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Performance Gap Between Xbox One and PS4 Will Disappear, Says Oddworld Creator

Oddworld Inhabitants co-founder Lorne Lanning has discussed the differences between developing for Xbox One and PlayStation 4, saying that disparity between the consoles is already disappearing. (Oddworld New ‘n’ Tasty, PS4, Xbox One)

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nifonge  +   124d ago
Until it's proven it's all hear-say. That $100 (or now $50) cost difference between the two systems is HUGE when considering what the PS4 will do right out of the box for 95% of all 3rd party games.
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xHeavYx  +   124d ago | Well said
Unless MS comes with an Xbox One.2 with improved hardware, there will always be a performance gap
HeWhoWalks  +   124d ago | Well said
Seems to be a hard concept for some to grasp, even a few devs (it would seem), no matter how simple the idea is.

Much of it, to me, aims to fill a need for parity (for whatever reason). Where was such talk during the PS2 era? Answer - didn't exist, because there was no way that console's specs could ever decrease the performance gap between itself and the Xbox/GameCube.

Sure, we now live in a world where patches and firmware can change a lot, but they cannot change hardware. That gap will ALWAYS be there.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   124d ago | Well said
Lol, "disappear". Where exactly is it going to go? I know some devs have to be neutral and appear not to be choosing a side. But some gamers aren't stupid.

As devs learn and get the most out of the X1, the same will be happening with the PS4. That will happen throughout the gen. The gap is already there and will remain. You can't just magically make weaker hardware the same as more powerful hardware, even if the more powerful hardware stayed at a standstill...which it won't be.

You can gimp games on the more powerful platform for partiality, that's not the same as the performance gap closing though.
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Fireseed  +   124d ago
"Seems to be a hard concept for some to grasp, even a few devs"

Armchair game development at it's finest.
NewMonday  +   124d ago | Well said
He is talking about development tool performance not consoles, but MS can keep on dreaming
Death  +   124d ago | Well said
@Lukas

Both consoles will improve with time, that is a given. The PS4 out of the gate is easier to maximize due to it's single pool of GDDR5. Developing on the PS4 is much easier than the Xbox One due to Microsoft using eSram. It will take longer for devs to master the more complex architecture that Microsoft chose to use. The launch titles show Microsoft has much more room for improvement. The gap may always exist, but it will get smaller over time as Xbox devs play catch up.
truefan1  +   124d ago | Well said
You guys are missing the point, where did he say XB1 will be more powerful, he said performance gap will close and he is right. Forza is the only 1080p 60 fps exclusive and it was a launch title. 1080p 60 fps will be the max this generation and it will be about who can make it look the best. MSFT is the BEST software company in the world and DX is unmatched in terms of api software. You guys will learn by June 2014 that XB1 may have the best looking and best performing games, despite being less powerful. Hardware is the only thing set in stone and as much as open gl may improve, it will never be DX.
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GrizzliS1987  +   124d ago | Well said
gap will only increase. i am willing to bet the full potential of the ps4 over time will escalate exponentially more so than the full potential of the xb1.

to simplify my statement, imagine ps4 is a number 2, and xb1 a number 1.
2 to 1 is a difference of 1.
if they both increase performance by lets say, 50% that would put ps4 at 3 and xb1 at 1.5

so now, 3 to 1.5 is not a difference of 1 anymore, but of 1.5.
torchic  +   124d ago | Well said
@fireseed

you don't need to go to university and study computer engineering for 4 years to know that difference in power between PS4 and Xbox One will never reach a state of parity, especially due to the chasm between the two. hardware is exactly that, HARDware and can't change. software is more than capable of doing the job for Microsoft but not while the hardware gap between the two is initially this large.

I'm not sure what this dev is trying to pull here, very ODD indeed.

@truefan

let's ignore your argument that software will bring performance and graphical parity, or as you suggested maybe even superiority to the Xbox One. let's talk about Microsoft's reputation for a bit, how much do you wanna bet that Microsoft is once again exaggerating the truth and DX12 will bring minimal gains to Xbox One? you guys don't learn do you? it's almost as if you enjoy being lied to by Microsoft.
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Kingthrash360  +   124d ago | Well said
disappear?..lol ok. by that logic the gap in power between wiiu and ps4 will disappear too. y'know, just because i said it.
cozomel  +   124d ago
I've never cared for any of this guys games and have never bought one. And it will stay that way, cuz this guy just sounds to me like he's aiming for parity, rather than designing to each consoles strength. Unless the PS4's development environment isnt improving while the XO's is, then there's no way you can deny the technical gap. And also, often these devs say sh!t like this and then when their game comes out there are huge differences between the versions. So i'll believe it when i see it.

Also can somebody explain to me how and what "toolset" is and whats the difference with the "development environment" and SDK and API and drivers.
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darthv72  +   124d ago
Optimization is key. The gap won't "disappear" per say but there will be a diminished sense of performance differences over time.

It happens with all platforms the longer they are on the market. Devs get better at understanding what works and what doesnt and they find new ways to improve the performance and reduce the overhead in doing so.

I will say this though. Architecture that is a bit more cumbersome does present an interesting challenge to those who have the desire to really understand it. If successful in achieving that understanding, great things come of it.

PS2 and PS3 are both great examples of tech that wasn't easy to program for at first but once they got the hang of it we got great end results from their labor.
Hozi89  +   124d ago
The reason there won't be a performance gap like he's talking about is because DEVS will get lazy and make the ps4 version of the game the same as Xbone.
Hatsune-Miku  +   124d ago | Well said
What's up with stupid people and their idiotic spinning. Do people think weaker hardware can just magically get more powerful.

Ps4 is over 50% more powerful than xbox one and it'll forever be that way. Xbox one software for developing games will get more efficient and better just like Ps4s but hardware power will always be the same

Ps4 will forever be more powerful than xbox one

Xb1: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games -56% less  
Xb1: 768 Shaders -50.5% less  
Xb1: 48 Texture units -50% less  
Xb1: 16 ROPS -100% less  
Xb1: 2 ACE/ 16 queues -400% less  
Xb1: 13.65GPixels/s -88% less  
Xb1: 40.90GTexels/s -40% less  

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games +56% more  
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50.5%  
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%  
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%  
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues 400%  
PS4: 25.60GPixels/s +88%  
PS4: 57.60GTexels/s +40%

I know fanat-X and fanboys think specs don't mean a thing because you can just improve software development but when you improve software development on a higher spec device it'll show improvements over a lower spec device. People should just get what they want and be satisfied no matter if what they prefer is inferior. I myself prefers quality and more power so ps4 for me. I have a pc but don't like tinkering with things when there are software conflicts preventing me from playing games or whatever

Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4
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Askanison4  +   124d ago
@GrizzliS1987

You don't understand what exponential means, do you?
Why o why  +   124d ago
Please dont use forza as a 1080p 60fps example after the falongate. Just wait for another title...
I would also take more note had it been a developer that had worked on a multiproject that was more demanding. Ask kojima, or the watchdog guys. If, by their next game, they state there's a shrinking of the gap then it would be impossible to argue against it potentially disappearing. Theres a whole lot of closing from the current state of play though.

Like pretty much everybody has stated, both will improve. We shall see if the gap will dissappear. I highly doubt judging that from specs and limited knowledge alone but whats wrong with giving some a semblance of hope to fight the fight with.
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scott182  +   124d ago | Well said
@truefan1
Resogun is a PS4 exclusive in 1080p 60fps and does more on screen all day long than Forza. Most multiplats play and look better. X1 has no "good looking" games in full hd 1080p, PS4 has plenty. PS4 has basically the same CPU but MUCH stronger GPU with more features and better pool of RAM.

