NowGamer: "Rocksteady explains why Batman: Arkham Knight could only work on PS4, Xbox One and PC and is giving Wii U, Xbox 360 and PS3 a pass."
"All these things could only be done on next gen!", will this become the norm!?
It better, otherwise games will just be PS3/360 games with improved visuals.
to me Wii U doesn't need this type of games. if it released on Wii U and PS3 i would have bought the PS3 version. Wii U is more a family get together console and does that brilliantly. Mario Kart 8 for example will outshine Batman all versions combined. I absolutely love Batman games but just to say that the audience and expectations aren't the same.
But you just said it, they will be exactly the same, but with better visuals. Who truly believes, that Wii U is not powerful enough for a Arkham game? It is about money, nothing else, they just want to smear sugar around your mouth.
The wii-u is last gen as far as power goes.
B-b-b-but the Wii U is "technically" next-gen since it comes after the Wii! Technically does not matters Nintendo fans; graphically matters! Now do you see it how much hardware matters and how much PS4/Xbone are ahead of Wii U when it continues to miss on games one after another? @abzdine Sour grapes much? The Wii U needs every game that it can get. Without third party support Nintendo home consoles will always be doomed to a niche status and being just a Mario/Zelda player. Mario and Zelda have lost their charm and we do not see people running out to buy Nintendo home consoles to play them any more. PS4 outsold Wii U lifetime sales in just 3 months without any games and at a higher price which shows the lack of consumer interest in the Wii U. Nintendo needs modern games for their home consoles that appeal to modern gamers. Nintendo and its fans believe we are the best, we do not need to change, we have the most refined tastes in gaming and we have the best games. It is that kind of proud, stubborn and arrogant attitude that is responsible for putting Nintendo and Wii U in the spot they are in right now. Get with the times, evolve and survive OR remain trapped in the past, lag behind and die.
@AsimLeonheart: i buy Nintendo consoles for first party games, i most of the time don't give a damn about the other stuff. I bought Wii for Zelda and Mario and i could still play some amazing games on it on top of that. Wii U is no exception. X, DK, Mario 3D, Zelda, Mario Kart are ALL i need on it. Batman or not, COD or not i don't care i have a PS4 for that. cheers,
how can you compare a kart racer to 3d person action game... that is like comparing oranges to a chair does it make sense to you?
@chrischi1988 If it was about money why not release a PS3/360 version? That would make them more money.
That's actually all this gen is. PS360 with improved visuals.
WiiU is not a next-gen console therefore it can't handle the game ;)
Once again, like with the barely teased Assassin's Creed ( http://n4g.com/news/1479055... ), here come the Wii U fanboys, pretending to know everything about the game that the developers don't want to gimp for the WiiU. "Bu-but the game could totally run on Wii U! I know for a fact that it could because [list of games with hardly any gameplay shown yet, plus games like Mario Kart that could have run 1080p on the freaking PS3/x360] can run on Wii U!"
He still doesn't answer the question of what "technically" is holding a Batman:AK from being put on the WiiU. Does the WiiU not have enough RAM, CPU, memory, can it not output at a framerate they want, can it not handle huge worlds. Just saying the game has the Batmobile isn't an answer enough.
I see a trend in the posts here: Nintendo fan downplays the Batman games. Nintendo fan then talks up the Nintendo first party franchise sequels.
@ADZ, another blind nintendo fanboy, Batman and many big third party games will dwarf nintendo games this gen, mario kart is just more of the same and wont hold a candle to batman.
