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Performance Gap Between PS4 & X1 Not Disappearing At All, Clarifies Oddworld Team

Just Add Water CEO Stewart Gilray clarifies that contrarily to what had been reported, the performance gap between PS4 & X1 isn't disappearing at all. (Just Add Water, PS4, Stewart Gilray, Xbox One)

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Majin-vegeta  +   679d ago | Well said
We all knew this since day one.Both systems will get better as the years progress but one of the consoles will always be ahead of the other due to the hardware.
GarrusVakarian  +   679d ago | Well said
Yup, how people are even debating this after all these months is beyond me. There is a HARDware difference. That can't be changed. Both consoles will receive SOFTware improvements, but there will *always* be a gap in performance in favour of the PS4. Some people just need to accept that.

A lot of people will be eating crow now, it seems. Did certain individuals on this site genuinely believe that the hardware gap could just magically close and that the PS4 would be at a standstill in terms of optimization/devs learning the system? Really?
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xHeavYx  +   679d ago | Well said
"The PS4 has MORE COMPUTE units, and faster member and a whole bunch of things, that would make that physically impossible to happen."
forcefullpower  +   679d ago | Funny
I loled heavy and your faster member
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Ausbo  +   679d ago
I'm so sick of these articles. Yes the ps4 is more powerful. The fanboys have to realize that. Both consoles will have great looking games but expect ps4 third parties to look slightly better.

I hope this debate doesn't go on for the entire generation
truefan1  +   679d ago
You guys are missing the point. 1080p 60 fps will be the max this generation, so technically it will be about which developers will make it look the best. Unless you guys think ps4 will go being 1080p 60 fps, graphics and performance disparities will dissipate.

I repeat again ps4 is more powerful, but both systems will be pushing 1080p 60fps. Also MSFT must have faith in DX12 because they spent all that money on R&D and went with a different structure than ps4. Again ps4 is more powerful, but we have no idea how games for both consoles will look, there is a lot of IF's and UNKNOWNS.
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Baccra17  +   679d ago
"Yup, how people are even debating this after all these months is beyond me."

You haven't heard about the 'conspiracy'? Supposedly everything bad that happens or is stated is all done by PS fans and Sony to keep the Xbone down. They have to keep arguing because, otherwise, the 'conspiracy' wins.
GarrusVakarian  +   679d ago | Well said
Lol, Truefan.....

No one is missing the point. The point of this article is to clarify what a previous developer said. No one is talking about 1080p 60fps here apart from you, the article is ta'king about the fact that the performance difference between the 2 consoles will never close. Which people who aren't in denial, have known since day 1.

" Again ps4 is more powerful, but we have no idea how games for both consoles will look,"

I'd say that the past 4 months have been evidence enough of how games will look in the future. As long as the hardware difference remains, which it obviously will, there will always be a disparity. If random people saying this on N4G isn't valid for you, then surely the words of a developer should put this to rest, no?
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monkeyDzoro  +   679d ago | Well said

Halo 4 : 720p30fps
TLOU : 720p30fps

Guess which looks much... much better than the other...
cruzngta  +   679d ago
You and I know this Lukas but some people just find it to bitter of a pill to swallow. Maybe one day they will wake up and smell the coffee and see that no amount of 'secret sauce' is going to change the difference in hardware power.
darthv72  +   679d ago
The gap will neither widen nor lessen due to the hardware designs of both units.

Its the perceived gap that will change over time due to the talent of the developers and the software tricks they use. this has been common in EVERY console generation.

Compare launch games of a console to those at the mid point and end and there is a noticeable improvement over that duration while the hardware has remained the only constant.
Eonjay  +   679d ago

You are right about 1080p 60FPS for both systems. Maybe not every title but the Xbox One is definitely capable of doing 1080p which Forza, NBA2K, and other titles have shown.

Outside of that the performance gap is real like the gap between two cars. A better driver may be able to steer better, but they can't alter the performance of the vehicles themselves.
GribbleGrunger  +   678d ago
@truefan1: Seriously fella, don't be this stupid. Resolution and framerate are only gauges to demonstrate and prove the difference in power between the X1 and the PS4, they're not the pinnacle of next gen performance. There's far more to next gen than this ... for goodness sake.
GameNameFame  +   678d ago
Sorry to say to X1 fans, but it is time to face harsh reality.

Stop grasping at desperate straws like some secret sauces like cloud and Dx12.

Even MS themselve said that DX12 benefits are towards PC.

Giving "console like API". So PC will benefit, but how will X1 further benefit from something every console and itself already have?
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morganfell  +   678d ago
"I hope this debate doesn't go on for the entire generation"

Some people need constant reminding. And honestly, certain persons deserve constant reminding. Besides, would you prefer ceaseless doomed articles?
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Saigon  +   678d ago
Sad to say this argument will never end. Mainly because we have individuals that won't except the truth. Like last generation many people kept saying the Wii was a fad and it would die down (myself included); 2-3 years later it was still selling like hot cakes. I eventually excepted the reality, but there were some that to this day do not.

I will take a wild guess here and state that with every exclusive and determination of visual specs for multiplat games this argument will continue to surface.
Army_of_Darkness  +   678d ago
xheavyx quoted correct facts from the article and still got disagrees?!?! LMFAO! what is going through their minds right now??
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Pain  +   678d ago
I think I said this right the first time but ill repete it... This generation of fanboys are dumber then the last gens and this delusional thinkin the kids have that the performance gap will disappear or level out just proves my point..
thunderbear  +   678d ago
I told you guys you shouldn't listen to Lorne Lanning on technical matters.
quenomamen  +   678d ago
The power of denial runs strong with X1 lovers
Oner  +   678d ago
The sad truth is certain types of people in gaming will just NEVER admit it no matter what.