Can we just face it that the PS4 is going to have the advantage? I faced it last gen that the 360 had the faster gpu with better shaders, I wasn't in denial (and it was even less significant difference wise last gen)... This is just getting ridiculous. I don't know if companies just want to stick up for Microsoft out of loyalty or what, but nobody let the PS3 off the hook last gen because of it's gpu, and being hard to program for.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   124d ago
@truefan. No one is saying that he said the X1 will be more powerful. You are making some mighty big assumptions with comment based on literally nothing at all. You seem to put all your hopes into software, but everyone knows that software can only do so much. Having more powerful hardware is the biggest advantage and the PS4 has that. As I, and many others have said already, both consoles will improve with time, but expecting the gap between each consoles to magically close is unrealistic. Also, using Forza of an example of 1080p 60fps is laughable, the visual sacrifices that game had to make in order to achieve that we're pretty significant. Sorry for the lack of paragraphs, I'm on my phone :p
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Darrius Cole  +   124d ago | Funny
You say Microsoft is the best software company in the world??? Best? Not the biggest, but the best??? RRRReally???

Well, Truefan1, you certainly gave yourself the right name.
ThanatosDMC  +   124d ago
They better not be saying that because they're signing the parity clause bs.
badz149  +   124d ago
it's now official guys! for you pc only gamers out there, this is good news! you don't have to buy new GPU every 2 to 3 years as your old and weaker card will perform just as good as the newer and better cards if you give it some times!

but seriously, what a joke!
GameNameFame   124d ago | Trolling | show
GUTZnPAPERCUTZ  +   124d ago
@ Hatsune-Miko, dude your X1 specs are totally wrong lol, the system is pushing 1.34TFLOPS for a start XD Look up Xbox One specs and stop mis informing people, Yes the PS4 is more powerful, but not like you have it listed.
Charybdis  +   124d ago
Software and tools are important. Xb1 virtual (3os system) takes up precious resources but allows for snaping apps could a software update improve performance maybe. Esram will be a bottleneck if not supported correctly, could tools improve and maybe even automate the buffering into the esram also maybe.

Since the OS is virtual I do not know if it is possible (would be nice though) for the x1 to incorporate esram and its ddr3 ram into a virtual memory pool accessible at the same time by gpu and cpu (hsa concept). Having good software and tools simply does and can result in better performance of hardware especially if you overcomplicate things with 3os systems and esram.
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thunderbear  +   124d ago
Lorne Lannning's comment on the technical side of things should never be taken serious. Actually, he should in general rarely be taken serious. Very few if his "predictions" have come to pass.
mewhy32  +   124d ago
Yes. But if i'd said that I'd be tagged for trolling.
FLYINGDOG  +   124d ago
" Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4 " ps4 look more like 3DO.. future? jajajajaja
MorePowerOfGreen  +   124d ago
Like I said before I'm surprised folks care what the PS4 fan armchair developers and engineers say on this topic.

Funny how some elite 3rd party devs and 1st party MSFT devs must be looking at Directx 12 kits or trying to reserve them for XB1, when PS4 fans said collectively it was impossible for XB1 and you would need new hardware just days ago, days before GDC.(talking VIP devs, not the public or small time devs having access in 2015)

-XB1 has a faster clocked CPU

-More peak RAM bandwidth/heavily custom GPU with joint AMD nd MSFT design.

-8 gigs of Flash, dedicated audio chip,4 Move engines

-Directx

Things like this are what devs are seeing when they say things like that. There maybe some things each console will do the other can't in the future. The performance differences we see today has nothing to do with these launch games showing that PS4 is more cable. The xbox One issues are caused by dev kits/tools being slapped together and worked on as devs were building the fist or even 2nd wave of games.

Clearly based on the unfinished system software, lack of features compared to the 360 and the lower performing multi plats you can see that the Xb1 was suppose to release in 2015 and has placeholder system software in it.
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maniacmayhem  +   124d ago
I always get a kick out of some of the posters here on N4G that refuse to take a developers word when it doesn't paint Sony's console in a higher light when compared to others.

There is nothing to suggest that Xbox One can't do 1080p or 60fps. And we have already heard and it is a fact that the reason for early multiplat games not being the same is directly because of Xbox One's architecture.

Just because one hardware has GDDR5 doesn't mean it will be running laps around Xbox One. We have already seen some games for PS4 having to cut corners just to achieve a certain framerate or graphic fidelity despite a lot on here who always yell the ps4 has more power.

You guys don't seem to understand that you can achieve more with less. It's all about the right tools, the right tools make all the difference in the world.

And why this developer is lying after what MS put them through should only further prove that the gap will close.
tinynuggins  +   124d ago
It makes sense if you really think about it. If an X1 game runs at 900p/60FPS and that same game runs on PS4 at 1080p/60FPS he's saying that eventually both games would be running at 1080p/60/FPS. Unless developers then start outputting PS4 games at 1120p/90 FPS which isn't going to happen.. the gap basically closes. PS4 will always be the more powerful console, you just may not see the difference in multi-plat games in the near future like you do now.
scott182  +   124d ago
I guess this is good news for me then, according to what some people on here say. My 9800 gtx in my pc wont need to be upgraded anymore, I can just wait for better tools to come out for developers and overclock my CPU a tiny bit... Money saved! Thank you guys.
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Angeljuice  +   124d ago
@Trufan1

" MSFT is the BEST software company in the world and DX is unmatched in terms of api software."

OMG, did you type that with a straight face? No dev alive believes DX is unmatched, it doesn't allow you to code close enough to the metal, it is viewed as frustrating for that reason. They are trying to address that with DX12, but only because DX was lagging way behind and they had to do something.

While Microsoft may be the 'biggest' software company in the world, they are FAR FROM THE BEST. Don't believe the self-promotional hype, your comments come from someone who obviously isn't forced to use their buggy, unstable, legacy-ridden crap for a living.
Pain  +   124d ago
in time my Ford focus will catch up to that Corvette!! bigger stronger faster motor my butt!! I just know it can right?...
Pogmathoin  +   124d ago
Who is this Lorne Lanning anyway? What would he know? Thank the Lord I have all you here to get my tech resources....
Gozer  +   124d ago
The comments here are hilarious and way out of actual reality. These devs have all had plenty of hands on time with both consoles, and Ill take their words over any of the armchair devs here at N4G. Ignorance is apparently bliss.
http://www.videogamer.com/x...
http://www.escapistmagazine...
http://slumz.boxden.com/f13...
fr0sty  +   124d ago
Leave it up to armchair journalists at an unknown Xbox fansite to put words in Lorne's mouth when discussing the 2 next gen consoles. He never once said the difference would disappear. If you're going to quote the guy, at least get it right rather than distorting his words just to make a flame-bait headline.

"Getting comparable" "shaving down the difference" etc. does not equal parity, as the headline implies.

All it means is that the tools are getting better to enable better performance on one machine, however the same can be said of both machines since both have tools and drivers that are being upgraded constantly. PS4 isn't sitting still while Xbox One plays catch-up, both consoles are maturing from a development perspective.
BlackTar187  +   124d ago
I think Truefan1 is also on IGN. You guys should check those comments out.
NukaCola  +   124d ago
I got got give it the guy,

For a man who had a company run into the ground by MS, almost completely destroying everything he worked for and then continued to get crapped on for 2 gens on the Xbox, he is still an optimistic and nice guy. Is New and Tasty even coming to the Xbone?
Thunderhawkxbox  +   124d ago
@hatsune-miku woow u do know how to copy and paste lol
avidgamer1  +   124d ago
Lucas, I must ask you this seeing that you seem to know where the next level up in terms of graphics are going to be. Suppose the Xbox One do catch up to the PS4 in achieving 1080p 60fps in the future, you seem to think that by then the PS4 will be on a different level than that. Are we going to see 2160p 120fps? Mind you I am not a resolution expert or anything that is why I'm asking.
Bigpappy  +   124d ago
We must tank our supreme N4G engineer Mr. XHeavYx for his enlightening analysis. Luckily we have him here, be cause those lazy developers who make the games are a bunch of liars who have no idea what these things are capable of. Thanks . Again HeavY for your unbiased analysiss /s
Ju  +   124d ago
Too late already ...but since nobody seems to read the article allow me to quote the "important" section:

Oddworld Inhabitants is currently working on a from-the-ground-up remake of Oddworld: New ’n Tasty for PlayStation 4. Lanning is also in talks to bring the game to Xbox One, as part of the ID@Xbox program. Should he be successful, Lanning doesn't believe there will be any noticeable differences in performance between the different console versions.

