Metin Ismail of Gamer Attitude makes a shocking discovery when he looked into emulations and ROMs.
Great work, Columbo.
Ha ha. Bubble for you
Most of these kids won't know who Columbo was.
He discovered America, right?
You're underestimating the average age on this site. The average gamer is like 20 something to 30 something (depending on what study you look at) and I can't imagine that a gaming community is that wildly off from the average. No need to further the stereotype of gamers being children. He even got 21+ agrees and a "funny" bubble, clearly a lot of these "kids" DO know what Colombo is.
@diehllane- loool, funny. but maybe youre not joking? if so then, nope! you got the wrong guy. :P @lelo: possibly, maybe theyre thinking of Columbus bc of the word "discovery" in the disription, haha.
Next article - Smoking can kill you.
*Cigarette falls out of gasping mouth* One day you're just minding your own business, copying that floppy and smoking a cig and you find out that one is illegal and the other will kill you. This day just keeps getting worse!
Hate to break this to you, but yes. Smoking will make you croak faster than a contestant at a food eating contest!
*scratches head* well i like to think after 20 years emulating old games should be fine, not like you'll find it in store shelves brand spanking new or anything.
Exactly lol. SEGA doesn't make a cent when I buy sonic the hedgehog on Amazon.
So when you have too pay(if you have an SNES) sometimes over 200USD for each of these games Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger and such too get them for the original systems. No way no one would pay that execpt the true fanatic of those games. But why should for example the owners of those who bought them in the past have too pay for a converted copy to Virtual Consoll they already own the game. Second the emulators does more for the games themself then it´s original system. Take the Dolphin emulator that enhancing Gamecube and Wii games to thier fullest potencial. To play those games in 1080p with great upscaling. Why did not Nintendo incorporate these features in Wii U whithout us have to pay a single penny for it. I do not think for a second that this BS.From either Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony that thier systems is not backwards compatible "not for a second". I mean, What could those emulator makers do with OXBOX. The could make OXBOX run Sonys system Playstation game on it. If they could do that too that system(often singlehanded) Those companys can do it too. They are just being stuborn, greedy, or nonlistening to what we gamers really want from future systems.
Hate to break it to you but emulators ARE NOT illegal, most don't even have a shred of the original code involved (although some do require the BIOS) and as such are classed as the coders own work. Of course Nintendo are going to say something like that, they're the biggest lobbyists of anti gaming piracy around.
Roms/backups aren't illegal either as far as its a backup from your disk/card and not from someone else its basically the same than ripping a CD/DVD, as far as you don't distribute it its not illegal and this is why Microsoft came with the Xbone policy that you own the disk but not the content.
Well... ripping a CD can be considered illegal if you're changing the content format.
@diehllane True but we're talking about backups.
I thought you had to have proof of purchase i.e. reciept of original copy? I sware the DMCA has some kind of stupid clause now. I think a personal back-up is still authorized if it falls under fair use i.e. you don't share it. However, it seems they keep amending the DMCA each year that it's hard to keep up on how they determine "Fair Use".
You can make a copy of your personal copy of any media available. For games however, it is usually not within the terms of service to be able to use that backed up software on the original device it was intended for. The software itself is also not typically licensed to be used on a device other than the one it was written for(or compatible devices in the case of backwards compatibility). This is why Nintendo can get sanctions against those cards which hold roms, because they're intended to work on one of their devices and it's not licensed to do so. Same with mod chips, although they themselves are not illegal as it isn't illegal to modify you're own brought hardware. It used to not be illegal to play you're own backups with them, but I haven't followed that scene for quite a while, so not sure where it is now. It is certainly illegal to have a copy of something you don't own and use it on a modded system though. Emulators are a tricky business. The emulator itself is not illegal. However, the bios typically needed to run said emulator is copyrighted work. Thus actually using the emulator to run software is copyright infringement. As far as I know, there is no way to write ones own bios code that has no copyrighted work from the original bios, but I guess it is possible. Some of these issues have been getting closer looks by the courts over the years as they've finally become more prevalent. To date, the courts have pretty much not taken a real stance on the issue. Last major one was last year when the courts passed down a judgement(can't remember the actual term) that it was not legal to jailbreak the PS3. However that particular ruling has not been tested in actual litigation.
Yeah, as long as it's mostly your own coding, an emulator is not illegal. It EMULATES, it's not a carbon copy of the hardware. Roms are another matter entirely, though I pretty much only get roms of games that I've bought in the past. If it's a game I never got to check out that's 2 generations behind the current one though, I might grab it to see if it's any good. I never grab anything I haven't bought past PS2 era though.
