Kinect Sports dev confesses he understands why core gamers can't see the relevance of the Xbox One Kinect.
I do not see a reason to have it other than getting around the UI
Consumers clearly find gaming cameras relevant. I mean, look at the sales of the PS4 camera. It's been sold out everywhere since launch. Gamestop raised the price because they know people will pay it. The PS4 camera sells for $100+ on Ebay. What are all those people using their PS4 cameras for? Are there more quality games for the PS4 camera than there currently are for Kinect?
The PS4's camera is an option and doesn't have the stank of the NSA hanging over it. Had unchecked time with Twitch streaming. Maybe Twitch may help Kinect now that the XB1 can stream as well if not better, but MS is still following in Sony's wake. Anything they do to promote it isn't going to be as organic.
20% of PS4 gamers have bought cameras. Of course, they are highly relevant and should be forced on the other 80% who have opted to not buy it. Yes, that's sarcasm right there.
It's fine to have it optional so the people who want to use it can go out and buy one instead of forcing every person to buy one and pay extra no matter if they want or not. I will buy an X1 once they unbundle the Kinect, as long as Kinect comes with it it's a no buy for me.
Maybe people are more receptive to having a camera when it's their choice. Like anything I guess, no one wants their choice taken away.
Those that bought the PS4 camera did so for Playroom and streaming and of their own will. No one chose Kinect and it's not being used for anything like the PS4's camera is. This Xbox One dev is right.
Well your confusing sales with purpose. Kine ct sold like 20 mill and is still irrelevant .ps4 camera sells just show people want to do everything with the system. Not to play games with
Not a single one of you actually used the kicect. Your opinions mean nothing
“If you look at the bigger picture, if you look at Xbox as an all-in-one offering for the living room, it has got to do triple A content, but it’s also got to be media player and offer games for a more casual audience as well. I think then the camera starts to make real sense.” So what I'm getting is that they gave up on trying to sell kinect/ xbone to hardcore gamers and basically doing everything they can to convince casual gamers to buy it cause its a multimedia device... with voice command. oooooh. ahhhhh...
@uberpwnyexpress already use it and end of the day it still means nothing but a gimmick. If you like to be blinded by something that is merely a gimmick at the end of the day, why should others who actually care about their games over some gimmick like you can't comment? So what is your point here? It seems your comment sounds even more worthless than those who actually not use it before. Because it is still irrelevant and really does not make games better in any sense.
The only people that complain about Kinect are those that haven't used it. Almost every post I read about those that own it are positive. Hmmm....
***The only people that complain about Kinect are those that haven't used it. Almost every post I read about those that own it are positive. Hmmm....*** I have used both the 360 and XBO Kinect devices. I do not like them. I especially do not like that, with XBO, it's take it or leave it.
People are buying the ps eye for streaming, not gaming. Thats why its the perfect non forced periphrial. Cheap and does the job. Than you gotmicrosoft trying to stuff a 200 dollar camera down your throat.
The popularity of the PS Camera is due more to non-gaming applications than it is to the core gamer. On Topic: Kinect was irrelevant last gen to the core gamer. It is irrelevant to the core gamer at present. And it is likely to remain irrelevant to the core gamer in the future unless some dev finds some revolutionary way to make it relevant. To date, MS has done a pretty piss-poor job of making it relevant to GAMING. I don't know why people expect that to change anytime soon. Almost every peripheral is irrelevant even if included with the system. It didn't take long for Nintendo to come out with a "Pro" controller for the Wii to maintain a core presence.
"Xbox One Kinect irrelevant to core gamers at present, says Kinect Sports dev" Not only core gamers, Kinect is irrelevant to nearly everyone. Kinect is a addon hardly anybody wants, that's pushing X1's price way up.
Pretty much even devs are saying it's irreverent to core gaming, so it should of benn optional device for people who really want it!
