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Submitted by Naga 136d ago | video

A Video To Help You Decide If Watch Dogs Got Uglier This Week

This week, Ubisoft finally gave us a new release date for Watch Dogs, and with it a new trailer and gameplay footage. That teaser caused a lot of teeth around the internet to chatter as folks discussed whether how it looks now is a downgrade from how it looked when it was announced at E3 2012. (PC, PS3, PS4, Watch Dogs, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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Hellsvacancy  +   136d ago | Well said
Well done Ubisoft, you delay a game to "polish" it but somehow make it look much worse

It really makes me worried for The Division which looks too good to be true
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Naga  +   136d ago | Well said
Such noticeable changes really pique the curiosity for those of us who were waiting in earnest anticipation of a game that looked so ready for release last year. A downgrade this substantial raises all sorts of questions.

Why the changes? Was it just a matter of sacrificing visuals for quality elsewhere? Is there some additional content using the resources? ... Or perhaps we should ask what sort of hardware the demonstrations last year were really running on?

I don't think we've come close to seeing the end of this one.
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hakis86  +   136d ago
It´s such BS that this is happening. Judging from the IGN Livestream of Infamous: Second Son, THAT game looks like the PC-demo of Watch Dogs, FFS! If not better!

Oh well... waiting for the Digital Foundry analysis, should be an interesting read!
mkis007  +   136d ago
One thing that confused me is at 1:02 they show a scene from the 2014 trailer of the dock and then the 2013 trailer...the 2014 trailer looks noticeably less blurry.(this is as labeled) Then they show the 2013 with a sweeping effect to the 2014 trailer and it looks like they mislabeled them or something... when they were doing the image swap back and forth the labels are reversed from when they showed them separately.
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GrizzliS1987  +   136d ago
whats sad is that most of you guys call your selves gamers.

nothing but whiney noobs :/

yes i notice graphics got downgraded, but it still looks decent. Im sure you can max out your PC specs if you want to play the game in the future. They wouldnt make the game uglier if the hardware can handle it, obviously it couldnt. Why blame the devs? they are still trying to give you the best experience possible, even if it means hurting the graphics a tiny bit, they might give you a few extra frames in the process.

chill the fk out
zeal0us  +   136d ago
Something people don't realize one(PC version) is running on a gaming pc rig build for this E3 demo/presentations. Which are expensive and very high-end.

Remember Battlefield 4 E3 demo? AMD reported that was ran on $4,000 pc.
Naga  +   136d ago
@ zeal0us

That's fair to say, but not all of the promising footage which raised everyone's hopes was said to be running on a PC. Rather, there were a handful of extremely impressive demonstrations which were said to be running on final PS4 hardware.
SilentNegotiator  +   136d ago
The pre-PS4 super-high-end PC footage (obviously) looks better, but I'm not seeing this massive downgrade between last year and this year that people are ranting and raving about, other than maybe a slight downgrade in the lighting.

Are people just confused by the fact that the situations shown aren't the same, like the car with and without the helicopter spotlight, or the rain vs no rain? Because the one shot has leaves and the other doesn't?

Then again, this video is COMPRESSED TO OBLIVION, so maybe I'm just not seeing it through the ridiculous blur.
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PLASTICA-MAN  +   136d ago
To be honest, the last part of the comparison video makes me think that the last trailer was PS3 footage. I mean look at the resolution and IQ difference. Also I remeber seeing a video last year showing the PS3/X360 versions in which Ayden's trenchcoat barely moves when running comapred to the next-gen versions. The last part of the video clealry shows the difference. I don't think it is the PS4 otherwise, it would have been downgraded to... PS3 level?
Meltic  +   136d ago
probably just different lighting due to different time
DOMination-  +   136d ago
The downgrade is hugely noticeable and I blame Xbox One for not being able to handle this game and its stupid policy that means ps4 version has to be dumbed down and equal.

God damn you MS. Literally ruining this game for the majority and no doubt many more in the future
Alsybub  +   136d ago
@DOMination-

That's not how the policy you refer to works. It applies to content and features, not graphics.

Is this not a case of high-end PC vs console? Also, as mentioned above, how do we know that the really bad video of a driving section is not PS3/360? The vehicle model in that part doesn't marry with those in any of the rest of the video.
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rdgneoz3  +   136d ago
"They wouldnt make the game uglier if the hardware can handle it, obviously it couldnt."