“For us, we aren’t taxing it that heavy, like I say it’s not Battlefield,” he said. “For us, we don’t really see that we’ll have performance problems on either and we’ll be able to get what we want, with very dynamic looking lighting, particle effects, etc.”
v6volume  +   124d ago
"Cloud computing: The perfect One 2 punch. Exclusively for Microsoft"
You're welcome M$
kickerz  +   124d ago
Well I bought my xbox 1 for playing awesome games on and it's already delivered. I don't buy a console just so I can come on n4g and beat my chest in a spec war , because a) I'm not a developer or have a computer engineering degree b) think I know more then an actual game developer like this oddworld guy c) have better things to do
alexkoepp  +   124d ago
Sony fanboys be like:

You can't increase the hardware, the gap is never going to close cause the hardware will always be better... the gap is only going to get wider because... because... well its just going to get wider cause we said so.

the irony, can't close a gap because hardware is static but the gap can get bigger because the hardware is static. I think its fair to say that Xbox development has been a little tougher so far because of the custom architecture, but as developers learn it you will see more improvement from the early titles to later titles. Ps4 will improve also but their hardware is more straight forward, so developers are already tapping more potential, so you won't see the improvement as much. The gap is going to close, I'm sure not fully but I think well see multiplatforms performing almost identically as last generation, and exclusives will look fantastic on both
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Visiblemarc  +   124d ago
Yeah...fanboy arguments aside, this "promise of eventual parity" myth seems like total BS.
assdan  +   124d ago
Exactly. Every Argument saying the gap will close is already false.
The ps4 is stronger with direct ports.
Optimization with the esram is known to not make up for the difference no matter how hard they try.
We know devas don't try to achieve parity because they never have tried. Last gen, games looked better on one console or the othe other almost every time.
NewZealander  +   124d ago
look to the beginning of the 360, that chunky ugly white box, it didn't even have hdmi, it had that awful blade system, and the specs were well behind that of the ps3, slower ram etc.

if the 360 remained the same console from day one there would have been now way it could compete with ps3, but as history has shown us these consoles evolve a huge amount.

even with all its issues like RRoD and hardware that was well behind in terms of specs, the 360 kicked some major ass, to go in to this generation purely based on "on paper" performance gaps, is really quite blind.

what you get on launch day is most certainly not the same console you will be playing a few years from now.
kopicha  +   124d ago
its easy to make the gap disappear. gimp the PS4 version and make it the same as what it is done on X1. That's all needed. You cant change the hardware, let the software do the job.
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Geoff900  +   124d ago
@torchic

"you don't need to go to university and study computer engineering for 4 years to know that difference in power between PS4 and Xbox One will never reach a state of parity, especially due to the chasm between the two. hardware is exactly that, HARDware and can't change. software is more than capable of doing the job for Microsoft but not while the hardware gap between the two is initially this large.

I'm not sure what this dev is trying to pull here, very ODD indeed."

You need experience on development before telling everyone that something is more powerful, it's a bit like telling someone about how to decorate without actually done it yourself.

You keep on saying hardware, hardware that, haven't you realized yet, that hardware isn't the be all and all anymore?

You can have the most powerful servers in the world, but it's software which powers it, it's software which decides how much CPU, RAM, or even Graphics you utilize at any given time, hell even routers, switches utilize software now.

All industry powered hardware is software driven, you even have multi-core CPU's inside of routers/switches etc.

Why? because software decides what kind of performance you will get out of the hardware, look at the Xbox 360 and PS3 first few years they had lower than 720p resolution, many years after many 720p games started cropping up. This happened because of optimization of...you guessed it software.

"let's ignore your argument that software will bring performance and graphical parity, or as you suggested maybe even superiority to the Xbox One. let's talk about Microsoft's reputation for a bit, how much do you wanna bet that Microsoft is once again exaggerating the truth and DX12 will bring minimal gains to Xbox One? you guys don't learn do you? it's almost as if you enjoy being lied to by Microsoft."

I think you have this weird notion that the Xbox One and PS4 are more powerful than they actually are, they are both using mobile based CPU's, they are using old GPU's, they aren't all that powerful. They are more powerful than the prior gen, and you will see amazing looking games that's for sure, but there won't be as big as gap between both consoles.

They are using pretty much the same hardware, and like I said software is what drives hardware now not hardware.

Both consoles will get 1080p 60FPS, and with some differences, no big deal.

P.S just so you know, Sony lie as well, it's company you may want to stop sucking up all the company PR, and just get wit playing games.
Geoff900  +   124d ago
@Hatsune-Miku

Numbers, which I bet the majority of which don't really know what they actually mean.

Here's the thing which people who aren't software devs fail to comprehend, hardware isn't based on numbers not since multi-core CPU's came about, why? because you can have a dual core CPU running at 1.8Ghz, processing data slower than a 1.8 64Bit processor.

Hardware isn't as important as it once was, firmware, O.S, optimizations etc can be tweaked altered.

Although the hardware will never change, SOFTWARE is where things can and do change, DX12 will give developers better utilization of hardware, and MS will optimize the OS, alter the firmware etc, it will allow devs to utilize the Xbox One's hardware effectively.

People who preach about hardware all the time, need to actually develop games because are no longer about how powerful something supposedly is, you can find bottle necks, you can find problems in the OS etc which can all impede your software in some way.

The reality is about both consoles, is they aren't that much different from each other, one is using a software solution to things, the other is using a hardware solution.

So please stop bitching and play games.
gameon1985  +   124d ago
You would think with all the recent bad Sony news, their blindly loyal fans would stop talking shit. You idiots need to worry about if Sony is actually making any game at all... instead of the Xbox One catching up to it in power. This is why you people get no sympathy from xbox fans for bad Sony news, you try to trash the xbox at every turn. you refuse to believe that the xbox can match the PS4 in power, so if a dev claims that there will be no difference in the future you immediately claim they just want parity. That's as brain washed as brain wash can get. lets say that games are identical on both consoles in a year do you fools think the devs that where making better PS4 games since launch will just stop because of parity?
scott182  +   124d ago
Just so I am keeping up on this site.
-Resolution doesn't matter
-hardware isn't as important as it once was
-cloud power is better to have
-Microsoft is the best software company
-direct x is the best API
-Sony fans are mean and they lie

Am I up to date on everything?
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tubers  +   124d ago
Unless devs cop out or something.. like doing lazy stuff like minor PS4 differences when they could've shown a more substantial difference.

I think that'll happen.
Sarcasm  +   124d ago
Yup here we go again. The Xbox One is going to magically produce the obvious hardware disparity. For the millionth time, it's not a software issue, the hardware is simply like for like underpowered. It's an apples to apples comparison. A Radeon 7850 is faster than a Radeon 7790. It's 100% fact.
fr0sty  +   123d ago
Geez, the 'boys are getting pretty desperate, aren't they?

Software powers hardware, and without a perfect balance of the two you end up with reduced performance. In NO CASE WHATSOEVER will software upgrades cause hardware parity, unless the software for the other system sucks and does not ever improve, which is not the case.

