Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes contains some graphic elements including sexual abuse. Did Kojima cross the line?
I much prefer cutscenes to audio tapes. Devs should realize that most people complaining in forums are the minority opinion. It's rare for a person to go online and praise something.
You don't hear Sony gamer's crying about it. After playing Last of Us i'm ready for anything.
They should have those audio tapes into real cutscenes. Why bother listening to them, better read a text then. Games should really hit maturity and portray what movies are doing. Any developer should be audacious and accept the challenge to go beyond the limits of what is presented these days. Kojima do it in the Phantom Pain. Don't worry, Jack Thompson is far from you and he is only ineterested in GTA (unless he will be confused thinking MGSV is GTA because it has same gameplay now lol).
It's not real, deal with it, and if you don't want to then don't listen to it or close your eyes and ears and say "lalalalalala".... I wonder what percent of people who complain about this fake stuff are actually out in the real world helping real victims of real crimes, poverty, starvation, etc. (0.2%?)
The last person I trust to handle such a serious topic is Kojima.
No reason. He just wanted to say that. Possibly Kojima kicked his dog.
This is why I hate 90+% of the people on the internet (which I guess now means 90+% of people in general). Other people convince them that they are upset about something.......or there's some "righteous" cause they need to take up arms about, and they just become these completely disingenuous trolls that really have no real personality or opinions of their own. If they are even the slightest bit upset about something they consider "wrong" in their tiny minds (like perhaps a developer DARING to charge people a measly $20 for a Prologue game......I was more than happy to pay double that for a far less impressive or content rich GT5 Prologue, but what do I know), they will just go on the attack on absolutely any grounds. People just make me sick. I would do ANYTHING for a ticket onto MARS1 to get as far away from the brainwashed masses as I possibly can. But I digress. The fact is, just a couple years ago a developer would have been, and in fact WAS praised for giving their fanbase credit for being mature enough to handle these kind of mature plotlines when done well. Heavy Rain comes immediately to mind for example. But hey......Kojima charged (GASP!!) $20 for a product......well he's just gone too far then....... F People. Thank You.
The last of us shows that we are looking for more mature topics that make for more interesting stories. We are grown up now and want controversial storytelling.
I read that in the Pillsbury Dough Boy's voice, so I couldn't take it seriously. /s Seriously though, I love shows/movies/books that tackle controversial themes. When games do it, I'm even more excited, because they're so rare.
Sexual abuse happens every day. It's a part of humanity and it'll be with us until the very last of us.
So put it in video games? I think put this kind of stuff in if the juice is worth the squeeze which when it comes to tv it usually is depending on the show. Tv makes you feel for people especially when something bad happens and you see it visually These are just audio's clips Worth the squeeze? Not saying a visual would be a good thing to me the audio was just pointless although add's to the story but only fans will worry about them things. The audio of sexual abuse did nothing to make this game better or enhance the gameplay.
Well it depends on the theme and setting of a game. I love when TV shows are not afraid to have the bad acts of humanity (e.g Walking Dead, True Detective, that show was awesome btw). The world is not made of rainbows and sunshine, so why should games have to be? There are people out there who actually commit these acts and I could understand if games made them out to be okay, but they dont. When they do I guess the internet can have a proper reason to b**** about it
We already have murder in videogames.
I see what you did there...clever.
No, Kojima said multiple times that the game will push boundaries and go into very taboo and real subjects, if you can't handle a M rated game then I hear PBS is a good place for you to feel safe and ignore the real problems of the world. The MGS series always went into serious topics but always with a message against it. In this case its about the horrors of torture and the secracry and awful things that governments do like set up prisons off their own soil so prisoners have none of that countries rights. Stop whining or go find a game that is for you like candy crush or kinect sports.
Dude. Right on. Right f*cking on! Thank you. Finally someone with a brain.
Lol, this should be the top and only comment allowed on this article. Right to the point and 100 percent accurate. We live in a over dramatic society that are still getting used to feelings. I work to many hours and have to much shit to do to bother bitching about every little thing i think is allitle wierd in the world.
No it was awesome!
I would strongly prefer to continue having games that touch upon Mature and Adult themes. This game is rated for adults, not kids. I didn't think Ground Zeroes was a great game, but I have no problem with it engaging in themes common in humanity and/or war.
Hahah so good kinda seems alot of people is split on the idea and how it should be done
If you are grown then it is OK if you dont like it don't play that simple and parents need to pay more attention to what they kids play instead of buying them whatever they want to shut them up.
Apparently when dealing with topics of "going too far", sexual abuse > committing murder. Yeah it's very adult topic but so is murder, yet no one bats an eye at that. I'm talking about video games in general. You see this come up often.
I've seen sexual abuse in movies and there are never problems, however, if it is involved in a video game then we are on the verge of WW3. I don't understand society.
Probably because society still associates video games with children but I totally agree.
Sadly, there are people who believe video games are the cause of criminal acts of violence, while television has no influence at all opposite.
