Microsoft and Sony’s rivalry in the gaming console market has long been standing. For some time, Microsoft was leading the race. At other times, it was Sony in the lead. When the two released their latest consoles last year, people were divided.
The reason won't be titanfall, it will take a lot more software than that. But i do like all your points. Direct X 12 will greatly help with the quality of the games graphics I believe.
Titanfall will not make the Xbox One the winner. It looks way better on PC!
I think part of the problem is despite Microsoft hyping it for Xbox One people will see it soon on their Xbox 360 shelf. If resolution and framerate doesn't matter to most gamers then they will buy it on 360, rather than shell out for a new console. You have to create really good reasons to shell out that much money on a new machine and a multi platform game isn't generally it
Duz thart meen pc iz tha wiinner
No, It does not look "Wayyyy Better on PC" the graphics are almost Identical, Lighting, texture detail, effects, etc. The only thing that will be better is the resolution and maybe a steadier framerate... given on what your rig is running
More than half the people that will buy it don't know that
1. NO 2. NO 3. NO And honestly there's little hope for the XBO beating the PS4 unless: 1. They introduce a Kinect-less bundle and drop the price to $349 - $399. 2. The subsidize the console through TV providers, giving subscribers to HDTV programming a XBO with a 2 year agreement, for free or a reduced price up to no more than $299 + Kinect. 3. Disaster strikes the PS4.
@Abizzel I disagree. Once the X1s functionality gets out and known it will sell great. That's good too, because the X1 is a great household product. In the fight to control the living room, the X1 is twice the product of the ps4. I can control my entire entertainment center with the X1. And do it as simply as speaking. You have nearly no control over your living room with the ps4. The X1 is truly a next gen experience. Everyone should own one.
Ok I am really tired of this. Most are defending why the XBO needs to be in the living room but they keep missing some key features. The XBO main functionality depends on the Kinect to truly live the full experience of MS vision and the XBO. The only problem is that MS was late to the game. WE have TVs, cable boxes, entertainment centers that already perform the task that the XBO offers. As a gamer, most should also be in to the in-all-know-it for electronics also. I know at least I am. I research the features of products and what the industry is looking to do in the future to provide a stream line feature for consumers. One also known future item is that the TV manufactures and cable companies are trying to figure out a way to get rid of the cable box altogether so users will rely on plug and play right from the TV. An example of this initiative is the reason why most TVs are cable (which I know has been for a while but these discussions have been going on for a long time) ready as well as internet ready. Also one reason why Sony is offering games through their newer TVs. The Game of TV is changing. Once they figure out something cable boxes will be obsolete and that will happen sooner than we think, especially with the point of all the streaming companies gaining more prestige as we move forward. I honestly think it would be an app through the TV that you download. My point is that all make a big deal of what MS is trying to do with the living room like its the end-all-be-it-all, which I do applaud their efforts but I think it was a little too late. In that most consumers are not going to like what kinect offers due to the fact you can get the same functions on other devices. I again wish MS luck and I hope I am proven wrong in the future, but if not then...
@Saigon The X1 is not like the built in features of Smart tvs. I can control my cable, my surround sound, my tv, as well as features for my tablet, and my cellphone. What does the ps4 and Smart tv offer that offers more than the X1s functionality? Kinect is a good feature. Add in the easy to use game dvr that actually works well with Kinect. The video editing tools for the X1 are also more robust than the ps4. Then you have Twitch broadcasting which will undoubtedly be more user friendly. Then you have Skype for video calls, which is nice. Regardless of what the internet does, the X1 remains a great product. I think once it catches on it will do well.
using the xbone to control your cable box and tv...how is that any better than just using your universal remote? oh...its not. its more clumsy, creates its own input lag, and requires to have an additional device ON.
Article: ~Titanfall ~Direct X12 ~Twitch Putting so-called success on mere updates that the PS4 can do as well. It's as idiotic as saying the PS4 success was purely because the PS4 had Twitch streaming at launch and the Xbox One didn't.
@Gozer I never compared what the XBO has in relevance to the PS4 and a Smart TV, but if you want to cross that bridge fine. First of all the services are free, you do not need to sign up to a subscription in order to provide the basic features of each system or access the functions. The other thing is that you do not need to connect A with B and B with C in order to provide the functionality. The functions for Smart TV and some cable boxes are directly implied. You know I am not going to cross that bridge because we all know what each can do and what it cannot. with the PS4 the only lacking issue is the HDMI in but it pretty much can do everything the XBO can do. The Smart TVs already have the features as soon as you connect it. My entire point was that with how technology changes and how fast it changes, MS missed the bar. They were a little too late to the party. Next year you are going to see a complete focus change from MS. There scope is not going to catch on to the consumers. Honestly, I look at it like this, if it was so revolutionary, the gamers would not be the only ones talking about the XBO system. The media and everyone will be talking of how revolutionary this system is; but that is not the case.