People claim that software advances are causing X1 to catch up to PS4, ignoring the fact that PS4 is also advancing its software along the way too. In 4 years you'll see devs pushing PS4 in ways that nobody right now would ever dream to be possible. Nobody thought you'd see PS2 using normal maps, or PS3 using tessellation, but it happened due to software upgrades. They come to ALL systems, so to claim that a software upgrade will enable one system to catch up to the other is to assume that the other system won't be getting any upgrades along the way as well, which is false.
kreate  +   123d ago
it can disappear if MS does what they did with the 360.

if u want to release a game on the x1, u need to downscale ur game to the lowest common denominator which is the x1 so both platform will have identical specs.

and if developers are still scared of MS, than they will do so.

than it all goes back to sony's first party titles to show off the power of the ps4.

just like last gen.

lets see what happens.

but...

'Performance Gap Between Xbox One and PS4 Will Disappear, Says Oddworld Creator'

this statement if true, is also admitting that there is a performance gap between the 2 consoles.
dantesparda  +   121d ago
@morepowerofgreen & maniacmayhem

I love this nonsense of the X1 GPU being "heavily customized", well guess what, so is the PS4's and all customized means here, is weakened, it has half the ROPs, 50% less CUs, teraflops and texture units, more the 50% less shaders, GPixels and GTexels and ACEs.

Also the bandwidth on the PS4 is at least 40-50% better/higher in real life and the proof is in the games, which already show anywhere from 125% to 44% improvements in resolution and usually higher framerates

Also PS4 has True Audio which is dedicated HW, so there goes your so-called audio advantage. And the PS4's CPU performs better than the X1's so there goes their faster clock. DirectX12 isnt going to do much for X1 when its just using X1's low level API anyway, so where's the advantage? And Sony's API will also continue to improve too. But you fanboys keep hoping and falling for the hype and bullsh*t. But i guess i would too if i was desperate.

And to maniac, its not just the faster RAM, its also the faster GPU and better development tools. And the games say "hi", you know all the games that were 1080 on the PS4 but only 720 on the X1, what did they just should not to do it? Face reality guy.

And the X1 GPU only does 1.31TF total, 10% of which is reseverd for Kinect bringing that down to 1.18TF and if they give back the 8% they claimed then it'll be 1.28TF, compared to 1.843TF.

The PS4 has the X1 beat, face it
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XBOTTOX  +   124d ago
I honestly wonder what you guys think is inside of the ps4. Its custom architecture. Nobody knows what you can pull out of these boxes
Charybdis  +   124d ago
Yes and no. There is an general consensus of what is in these boxes based on teardowns and tech sheets its possible to determine performance of these boxes in theory, however real world performance might not approximate the theoretical max performances. Hardware wise by now it should be pretty easy to see that ps4 has the hardware advantage.

With the custom software devs are able to pull out more and will be able to use some hardware specific tricks,for example using certain gpu calculations.
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XBOTTOX  +   124d ago
I'm not really trying to be an argumentative fanboy but I have to disagree. The spec sheets don't mean a thing.

This is custom architecture through and through. There is no gaming rig with 8gbs of gddr5 by itself, there is pretty much nothing with esramn it. These GPUs are deriviants from a line of gaming cards but they are not PC gaming cards.

The whole APU thing in general is new, you haven't seen a game engine written for these new consoles and you don't know how the internals work.

Simple logic will tell you these consoles have not been pushed. I mean wouldn't that mean the Xbox one has a gig of gddr5 too since you think its a straight forward gpu?

And I just read your comment from earlier you seem uberly fanboyish Lool. 3os precious resources bottlenecks troll
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Illusive_Man  +   124d ago
PS4 is pretty much off the shelf parts.

http://www.kitguru.net/comp...

XBOTTOX there are workstations and very high end rigs with GDDR5. There is nothing with ESRAM.
DeathOfTheFanBoy  +   124d ago | Well said
For me the main reason I bought the xb1 first is simply the fact I prefer MS exclusives, the graphical disparity's are minimal so I really don't mind aslong as I get to play KI, Forza, Ryse, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Max the curse of brotherhood, Titanfall, Dead Rising, Zoo Tycoon, Halo, Gears of War, D4, Project Spark, Fable, Below, Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare etc I'm very happy with my decision, Sony has literally one game I am interested in and that's it! (The Order) much more fun for me to have the xb1 for the time being.
andrewsqual  +   124d ago
Lol you love "a" Insomniac Games game enough to put it on your list, a game that has no information but a CGI trailer and so that is a reason you got a Microsoft Xbox One console? Hey why stop there, you left games like Lococycle off that list.
I think this is the very reason to never ever pick up an Xbox console mate and they WILL do it again http://i.imgur.com/LknAc0R.... NEVER FORGET.

But hey, just like with 360 like you said, as long as the endless cycle of "Microsoft Exclusives" continue i.e Forza, Gears, Fable and Halo for the next 7 years, why wouldn't you pick an Xbone up. Just next time please don't list all the other games that you haven't and have no intention of ever purchasing given your taste.
T2  +   124d ago
haha you are interested in zoo tycoon and sunset overdrive, project spark and others but you have zero interest in
uncharted, driveclub, project cars vr, little big planet, rhime, rapture, or many others that sony does as well or better.... LOL... yes that makes total sense. this is where fanboys get a bad name, this post right here.
you love all sorts of games, but only the "sorts" of games MS makes, how interesting please tell me more /s
nifonge  +   124d ago
@andrewsqual and @joecanada... you two are joking me right? He's listing games he interested in just like everyone else does on this site... it's called preference. You want to act like people here don't list Sony exclusives that might or might not be real or just CGI trailers that they are "interested" in. People here are extremely interested in Uncharted 4 yet we've seen nothing on it.
valet_Smerdyakov  +   124d ago
Wow, what a coincidence - you love every single existing and upcoming xbone game! Are you sure you didn't forget Powerstar Golf? I bet you were a big Insomniac fan when they developped exclusively for PS3 as well. ;-) Is your name an allusion to you commiting suicide... should I be worried?
frostypants  +   124d ago
Dude, you just listed whatever exclusive games you could find. You're not really excited about freaking "Zoo Tycoon". Seriously...be honest...
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voodoochild346  +   124d ago
You've exposed yourself as a Microsoft fanboy when you listed gears of war as an anticipated title. No one who isn't a rabid fanboy would still be excited for the gears franchise after rifles of war 3 and "4 map" judgment.
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McScroggz  +   124d ago
It's statements like these that make me chuckle. You prefer the Xbox One's current and announced exclusives more than the PS4's? That's fine. No argument there.