Think about it ~ they are the same ones who still believed all last gen that the X360 is/was more powerful than the PS3 when not a single game EVER has shown it to be that.

Facts mean NOTHING to them. It's utterly & completely delusional...that or it's based off immaturity & pure blind ignorance.
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lulumink  +   679d ago
I don't believe none of this crap. In this article, it's got horrible spelling errors. more member? are you drunk?
Heisenburger  +   679d ago
Are....are YOU drunk?
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G20WLY  +   678d ago
lol! Calls website out on spelling errors after writing, "I don't believe none of this"!! Classic facepalm moment.

You ever heard of a double negative? Are we to assume that - like everyone else - you actually do believe all of this?! :^P

Looking at the facts (as they've been presented to us for the past year), this seems perfectly credible to me. Spelling errors don't immediately make a person's point incorrect, you know.
mogwaii  +   678d ago
GW20WLY said it all! Made my day, lol
dlocsta  +   678d ago
Where is the direct quote in this piece? How do we know exactly what was said. Why don't we stick to direct quotes and this is would not be an issue.
Thunderhawkxbox  +   678d ago
@lukas_japonicus how about this one u saying they lying ?
GarrusVakarian  +   678d ago
What? Seriously, what?

I didn't say the X1 can't do 1080p, lmao. It clearly can, it has many 1080p games.

What i am saying is that the PS4 will always be more powerful than the X1. Fact. Face it. Move on.
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Deadpoolio  +   678d ago | Well said
@Lukas_Japonicus If by many games you mean 3....There are ONLY 3 1080p games on the Xbox. Forza, NBA and Kinect sports, that is literally it. Meanwhile ALL PS4 games are 900p-1080p
ABeastNamedTariq  +   678d ago
You're stupidly funny lmao
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   678d ago
Like this quote from your ign article. "The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine."
TheXgamerLive  +   678d ago
Hardware yes ps4 is a bit faster, XB1 software is the advantage and online/cloud. In the future both will do things better than the other which will be great for exclusives.
johndoe11211  +   678d ago
Did you read that statement before you pressed "Add reply"?
shadowsmoke36  +   678d ago
Xgamer how can you talk about software wise when microsoft has yet to show anything at all all you have is a hope and wish from countless xbox sites. Yes they are software giants and most of it is junk but games wise it is different and I for one would rather proof something shown instead of talk. I think that goes for Sony as well. Talking the fans to death accomplishes nothing show something.
insomnium2  +   678d ago
A bit faster? I could swear the RAM in PS4 is more than a bit faster.

I just love your reply xgamer. That is one way to comment on a subject that hurts so that you can sleep better at night. Kinda make it seem like a draw or even lean a little towards xbone having the edge cause of teh clowdz in the long run....absolutely speechless....You sure have been a blind fanboy as long as I remember ever seeing your comments here.
Sarcasm  +   678d ago
TheXgamerLive  +   678d ago
Oh and btw, except for mgs zeros every other multiplatform title lOOks better on the Xbox One. Yes yes better resolution on PS4 but when compared side by side every XB1 has better lighting and smaller texture detail. You've ALL seen that. Digital Foundry even shows this in comparison videos. Yes the numbers PS4 advantage but visuals XB1 looks better. If your denyin your lyin.
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Major_Glitch  +   678d ago
Hmmm...your post reeks of "delusion" and "cognitive dissonance". I think I know what console you prefer to game on.
OT: It's kinda sad some people just can't accept reality. The PS4 is technically superior to the xbone, period. And NO amount of clouds or sauces is EVER going to change that fact. And the PS4 is cheaper too.
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johndoe11211  +   678d ago
word of advice, ignorance is NOT always bliss.
shadowsmoke36  +   678d ago
you just proved your a true fan boy either that or you must be blind. You made your choice deal with it. Don't cry about some other platform when you should be playing your own now back to gaming for me something you no nothing about.
dantesparda  +   678d ago

Wow, you actually believe that even though its not even remotely true. Wow!
Narutone66  +   678d ago
Mister X, is that you?
insomnium2  +   678d ago
Oh and btw I just realized that this subject is particularly touchy for you. What's that? No numbers to throw at Sony folks' faces? Covering behind "imo" and such? Poor guy. You used to be so powerfull last gen when you atleast had the media behind you with their propaganda but now? I feal sorry for you.
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press-start  +   678d ago
lool what ever weed your smoking STOP!!
stragomccloud  +   678d ago
Actually, since both are such a widely used architecture(specifically off the shelf x86 mobile parts), we're not going to see much of a difference between early games and later games. That said, the games already look amazing.
dantesparda  +   678d ago
Not true, they still need to fiure out all the intricacies of GCN and the whole APU architecture. X86 just means it'll be a bit easier for them to do that, and there are literally thousands, upon thousands of x86 extensions for them to play with and figure out
lfc_4eva  +   678d ago
Yes it will be ahead in performance terms. But do you really play pixels, or do you actually play the game?

Hmmmm? Obvious answer ;-)
Flutterby  +   678d ago
Sony is always ahead with games too so it's a double win for ps4 owners I guess.
Mystogan  +   678d ago
Funny how I'm reading this just after Microsoft demoed the power of the cloud at BUILD.

It is very real. It was a demo that involved blowing up buildings. The game ran at 30fps when nothing was happening. One version of the game ran without cloud computing and one with. The one without cloud computing quickly dropped to 2 fps when the building started to blow up and the one with cloud computing kept extremely steady at 30fps with multiple buildings blowing up.

