A Hour With Michael Pachter: a Talk on PS4, Xbox One, Wii U, Titanfall's Exclusivity, Morpheus, More

DualShockers spent a little under one hour chatting with Wedbush Securities Analyst and crystal ball holder extraordinaire Michael Pacher, that gave us his opinion about quite a few different topics, ranging from Morpheus to Sont, Microsoft and Nintendo, touching Electronic Arts, Titanfall, Ubisoft and more.

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GribbleGrunger1545d ago

Is there anything you can do to clean the sound up a bit? It's sounding muffled here, although it could be my laptop speakers I suppose.

Abriael1545d ago

Unfortunately there was a problem. Pachter discovered at the very last moment that Skype was blocked at his office, so we had to set up a conference call and that screwed up recording a bit. :(

In additiion to that my microphone suddenly died, but luckily it's still understandable.

GribbleGrunger1545d ago

Yeah, I can hear it better through my TV.

GameNameFame1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

At this point, MS is working to fix their mess up. However, they cant fix weak hardware and 50 percent power gap.

Fanboys may believe in secret sauces, but you cant change hardware. Dx12 mostly benefit PC. Even MS's slide says PC and examples are PC. Just desperate fanboys are trying to take it out of context.

Any software can be ported to pc anyways.

NewMonday1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

"Michael continued by saying that the attach rate for PS4 on Titanfall would have probably been around 30% of 15 million, so they missed on the chance to sell another 4.5 million units sold. If their profit is 15 bucks a unit they missed out on roughly 70 million dollars worth of sales"

publishers get $36 out of $60 meaning EA lost over $160 million, this is not even counting sales lost on PS3, meaning EA lost over $300 million.


"On the other hand the game is not on PS4, but that’s a reason why a million or so people will buy an Xbox One. Counting the discounts from retailers, the Titanfall bundle makes the Xbox One cheaper than the PS4, so EA is getting back quite a bit in sales"

Titanfall hardly moved 100k XBone units, those who want it can get it on 360 or PC


"Pachter also talked about the difference between talking to gamers and talking to investors, and explained that his predictions have the purpose to tell investors what companies might do"

hate to be an investor taking advice from him

abzdine1544d ago

i really don't care about Pachter's opinion. the guy's way too subjective to be taken seriously.

UltimateMaster1544d ago (Edited 1544d ago )

I'm calling it.
The VR headsets will be the most profitable market for Sony yet.
Patcher: "They rather spend their money on marketing rather than VR headsets"

What's the need to market something's that's sold out? That would be wasted money, but we all know Patcher's Xbot personality. He fears success of VR and what it could mean for Xbox.

Patcher: "Microsoft probably bought the exclusivity for 100 million $"
Yeah, for sure EA regrets it, when the game could have been sold to 6 million PS4 and 80 million PS3s.
60$ a game, let's assume 40$ profit (not the ridiculously low price of 15$, 15$ barely covers the cost of the game if sold 1M) 40$ x (PS4 current ratio of sold game VS X1. Average 2.69) x Numbers of Titanfall sold on X1 = more than 100 Million $... (118M) that's for PS4 alone not counting the PS3. But of course, Microsoft will try to downgrade everything in it's favor.
Yeah, you said it right the first time Patcher, Microsoft's getting their money back worth, not EA.

UltimateMaster1544d ago

Patcher: 4:23 "Gamers aren't particularly interested in peripherals. None of the peripherals are ever done well with the exception of kinect."


"...less the motion controls and more the voice commands."

You don't need a motion control camera with speakers on the side to be able to enjoy Voice Commands. All you need is a microphone, any Headsets will work with Voice commands on the PS4 (but you need kinect for the Xbox One).

He simply owned himself in his own argument...

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Cindy-rella1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

i can't believe titan fall isn't doing too well sales wise. every minute on the tele theres an advert for it and its been happening weeks before it launched. its a good game from what I've seen and with such massive hype and commercial campaign I'm quite surprised it hasn't sold millions

KonsoruMasuta1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

It will probably do better when the 360 version comes out. I don't know why they delayed it for so long.

Flutterby1545d ago

You seriously don't know why? The one and only reason is they wanted to shift xbone hardware and to get the sales they wanted they didn't want people to get it on the 360 and miss out on the xbone console sale. That's also why they delayed it again , because the xbone sakes of titanfall where not what they wanted so left it a bit longer to see if they got up a bit more.