But when you list basically every exclusive, including stuff like Max the Curse of Brotherhood, and go on to say there is literally only one game for the PS4 you're interested in it's just silly. Just admit that you bought the Xbox One because you are a Microsoft fanboy and move along. Trying to hide it makes it worse...
joab777  +   124d ago
If it does then Sony is sleeping at the wheel. The hardware will always have a significant advantage. Yes, optimization will help xbone get better...but it will also help Sony. Lets not forget what their studios have been able to do with more similar hardware.
Fantangoooo  +   124d ago
my thoughts exactly its not like Sony is gonna be waiting for microsoft to Upgrade and they wont improve themselves look at ps3, early gen and last of Us at the of it. Thus just MS would improve so would ps4 which would still win as i see it. The hardware is head and shoulders superior to X1. Thats just a fact.
nosferatuzodd  +   124d ago | Funny
yeah and pigs will fly next Tuesday.. also uncharted is coming to xbox1.. and halo is going to the ps4.. yeah and the big foot monster is on display in NYC.. yeah and it will rain chocolate bars on Sundays, and we get an SOS from a distant galaxy with technology that rival the gods.. OK and America just won the world cup soccer tournament yeah and the moon isn't real its a figment of our imagination and they just discover that fairies and leprechauns are real and usain bolt is a white man in disguise and black ppl figured out how to fly
stuna1  +   124d ago
Man you should do stand up! Now this is what a funny comment is! Bubbles lmao to the point of tears.
incredibleMULK  +   124d ago
they can fly....but can they swim yet? They're always huddled up in the shallow end.
ZombieDust  +   124d ago
Its actually a $10 difference with x1 being cheaper. If you really put your mind to it you will figure that one out.
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Kingnichendrix  +   124d ago
yeah, no it isn't...
ZombieDust  +   124d ago
I wasnt suggesting whats a better deal or value... but yeah the xbox is currently cheaper if you plan on playing AAA title, which is usually the case (dont knkw why youd go next gen just for outlast or resogun, not denying their fun though) ... Denying is either fanboy rage or delusion.
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stuna1  +   124d ago
The only way the performance gap will disappear, is that developers across the boards institute industry wide parity! There's just one thing wrong with a plan like that! Sony's 1st party studios or any studio doing an exclusive title for Sony.

The gap in technical specifications are an undeniable truth!

Now of course if a developer makes a claim like this one also has to look at his motive behind a statement as such! Perhaps to sell well on both platforms. Although the possibility exist for games to become better optimized to do 1080p/60 fps, what about e extras that come along with that? Physics, global illumanation, particle effects,detructiable environments, day and simulation, weather simulation, etc, etc etc.
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Evilsnuggle  +   124d ago
Xbone fanBoys can dream the gap between PS4 vs xbone will never close. Does that mean that xbone will never run games at 1080p no. Xbone is weak hardware and has lower expectations . This is next-gen and xbone is shooting for all games in 1080p. Now all games are already in 1080p on PS4. The PS4 is trying to boost games frame-rates higher than 30fps to 60fps. The xbone will never run games at 1080p 60fps the hardware is to weak for that. The only game that are in 1080p 60fps on xbone is sport games. Because there is less things to render. Sport games are plain open environment Or static graphics like Forza5. The xbone doesn’t have the power to run a open world game at 1080p 60fps. It's 4 months and games are running in 1080p 60fps on PS4. Deep down 3d open world looks amazing on PS4 it runs 1080p 60fps. The PS4 has more GPU advantages than xBone . The PS4 has 400 % more ACEs PS4 8 xbone 2 ACEs. The PS4 double the ROPs PS4 32 ROPs vs 16 ROPs Xbone. PS4 has HUMA and xbone doesn’t have HUMA Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access. The xbone doesn’t have Uniform Memory Access because xbone doesn’t have Uniform Memory it has 32Esram. These differences are going to widened the gap between PS4 vs xbone. ND is optimizing PS4 memory system and using HUMA on PS4 . ND said that the PS4 can easily run games at 1080p 60fps. The PS4 1 party games are going to crush games on xbone. Look at infamous SS , Killzone Sf and The Order 1886 All true next-gen game. The xbone has one game that looks next-gen that's ryse. Ryse is a QTE auto kills button mashing with crappy game play ported from kinect.
truefan1
Killzone Sf multiplayer is in full 1080p 60fps and its a launch title

DeathOfTheFanBoy
I respect that you like The reason why you choose Xbone is it's exclusive games. I own a 360 and I hate Microsoft exclusives . They are all third-party shooters and Americanize action games. I prefer Sony exclusive . I think DeathOfTheFanBoy has a valid reason why he prefer xbone.
http://n4g.com/news/1476687...
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randomass171  +   124d ago
PS4 has much better specs than Xbox One, that's definitely for sure. Doesn't mean all developers plan to take advantage of that. If you're going to argue against "Xbox fanboys" or Lorne Lanning, take the time to understand what is being said here.
lulumink  +   124d ago
This is bullshit. Performance gap will disappear means that XBone is catching up and PS4 remains on the spot. If Xbone tries to improve, there is no reason that PS4 won't try the same. Sorry, Oddworld is not a tech leading game design firm despite I liked their games back in 1997.
amnalehu  +   124d ago
@nifonge I totally agree. Even if they were both $399 the PS4 would still be the better value. how someone could disagree with facts boggles the mind.
nifonge  +   124d ago
I'm used to it... it's generally because I used basic math... 1 + 1 does not equal 2 here.
Baccra17  +   124d ago
The gap will dissappear. Just give MS a little bit of time to find that magical fairy dust and the gap will dissappear just like that.
TheTwelve  +   124d ago
Will the X1 magically grow new hardware muscles?
Kingnichendrix  +   124d ago
You can download better hardware from then internet ;)
lelo  +   124d ago
So much fuss about the hardware... when you guys should care more about the exclusives.

Typical fanboys...
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2pacalypsenow  +   124d ago
well the article is about the hardware...
t-hall785  +   124d ago
50 dollar gap but comes with kinect and a free game. It's a better deal right now actually
StrawberryDiesel420  +   124d ago
Haha that's pretty subjective and easily up for debate. I'm not going near the Bone until it's $350 and has some amazing games I can't live without. Then, maybe they will see my money, just maybe....
imt558  +   124d ago
Kojima said before :

"PS4 and Xbone POWER DIFFERENCE IS MINIMAL..."

http://www.videogamer.com/x...

John Carmack said before similar thing!

Difference WILL DISAPEAR!!??

WHERE AND WHEN????

I don't see it in future.
Kingnichendrix  +   124d ago
Yes and its shown in Kojima's game, you know the one with better graphics on ps4?
McScroggz  +   124d ago
Well, Kojima later stated that Ground Zeroes looks much better on the PS4 and even made a video showing the differences between the different versions. The fact is the PS4 is more powerful in almost ever way and is more streamlined for developing. The Xbox One may improve it's SDK more than the PS4 and subsequently "reduce the gap" so to speak, but there will always be a difference between the two.

If the developers don't take advantage of the extra horsepower on the PS4, that doesn't mean that it isn't more powerful.
nucky64  +   124d ago
agreed, nifonge. and anyways, for an answer to this question, i'd rather have the opinion of a developer that matters - and lorne lanning is NOT one of them.
system22  +   124d ago
You Guys need to learn more about the hardware of both systems. The ps4 is NOT 50% more powerful than the x1 as people keep saying. You can't just take the number of cores/gpu/compute/ and multiply it and have a linear power scale. I am not disputing that in addition to the PS4 being more powerful it is also easier to develop for on account of the architecture of the x1 (small chunk of esram, big chunk of ddr3 etc) what I am disputing is the amount of the power. The differences in power are actually not that big and I think the point of this article is that those differences in power will be imperceivable to a majority of users as dev tools, familiarity and skill of devs increase over the span of the consoles. Also, the x1's cloud ability is very real no matter how many close minded fanboys laugh at it, and it too will only be able to offer more power and ability to the console as it grows. I don't see huge mind blowing differences between the two consoles as is now and I own both. Its not like I go from the ps4 to the x1 and it looks like a console from 15 years ago. Ryse is still a visually more impressive game to me than even Infamous (which I own both). I know Ryse is only 900p (1600x 900) but it still looks damn good - even if it is kind of a crap game. Besides - if you are so hardcore about resolution and framerate, you shouldn't be on consoles period. You break out the wallet and you buy a PC. You'll be laughing at 1080p/60 fps.
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Eddie20101  +   124d ago
If one console is already better hard ware and software wise and they both improve over time, the one that started out better will always be the better system.

Oddworld isn't pushing any boundaries, it's not a game that you would measure next gen systems by. It will be a great game because it was already a great game when it was on PS1.