Cloud computing is the future of gaming believe it or not.

the demo will be uploaded to YouTube today.
Majin-vegeta  +   678d ago
Sure it is and I;m going apple picking with Scooby doo.*Rolls eyes*.
johndoe11211  +   678d ago
I don't think you people will ever understand. Of course cloud computing will work excellently in console gaming IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. When you have a high bandwidth, dedicated connection to servers of course you can see the benefits, no one ever argued that cloud compute can't work. The issue is applying cloud compute to games TODAY with the internet being what it is around the world. No matter how good it works logically and how much you want to hype it it would not change the fact that implementing cloud compute now in games would be a terrible idea.
MysticStrummer  +   678d ago
"Funny how I'm reading this just after Microsoft demoed the power of the cloud at BUILD."

How anyone could get excited about that demo, with as few details as were given, is truly beyond me. Sorry man, but XB1 won't be doing that kind of thing for years, if at all. Cloud gaming probably is the future, but this is the present and current internet speeds just won't allow that to happen. I guess consoles really are becoming more like PCs because you're thinking like a PC gamer, wanting devs to cater to a tiny part of the gaming population.
assdan  +   678d ago
Exactly. People that argue the xbox one will look better over time are 100% correct about half the story. They're neglecting to mention that the ps4 will ALSO look better over time. That's how it's always worked. I don't understand why xbox people can't just accept that fact. Once they do, we'll stop seeing tons of articles about how every 3rd party game looks better on the ps4.
Eddie20101  +   678d ago

As I chuck a donut at the point on your head. ES.
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Azzanation  +   678d ago
The problem with your understanding is you base power around hardware. Like an Engine with more Horse Power. Yes on paper the engine with more HP is going to be faster. However in this case where X1 has weaker Hardware there GPU has more benefits then the Sony's GPU. With the addition of DX12/DX3D12 exclusive to MS and Azure Cloud hanging around the corner. X1 GPU might all of a sudden have a super charger. You can talk litres and Horsepower all you want, at the end of the day your comparing paper specs which means nothing in a race.

Bigger is not better.
Sci0n  +   678d ago
a super charge lol smh, your hopes in dreams will never come true because facts can't be bent or erased, accept it and move on.
ThanatosDMC  +   678d ago
You missed the fact that DX12 techniques are old and are just catching up to what Naughty Dog has been doing a long time ago.
Azzanation  +   678d ago
@SciOn and ThanatosDMC. Figure of speech. But that's ok no one is asking you to buy a X1 or care about the console if you don't plan on buying one. DX12 is an improvement and so is cloud and all these comparisons have been without any of the X1s proper features (DX12/Azure) including the 10% power to Kinect which they finally gave back 8% to the developers. Your choice. However if you want to believe what GPUs do on paper and limit your imagination there then go for it. DX12 will be better then what ever ND used before it. There a Sony company of course there going to be negative against it, because they cant use it, there stuck with DX11 and OpenGl 4.4.
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Dynasty2021  +   678d ago
The new consoles are based on PC architecture, with 10+ years of coding knowledge available to get the best out of the hardware right NOW.

I fail to see how the PS4 or Xbox One can get "better over time" when it's easier to develop for than the PS3 was, which DID require time to learn how to develop for.

Now, it's super "easy" for them.

Surely the only reason they would get "better" games in time is because they're deliberately hindering graphics and performance, so their sequels can "look better and be bigger".

Nobody wants a sequel that looks the same as the previous game.
MrDreadnought  +   678d ago
Indeed, you can have all the cloud technology in the world, there's no surpassing complete hardware advantage.
Docknoss  +   678d ago
Oddworld Devs have always been biased in favor with Sony. It's also only six months in and MS is a software company. DX12 will advance the Xbox within the next two years allot.
Kayant  +   679d ago
"Actually that is NOT what he said. I spoke to Lorne afterwards and what he meant when speaking to that guy was that budgets, schedules and perceivable differences would narrow, NOT that the Xbox One performance is improving to align with PS4, that is just physically impossible. The PS4 has MORE COMPUTE units, and faster member and a whole bunch of things, that would make that physically impossible to happen."

Looks like the author of that piece was just trying to connect unneeded dots or was trying to past off misinformation.

Also to the author of this memory is spelt *member* :p.
GarrusVakarian  +   679d ago
Haha, i noticed that too. I did a double take, i was like "he has a faster member? Lmao good for him!".
kayoss  +   679d ago
Good for him, bad for her.
rdgneoz3  +   679d ago
Reminds me of the family guy episode where Superman goes to hell because he killed a hooker after she made a crack about him being faster than a speeding bullet.
stuna1  +   679d ago
So why the change of heart!? Clarification wasn't needed for one side of the fence! The other side....well that's a different story!

You can't fit 100 pounds into a sack that's designed to hold 50 pounds.
Ron_Danger  +   679d ago
"You can't fit 100 pounds into a sack that's designed to hold 50 pounds."

True, but you can tell people you can and there will be a big group of people that believe it even though it's total BS.
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The Meerkat  +   679d ago
There was a Mythbusters episode about that recently.

And it is indeed true, 10 pounds of #### does not fit in a 5 pound bag.
(But its close)
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Eonjay  +   679d ago
I mean its not a change of heart. If you read the original TotalXbox article, they put some words in his mouth. We he did say is that the SDK has improved and not the development gap is closing. He also afirmed that he wasn't sure about a bigger title like Battlefield but for a smaller title like his, he didn't really have any issues with the hardware.
stuna1  +   679d ago
Obvious there was a change of heart, because if not why not clarify it when it was said!? Instead close to a week has past since the initial statement and here on N4G the mis-information was allowed to flourish with people making outlandish statements and believing the unbelievable!
Eonjay  +   679d ago

Because sometimes I think these guys get tired of having to clarify their points to deal with the agenda of these hit seeking publications. Case and point: IGN recently interviewed developer working on that space horror game coming to PC. Its is possibly being planned for PS4 but didn't mention the Xbox One.

