over that duration while the hardware has remained the only constant.
@trufan You are right about 1080p 60FPS for both systems. Maybe not every title but the Xbox One is definitely capable of doing 1080p which Forza, NBA2K, and other titles have shown. Outside of that the performance gap is real like the gap between two cars. A better driver may be able to steer better, but they can't alter the performance of the vehicles themselves.
@truefan1: Seriously fella, don't be this stupid. Resolution and framerate are only gauges to demonstrate and prove the difference in power between the X1 and the PS4, they're not the pinnacle of next gen performance. There's far more to next gen than this ... for goodness sake.
Sorry to say to X1 fans, but it is time to face harsh reality. Stop grasping at desperate straws like some secret sauces like cloud and Dx12. Even MS themselve said that DX12 benefits are towards PC. http://www.gamepur.com/file... Giving "console like API". So PC will benefit, but how will X1 further benefit from something every console and itself already have?
"I hope this debate doesn't go on for the entire generation" Some people need constant reminding. And honestly, certain persons deserve constant reminding. Besides, would you prefer ceaseless doomed articles?
Sad to say this argument will never end. Mainly because we have individuals that won't except the truth. Like last generation many people kept saying the Wii was a fad and it would die down (myself included); 2-3 years later it was still selling like hot cakes. I eventually excepted the reality, but there were some that to this day do not. I will take a wild guess here and state that with every exclusive and determination of visual specs for multiplat games this argument will continue to surface.
xheavyx quoted correct facts from the article and still got disagrees?!?! LMFAO! what is going through their minds right now??
I think I said this right the first time but ill repete it... This generation of fanboys are dumber then the last gens and this delusional thinkin the kids have that the performance gap will disappear or level out just proves my point..
I told you guys you shouldn't listen to Lorne Lanning on technical matters.
The power of denial runs strong with X1 lovers
The sad truth is certain types of people in gaming will just NEVER admit it no matter what. Think about it ~ they are the same ones who still believed all last gen that the X360 is/was more powerful than the PS3 when not a single game EVER has shown it to be that. Facts mean NOTHING to them. It's utterly & completely delusional...that or it's based off immaturity & pure blind ignorance.
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I don't believe none of this crap. In this article, it's got horrible spelling errors. more member? are you drunk?
Are....are YOU drunk? http://img.pandawhale.com/7...
lol! Calls website out on spelling errors after writing, "I don't believe none of this"!! Classic facepalm moment. You ever heard of a double negative? Are we to assume that - like everyone else - you actually do believe all of this?! :^P Looking at the facts (as they've been presented to us for the past year), this seems perfectly credible to me. Spelling errors don't immediately make a person's point incorrect, you know.
GW20WLY said it all! Made my day, lol
Where is the direct quote in this piece? How do we know exactly what was said. Why don't we stick to direct quotes and this is would not be an issue.
@lukas_japonicus how about this one u saying they lying ? http://m.uk.ign.com/article...
What? Seriously, what? I didn't say the X1 can't do 1080p, lmao. It clearly can, it has many 1080p games. What i am saying is that the PS4 will always be more powerful than the X1. Fact. Face it. Move on.
@Lukas_Japonicus If by many games you mean 3....There are ONLY 3 1080p games on the Xbox. Forza, NBA and Kinect sports, that is literally it. Meanwhile ALL PS4 games are 900p-1080p
You're stupidly funny lmao
Like this quote from your ign article. "The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine."
Hardware yes ps4 is a bit faster, XB1 software is the advantage and online/cloud. In the future both will do things better than the other which will be great for exclusives.
Did you read that statement before you pressed "Add reply"?
Xgamer how can you talk about software wise when microsoft has yet to show anything at all all you have is a hope and wish from countless xbox sites. Yes they are software giants and most of it is junk but games wise it is different and I for one would rather proof something shown instead of talk. I think that goes for Sony as well. Talking the fans to death accomplishes nothing show something.
A bit faster? I could swear the RAM in PS4 is more than a bit faster. I just love your reply xgamer. That is one way to comment on a subject that hurts so that you can sleep better at night. Kinda make it seem like a draw or even lean a little towards xbone having the edge cause of teh clowdz in the long run....absolutely speechless....You sure have been a blind fanboy as long as I remember ever seeing your comments here.
Oh and btw, except for mgs zeros every other multiplatform title lOOks better on the Xbox One. Yes yes better resolution on PS4 but when compared side by side every XB1 has better lighting and smaller texture detail. You've ALL seen that. Digital Foundry even shows this in comparison videos. Yes the numbers PS4 advantage but visuals XB1 looks better. If your denyin your lyin.
Hmmm...your post reeks of "delusion" and "cognitive dissonance". I think I know what console you prefer to game on. OT: It's kinda sad some people just can't accept reality. The PS4 is technically superior to the xbone, period. And NO amount of clouds or sauces is EVER going to change that fact. And the PS4 is cheaper too.
word of advice, ignorance is NOT always bliss.
you just proved your a true fan boy either that or you must be blind. You made your choice deal with it. Don't cry about some other platform when you should be playing your own now back to gaming for me something you no nothing about.
@xgamer Wow, you actually believe that even though its not even remotely true. Wow!
Mister X, is that you?
Oh and btw I just realized that this subject is particularly touchy for you. What's that? No numbers to throw at Sony folks' faces? Covering behind "imo" and such? Poor guy. You used to be so powerfull last gen when you atleast had the media behind you with their propaganda but now? I feal sorry for you.
lool what ever weed your smoking STOP!!
Actually, since both are such a widely used architecture(specifically off the shelf x86 mobile parts), we're not going to see much of a difference between early games and later games. That said, the games already look amazing.
