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Sony’s Gone ‘Back to the Drawing Board’ to Make Driveclub ‘Great’


"The energy surrounding the upcoming PlayStation 4-exclusive racing game Driveclub has largely gone from excitement to skepticism. Driveclub was one of the first PlayStation 4 games revealed, and comes from Sony-owned Evolution Studio, a developer that not only understands the racing genre (it made its name on the MotorStorm franchise), but a developer that undoubtedly had very early access to PlayStation 4.

Revealed as a launch title, Driveclub was unceremoniously delayed on the eve of PS4’s western release, creating questions as to what’s going on with it. We got a chance to speak to Sony’s Scott Rohde – one of the men in charge of Sony’s family of first party studios – about the status of its phantom racing game." (Driveclub, PS4, Scott Rohde)

Update Update from Colin Moriarty "Questions about the Driveclub article seem to be missing a key sentence: "And that’s what’s going on right now with that game."

The process has been on ongoing since the delay not starting now.

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Crossbones  +   700d ago
ArchangelMike  +   700d ago
You know why don't you. VR integration. There's no other reason I can think of to delay the game game. Sony basically will try and get it to be a launch game for their VR headset, and want it to look the business when it launches.
Septic  +   700d ago
Or most likely it was quality concerns?

The build I played a few months back was uninspiring really. After that they started showing off tiny little snippets of the game looking VASTLY different to what I played.

They've probably gone back to the drawing board because after gauging player reactions to the 'new' footage, they want to flesh out the game more.

I won't be surprised if Driveclub returned to the more hardcore focus it showed off when it was first revealed. I'd welcome a more hardcore, cockpit-only experience.
xHeavYx  +   700d ago
Hopefully, some VR integration would be pretty cool.
I do appreciate that they take the time to improve the game, instead of launching an unfinished/downgraded game
GarrusVakarian  +   700d ago
The title is misleading, i thought the game was being re-booted as of now, phew.

Take your time Evolution, a wait for a better product is better than having a crappy product sooner.

"“So, I think that at PlayStation, perhaps more than at other places, we’re willing to kinda eat that [cost],” Rohde continued, “and go back to the drawing board and make sure the game is great before we ship it"

I think we all know who he means by "other places". I agree 100%, there are games on "other platforms" that should have had longer dev time, but didn't just so they could release for launch. Not saying they are bad games, but they could have been better with a longer dev time.

I respect devs who are willing to take risks to ensure a better game for paying customers.
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thunderbear  +   700d ago
@ArchangelMike I personally hope you are right. What I am concerned about is how dry this spring/summer looks like for next-gen games. After Infamous, we have Watch Dogs which I am skeptical of right now. I am looking forward to Child of Light. What else is there? I was hoping we'd get Dying Light, Driveclub, The Crew, Deep Down and Witcher 3 was at some point due late spring, so was Destiny. I want games to play on my new machine!
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YellowTempes  +   700d ago
Hope they test the VR stuff out with Driveclub so that they can improve it considerably for GT7.
Locksus  +   700d ago
Yeah, just like Knack was great and not completely rushed to meet the launch of Playstation 4?
r2oB  +   700d ago
@ Locksus

What technical issues are Knack having that would indicate it was rushed to market?
Boody-Bandit  +   700d ago

WTF are you going on about with Knack? I played it all the way through twice and it sure as hell felt complete to me. I don't recall one moment where I said to myself, "this could've been better with more development."

You wanna talk about rushing games to market (Forza 5, Killer Instinct and Ryse). Which I own them all so I speak from experience and not the back side of my trousers.

On topic:
Considering Evo's track record. I will be patient and hope for excellence. I just want to know ahead of the time 100% confirmed what wheel I will be rocking Drive Club with. Early reports say the Thrustmaster T500 RS but there are some conflicting reports about that.
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TheGreatAndPowerful  +   700d ago
It hasn't been delayed again they're just talking about why it got pushed back in the first place.
AceBlazer13  +   700d ago
I really hope Sony can re-ignite the hype for driveclub.
nukeitall  +   700d ago
So it was a sh!tty game that needs a lot of work. Those games, rarely end up being good let alone great.