Godmars2901545d ago

And some people, including myself, just don't understand how such a tactic is suppose to work. people who wanted it on the XB1 got it on the XB1, and people who want it for the 360 will get the 360 version. Reactionary buys have already reacted, and even there are some left, can't imagine more than a few hundred - a thousand - not being able to wait a few weeks or a month for a $60 game they'd spend $500 more.

forcefullpower1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

They are hoping the delaying will help with adoption rate for the xbone. Its a combination of thing more to do with them being worried that once people buy it for the 360 they wont upgrade to xbone but may get the ps4 if Titanfall 2 comes out on it. The convertion rate from 360 to PS4 could be huge and more damaging for them with second addition than the first.


Also I didnt think EA backed Sony last generation at all. They jumped in bed with 360 from the start. Sony where over year late to market.

Realplaya1545d ago

@ Godmars290 Do you not understand business 101. The reasoning is to try any tactic possible to move systems. Microsoft wants to shift more systems so they had to push the 360 version back therefor people who were on the fence with getting the system it gives them more incentive to pick it up. So if they are impatient then they can drop that extra coin.

PoSTedUP1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

@godmars- yes its comming on 360, but the less ammount of people that know that, the more people will buy an X1 to get it. let me explain: 1.) they havent talked about it or even mentioned the 360 in a long time. 2.) they havent shown any game play of the 360 version. 3.) the commercial say "only on xbox and pc" and they only show a pic of an X1. and 4.) they delayed it on 360. put all of this together and that is them really wanting TF to push X1's and hope they can deter as many ppl away from knowing about the 360 version and towards a brand new X1.

Godmars2901545d ago

"Do you not understand business 101"
Yes, but this isn't supply and demand. You're talking about 103 or later: manipulation.

Force, what's not registering to you and Realplay was my end comment. That people have to spend $500 to play a $60 game. Whether on the fence or not, especially on the fence or not, a significant number of people are going to stay for longer than the short time the 360 version of the game has been reported to have been held back. Likely as result of what MS wants and what EA wants. Nevermind that anyone who's waiting for the 360 version of the game is waiting for that version.

This situation just strikes me as a lack of common sense, which seems to be the mindset of modern business.

guitarded771545d ago

Dude... I hate to join the chorus and continue beating a dead horse, but the delay thing was pretty obvious. MS was using Titanfall to push X1.

I think sales on 360 will be decent though. There is a huge install base, and a need for "exclusive" titles. There is the potential that the 360 sales could suffer from the delay. Sometimes when a game releases later on another platform, the hype behind it just isn't the same. Gamers have seen enough of it online, to know if they really want the game or not, and sometimes that can be a bad thing.

PoSTedUP1545d ago

godmars, we explained how this tactic is suppose to work. it is commonsense. hype game: sell console. deter ppl away from one console: sell the other. 101. they want to milk it bc X1 isnt doing as well as they want it, this is to boost it as much as possible. which is really the most they can do atm. after they milk the X1, Then they will later release the 360 version, hype it, and milk it for all its worth. that is the best way to maximize profit in this situation.

Godmars2901545d ago

It is not common sense. It was something done at the 11th hour because initial sales of the XB1 version, along with supporting sales of the console itself, fell well below expectations. Now a market some PR douche has no respect for is being poorly and obviously manipulated. Having one carrot waved in front of their face in the hopes that they'll buy a larger carrot.

And again, this isn't just MS's "game" but EA's as well. What one company wants is going at odds with what another does. Meaning that while they both want to sell Titanfall, once would rather see a specific version sell over the other, or at least a correspondingly large amount of consoles to go with them. But that didn't happened to their satisfaction. So now they're trying to influence an outcome that's already happened.

If anything, in the really worst possible outcome, the 360 version comes out and gets ripped to shreds in reviews. Is hopelessly buggy. A result like that would likely spur XB1 sales better, though would still be a bad thing for EA, who would take the bulk of the bad reaction.

Realplaya1544d ago

@ Godmakars290 Don't take this personally but do you think Microsoft cares about how you feel. Your 1 of millions with money to spend. The thing you have to do is put yourself in their shoes they are a business and in order to make money off of new product they have o convince you to buy their new offering. If they give you the same game from the the new system that you get on the old system why would you buy the new system?