This is not winnable by the xbone.
So what have we heard so far from MS since launch? The cloud, a firmware update, and now Direct X12 will close the hardware gap with the PS4. People need to realize MS is just stringing them along with false hope. Putting premium gas in your KIA isn't going to make it run like a BMW. Also, its not like Sony is going to rest on their laurels. They will be fine tuning the PS4 as well.
Won't know the contents and tools of dx 12 till gdc so gotta keep an open mind
only way to win - MS buys Sony (which is never gonna happen)
DirectX 12 is not going to do anything for Xbox. Sure, it could improve the visuals of games, but it would make the performance worse. Unfortunately, console gamers don't understand this... Just like on pc when you go from playing a game in DirectX 10 to DirectX 11... your games look better but the frames drop. The xbox is already struggling as is... it can't handle anything requiring more resources.
ur an idiot... the x1 was initially schedule to be release in the dec. of 2014 but due to sony releasing their console early they couldn't give them a head start... Microsoft is one the world's largest SOFTWARE company in the world.. do u really think their going to do such a thing to a product that not only did they invest BILLIONS upon BILLIONS but it is also the LARGEST source of revenue of the company..... the xbox one was originally design to run direct x12 most games arent able to reach 1080p 60 frameseconds because most developers arent able to access the xbox one full potential
The Only way it would even come close if they drop the Kinect, drop the price by 150$, add a copy of Titanfall, 1 year of Live service and a custom TitanFall controller. And even than I prob wouldn't get it I mean once Infamous comes out next Friday I'll just be thinking Titan who?
You sound like an idiot. Not a fanboy but an idiot.
DX12 wont help Xbox as its mainly aimed at tablets and phones just like windows 8. Its optimized for mobile apu's and not x86 architecture. So people gotta realize this and stop thinking everything MS does must be good for Xbox as they do have other divisions they need to make money from aswell. As people think Sony are kicking there ass but in reality there biggest threat is Apple and Google in the mobile/tablet market... So they are making DX12 to combat that side of the market rather than a market they are making a crap load of money in.
3 ways i can play better football than lio messi...... XD XD RIP xbox1
Twitch, Titanfall and DX12 won't be enough. Games are where its at and at E3 they need to deliver something incredible to grab back the market share they lost, particularly in the USA. I'll be very surprised if that happens to be honest. The only way I see MS coming back (not 'beating' PS4...because I really don't see it happening) is a super aggressive policy; big price cut, loads of games, better online model (PS Plus DESTROYS Games for Gold). Nothing is set in stone though.
Phil has been working really hard on the games side so i guess they have that part covered but im most excited to see what direct x12 could bring to the console. E3 and Gdc will be great this year.
Well thats not a guarantee. Not only does the Xbox One have to deliver great games, it has to deliver better games than the PS4 to make up for lost ground. Im interested is seeing what DX12 can do too. Ill remain cautiously optimistic however.
I am honestly excited for the Xbox One titles in the works, they have about six exclusive core games (might be 7 as a few Ex-Sony employees are being unveiled at E3) and roughly thirty indie/casual games in the mix. Some of which seem real fun (Kinectimals sequel but with competitive match 3 game play). Plus if you like Fantasy League sports or Ultimate Team (EA Sports) you will love what they have up their sleeves September. This is for The UK also, BT went big on the football for a reason! Fantasy League is a billion dollar industry and sports and sales (clothes etc) will get the Xbox One into the living room. But please do not expect DX12 or the Cloud to improve resolution.
They need to ditch marketing the xbone as a multi media entertainment hub, show the cloud to be something other than a uberfart and serve up exclusive after exclusive. The good will from the 360 gen is over and its now time for M$ to grow a pair, drop the handbag and get into the ring!
I never knew that once your PS Plus subscription expires you loose all the games they offered you for free. with Xbox Live you get to keep them even if your subscription expires.
Which would be an advantage if anybody wanted the games that Live offers...
yeah, you can keep halo1 and gears of war1, ten years after everyone stopped playing them. woohoo!
I'm not familiar with how dx12 works. Will it be a software update to improve graphics?
^same question...im under the impression its software...but what will it do?
You're correct, DX12 is software. It'll let devs get more efficient with the hardware. Because of this, more graphically intensive games will be able to run on the XBO, while maintaining the resolutions it's been achieving (mostly 900p). The exact same thing will happen with the PS4, probably with a new OpenGL. It happened last gen with the PS3 and 360. Think of it as a part of a driver update.