If MS felt like it, they could try to throw around their weight using one of their old 3rd party clauses.

"Titles for Xbox 360 must ship at least simultaneously with other video game platform, and must have at least feature and content parity on-disc with the other video game platform versions in all regions where the title is available," it reads.

"If these conditions are not met, Microsoft reserves the right to not allow the content to be released on Xbox 360."

Key words being "features" and "content." If it got the new version and PC / PS4 got the original (with better graphics, the effect of explosions on nearby cars, etc), MS would raise hell. You would too if you got Big Rigs and your neighbor got GT/Forza. And if the game was already running that good on the PC and PS4, with never having shown footage of the xbone version, what do you suspect was the cause of the downgrade? They did try to hide the PS4 button layout for the "xbone" video...
abzdine  +   136d ago
i don't understand why it's suddenly a problem with this game.
this practice has been used for so long, especially with Ubisoft the kings of scam.
We saw it recently with Ryse and i'm pretty sure Quantum Break will be the same, mark my words!
Syleros  +   131d ago
You guys have no idea what you are talking about, 90% of the side by side scenes weren't even the same scenes or areas, also they are taken entirly different times of day. I mean it could be that you mouthbreathing nerds have no idea what sunlight looks like, this is understandable and forgivable

But to say that it is a noticable decrease in quality is just ignorant.

also given the fact that several of the scenes are comparison between the live demo and a television commercial, TV comercials are formatted differently than a live PC demo. you have to take all these factors into consideration before making judgment calls.

the devs worked incredibly hard to make the game more polished and fun to play for everyone.

get the game or don't thats fine, but don't sit behind your monitor and make judgment calls about the integrity of a company who have done nothing but produce quality AAA titles for the past 8 years or so, based on a side by side video of 2 completly different scenes, not only in location, but atmosphere caused by lighting and weather.
delicia  +   136d ago
Game looked ugly on PS4 when I saw it last year (closed doors live demo). The car mechanics were bad. Guess the delay did not help much, because it looks similar to what I saw in October. Oh well.
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cheetah  +   136d ago
I am gonna take a stab in the dark and guess that this one might have a really strict review embargo, ala Ryse, Alien etc

Had zero interest for this game since I first saw it. GTA5 perfected the genre and everyone else is just imitating.
spicelicka  +   135d ago
Why the main character look like a homeless handyman
KendrickLamar  +   136d ago
Nope, nope, nope, I can't take it, I'm so pissed.

I really was looking forward to this game. How could Ubisoft continuously say that the graphics got better...? IT'S FREAKING DOWNGRADED AND THEY NEED TO ADMIT IT!

A few days ago when it was rumored that Ubisoft were "frightened" off of the reactions to the game, they better be.

I'm literally on edge on whether i should cancel my pre-order or not, most likely I will though.
Geekman  +   136d ago
Dude, I'm TIRED of saying this to you people! It DOESN'T matter! It looks DECENT. It's downgraded from before yes, but it doesn't look like crap. So you would cancel a game you've been looking forward to simply because of graphics. I'm TIRED of "gamers" sould dedication to graphics! There's a @#$%ton of games that didn't have amazing graphics that were amazing, and ANOTHER @#$%ton of games that DID have amazing graphics that were horrible. Something as stupid as this isn't worth cancelling a pre-order.
Unreal01  +   136d ago
Geekman

Yes! Completely agree, it's such a shame that most games will only get recognised nowadays by how good their graphics were, when it should be how well it plays. As long as the graphics are suitable I don't see the problem. I mean, what happens when graphics become photo-realistic? People will move on to something else I imagine. Look at a game like Halo for example, the graphics are always pretty average at best, but people love it.
DeadIIIRed  +   136d ago | Well said
It's a little different when a game garnered so much hype based off amazing visuals. If this game had a unique art direction I might agree with you, but they were focusing heavily on graphical fidelity for a long time. Now that the game looks like a last-gen port we should just be happy Ubisoft is even releasing the game?