Are they still working on 60fps?
mediate-this  +   700d ago
Oh snap archangel, you seem really confident in your statement, can i get a job with you working for sony cause you sound like you're in know how. Orrrrr maybe drive club was not ready and they truly dont want to release garbage cause they seen what delays did to watchdogs and dont want bad publicity.
Utalkin2me  +   700d ago

Yeah the build i played a few months back was inspiring.

They've probably wanted to polish it more and maybe incorporate the VR headset.

Really? You played it and came to the conclusion it was that and needs alot of work. ROFLMAO, kids on there parents computers.
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thereapersson  +   700d ago
@ nukeitall

Still trolling Sony articles for fun and profit I see...
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Radentangr  +   699d ago
DriveClub is on hold because Sony know they have time to improve it. The new IP from Santa Monica was cannibalised so this game could have more time. Sony know they need high quality first party AAA exclusives as they are not against MSFT or Nintendo, they are against the informed core gamer... Smaller audience, harder to please, schooled on the web...

Why do you think Nintendo went after the casuals? Why do you think MSFT have invested 1.4bn (disclosed, with EA, BT and Amazon getting a further 700mm for future announcements) in an attempt to own the living room? Educated consumers are a nightmare! So target the uneducated.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   699d ago

You have been trolling the game since it's inception.

Makes me wonder why you keep coming into Drive Club articles when you've made it clear you have no interest in it. Also what happened to resolution and frame rates don't matter lol? Double standards at it's finest right there.
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parentoftheyear  +   699d ago
This is exactly why. I was twllig my little brother this the other day. I bet it will launch with vr headset. What better game than racing Sim.
Father Murder X  +   699d ago
because you say so?
sak500  +   698d ago

So bloody insecure that you have to drag in "other platform".. GO wait for your games and justify whatever delays happening for PS4 games as long as u can try to discredit MS platfor.

YOu ponies are so freaking insecure and worst fanboys of last 2 generations.

Back to titanfall.
GribbleGrunger  +   700d ago
OK, so I've been seeing this response on Gaf too and I'm confused. I knew this game was delayed and I knew why it was delayed, so why are people suddenly reacting like this? Weird.

@bleedsoe9mm: He's just explaining why it was delayed; something we've been discussing on Gaf for a very long time, which is why (on Gaf at least) the reaction is odd.
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bleedsoe9mm  +   700d ago
its a little confusing are they going back to the drawing board again or is he talking about the first delay

@GribbleGrunger ya thats what i thought , the story isn't very clear though makes it sound like it might be a new delay , thus the reaction
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thunderbear  +   700d ago
I think it sounds like the delay is much longer than what was initially announced. They said early 2014, it's no longer early 2014 after March. And when they asked is "it coming out in 2014?" he couldn't even confirm that. I mean hopefully he was just playing it really safe, but I think those comments are what people are worried about.
candoa  +   699d ago
This is why the ps3 was my last sony console. Sony is known for making you wait for example, ps home, the last guardian, agent, god of war gran turismo the list goes forever, however they make good games that I cannot deny.

I wouldn't be surprise if this games comes in 2016, I know it sounds ridiculous, but I waited 3 years for killzone 2 delay after delay. I guess the ps4 has the perfect slogan "GREATNESS AWAITS". To the new playstation users just sit comfortable because there is going to be a lot of waiting going on.
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   700d ago
So the game isn't releasing late spring nor in the summer despite some early speculations.

"When asked about when it’ll launch, Rohde said, “We’re not announcing any specifics on that yet.”

"When pressed on if it would still come out sometime in 2014, Rohde refused to say, though Sony PR stepped in to say that we’d get more details soon."