@EXVirtual That's my understanding as well. DirectX12 is a set of software tools that help Dev's better code to the metal getting more out of the GPU and raising efficiency... That's why I always thought that this would benefit PC's a lot more than console. PC would benefit more, not saying X-1 wouldn't, from DX12 than X-1. I'm not sure why you got a disagree. The tools will get better on both systems. But the thing that won't change is hardware, it's fixed!!! When internet speeds get faster globally, then the Cloud will be utilized to it's full extent. By then Sony might even have their "cloud" computing solution up and running, as articles were reporting that they had started their cloud computing solution.
DX12 is basically a developer middle man. A developer can create a flat surface/wall/floor add a simple texture & DX will apply bump mapping & fill, which makes it look all nice & pretty, bumpy & 3d looking, which requires a lot of processing power but makes the developers job easier. Will it make games look better, it should, although the noticeable differences have become less & less noticeable since DX9. Will it increase resolution, no. Will it increase performance, In no previous iteration of DX has performance increased. In fact it has on every occasion lowered performance, but increased graphical fidelity. Take from that what you will.
Ok, thanks for explaining it.
This. Each new DX has been considerably more power hungry than the last, but added features to make games look better and better. Unfortunately its always taken 1-2 years before more than a few games are actually released supporting the new features, so dont expect dx12 to be released and then all the games immediately utilize it. It wont mgically push the x1 into 1080p, but it might give it an edge to make the 720/900p games look better than the ps4s 1080p IF the new features are that much better. We wont know until we start seeing the games
Back in the day DX updates were a PC fanboys wet dream. Each one would bring a brand new set of games with unimaginable graphics you could never of imagined before but each one usually requiring a hefty new complete rig upgrade. Then they just started getting stale & Microsoft started spinning us BS with lazy updates that required the newest DX to allow certain features, although even the simplest of hackers could add 2 lines of text to a .ini file to activate them. MS at one stage was going to charge for them i.e. you had to buy MS Vista to be able to download DX10. The plan was to sell DX updates like Apple sells OSX updates but once it was found out it was all BS MS did a 180' apologised & haven't really released a proper DX since. Due to this DX10 was a complete failure but DX11 was basically just a DX10 re-launch which wasn't all that bad. So here's hoping this could be a return to the old days, I wouldn't hold my breathe though!
DX is a Graphics API Software that supports different Tools for effects and code compression. It currently is the industry standard when it come to Coding Graphics for gaming and CGI. AMD's Mantle is great as well, but only works on AMD hardware, so it is more hardware based Software. OpenGL and DX are both Software API's but due to lack of support of OpenGL with Linux and Playstation the only Systems to run it, most developers build on DX in mind. DX12 will be the newest iteration of the software and should push your existing hardware to new heights with above mentioned tools.
Playstation always used opengl so developers use it.
It's a graphics platform. An API. It's almost like the engine's engine, sorta. It's the more technical tools involved with graphics processing. Unless the original API was a complete and utter stinker, no, the graphics will not see that much of an improvement because the systems abilities haven't changed, just the tools.
Stay Tuned for GDC, nobody knows anything, just rumors and speculation. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Why does there have to be a console war? Why can't we all just enjoy awesome games together, regardless of platform.
ask ms and sony they are in a war and they want us (customers) to choose sides. i dont like it but in truth this war was and still is instigated by them, the companies. war=$$$...proof? look at launch numbers...both broke records.
The Xbox One broke 360 numbers. The PS4 broke launch console numbers, IN GENERAL... ;-)
Why does it have to be a "console war"? Ask Sega, Atari, or any other now defunct console maker. The video game industry is a business and that means it's survival of the fittest.
Still the same hardware no matter what.
At this point MS shouldn't be focused on making up the lost ground they already have given to Sony. Instead they should be focused on leveling the sales playing field to pull the Xbox One into monthly parity with the PS4 as much as possible. you have the stop the bleeding before you can fix the wound. If they can get Games with Gold up and running on Xbox One soon, and keep the bundles moving forward then more or less the box is about $30-$40 more than PS4 (assuming PS4 stays with its conventional sku). If they get to that point I think these boxes start selling similar numbers which at this point would be a win for MS just because they would be halting the gap. Software could potentially shift that but I dont think there is enough coming year 1 from either side to really push the needle.