Somehow IGN insinuated that it was a performance issue. After reaching out to the developer they explained that IGN had mislead people because they didn't tell anyone what questions were asked. IGN never asked them about Xbox One. Its a setup.
dlocsta  +   678d ago
What change of heart would you be talking about. All this articles says is he talked to the guy and then he proceeds to tell us what the guy meant. He never quoted what the guy SAID. For all that I could say you were misunderstood and you meant the XB1 is actually more powerful. I didn't get a quote either. See how that works?
Simco876  +   678d ago
I've seen some yoga pants on some females that beg to differ with that statement lol.
GoPanthers999  +   679d ago
The exclusive software is the key differentiator. I own an X1, knowing the PS4 is more powerful. X1 is the Halo console and that is my favorite series, nuf said.
combatcash  +   679d ago
I think the deciding factor will be price and performance of third party games for most people. I purchased a PS4 based on the lower price and knowing that 3rd party games would generally be equal or of better performance than xbox one. Exclusives are great don't get me wrong but we all know that AAA third party games are what people typically spend the most money on. On ps4 you get to experience those games while spending less on the console easy choice.
bumnut  +   678d ago
The price difference is quite small now though, in the UK at least, can't really comment on other countries.
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ddkshah  +   679d ago
Destiny will replace halo, so while the xb community will split bwtn the 2 the ps community gets destiny plus a whole bunch of exclusives that actually differ from the rest of the 3rd party offerings.
Hercules189  +   678d ago
Well the XB1 gets destiny, plus a bunch of different varieties also. We got Halo, Sunset Overdrive, QB, D4 and probably Forza Horizon 2, plus a ton of other game coming THIS year. It doesn't get much varied than that.
giovonni  +   679d ago
I don't know why people are disagreeing, "The exclusive software is the key differentiator" was one of the top arguments of going with a certain system before, and with past history more powerful didn't equal the best bang… Let's examine shall we?

Nintendo Ent System. vs Sega Genesis and NEOGEO= Nintendo had the majority of the software, but Neogeo (Price point stopped it) and Genesis was the more powerful system but the NES was the killer. it wasn't until Sonic was introduced Sega hit it's stride.

XBOX, PS2, GAME CUBE… Do I really have to go into detail?

It's always been the system who offered the better exclusive content. Yes price points and power does matter at certain points, but those gaps are shorten as time progresses (NES/SEGA) (PS2/XBOX)
It has always been the exclusive content. case in point If Sony lost all it's exclusives to xbox One (yes all of them) and Xboxone was still 100 dollars more you mean to tell me people would still side with the ps4, and switch their stance by saying " it has the better performing muti platform games?" No!!!
ThePope  +   678d ago
Your 100% right. Alas on N4G that matters not.

I love this conversation, because the only people still having it are the ones on these threads. If it was such a huge deal the X1 wouldn't sell at all, and the PS4 would be the only console available.

But that's not the case so who cares what the developer of Oddworld has to say. Well I suppose outside of the PS fanboys of course, who get off on this s***.

Content always wins. Period. Who will when that battle is anyones guess.
Flutterby  +   678d ago
Well Pope the answer to your question about content and who will win us pretty easy to predict because it has been Sony every gen ps1 won Ps2 won ps3 won so I'm guessing ps4 will win and I guess by the sales gap most gamers know this.
BlackTar187  +   679d ago
Go Panthers,

that is 100% fair and reasonable to pick a console.

I think if we were picking the most reasonable reason why this should be #1.

Pick your console based on the exclusives you enjoy the most and get along in life.

I own both consoles and i'll never regret it.
I'll get a wii-u for Luigi stuff sometime soon.

EDIT** Don't know why you're getting all the disagrees.

Sometimes i wish a disagree required a short 7 word explanation.
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christian hour  +   678d ago
N4G is a fickle mistress like that.

Theres the one sided console fanboys who will hate the competition regardless. They throw around terms like xbots and whatever sony fans are called.

Then theres single console owners who chose their console because of an exclusive franchise they're a major fan of (halo, uncharted, Gran Turismo, Forza, take yr pick), they'll either hate the competition the way a a sports fan would hate a neighbouring team, or they'll admire the games on a foreign platform and maybe borrow a friends for a while to play the games being missed out on

Then theres the multi console owner who may plan to own all consoles (and perhaps a beast gaming rig?) at some point, or may be fortunate enough to have already done so, because their favourite franchises are spread out among several platforms. I call these folks True Gamers (A true gamer trumps all, including PC MUSTARD RACE.)

Theres a couple of other sub groups etc but basically... If you're a true gamer, or someone who follows their favourite franchises regardless of system specs, on n4g you will bring upon the wrath of both sides of the fanboy war for being honest and not giving in to the hype, bringing you a butt load of disagrees.

Being on the fence around here is VERY dangerous, i've been called both a sony fan boy and a xbot... Until today I had zero consoles... so... That can be confusing :) I did have a ps3/360 for the majority of the last generation but regrettably had to sell them to pay hospital bills not too long ago

I just picked up my ps4 today :) No more going over to friends and comandeering their consoles for me :D

And, i would avoid saying this normally to not risk getting disagrees or losing bubbles, and as much as I disagree with MSFT's behaviour the last year or so towards gamers and loyal consumers, I will have to pick up an xbox one at some point in the future (year or two down the line maybe?).

I didnt play all those Halo games just to not find out where the chief ends up next, and I wont let MSFTs crappy policies ruin that on me :)

Also BlackTar187 I totally agree with agrees/disagrees requiring an explanation, something similar to the bubbles maybe :)
BlackTar187  +   678d ago

Thanks for the response sometimes it's mind boggling. What's their to disagree with about someone picking a console soley based on the games they want to play? It's absurd to think you would pick up a system for any other reason tbh.