Lorn Lanning does a lot of flip flopping when come to his opinions on consoles, he's just being a PR man for his game.
Trekster_Gamer  +   124d ago
Xbox One does a helluva lot more, besides having a better game library. The ps4 is nothing more than a glorified ps3.

Of course this site is riddled with fanboys. N4g flames the fire by mingling comments for each system.
Eddie20101  +   124d ago
They could put Shoots and Ladders on Xbox one you would say the same thing.

Your dumb enough to think you are not a fanboy.

PS4 has 28 games that rate 75 and above on Metacritic and a total of 49 games. Most third party games run and look better on PS4. Fact not fiction.

Xbox One has 14 games that rate 75 and above on Metacritic and a total of 36 games.
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Bdub2000  +   124d ago
The gap will never disappear! There is no chance in hell that the PS4 could ever match the X1!!!
Bdub2000  +   124d ago
By disagreeing, you are admitting that the x1 is more powerful and you think the ps4 could match the x1... LOL.
Eddie20101  +   124d ago
By not facing reality and writing a stupid comment, you are showing how much of a fanboy retard you are.
marcofdeath  +   124d ago
There are many people that spread misinformation about the two machines. I would like to address just two of them today. I will first start with the PS4 memory system.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

The PS4 memory system.
GDDR5 176GB/s System Memory Bus 256bits wide
Available on one bus called garlic.
Let's compare this to the memory system for a HD 7970 GPU.
HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide

As you can see here the HD 7970 has a slight edge in both gigabytes per second and bit rate or how wide the data structure is. Now let's add the Xbox 360's Edran Memory to logic.

HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide
360 EDRAM 256GB/s 128bits wide

At this point you should start to see a pattern the EDRAM although fast is performing at a much lower bit rate of exactly how that of the PlayStation 4 so it would not be the better performer.I will now add one more example of stacked RAM low end from AMD's upcoming future GPU.

Stacked 150GB/s 1028bits wide
HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide
360 EDRAM 256GB/s 128bits wide

Here you can see that the stacked RAM has a slower gigabytes per second but what it dominates in the bit rate of 3.5X more than the 7970 4X of the PS4 and 5X of the 360 edran.Now for the Xbox ones complicated memory system which acted this you will understand why there is room to grow because you have a great amount of bandwidth left where in PS4 you do not.

I will start with the hot chips slide.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Please read this article thoroughly everything I say is implicitly backed up by this article and the video of Xbox one with major Nelson. We start with the fact that Xbox one memory controllers act as one. The GPU can simultaneously access both pools of memory.
I will not use peak rates and only will use real world numbers, caution may be higher.

Esram 160GB/s 4x 256bits wide = 1024bits wide +
DDR 3 50GB/s 4x 64bits wide = 256bits wide =

XB1 210GB/s 1280bits wide
Stacked 150GB/s 1028bits wide
HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide
360 EDRAM 256GB/s 128bits wide

Why else in the rise PDF of techniques to make the game did the programmer say "Target hardware not as powerful as high-end PC at launch."
http://www.crytek.com/downl...
At E3 the beast will awaken.

Now I will go into the complexity of Xbox ones memory system all backed up by the hotchips slides in conjunction with the DF articles.
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Kingnichendrix  +   124d ago
Are you Kidding me... the 7970 has almost 4 terraflops the xbox one and ps4 dont even have that combined...
marcofdeath  +   124d ago
Facts are facts the math will not change. Right now MS has to get the SDK right but you saw a 4TF pc running FMS5 and it did not maintain 60FPS as XB1 did. XB1 has the highest BW and room to get better.
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DarkHeroZX  +   124d ago
xboxachievements.com

hmm.... I wonder.....

Na this site couldn't be biased.
ThatOneGuyThere  +   124d ago
I often wonder why people assume that there arent some game engineers on this site...I found out about this site at work, from a fellow dev.. On topic: there is a hardware difference. that cant change via software. that isnt how it works. thats all. yes the xb1 will get better over time. the same is true for the ps4. it wont close. thats silly PR talk.
gamer7804  +   124d ago
its really 10$ cheaper to get an xbox providing you want one of the 2 flagship games, forza or titnalfall. But it could be you don't want those games and would rather have infamous, then its not a better deal, but to say flat out its a better deal to get either of the 2, its just wrong.
Matt666  +   123d ago
i wonder how many of you supported the 360 and didn't like the ps3, then jumped ship, does it matter about the performance, no as long as you enjoy the games that are exclusive to that console
The_Infected  +   124d ago
Wow you mean I can get "almost" the same graphics as PS4 on a $100 more expensive console? /s
Neonridr  +   124d ago
$50 ;)
The_Infected  +   124d ago
Maybe $50 on sale. The price drop isn't official yet is it?
No_Limit  +   124d ago
Actually the XB1 is cheaper at $390 if you minus the $60 game and throw in a free camera with it. Went to the MS store last night and there was a sign that say, "new price of $499 with Titanfall or Forza 5". It is as official as it gets. I think the price will start roll out to all retailers within a couple of weeks and made official after the NPD in March.
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joab777  +   124d ago
Its irrelevant if the xbone gets cheaper or includes a game. They will be taking a bigger loss in hopes that they can recoup later. Also, it opens the window for Sony to use a price drop next yr to even further outsell them.

If MS were smart, they would have used 8gb of ddr5 ram and sold for $400 just like Sony...without the Kinect. Then tell everyone about thenew amazing kinect that they r working on. Soend another yr and reveal at e3 2014 and let ppl choose to buy it.

Then...Sony would be playing catchup.
torchic  +   124d ago
@no_limit

the PS4 is cheaper if you throw out its superior GPU and replace it with the weak GPU in the Xbox One.

see we can all play that game, even if it's a really lame game.
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StrawberryDiesel420  +   124d ago
It's actually funny how M$ have to drop the price as TitanFall was supposedly the system seller that would move Bones off the shelves. Now it's a free game packaged in and the system is $50 cheaper, I smell desperation...
SmilingAdvocate  +   124d ago
Agreed - the xbone should be cheaper than the ps4 with that hardware. No if's, no but's
Death  +   124d ago
You can get "almost" the same graphics on the XBox One for $50-$100 more, but you will never get Kinect suuport/integration with the PS4 no matter the cost.
BigErn  +   124d ago
...exactly the reason many chose a ps4 over xbox 1
ShowGun901  +   124d ago
...promise?
ThanatosDMC  +   124d ago
What good did Kinect ever do for you?
Major_Glitch  +   124d ago
@Death
1) *facepalm*
2) Why would anyone want to pay more for weaker graphics?
3) Kinect?! Nobody cares about Kinect, and if Sony fans did, they could just pick up the PS Eye for the PS4.
4) Project Morpheus > Kinect
5) *facepalm*

I swear, you MS fans don't even seem like you're trying anymore.
Death  +   124d ago
What good did Kinect ever do for me? Other than the voice controls to turn it on and off, Skype with my international friends has been very nice. I don't use the fitness apps nearly as much as I would like, but my kids have had a blast using Kinect on both the 360 and now the Xbox One. I am looking forward to how Kinect is used in the future to make gaming more immersive. If that never happens I will be disappointed, but having a 100% attach rate should help make it happen.

@Major_Facepalm,
I don't think anyone wants to pay more for weaker graphics. Most people buy consoles to play games. I can't play games like Halo, Forza, Titanfall, and Dead Rising on a PS4 anymore than I can play Infamous, Uncharted, or Killzone on my Xbox One. If you were hitting yourself in the head a little less, you might be bale to figure that out.

Nobody cares about Kinect? I am impressed you speak for so many people. Thanks for sharing such insight with those of us that are clearly less informed.

PSEye will never reach the same level of support as Kinect since it is an accessory.