We were misled and misinformed again by Ubisoft and if people decide to vote with their wallets against such practices, how can you be against that as a gamer?
classic19  +   136d ago
kendrick, drops some more tracks bro, where u at. i think the game will look fine on ps4.
dcj0524  +   136d ago
To be fair, most gameplay was in the rain/wet which could hide a lot of ugly textures.
Dmarc  +   136d ago
@geekman.
Yea the game looks decent now, but what we fell in love with originally looked amazing.. So its obvious a lot of the love or hype has went away. Like I said before, if the game looked like this day one, I doubt many people would have an issue with it.It also probably wouldn't have gotten as much as attention either.
Ittoryu  +   136d ago
@Geekman I have to totally disagree that video makes it clear the Demo looked really good but the down grade makes the final version look like crap plain and simple. I will wait til the game actually releases and pick this up at redbox if it's any good then Ill pick up my preorder if not then I'll just roll the money into Destiny.
MeteorPanda  +   136d ago
l love when people say more graphics but don't know how much work it entails... this game looks like it'll have a lot of things happening besides the visuals, to have a ps4 playing smoothly they may of close beta'd the game and figured the graphics had to be cut a bit to prevent lag. the game still looks nice, sharp not blurry...

/shrug. l'm a lover of graphics too but l know when it's a good idea to cut back if it effects gameplay.

I wish there was a another title for people who genuinely love the games for the sake of fun then "gamers" seeing as that title has been sullied in recent years...idiots chanting like football fans over anything.
DARK WITNESS  +   136d ago
While I agree graphics is not everything in a game, I am sorry but I didn't pay £400+ for a machine to play games that have an experience and visual quality on par with last gen...

If the gameplay is going to be on par with a game last gen then I at least expect the graphics to be leap ahead.

It looks "DECENT"... Yes it does... for a last gen game!

For a game that is suppose to be pushing next gen hardware and no doubt will have an asking price of the standard £50 (depending where you buy) plus that fact that it was delayed etc... it looks like utter garbage!!

I am hoping, and I mean really hoping that this is all a big mistake and somewhere along the lines the PR guys simply got their video clips mixed up or something but looking at that video, ACBF looks like a better next gen upgrade!

This makes me very, VERY, worried about the Division and if that game will really deliver what they have shown so far.

we will have to wait and see but right now WD is not getting any money from me!
T2  +   136d ago
@Geekman - you are tired of saying this to "you People"... then stop already. If you want to hype a next gen game that looks worse than GTAV on ps3 then you go right ahead.
I'll pick it up bargain bin style at 19.99. When you move to next gen you expect next gen. If not, then I may as well go back to GTA online, why would I drop 60 bucks for a new game which is downgraded, so yes visuals do make part of a game. obviously.
Syleros  +   131d ago
@deadIIIread
"Now that the game looks like a last-gen port we should just be happy Ubisoft is even releasing the game?"

Are you sure it looks like a last gen port? have you played it on your PS4, or Xbox one at your home? oh wait, no the game isn't released till may 27th, over 3 months away. even if they printed the discs already, they can still push a day 1 update to load the better polished terrain and models. I like how people can state facts on what is what when they have no first hand perspective on the subject. it is clear and simple that this comparison vidoe is from the perspective of a total amateur, and should be taken extreamly lightly untill we have the actual release copy. this game play could have been a less polished demo, just to experience game play features.

I watch a video that showed "proof" that we didn't land on the moon, I guess cause it was a video on the internet it holds absolute facts.
Marlec  +   136d ago
Dont trust Ubisoft or you will be dissapointed. Since AC4BF they are on my sh!tlist, PC port is awful, 5 months on & V-sync is still broken !!
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   136d ago
Ps4 version is sublime tho...
-Foxtrot  +   136d ago
I've been saying for the past few months now

"How can you delay a game THIS LONG to simply polish it"

Yet I'm hit with disagrees and snide comments saying how they'll be able to make it "look better"

Well guess what....it doesn't look better

Hell if your a gamer waiting to get this on the Wii U then you should be asking yourself

"Hey...if this game looks downgraded from last years E3 on the PS4 and the Xbox One then what the shit snacks are they doing with the Wii U version since it's delayed"
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starchild  +   136d ago
There is no evidence of a downgrade from the PS4 gameplay from last year. All the assets and graphical techniques look to be the same quality to me. All I see are different lighting and weather conditions.