Again thanks for the response and i hope whatever hospital bills you had to pay got paid and you and your Friends and family are healthy.
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christian hour  +   677d ago
Haha thanks for voicing your concern, full bill of health on my end as of 2 years ago :) Just took a long time to pay back the Dr's :P
AceofStaves  +   679d ago
I agree with you. The exclusive software is the foundation for my console purchase decisions. Since I prefer PS exclusives, that's why I buy PS consoles. It has nothing to do with Xbox being 'worse' than PS. It just doesn't offer me the exclusive games I want to play, so I can't justify buying one.
skeeter2275  +   679d ago
If anything I would have expected a performance gap to form later on in this console generation. Not right out of the gate. That doesn't seem to be something you can just 'catch up' with.
ShowGun901  +   679d ago
if there were no gap now, there might be a small gap later... but the fact that theres a large gap now, means there will only be a much larger gap later... sure the x1 can push 1080/60, but the quality wont be there... i forsee the devs making the graphics similar all this gen, and keeping the x1 @ 720/30... its the easiest, least time consuming way to close the gap. no actual differenc in programming, just a different display setting.
ThePope  +   678d ago
I would love to know, what you deem as "so large"?

I ask because while MGS looked better on PS4 only the hardcore can tell. Yes if you do a screen grab, blow it up to a huge size and alternate it quick enough between the two systems, yes you will see the difference. That does not indicate a large gap.

I beat MGS GZ on X1 on what's considered one of the best TV's ever made (Panny GT60) and it looked incredible, played amazing, and the experience could not have been improved in the SLIGHTEST by SLIGHTLY crisper graphics.
chrissx  +   679d ago
Any1 who still doubts this today needs help
candy_mafia  +   679d ago
Regardless of what some developers have stated, we all knew out the gate PS4 was ahead technically....

However, let's hope 'both' consoles are developed for to the highest standard, and the developers play to the strengths of each format.

'Quality Games' should be all that matters going forward :)


Wait! I'm getting disagree's for championing quality games on both formats???

Makes me LMAO!
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incendy35  +   679d ago
Isn't X1 already more powerful now? They have the only exclusive AAA game that runs at 1080p and 60fps. They also do true multitasking while pulling it off, which is crazy when you think about it.
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Imp0ssibl3  +   679d ago
Consoles don't get more powerful by magic; you can't upgrade the hardware with updates. The Xbox One will always be an underpowered system, no matter what upgrades its gonna get. It might become easier to develop for or easier to get more performance out of it, but it will never become "more powerful".
incendy35  +   679d ago
So why does it do true multitasking while the PS4 does suspend/resume? Also why does the X1 have a 30GB/s BUS for parallel computing compared to the 10GB/s of the PS4? Computing on today's consoles isn't the way it is in the past. It is a combination of the GPU and the CPU, measuring CU's isn't black and white.
tuglu_pati  +   679d ago
@ incendy35

It doesn't matter how you look at it PS4 will always be more powerful and that is a fact.
candy_mafia  +   679d ago

'Isn't X1 already more powerful now? They have the only exclusive AAA game that runs at 1080p and 60fps'

Are you insinuating Forza 5? If I'm wrong, do you care to explain your comment?

You can check my post history (I'm PS4 user), but it seems to me that you're trolling (stealthily) Xbox One, when there is no need at all.
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barb_wire  +   679d ago
@Candy.. did you miss the /s off your comment? cause if not..

What?, Titanfall on the XBOne is 792p and doesn't get anywhere near to running at 60fps (and staying there)


I see you amended your original comment Candy
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stuna1  +   679d ago
No, I think he's talking about Forza5! Which IMO is a bad example to begin with. Just looking at the sacrifices that had to be made to achieve the end product.
Hercules189  +   678d ago
1080p and 60fps is the only acceptable options for a game to be considered next gen, according to a bunch of ppl on this site. So Killone shadowfall, Infamous, and probably Uncharted 4 aren't true next gen if were going by those standards. As for me I'm fine with 1080p and 30 stable fps.
aerisbueller  +   679d ago
It's not more powerful, and it's not crazy when you think about it, either. I can run n64 games at 1080p/60fps on my phone. Does that mean my phone is more powerful than PS4? The better you make the graphics, the more power it takes to run, and so you have less frames per second and/or you have to lower the resolution. Forza runs at 1080p because it's just not that demanding of a game, and it shows in the graphics.
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KNWS  +   679d ago
Explain that to Sony people might as well be talking to the wall.

Ryse was running at 900p and 30 frames a launch game and still considered by neutrals to be the best looking game on either console so far. Ryse was using a low level of Raytracing too. Less powerful than the PS4?

Forza still the only first party game on either console to hit 1080p and 60 frames. Driveclub couldn't do the same.

Directx12 full for xb1 of course the xb1 is less powerful.

xb1 has a number of undisclosed chips on the motherboard

XB1 has 8 gigs of Flash memory to help the OS. Microsoft hasn't fully disclosed why they needed this amount of flash memory yet.
GarrusVakarian  +   679d ago | Well said
"Ryse was running at 900p and 30 frames a launch game and still considered by neutrals to be the best looking game on either console so far. Ryse was using a low level of Raytracing too. Less powerful than the PS4?"

Ryse runs at an average framerate of mid-high 20's and dips into the TEENS. Killzone SF also uses ray-trace lighting while running at 1080p between 30fps and 60fps in the singleplayer. Ryse has the best character models, by far, but it isn't the best overall looking game imo.