Research has already been done to back up claims that although fun for some to play dance/fitness titles, the machanics to do core games is just not there yet! When the first Kinects was announced, Microsoft touted it as being Revolutionary as well as Evolutionary, and it went on to be the fastest selling accessory in history, but being honest with oneself, how many of Microsoft claims came to fruition? Now fast forward to now! We have an upgraded version of Kinects 2.0, supposedly with the processing hardware that was reported to have been taken out of the original Kinects, and now it has been tethered to the Xbox1 making for a somewhat limited experience without it, but Microsoft claims have totally switched to an entirely different focus of UI intergration and the use for gaming applications have been put on the back burner. What wrong with that picture??? Kinects Sports should have launched with the Xbox1 day one! Specifically to add the illusion of value for having Kinects included in the package.
That what I didnt get about the Kinect. I dont mind that its bundled. But why do it if you have no games for it! I would have released XB1 without it and then introduced Kinect 2.0 Kinect Sports bundle for $125-$150!
eh, thats not in their scheme of things. they're gonna make sure %100 of xbone oners have access to it, then start trying to convince (pay) developers to make exclusive content for kinect. i can see the press releases now: "these innovations are only possible with kinect!" however, what we'll get is half-baked flailing gestures that aren't needed, and aren't useful, and we (core gamers!) still wont be sold on it, 3 or 4 years from now... as for core gamers, gestures DONT work, touchscreens DONT work, voice commands DONT work! GIVE US BUTTONS OR GIVE US DEATH!!!
Way to take a comment and sensationalize it. He never said it is irrelevant to core gaming or gamers. He said it may seem that way initially. Content will be needed to change that perception. Kinect is not there to attract core games to core games, it is there to add features and enable casual gamers to also have fun with the system. If you have it in the living room and want family to have fun too, Kinect will be the best way to do so in the very near future.
Man that was well said, I like kinect, adds for some funny moments.
You're right, he did not say its irrelevant, he just said core gamers think it is. But in my mind their opinion is kind of important. They are the majority of early adopters afterall , a demographic no console would sell more than 5 million units without. Casuals do not buy consoles at launch price. Core gamers are your bread and butter, at least in the beginning. So if Kinect is not for core games or core gamers, why are they forced to pay for it when by your own admission, they don't need or want it?
Well, some core gamers, i.e. yours truly, just happen to have families too. I know that might be shocking for some merit who frequent the site, but many of us don't buy consoles solely for our personal use. They children are top achievers as school and don't often have a lot of time for gaming. When they do quick fun entertainment if what they mostly gravitate to. I may not be the best example though, as I would have gotten Kinect even if it were not included.
get off your high horse pappy. lots of gamers have kids. You are not unique. the point is it should be your choice if you buy it or not. I'm not debating whether it has merit for some gamers. I'm not saying no one should be allowed to get it if they want it. I'm saying most don't, and therefore shouldn't have the burden. saying everyone has to pay for it is like saying some people are diabetic so everyone has to take insulin shots. why would you take a shot if you didn't need it?
if a company believe in a product who are you to tell them to change that. I don't like the trackpad and the lightbulb of the ps4 controller and guess what if I'm going to buy a ps4 i need to deal with it, because sony believe in those features. well if you don't like kinect and ms vision don't buy it. I tell u if ms drop kinect ill trade in my xbox one because i don't want an under power ps4, thats the reason many of us bought the x1 because is different.
All I hear is that it should be one's choice to own a Kinect. Well, it isn't. Get over it. Is the Xbox that important to you (you meaning most posters in Xbox articles) that the Xbox be what you want it to be? Don't you own a PS4? Isn't that good enough? I mean, it is the most powerfulest, cheapest, bestest, most goodest console like ever made in like like forever, right? Jesus, I've yet to comment in a PS4 article because I can give a rats @$$ about it. You Sony people really need to question yourself why you care about the Xbox One so much. Oh, you're a former Xbox fan and you're sad because MS isn't doing what you want? Get over it. Seriously. Move on. She left. She's not going to change for you. That's all.
You made some great points! But whats with the choice thing. Ok it comes with Kinect. But we already knew that from before the system was even launched that it was gonna be part of package! There was a point in time where we thought Kinect was the only way to play with next gen Xbox until they showed a true controller(what a relief)! Yes they should have made a sku without Kinect for people like you! To me the overall package is great! Just not worth the $499 theyre asking for! Also having Kinect sets it apart from PS4..lol and a few other things but you already know what those are! Lol..im just not stating them!