Project Morpheus isn't out, has no price point and is not included in the PS4 box. It also needs the PS camera to track it's position. The only thing we know so far is it will not be out this year and shouldn't cost $1000. http://www.gamespot.com/art...
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scott182  +   124d ago
^
And the X1 controller will never have a touchpad and light bar, which add about the same level of immersion to any game as the Kinect...
Neonridr  +   124d ago
the touchpad and lightbar are useless in my opinion, and I own a PS4. The lightbar has its uses when being used in conjunction with the Camera, however it does not make me feel more immersed in a game because the light changes colour or it flickers if I have a torch out.

And what do we use the touchpad for? in BF4 you click it to bring up your Battlelog.
Death  +   124d ago
lol, that's a good one Scott.

Except for the fact the PS4 Eye is the hottest selling and most sought after accessory the PS4 has. http://www.polygon.com/2014...
scott182  +   124d ago
@Neonridr

It is used about as much as the Kinect and adds about as much as the Kinect for games, that's all I was saying. I'm not saying that the potential is as high as Kinect's or the eye itself, I'm just saying it's used about as much and adds about as much. Just look at Tomb Raider on PS4 and X1 for example.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I think Virtual Reality is what is really going to add to the enjoyment of gaming though.
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T2  +   124d ago
In Canada the xbox is actually cheaper if you factor in the game and camera, but I pay more for better products so just picked up my ps4 two days ago... stacks of them on reserve at the store, all reserved and spoken for.
Neonridr  +   124d ago
especially since the PS4 just took a $50 price jump here in Canada.
Neonridr  +   124d ago
Can't see anything changing really. As developers learn the ins and outs of the Xbox One and are able to do more with it, the same can be said about the advancements using the PS4.

Because the PS4 started with more juice, there will always be a higher ceiling for PS4 software.
Volkama  +   124d ago
But neither platform will ever reach the ceiling.

PS3 and 360 are not at their respective ceilings. If those consoles were still the focus for another 3 years then the current bar would be raised still further.

If the One really did start in such a poor state as some people claim then it makes sense that the gap will close. Not likely it'll catch or surpass the PS4, but stranger things have happened.
Dudebro90  +   124d ago
Ps3 and 360 are at their ceilings. Dev have been trying to put more advanced effects for awhile now, but just cant do it without sacrificing something somewhere.
Volkama  +   124d ago
They're pushed hard, but you can't really say they're at their ceiling until you can perceive that the visual quality has plateaued. That's not the case, TLOU and GTAV were technically superior to anything before them.

If Naughty Dog made TLOU2 on the ps3 and it was the same quality as TLOU, then you could say that's a ceiling reached.

I think Carmack commented that there was still many years left before it'd be impossible to improve those platforms.

I'm not saying this makes the PS4's raw hardware advantage irrelevant or less significant, just pointing out that the ceiling isn't an absolute answer because it will not be reached.
ShowGun901  +   124d ago
the "ceiling" is an abstract, because it all comes down to who's using it... just like a cars specs, an inferior car might get a better lap time if it has a better driver. ND can push the ps3 further than other devs, but most devs have reached the limit of the last-gen about 2 years ago IMO...

examples: dark souls 1 & 2 look graphically similar, so much so that you could probably trick someone. dynasty warriors 7 & 8 look similar. Halo 3 & 4.

you MIGHT get a super talented team that MIGHT squeeze 5% more outta these machines, but really, you're only gonna get so much out of half a gig of ram...
ThanatosDMC  +   124d ago
Carmack, again? When was the last time did that guy make a decent game?
Death  +   124d ago
You are assuming both came out of the box with the same learning curve. How many devs have prasied ease of development on the PS4? How many devs complained about the complex eSram?
torchic  +   124d ago
go home Death, your arguments are lame.

in fact, your argument blew up right in your face. 360 was easier to code for than PS3 and despite PS3 being more powerful, in the hands of multiplat devs 360 almost always came out on top.

this generation, PS4 is easier to code for AND more powerful. beating the learning curve for Xbox One will only bring it to its initial theoretical performance, it won't add to the power and performance initially available.
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Volkama  +   124d ago
His argument is not lame, you just don't like it because it leverages your own points against you.

If the XBox One is so hard to develop for and the PS4 so easy then you can expect greater improvements from the XBox, therefore the gap will be closed to some extent. That's pretty simple logic.

Your own argument should be that the PS4 has loads of untapped potential because GPCompute has not been mastered, but if you want to fly that flag then you should be aware that you cannot carry your "PS4 is easy to develop for!" flag at the same time.
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Death  +   124d ago
@torchic,

That was only true for the first year or two as middleware improved on the PS3 and devs became more comfortable with the platform. As time went by, the PS3 became the lead platform for many third party games which made them look and play as good if not better than their 360 counterpart. The system really shined with Uncharted and the Last of Us at the end of the generation.
scott182  +   124d ago
One could argue that the X1 is not nearly as difficult to try and learn as the ps3 was, because all the tech in it is basically standard, just set up in a strange way.

The PS3 was unique because when devs did figure out how to program for each individual SPU they got a lot more out of the processor and were able to improve games performance. But it never negated the GPU advantage of the 360, even though it wasn't as dramatic of a difference as it is this gen between the two gpu's, the 360's was always stronger and had better shading the entire gen.

The ps3 vs. x1 is not a good comparison, because the performance boost from learning how SPU's function is not the same as milking a tiny bit of ram.
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Kakashi Hatake  +   124d ago
So less powerful specs will suddenly be as good as more powerful specs. Seems Legit...
boeso  +   124d ago
I think he means people will come to accept it, people will stop talking about it. Gap disappears. Maybe.
No_Limit  +   124d ago
No it won't, it will only get larger say unknown insiders at Neogaf and tweet an hour later!

But seriously, the PS4 should always be a bit stronger due to a better GPU and a faster Ram set, can't deny that but both should improve over time and some amazing stuff will be seen.
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Computersaysno  +   124d ago
Gotta love that magic to make inferior graphics hardware much faster.

Oh wait, that's not magic, it's called gimping one version
T2  +   124d ago
LOL ya, now when this developer comes out with their game and they both look the same, we already know why.... ps4 is basically a custom pc, no excuse for making smooth ports except pure incompetence or moneyhat
ThanatosDMC  +   124d ago
No, it's called Cloud powerz from the Smokes and Mirrors faeries.
sic_chops  +   124d ago
M$: "Hey Lorne, here's 20 grand. Thanks for making it sound good."
Fireseed  +   124d ago
So let me get this straight... the guy who's making a game on the PS4 first and not bothering to release it on the Xbox simultaneously... is being moneyhatted by MS...

Do you just throw that term at whatever you don't like?
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SixtyNine  +   124d ago
“I think they’ve been improving the toolset really fast, improving the development environment and shaving that curve down… I think they’re getting comparable.”

They've always been comparable. It'll just take others a bit more time to realize that.
svoulis  +   124d ago
SO ...somehow overtime the weaker console will grow better hardware, and Magically be on PAR with the already more powerful console?

Hm, I firmly believe software drives hardware (look at games like GTAV and you'll understand) but honestly, The gap is far to wide this time around to warrant that kind of wishful thinking. Take it as you will but buy the system you want for the games you want to play, or do what I did and accept the fact that PS4 is more powerful and just enjoy both(meaning buy both).
incendy35  +   124d ago
To be honest, X1 already feels more powerful. The multitasking is pretty amazing, especially during March Madness haha. The multiplats play pretty much exactly the same, just you can do more on X1 due to the multitasking nature.

On paper, maybe PS4 is more powerful, but until they actually start delivering experiences that show off the power that is useless.
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Hicken  +   124d ago
Sounds like PR speak.
Dlacy13g  +   124d ago
Or talk from a developer whom many here just days ago praised tons of love for because of his very frank no bs attitude.
maniacmayhem  +   124d ago
Hilarious, anyone who says anything to paint MS's console on par with PS4 is automatically labeled PR talk from most on this site.