So there's officially no release date now. Man what went wrong? I hope they don't pull off GT5 with this.
Kavorklestein  +   699d ago
I can see them pulling GT5 with this, simply because people defended GT5 and it's delays, and they bought GT5 regardless, Sony and Sony owned devs just do whatever they want.
If Sony was the weaker console this gen, they probably wouldn't even care, or try to improve, OR they might just do what they did with the Cell processor, and blame it on lazy devs or being ported. MS is slightly less appealing with their weaker console this time around, but at least they can admit they have things to work on. Sony denied having any flaws last gen with the Cell, and blamed lazy devs. I dunno if MS really can improve XB1, but, since they at least admit they need/have a goal to improve their console, I'll stay optimistic.
The last Guardian is the only thing that will make me buy a PS4.
frostypants  +   700d ago
Sounds like they want this to be an ongoing franchise...and to do that successfully, you need that first game to be awesome.

This is the opposite of, say, the Battlefield 4 debacle, where they took an existing franchise's success for granted and kicked out a glorified alpha at least 6 months before it was ready. I say at least because they still have obvious in-match client-server sync issues, and I'm starting to think they released it more like a full year too soon.

I love the concept of Driveclub, but a unique concept won't make it great. Let them take their time. Also, if it is a flagship titles for a new VR device, that would make a lot of people forget all about the delay...
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jjonez18  +   700d ago
Not even a 2014 release confirmation :(
showtimefolks  +   700d ago
i am willing to wait as long as the game will be excellent. Also title has been updated
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Dannycr  +   699d ago
Is it weird that I actually appreciate the honesty of stating the they are not satisfied with the game and will take more time to find that "X" factor?

I prefer that than being deshonest about it, hype it and then get disappointed
GT67  +   699d ago
let me be the first to say it. x-boys will try to compare FORZA 5 with DRIVECLUB as they did with Gran Turismo 5
jonatan221  +   700d ago
Well, I'm not happy that I won't get to play the game soon... BUT I am happy that when I play it, it will have been worked on extensively rather than rushed.


If this is any indication of how it's coming along, I'm SOOO STOKED
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hulk_bash1987  +   700d ago
I'm all for more polish, but that wait is gonna be killer. Here's hoping it doesn't pull a Watchdogs once its re-revealed. I joke.
jonatan221  +   700d ago
Lol, now that would suck.. and all those NOOOOOOs would be justified haha.

But seeing those gifs really make me feel this was the right choice!
Mrveryodd  +   700d ago
Sorry dude , I didn't mean to disagree . Bloody ipad
staticdash22  +   700d ago
It's not being rebooted. Back to the drawing board, just means quality control. The game won't be shipped until it's absolutely ready to come out.
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jonatan221  +   700d ago
Yeah, I'm pretty sure people are going to mistake this as Sony scrapping the game and starting anew.
MysticStrummer  +   700d ago
Yeah "back to the drawing board" is probably a bad choice of words… I hope.
Beastforlifenoob  +   700d ago
Please... Please dont be another watchdogs
Iltapalanyymi  +   700d ago

What is going on? i was SO waiting for this game! It looked great! What was wrong with it?
Xsilver  +   700d ago
Calm Down I don't think this means the game is Gonna come out in 2015 or something crazy like that i think this means that they went back to the Drawing Board after the delay,polishing the game making sure it's absolutely ready. Well that's what i Think.
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zeuanimals  +   700d ago
I'm pretty sure they're not even talking about a further delay, just explaining why it wasn't at launch in the first place. People need to read the articles. Even people in the IGN comments section don't read the articles.
KwietStorm  +   700d ago
What's wrong with you people? I'm assuming you already knew the game was delayed from LAST NOVEMBER. So why these reactions now? All he's doing is explaining the reason it was delayed. It doesn't mean that from today, it was thrown out the window and started over from the ground up.
zeuanimals  +   700d ago
People don't read the articles. Or they read it and jump to conclusions without thinking about it.
Kayant  +   700d ago
VR rumour about Driveclub sounding more true IMO. Sad it wouldn't be coming soon from the sounds of it but this game is looking to be something really special. Should be well worth the wait.
frostypants  +   700d ago
Yep. The timing between the Driveclub delay and the VR rumors seems way too close to be coincidence. How much you wanna bet we see a VR headset demo at E3 with Driveclub as the showcase game?
Lucas22  +   700d ago
really disappointed with sony 1st party exclusives with ps4.
jonatan221  +   700d ago
Why? Because they are delayed in order to make them better?