Not true, they still need to fiure out all the intricacies of GCN and the whole APU architecture. X86 just means it'll be a bit easier for them to do that, and there are literally thousands, upon thousands of x86 extensions for them to play with and figure out
Yes it will be ahead in performance terms. But do you really play pixels, or do you actually play the game? Hmmmm? Obvious answer ;-)
Sony is always ahead with games too so it's a double win for ps4 owners I guess.
Funny how I'm reading this just after Microsoft demoed the power of the cloud at BUILD. It is very real. It was a demo that involved blowing up buildings. The game ran at 30fps when nothing was happening. One version of the game ran without cloud computing and one with. The one without cloud computing quickly dropped to 2 fps when the building started to blow up and the one with cloud computing kept extremely steady at 30fps with multiple buildings blowing up. Cloud computing is the future of gaming believe it or not. the demo will be uploaded to YouTube today.
Sure it is and I;m going apple picking with Scooby doo.*Rolls eyes*. http://i.imgur.com/NHjNH9l....
I don't think you people will ever understand. Of course cloud computing will work excellently in console gaming IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. When you have a high bandwidth, dedicated connection to servers of course you can see the benefits, no one ever argued that cloud compute can't work. The issue is applying cloud compute to games TODAY with the internet being what it is around the world. No matter how good it works logically and how much you want to hype it it would not change the fact that implementing cloud compute now in games would be a terrible idea.
"Funny how I'm reading this just after Microsoft demoed the power of the cloud at BUILD." How anyone could get excited about that demo, with as few details as were given, is truly beyond me. Sorry man, but XB1 won't be doing that kind of thing for years, if at all. Cloud gaming probably is the future, but this is the present and current internet speeds just won't allow that to happen. I guess consoles really are becoming more like PCs because you're thinking like a PC gamer, wanting devs to cater to a tiny part of the gaming population.
Exactly. People that argue the xbox one will look better over time are 100% correct about half the story. They're neglecting to mention that the ps4 will ALSO look better over time. That's how it's always worked. I don't understand why xbox people can't just accept that fact. Once they do, we'll stop seeing tons of articles about how every 3rd party game looks better on the ps4.
@trufan1 As I chuck a donut at the point on your head. ES.
The problem with your understanding is you base power around hardware. Like an Engine with more Horse Power. Yes on paper the engine with more HP is going to be faster. However in this case where X1 has weaker Hardware there GPU has more benefits then the Sony's GPU. With the addition of DX12/DX3D12 exclusive to MS and Azure Cloud hanging around the corner. X1 GPU might all of a sudden have a super charger. You can talk litres and Horsepower all you want, at the end of the day your comparing paper specs which means nothing in a race. Bigger is not better.
a super charge lol smh, your hopes in dreams will never come true because facts can't be bent or erased, accept it and move on.
You missed the fact that DX12 techniques are old and are just catching up to what Naughty Dog has been doing a long time ago.
@SciOn and ThanatosDMC. Figure of speech. But that's ok no one is asking you to buy a X1 or care about the console if you don't plan on buying one. DX12 is an improvement and so is cloud and all these comparisons have been without any of the X1s proper features (DX12/Azure) including the 10% power to Kinect which they finally gave back 8% to the developers. Your choice. However if you want to believe what GPUs do on paper and limit your imagination there then go for it. DX12 will be better then what ever ND used before it. There a Sony company of course there going to be negative against it, because they cant use it, there stuck with DX11 and OpenGl 4.4.
The new consoles are based on PC architecture, with 10+ years of coding knowledge available to get the best out of the hardware right NOW. I fail to see how the PS4 or Xbox One can get "better over time" when it's easier to develop for than the PS3 was, which DID require time to learn how to develop for. Now, it's super "easy" for them. Surely the only reason they would get "better" games in time is because they're deliberately hindering graphics and performance, so their sequels can "look better and be bigger". Nobody wants a sequel that looks the same as the previous game.
Indeed, you can have all the cloud technology in the world, there's no surpassing complete hardware advantage.
Oddworld Devs have always been biased in favor with Sony. It's also only six months in and MS is a software company. DX12 will advance the Xbox within the next two years allot.
"Actually that is NOT what he said. I spoke to Lorne afterwards and what he meant when speaking to that guy was that budgets, schedules and perceivable differences would narrow, NOT that the Xbox One performance is improving to align with PS4, that is just physically impossible. The PS4 has MORE COMPUTE units, and faster member and a whole bunch of things, that would make that physically impossible to happen." Looks like the author of that piece was just trying to connect unneeded dots or was trying to past off misinformation. Also to the author of this memory is spelt *member* :p.
Haha, i noticed that too. I did a double take, i was like "he has a faster member? Lmao good for him!".
Good for him, bad for her.
Reminds me of the family guy episode where Superman goes to hell because he killed a hooker after she made a crack about him being faster than a speeding bullet.
So why the change of heart!? Clarification wasn't needed for one side of the fence! The other side....well that's a different story! You can't fit 100 pounds into a sack that's designed to hold 50 pounds.
"You can't fit 100 pounds into a sack that's designed to hold 50 pounds." True, but you can tell people you can and there will be a big group of people that believe it even though it's total BS.
There was a Mythbusters episode about that recently. http://www.discovery.com/tv... And it is indeed true, 10 pounds of #### does not fit in a 5 pound bag. (But its close)
I mean its not a change of heart. If you read the original TotalXbox article, they put some words in his mouth. We he did say is that the SDK has improved and not the development gap is closing. He also afirmed that he wasn't sure about a bigger title like Battlefield but for a smaller title like his, he didn't really have any issues with the hardware.