Lol^^ We get it, you dont like Nintendo and its games, but to say, that a Arkham game will be so much better, but calling Mario Kart the same, even though Arkham Origins got bad reviews, just because of it being the same as the last ones, it being renewed annually... your statement is pretty fanboyish. You may not like Mario Kart, but it deserves credit for what it achieved. A Batman game is nothing against that caliber.
and you are just blind when i see how u spelled the 3 first letters of my name. let's get this straight, first i am no fanboy. I love Nintendo as much as i love Sony PlayStation so your opinion falls short. second, i keep saying that Wii U doesn't need this type of games. Batman Armored Edition has been released with massive enhancements and no one bought it. Apart from SNES Nintendo consoles have never been about third party, it's always first party games that take the lead. Wii won the last generation by no battlefield GTA COD or even Batman from Arkham series. If you were a real gamer you would realize the value Nintendo consoles are having. Batman Arkham series (the first two at least) are amazing and i can't wait for the new one on PS4 but i don't spit on a console with an amazing potential. And as said above, Batman can try as hard as he can, he will never match the greatness and caliber of a Mario Kart. We'll see where Rocksteady will be with this series in 22 years. (Mario Kart is 22 years old and still kicking butt)
Chrischi you know Arkham origins wasn't made by rocksteady right? Rocksteady can't make a bad game .
The Arkham franchise is so over-rated, I don't even see what's so appealing about them? All three of the games play the exact same, doing the same objectives over and over. I wonder if Batman wasn't the main character would the game sell half as much. Are you seriously going to compare a cart racing game to a third-person adventure? lol Whether you like it or not Wii U has the highest-rated exclusives right now and the rest of the year is looking even better with MK8, Smash, Bayonetta 2, Shovel Knight (on PC as well) and X.
Oh, lord. More of the same? Common, have you watched the trailers for Mario Kart 8, there is not a Kart racer out there that has had me so excited. It looks great and fun. Also the Wii U, is much more capable than PS360, that debate has been over for months. So you are telling me, this game is going to be so freaking amazing, that they are going to squeeze every drop of power out of this gen,and that the Wii U just could not keep up? Doubt it!
They'll accept whatever you want to believe so long as it means you buy their product.
Right!? It's called money, when developing a game on the PS4 and Xbox1 from the start, it would take some money and time to port it over to the Wii U... It's not like Arkham City or Origins sold well on the Wii U, so why bother porting it over? Saying it's not capable of doing what they want it do on the PS4 and Xbox is obviously true in terms of power, but to say the game can't be done on the Wii U is more than likely false.
PS4 and Xbone use X86 architecture (easier but less efficient) Wii U uses PPC architecture (more difficult with much less overhead) that's the reason, end of argument.
herbs nailed it! They want to stick with legacy x86, and x86 needs LOTS of power to "drive". If they go to PPC, that means a separate set of programming - ports don't often cut it. Nice if he just said it though!
I hope so. It may take a little while longer for near 100% but it'll soon come. I've been waiting to hear that about games "the PS3/360/wiiu" can't handle the gam and can only be made for next gen.
I was under the impression that most people using this site had grown up and the "play station vs. WIIU" drama was over with. Just buy all the consoles so you can play everything. Fanboy-A word used by poor retards who don't have the common sense to buy more than one console.
Well said, Bubble up to you sir! WiiU for Nintendo games, Xbone for Gears of War 4, PS4 for Sony game's..
Really this is over the bat mobile? After needs for speed on the wiiu really?A frigging driving segment when project cars has way better graphics. The crash is coming.
Wii U is in a tough spot due to the hardware being limited
It has to play to its strengths. There are some things that it just can't do. But the first and second party developers will be willing to invest the time and money to maximize performance.
Toldya. Everyone has stressed that so much ever since the console's unveiling. It's the Wii all over again except this time it isn't innovative by the same margin.
Yeah unfortunately it is. It sucks I have to buy another box just to play 3rd party games. Freakin' Nintendo, man. Smh
I've been telling you guys this for a while ;)
But isnt it that way with almost all Nintendo consoles? Like people say Nintendo consoles are usually secondary consoles whose sole purpose is to play excellent Nintendo games. I dont see why anyone would buy a Wii U to play inferior multiplats.
Limited? Lets get it straight, NYC_Gamer, it is running on newer PPC hardware instead of the "limited" legacy x86 hardware. The issue is that that software houses would rather develop on X86 as they know it better, and there are more users on that platform.