I guess I wouldn't mind shelling out $60 for games that even the devs believe are not good enough.
curtis92  +   700d ago
Or shelling out $60 for a half finished game and then $50 more for the rest of the content.
KwietStorm  +   700d ago
As opposed to what? The Grand total of 15 games available, 4 months after launch? Lol
Picnic  +   699d ago
The PS2 and PS3 both had disappointing 1st party exclusives early on.

It's the Sony way to have a slow burn in to the new generation and cross the finishing line in first place. The PS3 is legendary in a way in how long it took to 'crack the Cell' and how sweet it was in Naughty Dog's hands.

Just like the PS2 was still supported (that one was arguably supported too long at early PS3's expense), the PS3 is still relatively strong. There's going to be more add ons for The Last of Us and Bioshock Infinite.
And no cell cracking this time- more time to build upon what the PS3 accomplished with greater ease and more reliably good versions of mutliformat games.
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curtis92  +   700d ago
My guess: Froza & Forza Horizon alternate every other year. What if sony held off on DC til this holiday, with GT7 coming holiday 2015... that way both MS & Sony are releasing competing racers every year.
AnEwGuY  +   700d ago
After GT7 releases, there likely won't be another GT until close to the end of this generation.
Drakesfortune  +   700d ago
Every single game i seem to want seems to get delayed....Sony need a good racing game...and well looks im going have to wait even longer.

When asked about when it’ll launch, Rohde said, “We’re not announcing any specifics on that yet.” When pressed on if it would still come out sometime in 2014, Rohde refused to say...Potentially waiting till 2015 really?
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respekanize91  +   700d ago
they are delaying it because of three things:

1) Polish and social features playing nice with each other.

2) VR head set launch title

3) They dont need to launch it yet due to the already growing sales lead.
tigertron  +   700d ago
So they haven't really 'gone back to the drawing board', they're simply continuing to work on it and improve it, which is great.

It's a work ethic that other publishers should follow - not releasing games before they're ready.

I look forward to playing this and I have every bit of confidence that Evolution Studios can create another great racing game.
colonel179  +   700d ago
IMO it was a stupid idea to announce this game. Sony already has Gran Turismo, and even though they may not be the same style, why didn't they just add a new mode to GT? It would have been much better if Evolution had worked in a new MotorStorm, or a new racing franchise.
coolasj  +   700d ago
That is some egregious titling. Combing quotes of 2 separate sentences to make a single one.
Ares84HU  +   700d ago
Another Gran Turismo 5. Or maybe another Last Guardian.
Father__Merrin  +   700d ago
looking at the Audi footage including dynamic time of day was nothing short of amazing

it's kinda suspicious it's taking this long, day one for me I've been waiting for a PGR game for a long time
SIRHC13  +   700d ago
My guess is it didn't differ much from the all-but-confirmed Gran Turismo 7 and they're possibly restructuring it around the rumored VR headset.
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WeAreLegion  +   700d ago
VR. ;)
AutoCad  +   700d ago
By the time this game comes out GT7 will be out.
frostypants  +   700d ago
I'd still buy Driveclub instead. Looks a lot more focused on online competition. I care more about the racing than about whether or not the Honda Civic I'm driving has a realistically rendered headlight bulb.

Just kidding..............I'd never use a Civic.
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gamedebater  +   700d ago
Can't make another racer that competes with itself (GT6). They need it more "niche".