We know how you feel as a consumer and as a consumer myself I feel your pain but at the end of the day you can't be to engrossed and attached to these companies they will do something that lets you down at the end of the day.

PoSTedUP1544d ago (Edited 1544d ago )

um, yeah i didnt quite understand your point. justas long as you acknowledge that they are trying to influence thw outcome. there really is no other reason for them behaving they way that they are. and yes, obviously EA has something to do with it, so do you think they are going to let MS screw with their game on an 80million installbase platform? ha. you contridicted yourself, kinda. well your theory makes no sense if you really read that jumbo.

MS: we're going to f*** up your chances of getting ANY sales on the 360's 80million install base, EA.

EA: ok, sure thing, buddy.

lol. no.

Back-to-Back1544d ago

"I don't know why they delayed it for so long."

To artificially boost sales numbers and try to get fools to buy into their new system.

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Bigpappy1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

he never said Titan falls was not doing well. Where did you get that information

@ forceful power: A Titan falls2 Would not happen for at least 2 what you are saying does not make sense.

mediate-this1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

@cindy rella
Wow you are ridiculous, one million titan fall sales on xb1 is not good? One million sales for a console that has a install base of 4 million is bad? Are you being dumb on purpose?? But one million sales of infamous:ss to a console that has a install base of 7 million is great?

Your logic is confusing.

WilDRangeRrfc1544d ago

You get disagrees for telling the truth this site is so bias towards Sony,I have PS4 + X1 and I love them both, I have ISS and TF and all I play at the minute is TF best game I have played EVER,people knocking X1 need to realise PS4 is 15-20% more powerful nothing more X1 is a great console and feels more next gen to me,and anyone who says the DS4 although way better than DS3 is anywhere near as comfortable as X1 pad is deluded,my thumbsticks on DS4 feel cheap and are not concaved enough meaning sweaty thumbs still slip off especially when playing Fifa,I gave about 8 friends advice on what console to get and they listened to me and got X1 all of them!!
Xbox has the best controller and games and Live has a better community no one talks on PSN and the voice chat quality is horrible,yes PS4 has really impressive graphics and is defo more powerful,but X1 does a lot better than PS4 in certain areas one being voice chat,install times on X1 are bad compared to PS4 though,they're both great Infamous and TF all week for me

mediate-this1544d ago (Edited 1544d ago )


I know man, all im doing is adding a unbiased perspective, i have both consoles too, and i seem to be playing x1 more regardless of the ps4 being more powerful. If:ss is a good game, but i already beat it and am not going back to it. Unless we get dlc.

HiddenMission1544d ago

To both of you no one said anything about sales of either titles attach rate so no point in bringing this up.

How you two went off on a tangent about personal opinion is beyond me...I could easily say the opposite. I think PSN is superior, DS4 is superior, PS4 games are superior, voice chat is you see what I did there my personal opinion counters yours so what's your point of putting all that when it's subjective.

Both console are good and depending on the person one will be favored more than the other. Every gamer know either only got a PS4 or if they got both they spend more time on their PS4's vs their XB1's. That's just from my observations.

Flames761545d ago

Its been the highest pre ordered game this year with over 1 million.It will hit 2.4 million ending march 31 and it still hasnt launched on the Xbox 360 yet.Not sure where your getting its not selling well?Do you think its gonna sell 15 million copys on a system that has sold 4 million consoles in the past 4 months?Titanfall sold over 1 million in 3 days on the X1 thats crazy

Platinum_k1545d ago

proof?... oh wait, you don't

I too like to pull random numbers out of my ass

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TFJWM1545d ago

talking about PS+ "They also learned that the more they give you free that doesn’t cost them very much, the more people will perceive value in the system."
Umm not sure how that is "perceived" value that is straight up value

Belasco1545d ago

Man, you guys really are on alert for the most infinitesimal slight against Sony, it's a little nuts. Otherwise, Pachter actually makes a good point about Nintendo, they do need to go back to the drawing board and release a beast of a console.

LexHazard791545d ago

Lol...good one Abriel!
"Crystal ball holder extraordinaire"...


Sound keeps stoping at 22 seconds for me…anybody else having the same problem?

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