Why try to beat and compare with the Ps4? The 3DS doesn't do so and it's been killing it for awhile. If they'd just ignore the haters and act like they don't need to answer to them, they'd be fine. The games will come, and that's all that matters, truly, in this industry. Sure, multiplatforms will almost always play better on my Ps4, but MS will have games I want to play that I can't anywhere else. And that's enough. Gamers today spend too much time bickering amongst each other when it should be the companies that we hold accountable.
If they ignored the "haters," they'd have launched a drm-laden console that would have wound up being dead on arrival.
When I said haters I didn't mean the legitimate criticisms of actual problems. I meant the bickering, and bragging of the fanboys/haters that do it just to do it. Sometimes I feel MS sometimes answers those people when there's no need to even acknowledge them in the first place. Constructive criticism is so much different than just hating. I've criticized the X1 almost since launch, but I WILL end up getting one just because of the games. MS needed help from the community on what they wanted. No harm in that. But without a doubt they did need to fix a few things. Anyway hope I made it clearer.
If Dx12 is coming the real question is what's the gpu in the X1 it can't be the 7000 series chip we've been led to believe(because u can't just update a gpu from DX11 to DX12).
Part of the problem is Microsoft themselves. If MS sells it and the new owner buys up more first party studios and allows the creative freedom that MS never could, fixes up live to be on par or better than PSN, removes restrictive policies such as the parity clause and shows no sign of trying to take advantage of its consumers then Xbox could beat PlayStation.
Keep doing what they're best at: heavy marketing, remove kinect the gimmick intead of forcing it down on our throats to reduce X1 price and games, games and more games. 2 or 3 more 1st party studios wouldn't hurt either.
There is no more Game News anymore lol Everything is 1080p (where is this 4k we should get) 60fps (where is the VR) we have this game an you don't (even if the game sucks lol) If a console wins this so called WAR lol what do they get? - Free Games (if so they will suck) - Free Gold / + (not going to happen) oh, we get to say we have the best console... sucks for me cause I have both lol so i'll have winner an loser an still play both. /wink
DX12 will be better for the performance of PCs although xbone may benifit a little bit. Twitch is great, but wasn't there recently a report saying Youtube is the app of choice for gamers? And titanfall is titanfall.
I love my ps4 and my recently purchase WiiU, but Titanfall has make me a believer, I'm going to buy a titanfall bundle tomorrow!
dude, you're making folks jelly.. :) I want them all too.
I love my trio!
The Xbox One has far greater market reaching potential than the PS4 for a number of reasons, but for time sake I'm going to keep it short. Any one of these uses could push the Xbox One over the PS4 and have it outsell it. First.... MS could/should partner with cable and satellite companies to sell subsidized Xbox Ones for say $99 down on a 2 year contract with free Xbox Live Gold and Halo 5 (I think we will see this happen in the fall). Why? Because everyone wins. The cable companies are loosing the cord cutting war and have tried everything under the sun to stop it, but many are just leaving anyway. The TV audience is just a much bigger audience than the console gamer market is. If MS did this not only would they see huge numbers of customers being pulled into the ecosystem, but they could see use of Skype, Windows, Windows Phone and Onedrive skyrocket. For us gamers, there is going to be a Halo TV show in the fall. Imagine winning or even just placing in the top 5 and having YOUR Spartan show up in the TV show with your tag! Instant Immortality. There's more but I'm going to move on. Second... MS could partner with schools for distance learning and even just build a program where not only could you get tutoring around the world via Skype, but earn real college credits and earn a degree without having to step a foot onto a campus. If they partnered with a Major University and you could attend lectures/classes and even ask questions to the presenter while taking notes on your Surface, it could revolutionize education by bringing the classroom into your living room. $500 is a small price for this kind of access. Third.... Partner with a national Gym chain like LA Fitness and build exercise routines where a personal trainer can work out with you privately or in a Skyped Group class. Schedule it for any time of the day and have the personal trainer be able to look over your data, provide live motivation, and even make live recommendations without having to leave your living room. A number of people I know just don't like going to the gym, but if you feel like going sign in at one of the gym's Xbox Ones and keep your training up to date. They could even offer the same subsidy deal as the cable companies. Add Fitbit Nike Fuelband, or other device compatibility and you can get that data incorporated as well, which could be added to the next option... Fourth... Partner with the VA to offer Physical therapy to injured Veterans. A nurse could make a house call to an injured vet, take readings, upload them with her surface, have a doctor look over it and call them via Skype to answer questions. Hell partner with any hospital system to provide the same service at homes for those post surgery or elderly patients who need to talk with a nurse if they need more close attention. If there is a problem call the hospital's helpdesk. Again paid for by your health insurance once it is listed as a medical device. There's a number of other ideas, but any one of these could tilt the Xbox One in number of sales and once those sales are there, there's no reason to believe that the developers won't make apps and services that can do any of the things listed above. None of which the PS4 can do as well if at all. The point is that this can fit into a broader community lifestyle and not just gamers. Will it and should it do gaming? Yes, can it do a ton of things else that the PS4 can't do and potentially reach a much broader audience??? Yes. I know this will get a ton of disagrees and down bubble votes, but if you disagree, say why. I will read every comment and where I can I will reply. I will agree MS doesn't have the best track record on fulfilling visions or the promise of any tech they have produced, but I still see the Xbox One as having a lot of potential.