"Forza still the only first party game on either console to hit 1080p and 60 frames. Driveclub couldn't do the same"

What kind of argument is that? They are 2 completely different games in terms of graphical assets. If Driveclub looked exactly the same as Forza visually, but still ran at 30fps, then that would make sense to say the X1 is more powerful. But it doesn't. Forza 5 runs at 60fps 1080p because it received graphical downgrades.

Turn 10 chose 1080p 60fps with toned down effects/graphics.

Evolution chose 1080p 30fps with graphical features.

You can't just say a console is more powerful than another console because a game runs at 1080p 60fps, lol. What if Lococycle was the only game that ran at 1080p 60fps at launch? Would that make the X1 the most powerful? No, of course it wouldn't because there are many more factors other than res and framerate. Texture resolution, day/night cycle, particle effects, dynamic lighting, dynamic weather, DOF, LOD, volumetric smoke, POM, OA, decent AA.....etc etc. Any game can run at 1080p 60fps if enough graphical features are missing/toned down.

But whatever, people like you can carry on living in your delusional world believing that weaker hardware is more powerful, even when devs and the games themselves say otherwise. Crazy people. MisterXmedia is bad for your mental health.
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zerog  +   678d ago
There's no 8 gigs of flash in the x1, it has 8 gigs of ddr3 with 3 of those just for the os. There's also no undisclosed chips. Come on man, one of the 1st things to happen when a new high tech device comes out is tech experts tear them apart to see exactly what's in them and this has been done with all consoles. Also if you want to talk extra chips the ps4 was found to have an extra processor and pool of 256Mbs ddr3 for background tasks. But still there is nothing "secret" in any console, nerds with screwdrivers make sure of that. Besides E3 is around the corner, just wait.
imt558  +   678d ago
What undisclosed chips? You talk like MisterX.
DarXyde  +   678d ago
The XBOX One actually does suspend games. There's no such thing as "True multitasking" (yet?) because it's still forced to move memory around to execute tasks, one at a time.
incendy35  +   678d ago
Games yes, but not apps. It does true multitasking with "multiple apps or apps and a game", unlike PS4. Pretty crazy they are pulling that off.
DarXyde  +   678d ago

NO, that is still incorrect lol. I'm telling you it's not true multitasking. It's trivial to even argue this, but you are in fact wrong, my friend. To truly multi-task, the game must continue running without suspension when you're doing something else. That is, the game must still put out the same resolution, audio quality, activity, etc. while the console is doing something else which you can't even test without 2 or more displays. Again, not true multitasking if you cannot partake in both at once. NOTHING multitasks.

Computers don't even truly multitask because the processes rapidly oscillate between tasks and the difference is imperceptible to us (unless a processor is literally dedicated specifically to one, particular application--still not multitasking because it's using another processor). Unless it can run a game from the disc drive AND a digital game simultaneously with one game suffering quality drop, it isn't true multitasking. You would have to close one because they can't share resources. The same can be said for running 2+ video streaming services as well. It only actively attends to one at any given time.

What you're trying to suggest is XBOX One can switch processes quickly, but so can PS4. Honestly, both consoles can switch activity pretty fast, so it's a non-issue.
Bzone24  +   678d ago
LOL. I think you are trying to redefine the word. If nothing multitasks then everyone on earth except for you are using the word wrong then. You can play a game and snap IE to browse the internet if you so choose or snap Skype and talk to a friend, most would consider that multitasking. Or at least consider it what us dummies think of multitasking being.
DarXyde  +   678d ago

I'm particular about language for things like this. For the record, cognitive researchers would actually agree with me. :0)

Keep in mind though that my argument is the use of the term "true" multitasking. If I used them interchangeably, that's my bad. Not very different from immortality or bottomless pits really; those words are placeholders for concepts that realistically don't exist.

All that nonsense aside, I really don't see that being very different from PS4 at all. You don't "snap" with PS4, but you can run a game, suspend it to open Netflix, etc. Assuming you are in agreeance with incendy35, how exactly is that inferior to the XBOX One's snap function? Serious question, I don't own an XBOX One.
mmc-007  +   678d ago
"X1 have a 30GB/s BUS for parallel computing compared to the 10GB/s of the PS4"
where the hell did you get that from?
KNWS  +   679d ago
Second hand information. He claims he never said that.

Interesting i find this on Twitter from 2013

Just Add Water's CEO Stewart Gilray - who is developing a mystery title for PlayStation 4 - revealed that ...

Oh he has some association with Sony oh i see what hes trying to do here.
Snookies12  +   679d ago
Oh really? So, because a developer is developing a game for a certain console, he must have some allegiance to them? Is that what you're getting at?
stuna1  +   679d ago
So now it's a conspiracy against Microsoft?? Because after all they're known for playing nice and all.

That same argument could be and was used against Microsoft last gen, only difference it was fairly accurate, with their parity clause. The thing this gen is many developers can actually say positive things about the PS4, because it's their input that made it what it is! A beast of a console.
GarrusVakarian  +   679d ago | Well said
So now it's a conspiracy?

But it wasn't a conspiracy last week when the dev was interpreted as saying the performance gap will close?


Man...the things you guys tell yourselves because you can't face facts.
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aerisbueller  +   679d ago
I hope with the changing of the guard at Microsoft these lies about parity and magical SDK updates that upgrade hardware will stop. I genuinely have fun in these console war arguments and discussions vs people who fall for it every time, but really, it's pretty messed up when you think about it. Not everyone knows enough about hardware to understand this, and there's been so many outright lies fed to them in the name of damage control and trying to boost the brand.
cfc78  +   679d ago
There's no denying the ps4 is more powerful , microsoft needs to bring it with the games that's the only way they'll ever close the gap.
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WeAreLegion  +   679d ago
He NEVER said the gap was shrinking. He basically said people will forget all about the gap at some point. It won't be an issue anymore. He never mentioned power.
jessupj  +   679d ago
As long as certain people keep downplaying the large gap, resolutiongate is always going to be an issue.