There has been a bit of a downgrade from the E3 2012 demo, but that was before the consoles were even announced and it was running on a PC.
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Beastforlifenoob  +   136d ago
TBH exactly what I was thinking the graphics look slightly worse but the majority is because of different conditions

Dusk VS day
rain vs no rain
Wind vs no wind
Spotlight vs no spolight

Looking at the assets, textures, details, physics and such we can determine the changes have been minimal
psman012  +   136d ago
Polishing isnt necessarily increasing the visuals. It can include that, as well as gameplay tweaks, audio bugs, code changes, optimization, etc. I really hope that the gameplay is improved (not that any of us would know how it was in the first place). I would imagine it to be gameplay issues they're fixing. Would you rather play a beautiful game with half assed mechanics, or a great looking game with excellent mechanics? I would personally choose the latter, but everyone has their own opinions, and none of them are wrong!
CERN  +   136d ago
The graphics are definitely downgraded. I will rent the game to try it out. If I enjoy it, then I'd probably buy it.
TWB  +   136d ago
They did this with Far Cry 3, now Watch Dogs and will probably carry on with The Division.

They like to demo their games with ridiculous graphical fidelity and then downgrade them to hell and back. Far Cry 3 experienced mostly downgrading with very little upgrading (character models got better along with some of the animations, just like what seem to have happened with Watch Dogs)
Saithraphim  +   136d ago
I agree with you, I'm worried about the Division also...All I hope is that the game play make up for any lack in the visuals
Up_N_U  +   136d ago
oh no the division will be the same......on PC lol ps4 looks like ps3.2
Eddie20101  +   136d ago
Most of the E3 footage was said to be on PS4 and it looked great, they never showed any Xbox One footage that I Know of. It gets delayed to make the game better, yet the graphics get downgraded. Anyone ever think that it may be because of Xbox One and Microsoft parity clause? Maybe they thought if the PS4 version looks significantly better than the Xbox One version that it would hurt the sales of the game on Xbox One. We all know they want to sell as many copies as possible.

Maybe it's not the case but seems very plausible to me.
CoLD FiRE  +   136d ago
Both the PS4 and Xbox One are underpowered when compared to PC. Deal with it!
Eddie20101  +   136d ago
Not Talking about PC. Deal with it.

I build PC's and have one that handles all games very well at max settings. I also have many consoles. Both have there place and there own advantages.

I don't feel the need to be an elitist PC Ass.
CoLD FiRE  +   136d ago
Wait! So you're crying that the PS4 version of Watch Dogs "may be" was downgraded because of the Xbox One but dismissed the FACT that PC is never fully utilized and gets dumbed down crappy ports because of consoles.

I'm no PC elitist, I enjoy my consoles too but I don't go around throwing out conspiracy theories and thinking that one of two underpowered consoles is holding back the other when the truth is that both are very similar and don't even compare to a gaming PC from 3 years ago.

The fact that most multiplats run at slightly higher resolutions on the PS4 than the Xbox One shows that developers are trying to get every bit of power they can out of both consoles. The graphics downgrade in Watch Dogs is simply due to the hardware limitations of these consoles and you have to accept that.

With all that said I agree with your point about the two having their own place and advantages.
Angeljuice  +   136d ago
@ColdFire

The reason PC games are never fully optimised is because only a few PC's could run them, so why bother coding.

The top 5-10% of PC's aren't going to receive fully optimised code ever, why would you put in the effort for such a small market.
Then factor in the big fat legacy-ridden, lumbering Direct X and you have all the answers as to why PC's consistently under-perform.
ebreda  +   136d ago
Really? Stupid post is stupid.
So there's also a Wii U version of the game.. that's clearly not the one that could me limiting, right? It HAS to be XB's.
Eddie20101  +   136d ago
@CoLD Fire

I offered an explanation about the graphics being down graded on PS4. I am not crying about any thing. It's not a conspiracy that Microsoft has a Parity clause in there Xbox contracts. Many journalist saw the game running on PS4 at E3 and many other events before they down graded the graphics and said it ran and looked great.

You first are a PC elitist now you are crying about how consoles hold PC games back. your just an argumentative douche who thinks he knows it all. you first response was just a Ass H6le comment your second is just a whiny excuse.

Don't need or require your agreement on any thing.

@ebreda

Wii U is closer to PS3 an XBox 360 than to PS4 and Xbox One. It was just an upgrade to last gen technology.

Maybe the both of you are just pissed because I said something about Microsoft and Xbox One.
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xtremeimport  +   136d ago
Does the new footage look bad?
No.

Does it look worse than before?
Yes.