Any dev who praises the PS4 has the most powerful machine ever is speaking the truth and is a hero.

Lord forbid anyone just speak the truth. What would this developer lose? Especially when MS put this company through hell according to past stories.

Stop being bias, read and think about what this person is saying.
I call Bullshit!! Meh...
CJDUNCAN  +   124d ago
Maybe it's me but the disparity only seems to be graphical in nature. Is the gameplay different at all? No, beyond console specific content.

When X1 games begin doing 1080p on a regular basis what will be the issue then? We get it the price doesn't seem to suggest better. People want to get the bang for their buck and that's with everything they purchase. But the PS4 extremists make it seem like it's impossible for the X1 to have a multi-plat game that looks and plays just as good on the PS4. Or that the X1 will gimp games for the PS4.

By all accounts it's just not true, even the launch games showed that even at a lower resolution the X1 can look gorgeous and play at a smooth frame rate.

Why did most reviewers of Battlefield 4 think it looked better on the X1 when it had a higher resolution on the PS4?

So as the parity decreases, do what we should've been doing...enjoying the games regardless of your platform of choice.
2cents  +   124d ago
He stated that oddworld is not battlefield so they are not pushing the hardware that far, also that they will be able to achieve the look they are aiming for on both consoles.

I find the Sony defence force so sensitive. Bless them.

But but but... were still more powerful right? RIGHT???

As if the world would end If the xbox one managed equal output in multiplat games.
BigErn  +   124d ago
The world won't end, because that won't happen :)
2cents  +   124d ago
Bazinga!!!

:)
Budobear  +   124d ago
He doesn't actually talk about the difference in the end results graphics wise, all he talks about is the difference in getting stuff onto the console.
He says it was quicker on the PS4 but now the xboxone has systems in place to help its just as quick to get the stuff on there.
I think the difference in looks will get closer but if they are developed to the max for each console they will never be exactly the same.
pornflakes  +   124d ago
Graphics GAP will be LOW just like last gen in the multiplatform sector

But this gen, there is one difference. Devs are choosing more and more the PS4 since the hardware is easier to develope for. With the more Power, PS4 will always bring FULL HD picture while the xONe will maybe stay at 720 - 900p, depending on the Engine.

Its good for Microsoft that with DX12 they will give devs the option to easily port a game from PC to the xBox one and more optimization tools.

Remember also, that the bigger TV you have the bigger difference from HD ready to Full HD is noticable.

If you play like me on a 32 inch TV you wont see ANY difference. But nowadays PPL buy at least 46 inch TVS

Sony did all right in this gen expect the low batterie life in the DS4 controller :)
MegaDan  +   124d ago
Sellout devs giving Xbots false hope.
GDDR5 > DDR3
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corroios  +   124d ago
Of course it will. The power of the cloud, the magic of the Esram, with the dual GPU, the new SDK, and the DX12.

This all combined will allow Halo 5 in 4k/120frames/3D
taiyed80  +   124d ago
lots of funny, uninformed comments here
DEEBO  +   124d ago
Read the article 1st before you comment,he said his game is not taxing the hardware like battlefield 4 so the game will look the same and the x1 and the ps4 are like the ps2(x1) and xbox(ps4). the hardware is set in stone and ps4 is the better then the x1 when it comes to running games.

Sure developers are going to get better at coding but still there will always be a difference.

Why do people always talk about the x1's games like they are GOTY titles?
I played ryse,ki,titanfall and dead rising 3 and they are not all of that.

I have two games for my x1 titanfall and ki and they are fun but nothing special.
staticdash22  +   124d ago
Oh, that makes sense. The game is not taxing the hardware
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ybadr  +   124d ago
Lol, Does this dude understand what Hardware means ?
paulogy  +   124d ago
Remember, an ease of development gap closing is not the same as a game performance gap closing...
paulogy  +   117d ago
To this end, that developer has now replied saying this very thing:
"I spoke to Lorne afterwards and what he meant when speaking to that guy was that budgets, schedules and perceivable differences would narrow, NOT that the Xbox One performance is improving to align with PS4, that is just physically impossible."
http://www.worldsfactory.ne...
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mochachino  +   124d ago
All it means is that devs will be working harder to make the xone version equal instead of getting the best out of BOTH consoles.
Father__Merrin  +   124d ago
ps4 is simply physically more powerful speced console,

there is nothing Xbox can ever do about that, nothing, no matter how hard you try you will never never never ever compete

it's best if that's just accepted tbh, otherwise the truth will keep on hurting
04STIBluByU  +   124d ago
MS fans need to calm down because Sony fans never said you wouldn't ever get 1080p. 1080p will happen but at what cost? Framerate, particle effects, AA, MSAA, Treseffect, little things here and there is what will make up the differences between the two consoles because of the DDR3 and 32MB of eSRAM vs DDR5. MS fans just need to be happy in their purchase and stop worrying about superiority! Your not the best or fastest, just be happy with what you chose to get and stop being in denial. #DealWithIt!
SixtyNine  +   124d ago
Neither of the consoles are as capable as you'd like to think. They aren't scalable like a full fledged PC is. The hardware in PS4 and ONE are concrete, and will never change.

Measures are also taken to achieve high resolution and frame-rates on PS4 too. infamous is 30FPS, BF4 is running 900P on PS4, not saying that any of this is bad, because Performance and stability over anything else is logical.
cruzngta  +   124d ago
Gentlemen let us all not forget about the one variable in this game that will inevitably keep MS and it's XB1 in this graphics battle till doomsday and that is.....
SECRET SAUCE!!!! Yeah ok. Forget all that. PS4 is and ALWAYS will be more powerful and will get better in time and INCREASE it's advantages on the Bone. I also own both machines and enjoy them for what they are but I am not delusional or biased. I can honestly tell anyone the PS4 is superior but I love certain games that only Xbox One will deliver. In the end gamers all win. Both are great but PS4 is the true NEXT GEN machine.
Gamer666  +   124d ago
Really, these two consoles are "tuned" to be strong in different ways...

PS4 is tuned for graphical improvements.

X1 is tuned for gameplay improvements.

You can see this from the launch lineup. Sony was touting 1080p / 60 fps in much the same gameplay we have seen since last generation. Microsoft was talking about DR3 zombie numbers/uniqueness onscreen, Forza Drivatars, etc.
curtis92  +   124d ago
PS4 isn't tuned for gameplay improvements? That really sounds like MS justification for weaker hardware.
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Gamer666  +   124d ago
So what gameplay improvements have we seen in the PS4 games to date that have not been implemented in other games recently?

OK. I'll stretch and give you the KZ Drone... We haven't seen that type of drone in another game.

But, look at X1... Drivatars in Forza are very cool and to my knowledge no other game has attempted to take people's gameplay, analyze it, and then put it other gamer's game worlds as AI. Also, name one zombie game that has as many zombies onscreen at once as DR3. And name another shooter that combines the mech and FPS world like Titanfall. Next will be Kinect Sports Rivals where it will scan you and create a virtual you in the game.

Microsoft has focused their exclusives on gameplay changes. Sony has focused theirs on graphics...

I'm not saying one is better than the other. This is an observation of the types of things we are seeing from the two consoles. Sony is rabid about graphics because that is what PS4 is really good at... MS is rabid about changes to gameplay which is what they've designed their console to do...

MS will improve their graphical abilities as the generation rolls on and Sony will improve their gameplay innovations as the generation rolls on.

That is great for gamers on both sides!
curtis92  +   124d ago
if it disappears then we only have devs like Rocksteady to thank for it. Better specs are better specs.

Parity kills better specs. Ask PC gamers.
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