Otherwise if it tried to be GT6 it will fail.

If it doesn't try to be different it will also fail.

A Racer that is Fun is what we need. GT6 has simulation down.
AutoCad  +   700d ago
what happened to motorstorm?..i loved that game on PS3.
gamedebater  +   700d ago
That was "niche" and unique. But it looks like they were going one way with Driveclub and realized it's going to hurt their own franchise being GT6.

Back to the drawing board this needs to be different.
cfc78  +   700d ago
Good job this isn't microsoft or a 3rd party developer they'd be getting torn apart by now.
PrinceOfAllSaiyans  +   700d ago
If it was ms they would've released an unpolished game already.
Team_Litt  +   700d ago
Or made the game with 80% PS2 gen cars or something...oh wait, wrong publisher!
Saithraphim  +   700d ago
They made the right call if the game wasnt ready, shows they are commited to quality imo
okmrman  +   700d ago
ive had my ps4 since release date and guess what

i still only have 1 game bf4
do i see anything worth purchasing now...nope

can someone suggest a good game?
AutoCad  +   700d ago
FIFA , cant go wrong with the best sports game out.
SoapShoes  +   700d ago
Killzone and Tomb Raider. Outlast is a great horror game. War Thunder is also fun.
No_Limit  +   700d ago
gamestop will give you $397 for your Titanfall and an extra 40% more for yout BF4. I say you should consider trading it in for the XB1/ttanfall bundle or if you are into racing there is also the Forza 5/Xb1 bundle.
Majin-vegeta  +   699d ago
He asked for games he doesn;t wanna downgrade his console.
No_Limit  +   699d ago
Hey, just trying to help out my fellow N4Gers looking for some games to play. Console power don't make the games it is the game powers that make a console. Look at original xbox vs PS2, which one would you choose? :-)
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Picnic  +   699d ago
It's probably best if you don't already have a PS3.

If you do, it's easy to still spend ages on that.

Tomb Raider, Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons and Bioshock Infinite have been or are free on Playstation Plus.

Bioshock Infinite Burial at sea is well worth playing.

Played all the must play indie games of the PS3? The Unfinished Swan, Limbo, Contrast, Rain, Papo and Yo and, some say, Journey?

I still haven't played Contrast at all.

Thief's on PS4 but it's also on PS3 and, anyway, Dishonored on PS3 is more highly rated.

Sony are to be admired for keeping the PS3 still interesting. Until The Order 1886 or the next Naughty Dog game comes out there's arguably no true 'I really must buy that instead of playing the best of last gen' system seller unless you like Battlefield.
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CocoWolfie  +   700d ago
I dont mind, make it better, thats all anyone could want :p
andibandit  +   699d ago
How about keeping your deadlines, nobody bought a console only to play games on it a year later
Drakesfortune  +   700d ago
Also its disappointing that i have had my ps4 since launch and all i keep hearing is promises and no actual games....yeah we have infamous which i cant wait for but still need more games....thats problem with getting the console at launch..hate developers still developing games for last gen
SoapShoes  +   700d ago
First launch console, eh?
Picnic  +   699d ago
At least you can have a laugh at the fact that the Xbox One system seller Titanfall is being released on 8 or 9 year old hardware as well, the Xbox360.

I won't laugh too much at that given that I have an Xbox One. But my PS3 is going nowhere nor my intention to get a PS4 at some point, especially if Xbox One indie games line up is so weak. Where's the ports of interesting PC games like Gone Home in the works Microsoft?
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jay2  +   700d ago
Smelling a south park delay here
XANDEO  +   700d ago
Im rather hoping this game is going to be kind of a spiritual successor to project gotham racing (my fave racer) for the ps4 like destiny is to halo. Really want a racing game for the ps4 and I don't really like the new need for speed series.
darksky  +   700d ago
It'd better be 60fps after all this cr*p.
ananas  +   700d ago
lool :)

today i just reading from ps fantrolls why is xbox one worst choice but we have Forza 5 Dead Rising 3,Project Spark, awesome RYSE , killer instinct, Peggle 2,Halo assault for kinect Fitness coming Titanfall...

i have also ps4 but still off... :)
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TrueJerseyDevil  +   700d ago
Yea this is what I have been saying. All of the PS4 exclusives aren't coming until 2015 so yes you wait for your Great.