All that skype stuff does not need xbox one.pc laptop tablet etc all could be used.
I'm going with what beebap said in that all but your 1st point are more likely to be utilized on devices people already own, pcs, tablets, ect. If they could pull off that 1st one it might help move systems but in all honesty I doubt it would happen unless ms just bought out a provider straight up because it would likely be more beneficial to the cable company then ms. In my opinion I don't think there's really anything ms can do to beat Sony at this point, that the best they can hope for is to even up day to day sales and that will take 2 things, 1 games and 2 value. I say value instead of price cut for many factors but mainly due to the fact that most people buy consoles for games and ms seems to have put that second in their minds while developing the x1. I'm sure all those extra features appeal to certain people but as for as core gaming goes they're not really needed and are costing the consumer not only more money but performance as well.
People do know that what is contained in DX12 isn't limited to Microsoft platforms right? OpenGL will do the same thing. Just like now when OpenGL does all the stuff that DX11, 11.1,etc does. Guess just updating DirectX 11.X didn't sound as awesome as rebranding it DirectX 12. That's microsoft for you. Rebrand as see how many notice. That so many people have fallen for rebranding to such a degree that they even think it is exclusive to Microsoft is hilarious.
i thought that DX 11 didn't run on the PS4 but developers can modify their code of their game to put it on the PS4 that's what a game developer did with one of their games, so they can probably do it again for DX 12
Titan fall will probably boost sales...for a little while, being on 2 other platforms kinda' waters down the need to buy an Xbone and just play it on the 360 or PC. Twitch may be interesting and something that may "take off" but, it's gonna need lots of "word of mouth" advertising to gain any momentum with the "average Joe" consumer. As for DX12, once again, to the average Joe consumer that is just gobbledygook that the hard-core care about. Not a system seller to the masses. it is too esoteric for them to care. The average Consumer cares about Price, value and if it has what they or their children want to play. Ms needs to unbundle kinect and drop the price to ever gain traction against Sony and the PS4 powerhouse. that thing has been crafted to be a powerful and reasonably priced console.
DX 12 can probably help Xbone games look slightly better, however OpenGL is still capable and valve seems to be pushing for linux which makes OpenGL even more important. What's more important however is not the graphics. MS has a bunch of Xbox live subscribers and 360 gamers. MS needs to keep these customers and make them purchase an xbone instead of a PS4. These gamers are already invested with their gamerscore and friends. Maybe give some incentive for these gamers to move on to Xbone by giving these gamers/subscribers $/£10-50 digital store credit if they buy an Xbone. OK, its not much but for someone that has to choose which platform, offers will make the console a little more attractive.
Directx11 came out in 2008 another directx hasn't come out since then. Directx11 has only been patched. Six years was the last directx What some of you fail to realise directx has to suit the hardware especially the GPU. The teardowns of the x box stated it was 7000 series graphic card inside the x box 1? Not possible directx12 would not be suitable for this GPU with set features. Its fairly obvious to anyone who has some idea of how technology works. The x box 1 GPU most be a brand new GPU made by AMD. You can't go from directx11 to directx12 its not possible. Its up in the air what Microsoft is hiding not revealed yet and lets be honest Microsoft has not said directx12 is coming to x box 1. But if true be prepared this is going to shock N4G and Neogaf to its very core and be the talk of the night.
Strange winning has never been a factor in what I buy , seems really important though.
A lot of people here keep forgetting that Titanfall was ordinary plan for the 360, MS ask them to wait a little longer so it can come out for XB1 as well. Titanfall on XB1 is better then not having it on XB1. MS spent 3 billion dollars on there GPU which they brought off AMD, what ever they use there cash on is clearly not on the numbers. The research and development on there GPU which no bodies knows about would be for DX12. Doesn't sound like much and sounds like something a lot of people would look past, however with the features DX12 will bring to XB1 its going to make a difference. Once games start using Azure and DX12 you can only imagine the possibilities of the XB1, maybe its true what everyone at MS was saying about there system. Maybe it is getting more powerful as time goes by because this is clear proof.