I don't think Wii U owners mind too much. Its not like they expect every game to be gimped. You could get another team to code a last gen version, but that just adds unnecessary costs to a project meant to sport next gen visuals. I will probably get a Wii U one day, but not as a multiplatform device.
WiiU is exclusively for Nintendo games, so people should stop expecting 3rd party support on it. It's sad but Nintendo is boss at creating fun games!
Sad news for wii u owners. They must be planning to utilize nextgen engine fully,which is great news
Not sad for me if it hits PC!
I see this becoming a trend LOL.
It couldnt handle it ... You Nintendo fans have to face facts. The Wii u is a last gen console. The moron Iwata promised the Wii u wont be behind in terms of technology i wonder what he has to say now
Face the facts? Fact is, Batman Arkham Origins sold poorly and was a gimped game, fact is, all devs, who think there is no money with the Wii U, say it is weak, so they dont seem as greedy. Fact is, all businesses are there for the money. Fact is, there is no such thing as next gen games, just better visuals, to a already existing genre. FPS stays FPS, where is the innovation in Killzone for example? Just visuals.
Fact is: you're a hardcore Nintendo fan who's currently in denial.
I found the OWL and the way they implemented voice recordings in Killzone to be a couple of examples of innovation that I've personally really enjoyed. I typically don't get into FPS games but Killzone has been loads of fun.
Not being powerful enough isn't the be all determination of next gen... If that was the case the x1 shouldn't be classified as next gen since it provides as many upscaled 720 experiences as the Wii U.
Resolution alone does not determines a console being next-gen. Gran Trurismo 4 on PS2 ran in 1080i but that does not makes it more powerful than the Xbone or Wii U. The amount of computing power makes a console next-gen. Xbone is significantly more powerful than Wii U. Xbone has 8 GB RAM and a 1.3 TF GPU while Wii U has only 2 GB RAM and a 0.35 TF GPU. That makes 4 times more powerful than Wii U. The difference with PS4 is even greater as PS4 is almost 6 times more powerful than Wii U. Being powerful enough to run games being released during the gen is very important. Nobody will waste resources to downgrade a game to fit on a weaker console if it is expected to sell poorly anyway. http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...
It probably could be done though without 1080p, destructible environments, MP, or decent AI (which seriously these next gen developers need to take the next step on). But after all that why bother? It's not going sell well. I know every situation is different but anytime a developer says we can't do a game within the same generation of consoles, I always think back to when Squaresoft said they couldn't do Final Fantasy VII on the N64 because cartridges couldn't do FMV, and pre-rendered backgrounds... then Capcom goes and puts RE2 on a cartridge... so yeah.
It's not last gen. As a Nintendo fan, this is the NEXT GEN of Nintendo. So, it's next gen. You are the one that needs to get off your high-horse, because you don't make the facts. If devs don't want to take the time to learn how to fully utilize Wii U, then I don't want their game on it anyway. I have a PC for that
No offense to them but that is horse *()(&^%^^ The graphics on this game should not dictate what systems you can port to. I bet if they wanted to they could port it to mobile. About the money.
It's crazy isn't it that a company wants to see a return on investment.
It isn't. But blatantly lying to a user base and not doing a good job at hiding it is crazy.
If it was all about the money why are there no 360 or ps3 versions ?