"Kinect is not there to attract core games to core games." Meaning it's irrelevant to core gamers. You just whined about what the article did and then went and said the exact same thing anyway.
A console with a forced add-on witb no games for the add-on. WTF M$.
Well I mean this one is coming, and some of the other games have used the add on pretty well like Dead Rising and Ryse.
Lol. No, they were gimmicky and often ruined the experience, especially if you have friends who like to troll you. Also, pressing the left bumper and then saying a command? Really? That could've been done with two button presses.
It's been irrelevant since 2010 when it first released....if it's been irrelevant for 4 years what else can they do. They've had plenty of time to make it relevant.
It's enviable that Microsoft will lose the Kinect and sell the system alone. That or drop the price to $399. There's a used X1 on Amazon right now with no Kinect for $344. Someone grab it cause I don't want it. There's also one for $368 and you know for sure you'll get a controller too.
Games like sonic hover board was crazy fun.. And I'm 28 lol.
We had fun with it.. It did have its problems lol. However I celebrate you got passed the menu it was a blast.
The Kinect Sports Rivals demo was actually kind of awesome I thought. I like doing the voice controls a LOT with Kinect. The motion controls are utterly useless.
That's cool, except that voice controls have been possible long before Kinect ever existed and are still possible without it.
Yup. The Kinect's mic is about $2 and the camera and lens are about $75. Future Xbox Ones should just come with a mic array that you plug in like the Kinect but without a camera.
All you need for voice control is any kind of cheap mic because all of the software runs on the OS level. The only things that require a camera is gesture controls, face tracking and so on. The Tomb Raider voice commands work just as good/bad on the PS4 with the cheap mic as on the X1 with Kinect.
When devs who work on the thing and should be promoting it instead call it irrelevant, you know shit is bad. Supposedly MS can't take the Kinect out for contract/legal reasons or something, or they have to eat the cost of not including it, but hopefully they do remove it ASAP.
Dang, so even Devs are calling it irrelevant. Yeesh
Xbox 360 HD player all over again lol
Kind of funny because HD-DVD was an optional add on instead of a mandatory internal drive that it should have been in my opinion due to the lackluster space DvDs offer. While Kinect is a mandatory device that should be an optional add on in my opinion.
Honestly who cares about your opinion.
“If you’re a pure gamer, if you’re only buying the console for video games and you only want to play games with the controller, I can understand why you may question [the Kinect’s] relevance, at least initially,” That is the quote where they got the title "Xbox One Kinect irrelevant to core gamers at present, says Kinect Sports dev" Dat journalism
32x was more relevant to people like us than Kinect.
"xbox one kinect irrelevant to core gamers at present" Yeah hoping games like d4 and future releases change that notion. i have always enjoyed games like kinect sports, kinect adventures, dance central and project spark as much as i do gears ,cod, Dmc, Gta, mgs, jak, kameo, tlou, uc, god of war, ico, nba, read dead redemption and mass effect, pgr, crackdown and i have a lot of pals who do too. infact i own all those games mentioned and so much more...So how do you actually define a core gamer? i do play a lot of games. From last gen alone i currently have over 60 xbx 360 games and 35 ps3 games and still counting but yet i love some kinect games too...so what does that make me and my friends? core or casual?
I'm in the same boat as you friend and I love Kinect also. Not just for games, navigating around the UI as well. Lol, I just finished recording the most insane voice over/commentary editing a clip from Titanfall all thanks to Kinect. Moments like that make owning it all worth it.
Awesome. Stuff like that imo justifies the inclusion of kinect in the box.
Ordinary microphone is all that needed for that.It is great but for price of kinect they need to have it more unquie features used. Then people will see value in it.
$300 without Kinect and they will sell shitloads
It just needs some killer games, when they come though is another question, really surprised that they had nothing ready to take full advantage of it.
Why defend kinect now? It a high end canera that puts the cost up a lot. We all know by voice commands does not need it and ordinary camera for twitch so why have you all not been demanding a killer game for a quality core gamer game that show everyone why they paid soo much for kinect and this reason to have xbox over ps4 seriously a lot of people need to see the value as tv stuff is not it.Demand a killer game and I will buy it.
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