Great awaits alright in 2015
DigitalRaptor  +   700d ago
You've been parroting garbage, is what you've been doing.

Microsoft signed contracts with third-party developers to meet a deadline of November 22nd Xbone launch, regardless of quality or level of completion.

Then, they signed another third party contract with EA for Titanfall. And after Titanfall.... what else is there in the near future that you have confirmed? Kinect Sports Rivals????


Already we have seen that Sony has NOT starved their PS3 audience of games, to bolster a next-gen lineup, unlike MS who did just that with their 360 audience. PS3 in 2013 alone: The Last of Us, Puppeteer, Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time, God of War: Ascension etc etc etc etc.

Now, we have third party developers and first party releasing PS4 games in the next 2-3 months in epic proportions from indie to AAA, to free-to-play, to MMO, to Japanese games. I mean should I even bother listing what's coming up, or do you want to continue living in ignorance palace?

In the next 2-4 months:
- Daylight
- inFamous: Second Son
- MLB 14: The Show
- Planetside 2
- DriveClub
- The Witness
- Guilty Gear Xrd
- Octodad

and the list goes on.. damn right there's a lot more coming in 2015, because PS4 just happens to be the console with the most games in development.

I made a comment about this yesterday, but it's only delusional people like yourself parroting the "I guess greatness awaits 2015", when MS has pretty much nothing after Titanfall that is confirmed other than Kinect Sports rivals. Will you see this as "awaiting" for the next great Xbone game? Probably not. You'll focus all the negative energy on your skewed perception of what PS4 ACTUALLY has on the table.

Halo 5 is 2015. Sunset Overdrive we've seen nothing about since last E3 and that was a CGI trailer so I wouldn't be shocked to see that slip into 2015. Fable Legends is getting a beta later this year and will most likely be 2015.

The situation for Xbone is precisely the same as you're trying to paint PS4 - except PS4 has a greater number of games lined up, both console, platform and PS4 exclusive.
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SoapShoes  +   700d ago
Not really making a good case for yourself
Picnic  +   699d ago
Project Spark has Xbox360 era graphics and Dead Rising 3 pales in its arcadey tackiness (partly deliberate I know) compared to The Last of Us.
TrueJerseyDevil  +   700d ago
I don't know why people care so much about this? The game was a simulation with all supercars, and online only racing. They need to have normal cars with customization so you can make it how you want and not just race ready 500+Hp garbage. Also they need to have a single player mode, I get the whole point is to have your own Car/Drive Club but no everyone wants to race online always because some aren't very good at racing games and will lose.

I am not sure it was always online that is just what I heard
RytGear  +   700d ago
The amount of people who haven't read the article is actually insane.
Makkanchor  +   700d ago
This reminds me of watch dogs
Gamer666  +   699d ago
Reminds me more of the Last Guardian...
BABYLEG  +   699d ago
Reminds me of agent
Gamer666  +   699d ago

Yep. This is why I don't count any game until it has a final ship date.

This happens too much, especially with PlayStation. Lair, DriveClub, Agent, Last Guardian, LBP, Killzone 2, etc. are all examples of PS exclusive games that got delayed more than a year.

I applaud Playstation exclusive publishers for wanting to get games right... I get angry with PlayStation exclusive publishers because their planning/scheduling stinks.
andibandit  +   699d ago

Also this makes room for all the annoying "Sony teases about announcement of a tease", Who the F... Cares! , just release some games already!
Gamer666  +   699d ago

Sony certainly has a really good marketing strategy... What other console company can announce games that never release and still have people buy their console for those games?
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