Because sexual abuse is not real life right...If we want games to be emersive...nothing should be off the table
SPOILERS! You have been warned. I didn't find it all that shocking, Paz having the 2nd bomb placed in her private area's wasn't all that shocking, I kind of guessed that's how the helicopter would have went down, a decoy bomb. The audio tapes are phenomenal and breathed more depth into the whole thing, but yet.. I've seen worse, heard worse and read worse, it made me take the XOF enemy a little more seriously, much like when Volgin was torturing Big Boss in MGS3, the enemy isn't f*cking around and I like that. On Topic: No, this isn't crossing any lines, rated M for Mature obviously.
It never states that is the location of the second bomb. It could be any place in the human body. Most likely it's in her head and that's why her head was shaved. Edit. I looked around for more info on that scene and it was surgically placed in her womb. So no it was not in her "private" area lol.
I didn't see any scars, stitches, or anything of the sort on her scalp, it was in her genital area and surely that was made clear in the game, it was the big shock on top of the cherry pie. Although it wasn't all that shocking to some of us, it was quite a step above previous MGS games in terms of torture and sexual abuse.
you can hear her say "there's one in my va-" then she gets interrupted, also if she had a bomb in her head how the hell would she even be able to function?
He will most likely let it get to a climax then ask you to buy the next demo or DLC $jima.
No, however he did cross the line with a overpriced short demo
No cause its a game, not real so there is no line to cross.
Yes, because for christs sake let's stop pretending like Kojima is a good writer and that metal gear is a plot that's good enough to tackle these serious issues. We hear things like rape, and then the rape victim says "I would like to kill you" only for the response to be "The feeling is mutual, but we're secret agents" ^ the same unnatural unrealistic comic book-esque dialogue that plagues the rest of this series when it's trying to be taken seriously is why this series shouldn't be the one to tackle these issues. And Kojima certainly didn't accomplish anything by including it, news flash, games are not considered anymore cultured than before ground zeroes decided to pull the "rape" card out. Which imo, is writer's shorthand for controversy.
Oh for F sake,it´s just a game,it´s not real... .grow a pair.Are you soooo sensitive that you can´t handle a fake abuse on a bunch of pixiels... I´ve you ever heard of game named "Manhunt". How about a movie called "Irrebersible" remenber that scene in the tunnel with Monica Bellucci. Jesus it´s all pretend ,imagination estimullus. When is society stop associating Videogames to little children,they are not kid based,the majority of gamers worlwide is about 28 years old we like adult stuff,and Kojima should be praized by trying to break this barrier. I know i support him.He´s my favorite developer after all.
It's The Telling Of A Story. Some Stories Are.Sexually Explicit. Grow Up And Get Over It.
Its an adult game with adult themes, man up pussies. Also no one is forcing you to play this.
Super cool Remy, now get back to your high school year book and let the adults handle this.
Sure thing princess, you can do the "adult" thing and cry like the world gives a fuck about abused pixels. A story should keep the original vision of its creator and not bend to the will of special snowflakes because they may deem it offensive or politically incorrect.
Didn't state if I was against it or for it. I was referring to your lack of maturity. Then again when I read your second post, it's as if you wanted to confirm that.
How can you refer to someone else's lack of maturity when your response is immature, too? Being hypocritical on such a subject gives you no credibility.
sexual abuse is something that happens daily in the world,when books talk about it and feature it,when movies talk about it and feature it,when there are whole websites dedicated to it no bats an eye but one one video game features an audio tape everyone loses their mind. Hypocrites
The sexual abuse was handled perfectly BECAUSE it was told through audio tapes. Sounds like pants-zippers and wimpers are WAY less graphic than cut scenes. Imo, Kojima made an excellent decision to include the most graphic parts of the game, the rape(s?), in the form of mere audio instead of graphic and exploitative cutscenes. This artistic choice improves the game on two levels: 1) Avoids the long cutscenes the series is known for (and, for the most part, not in a good way). 2) Allows Kojima to show the true horrors of everyday war without mentally scarring his audience.
I want to make a sarcastic joke about the article spoiling
If video games are going to progress as a medium and gain the same level of respect that films, music, books, and theater have then it has to bush the boundaries of what people can expect from the medium. If every other medium can explore these mature themes without ridicule(if done tastefully of course) then i say why not games?
Just a question. Is there a soldier with pooping problems in the game?
they make a nod to it in one of the missions.
Its a bit more hard hitting than previous games, but not new to MGS. Remember Volgin in Snake Eater, he abused Raidonavich and Eva (under cover which means she allowed it which makes things complex), not to mention torturing and cruely killing other characters. I disliked Volgin immensely. There was humour to soften his and others' actions , but the cruel and the perverse was still there. Nuclear proliferation, child soldiers, torture, its all here in MGS5, I am looking forwards to it. The only line Kojima crosses is the one between crap games (most), and something I can get lost in.
Why be a king when I can be aGOD ........,
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