I personally would like us all to just accept facts, move on and focus on the games.

But I have a sad feeling denial will continue for this entire gen.
WeAreLegion  +   679d ago
Same here. It would be nice if we could just ignore it. I had a PS3 last generation and couldn't care less that some multi-plats looked worse on PS3. None of them were so broken that they were much worse. Well, after Bayonetta was patched, anyway. Lol.
candy_mafia  +   679d ago

I 100% agree, let's move on and look forward to awesomeness...

In all honesty, PS/XBOX fanboys are equally just as bad as each other IMO.

My BF is pro-Xbox and I'm pro-PS, but guess what? ...neither of us are anti-console.

If he was a rancid fanboy, I'd totally kick his butt to the curb, 'cos if you can be so asinine about a hobby, then you can be totally asinine about anything.
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Imalwaysright  +   679d ago
"As long as certain people keep downplaying the large gap, resolutiongate is always going to be an issue."

I don't give a crap about the gap just like I don't give a crap that my PC is twice as powerful as the next gen consoles. It won't stop me from getting a PS4 for TloU2 or GT7, a X1 for QB and I already have a Wii U for the usual suspects. I downplay the difference in power because I don't care about it. Imo you guys are putting to much weight on it so don't expect me to fall in line and play your "my penis is bigger than yours" games.
pupa  +   679d ago
Quote:[Of course, this leaves us wondering if Xbox One will start getting 1080P@60FPS titles regularly anytime soon. What do you think?]

I think, no I know, that the PS4 will remain the powerhouse this gen unless M$ brings out a new SKU rectifying the hardware issues inherently build in the XBone hardware. There is just no way to beat around the bush, yet some will try and cling on every breath or small comment they can rip out of a whole interview to justify their hopes.

Do anyone in their right mind believe that by now IF there was something that COULD be done that M$ with all their might, money and power would not have done it by now?

Lets not be foolish. Sure you will see 1080p/60 on the XBone in future, but with what trade offs? Forza comes to mind (wink).

If the same game were to be made for both consoles and maximum performance were to be extracted from both SKU's without deliberately gimping the one or the other for parity then there can be just one outcome and the multiplats released already have proven that point up to now.
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Volkama  +   679d ago
Rectifying hardware issues? You make it sound like the One is broken just because the PS4 is more powerful.

RROD required rectifying hardware issues. 'A bit less powerful than a competitor' just requires a good business strategy.
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cruzngta  +   679d ago
Finally a dev has the balls to actually admit what smart people have known all along. I love my XB1 but I KNOW my PS4 is more powerful. I love them for what each does on their own. Hardware will not change - it is what it is.
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mogwaii  +   678d ago
A discernabely intelligent xbox one owner. I will eventually buy an xbone when it is cheap as it should be......i initially speak with my wallet.
cruzngta  +   679d ago
and also no 'magical' sdk or dx12 update will change that. Be realistic and use common sense. PS4 has more processing power and faster memory as well as better memory. However this does not lower my appreciation of my XB1 - it is a beast in its own right and will rock this gen with some amazing games as well. I just can't stand people who have only one machine and defend it to the end to an unreasonable level. Not everything in life is equal - thats basically it. MS built a good system that will get better in time with software upgrades which they are known for doing and it will be enough to give us the games we want this gen. Sony went all out and built one hell of a system that will blow us away with some of their exclusives this gen because it has the power to do what the XB1 cannot at certain levels of graphical fidelity. More devs need to step up and clarify this as well so everyone can stop worrying when MS will unleash their ominous 'Secret Sauce' to make the XB1 graphically superior to the PS4.
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PaperMan  +   679d ago
The gap in hardware will always be there and PS4 will always be more powerful. But it still depends on how devs use it to make games. I prefer gameplay over graphics so I don't just want pretty games that are poor to play.
MegaRay  +   679d ago
I second that.
That why I like infamous more than uncharted and tlou
Mikethejew  +   678d ago
And i prefer both, so ps4
R0n0rve  +   679d ago
This is common sense in the eyes of people who aren't in denial. It's the cold hard truth. Hardware will always be the same... Number of tflops will always be the same etc. Both systems will improve in performance through hardware utilization, but that's about it really. Here's hoping to a generation filled with fantastic games across all platforms!
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corroios  +   679d ago
the problema here is that the PS4 will set the standard in graphic department. Xbox fans need to accept that and move along.

O course that xbox one will do 1080/60, but it will need to cut stuff out to run at that rez and frames.

Yes forza does that, but we all know what they did to get there and its a car game. Ryse is 900/20 game, nice hero, but the game was downgrade and still has too many problems and dips in frames. Dead rising is the same.
HaydenJameSmith  +   678d ago
Im sorry but Ryse never sees 20 fps so dnt lie or exaggerate to make a point... eurogamer analysis of ryse showed it stayed between 28-30fps most of the time averaging 29 so dnt give me that 20fps bolox i hear from everyone... plus dead rising doesnt see alot of fps stutters either...

You can say PS4 is more problem but cant start lying XB1 capabilities...
imt558  +   678d ago
Ryse has framerate drops to 16 fps. CHECK DF videos again, dude.
HaydenJameSmith  +   678d ago
Whatever you say man...