Exactly, they aren't illegal at all. E.g., with PCSX2, the PS2 emulator, the emulator comes with everything you need to get it running, except the BIOS, which you need to rip yourself, which means you need to have your own PS2 to legally use the emulator. Same with games, you need to own the original disc and make your own backups to play them legally. So long as you own the original console (if a BIOS is required) and you rip your own backups of the games, then you're good to go. If PCSX2 were illegal, Sony would've ordered a cease and desist ages ago. I regularly speak with some of the PCSX2 devs, and they've told me that Sony has been well aware of their work for many years now.
HAHAHAHAH really? Well I never
There going to have to put us all in jail I guess.
From what I hear in my local news, the jails are full and they can only afford to put those that actually need to be there. At least in my local area, they would probably just fine the shit out of everyone which would not do any good either.
It's really a civil matter. Copyright infringement to be precise. Jail would be reserved for those profiting off piracy, and those cases typically have people that are selling professionally pirated media.
Emulators are legal. Its the ROMS that will get you in trouble.
Actually, Roms technically don't get you in trouble. The only times Roms are illegal is when they are downloaded through ROM and sharing sites. If you ripped the ROM from a copy that you actually own, it's legal. I did it with most of my older games, I have no problem with Roms. What I have a problem with is people stealing games off the internet. Especially if the game is easily obtainable through legit means.
I own a PS2 game and cant rip it at the moment because I have a second GPU in my laptop instead of a DVD drive. If I own the game I can download it legally right?
Ask a lawyer, but sounds legit to me. Although legally if you lose or break your purchased copy... The producer has no reason legally to give you another. So there's that too.
@high Technically no. But I doubt anything would come back to you. I used to be pretty big into pirating games. Modded systems for extra cash. Ran a popular direct connect hub, and have downloaded and ripped many games and nothing every happened. This was about 10 years ago, and today it's actually much easier to pirate games. 99% of the people who do never have anything happen to them. Anyhow, I've since had a change of heart on the issue and am 100% against piracy. But if you own the original software I doubt any court is going to bother hearing a case against you. Keep in mind that playing the game on an emulator is actually not legal. It's the use that will get you(although again no one is likely to notice). The bios used to run that ROM on the emulator is copyrighted. If you want to play it on a modded PS2, then I guess I'd have to ask how you would burn it without a DVD drive. If you plan to run it off the hard drive on a PS2 then that isn't actually legal, as it's not within the terms of service of the hardware itself. Hope that helps.
Someone should welcome the article author to last decade.
Anyone know what the statute of limitations is on this stuff? About five years ago I downloaded and played Mutant league football for nostalgia reasons. Just wondering if I should leave the country or grow a beard or something.
how dare you !! you should have repaid multiple times 5 bucks on virtual console or something /s
Yeah well, I ain't sorry, seeee? I'd do it again in a heartbeat, jack. I ain't never gonna live that straight 9-5 life, buddy. I live on the edge and there ain't nobody gonna stop me. Not you, not the coppers, not nobody, seeee?
@badz149, quote is from 'The Mask'
Just like downloading music off free off the internet is illegal, everyone still does it though.
Imagine if they fined everyone, then no one actually could buy music. How counterproductive, lol?
How shocking, my mind is blown away... make sure to hide those roms next to your porn stash in that hidden folder.
Quality article :/
It's illegal, but like music or movies, no one cares, they do it anyway. Beside, if you use those for personal use, no one is coming after you.
Rofl emulators are not illegal..roms and bios are...i hate this site why do I keep coming back? Next thing you know someone is going to bring up resolutions
That's why you shouldn't take the word out of Nintendo's mouth for they will never tell you about the legal side of emulation. They'll just hide those facts and only tell you about what's illegal or what's not good for their business. Emulators as long as they don't come with illegally distributed ROMs or BIOS are 100% legal, which is another thing that will not be mentioned by Nintendo, neither will they claim it's illegal. Here is an example of a legal scenario of emulation: On the PS1 emulator, you use your own genuine PS1 CDs (or a second copy of the ISO that you created as long as you have the original game in possession) and a copy of your PS1's BIOS files that you dumped by yourself for your personal use. Some emulators don't even require BIOS files actually. Another scenario is that a game has been released into public domain or freeware, it is legal to use it through emulators. For example, The Elder Scrolls Arena was released for free by the publishers and they themselves suggest using a DOS emulator to run it: http://www.elderscrolls.com... It's illegal to: - Download ROMs from the internet, unless they were released in public domain by the original publishers which happened in several cases. - Download BIOS files that were dumped from another system. - Share your second copy of the ROMs or BIOS files that you created from your original games/systems. There is nothing wrong with: - Downloading emulators that don't come with illegally distributed ROMs or BIOS files, which is the case for 99% of the emulators. - Using the emulators for running your genuine discs directly. - Making a second copy of your games (backup) by yourself, not downloaded from the internet, as long as you still have the games (not traded or sold). - Dumping your console's own BIOS files for your own personal use.
boy is this person dumb emulators aren't illegal.
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