It's not about visuals, but hardware limitations overall. Did u know Mario creator had envisioned Mario riding a dinosaur since the 8bit era? He have to wait until Super Nintendo to make it happen and guive us Yoshi. He explain that was technically imposible to create a multi interface engine for 8bit NES. So, he waited for a more powerful system. This is a basic example. The same is happening now with Batman. Don't blame developer on this one, they are not responsible for WiiU lack of power.
yea but no that was a bit issue and notice since 1998s dreamcast bits have stopped at 128. they could scale it back just a matter of time and money. And clearly they dont think its worth it
@jetlian When Crysis was released back in 2007 most computers can only run it on low and only a handful computers as high as medium. Have u seen Crysis runing on a high spec computer these days? The game is still a graphic feast for the eyes. If u where back in 2007 when this game was released, what would u have done? Would it be ok for you to run it on low settings? Now, go and compare Crysis PC runing on high settings vs Crysis for console and tell me if any game could be scaled to a lesser hardware. Anyone who played both knows that a lot where lost "in translation", they bear the same title and all, but they are not the same experience.
lol consoles aka 360/ps3 came out before crysis and it still looks good. its all about money
I can only think u never played it on a high spec pc, because is impossible to compare one version to the other. But it's ok. Guive it a rest. I do respect ur opinion. After all, having different views on a matter is the whole point of opinions. Time will tell if my view on this is wrong. Until then.
that article gives no reasons as to why it could not work on wiiu or ps360? the only thing ps4 xbone have over wiiu is more gb's???? to me it smacks off "we dont want to optimise the game to run on different architecture" it saves money and time! we know the wiiu can do more as other big developers have said so and confirm it is more then powerful enough! what this now means is rocksteady are going to have to produce something proving this and a game that blows everyone away? as yet NO ps4 or xbone game has blown anyone away! its the same old story wrapped in a different wrapper to the one EA use!
"the only thing ps4 xbone have over wiiu is more gb's" Much more powerful CPU's, more RAM, much more powerful GPU's. Everything is better, they just don't have more GB's, whatever that even means. Wii U runs on an IBM 3 core processor, has only 1GB of allocated RAM for games that is DDR3, the only thing good in the Wii U is the GPU really. That is its saving grace. This has nothing to do with the article really so don't get all butt hurt and rage, I can already see the disagrees now for simply stating an actual fact.
Dang, I feel sorry for Wii U owners as they just can't catch a break. I might still get one for Mario Kart 8 though but without third party support, it is not looking good for Nintendo in the long run even if they have the best first party games in the business.
Nintendo is going to be around a lot longer than Microsoft or Sony when it comes to gaming. Sony and Microsoft are cutting jobs, cancelling games, closing studios and generally are in dissarray. Even if Nintendo does not have the most third party support (they have tons still, that is a trolling lie, I include indies as support), they are actually growing and generally doing better as a company. What they did is give an excuse and not really explain why. Lazyness is likely the real reason. Yes, the Wii U will generally not last long on the market but it is more about lossing the battle, winning the war.
Did u mind if I ask you to name some of the third party studios working for the WiiU? And I beg u pardon my ignorance...
Nintendo only has third party support when it come to the 3DS but the Wii U...... Skylanders, Disney Inifnity, Lego and Just Dance, Scribblenauts that's all the REAL third party support they have (I don't count stuff like Bayonetta or Sonic as third party support as those are specific deals)
Why? I love my Wii U. Don't feel bad for all of us. Some of us are quite happy.
The wii u is in the same gen with the ps3 & xbox 360, so this pretty much will be the norm this new gen
Nintendo put themselves in this position. I'm not going to go on a long rant of all the things they did wrong because by now it should be obvious to everyone. All I have to say is hopefully Nintendo learns from their mistakes and the next console be in better shape.
I love my WiiU, ZombieU was probably my favourite game of 2012, but I had to trade in my copy of Batman AC, the performance was terrible, either the port was terrible or the machine just couldn't handle that game.
They'd be making a Wii U version if it was profitable to make the port.
derp *drooools* well you REALLY brought something to the table here didnt you... Wow your ideas are truly innovative. BUT DONT BLAME ROCKSTEADY... 3RD PARTY DOESNT EVEN SELL ON WII U AND THEY HAVE TO SPEND SHIT LOADS OF TIME AND RESPURCES TO DOWNGRADE IT FOR THE WII U. AND YOUR BLAMING THEM?!?! FOR WHAT?!!?