Performance-wise, Ryse does great. The game isn’t even locked at 30 frames per second, but the frame rate barely dips or rises more than a few frames

Originally touted as a solid 30fps experience, Ryse misses the mark more often than we'd like with frame-rates often fluctuating between 26-28fps

And even if it had dropped down that low it wud have only been during the computer rendered scenes, so it wouldnt have effected playability at all... Its one of the most stable Crytek Games to date to be made on a console so its quite an accomplishment in itself... any lack of performance wud simply boil down to it being a luanch release game as developers wudnt have enough time to make it better.
Nine_Thousaaandd  +   679d ago
The gap between PS4 and X1 will never disappear. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand's quite simple, PS4 has the raw power right out the gate. People keep repeating better software will close the gap, that's if Sony sits still...which they won't. I've seen Ryse and Forza in action, Ryse is using SMAAx1 @900p...inFAMOUS is using SMAAx2 @1080p. Forza achieved 1080/60fps by using no AA, flaws hidden by motion blur.

I'm NOT saying that Ryse and Forza are bad games, their solid AAA titles showing off the power of X1. But the gap is there, and inFAMOUS alone already show signs that the PS4 is ahead of X1. There will never be parity between X1 and PS4.
marcofdeath  +   678d ago
And they still don't look as good as RYSE or FMS5..
inFAMOUS was down graded (lighting) to make it work.
Nine_Thousaaandd  +   678d ago
"inFAMOUS was down graded (lighting) to make it work."

Yet...Both Killzone and inFAMOUS have more gameplay than Ryse. Ryse=5-7 hrs Killzone=10 hrs w/MP inFAMOUS=18-20 hrs of gameplay time. Easy to crank up graphics in character models when the rest of the game lacks resources in detail and gameplay.

Both Ryse and Forza use fog and blurred mechanics to cover up the flaws...try again!
Dlacy13g  +   679d ago
The performance hardware gap cant change without actually changing hardware, but the ability for devs to better use the xbox one and results that are on par with other platforms.
ocelot07  +   678d ago
Xbox fans should just accept this. It's not like XB1 titles are bad just not as good as they are on PS4. I have had a PS4 since launch and love the damn thing. Yesterday I bought a second hand day one edition Xbox One for £275 to use it for exclusives.

I only have 2 titles at the moment for it. FIFA 14 (also have on PS4) and Dead Rising 3. Both games look and play fine. I also have MGS on PS4. I lent my friends copy of MGS for XB1. There is a big difference between the two. But that is not to say the XB1 version looked awful. It looked great just not as good as the PS4 version.
Bdub2000  +   678d ago
It won't disappear, the PS4 doesnt stand a chance at catching up to the X1 superiority.
Mikethejew  +   678d ago
Bro, april fools was a few days ago
Bdub2000  +   678d ago
Microsoft demonstrated the power of the cloud... That, my friend, is very close to a reality in my living room, and the great equalizer. When the ps4 loses its one and only advantage, then What? LOLOLOLOL.
Bonerboy  +   678d ago
I'd bet 'Bdub' is a PS4 user posing as a young xbox kid, as no one could possibly spew rhetoric with such obvious fallacies. "...the great equalizer." ?! BAHAHAH that's gold right there. He has to be a PS4 kid. Oh man that's rich. A rather flame-baity kid at that.
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Mikethejew  +   678d ago
Im glad i used the gamestop trade in deal, got 450 for my xbone and got ps4 and infamous.
josephayal  +   678d ago
that will never going to happen
corvusmd  +   678d ago
I didn't read the original news post that they are referring to, but it seems neither of these "news" sources are actually conveying what he meant to say correctly (maybe they should actually post the whole interview instead of just the snippit they want to show). In fact, the "quote" isn't even the guy they interviewed, but a quote from the guy that interviewed the guy...such poor "reporting". I can't see a Developer saying that XB1 would PHYSICALLY close the performance gap with PS4...that's retarded...the hardware is the hardware. I CAN see them saying that through Drivers and such, devs saying that the end result performance gap will close (because several devs HAVE said this). PS4 will always be the more hardware powerful machine of the two...anyone saying otherwise is just plain fooling themselves.

It's just hard to trust a "news" source that says they have an interview with a guy, then only posts a few lines of a quote...then at the end of that speculates as to how he meant it. I wasn't there, so I don't know....but someone definitely needs to ask him again, but in a clearer fashion, there are WAY too many holes in the questions and answers.

(All this being said, maybe this last bit really IS what he means, who doesn't really matter. PS4 won't go above native 1080p/60fps and it's easy to believe that within a year XB1 will be doing the same, so in that sense the gap will be closed...again another "loophole" in the argument....the definition of "closing the gap" isn't clear)
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Cobra951  +   678d ago
Let's look at this another way. Let's say you have 2 pickup trucks, one with a 200HP V6 and one with a 300HP V8. You have to pull a load at 60 mph, or you're not allowed to use the freeway. If the load is so heavy that the V6 can only pull it at 40 mph, you use the V8 instead. But if you can figure out a way to lighten the load so that both trucks can pull it at 60 mph, then either truck will perform the same job equally well.

The engine is like the computer hardware. The load is like software technology. No one would ever say that the V6 is going to get as powerful as the V8, but if it can perform the same job equally well with an optimized load, it won't matter.
Android  +   678d ago
Interesting analogy, but why not just use the v8 since it can handle the required speed? Also, what if the V8 was optimised too? Wouldn't we be exactly where we started, with one STILL performing better than the other? So essentially the gap wouldn't have moved.
Izzy408  +   678d ago
Hmmm.. there's something fishy about this article.
valet_Smerdyakov  +   678d ago
There was something fishy about the first one.
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S2Killinit  +   678d ago
Straight from the horses mouth. I hate to say i told you so, but... Well... I told you so.
Bonerboy  +   678d ago
Watch out man! Haven't you heard? Xbox has the CLOUD! Pffft oh man, I cant even type that with a straight face.

Carry on PS4, nothing to see here.
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