If we never saw the game before no one would be talking about its visuals, but because we've seen this transition its got people talking and unfortunately not focusing on the positives of the game.
irepbtown  +   135d ago
If it looks worse than GTA V (which is only on PS3/360) then questions will be raised, whether we saw the gorgeous E3 demo or not.
numNuts  +   136d ago
Its going to be exactly the same. The gfx in The Div look to good to be true.
osprey19  +   136d ago
First, the ones shown at e3 were done on a high end pc, so it will look better.
second, the gameplay on the right is showing mainly during the day, which means it didn't get a chance to show off the weather effects like rain or wind. I still think itll look brilliant.
SonofGod  +   136d ago
Thank god The Division is next-gen and PC only.
house  +   136d ago
its going to be on consoles as well.
SonofGod  +   136d ago
@ house

I meant next-gen consoles and pc -_-
Sevir  +   136d ago
AGAIN... The 2012 demonstration of WD ran a GTX 690 PC.... we know that the PS4 and XBOX ONE dont have a GTX 690 performance... So naturally when its shown off on consoles confirmed to be weaker it was to be expected that the next gen consoles weren't gonna look as good as the PC version that was debuted...

How silly can people be to get upset when PS4 and XBOX were both 8 and 11 months away respectively from when Ubisoft demonstrated and announced a new franchise on PC?

This video just shows what we already know... There was an article posted by Digital foundary days after the E3 2013 demo of watch_dogs with debut PS4 footage in comparison to the same announcemnet demo back in 2012... and it was Posted on N4G... let me rejog everone's memory! because everyone was actually pleased at how close the PS4 came to the 2012 debut.

http://n4g.com/news/1310266...

That was Jul 15th 2013, 1 year following the debut footage on PC...
JunkyardWillie  +   136d ago
This guy Sevir is still reading over his keyboard in denial that this game has downgraded. Smh, at these gullible fanboys.
irepbtown  +   135d ago
Yes we expected a downgrade, but I for one expected it to look better than GTA V which it doesn't. I was expecting something close to this: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
GamingTruth  +   134d ago
only question is if the gtx 690 can run ps4 exclusives my guess is it cant so multiplats mean little since they are made for pc first
Azuske  +   136d ago
It's very obvious why they did this. I'm not trying to sound like a fan boy but they did this to have the frame rate and resolution comparable to the weaker consoles so nobody could compare them after it's released on weaker consoles. Not going to say which are the weaker ones because I'm sure you guys already know.

If the game was released back when originally planned most likely the issues they were having were frame rate issues across all platforms including the PS4. Now while they could just optimize this for PS4 they would have had to downgrade the visuals on the other consoles in order to provide the same experience without making the other consoles look like the weaker consoles. Keep in mind that this was before the Resolution and frame rate wars on consoles started between the PS4 and Xbone. Maybe Ubisoft was trying to play both sides and in order to do that they had to "Polish" the game.
Aloren  +   136d ago
What is very obvious is that you're paranoid and/or delusional if you actually think that anyone at ubi thought it would be a good plan to significantly downgrade a game on one system just so that the other system doesn't look as bad, especially if their objective was to prevent people from comparing them when the games come out (not to mention they never did that).

They knew people would compare with what they've already seen, and they also know people always compare the different versions of a game...

Also,by now you should be aware that the overall look of the game doesn't dramatically change when its resolution change. It looks a bit sharper, a bit better; but it's not like people playing a game in 900p on one console after playing it in 1080p on another console start puking and bleeding from the eyes...

What happened is that neither ps4 nor xboxone can handle what was shown in 2012 n a pc with a GPU that is still more expensive than both consoles combined two years later...
Azuske  +   136d ago
@aloren LOL they do it all the time. What the hell are you talking about? Plus I said other CONSOLES meaning more than one. This is a multi platform for both last gen and current gen. Yes, Over all look can help the resolution if the graphics are less demanding which in this case may be the reason why they "polished" the game. They did it with Final Fantasy 13 when it went multi platform last generation. On top of that you obviously didn't know that WatchDogs before it being "Polished" was actually running on PS4 hardware. They didn't make the trailers out of pure CG which is why the video above are using two GAMEPLAY trailers... One being a 2013 GAMEPLAY trailer and the other being the just released 2014 GAMEPLAY trailer. I'll do you a favor and take your ignorance to another level and send you a message containing the 15 min video of them playing it on the console showing the open world gameplay which was dated September 2013. Stick to your typical reading and do us a favor by not commenting in the future. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
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Aloren  +   136d ago
Sure, you said consoles, cause there are more than ones. You also said "Not going to say which are the weaker ones because I'm sure you guys already know.".

Anyway, I've seen your video last year. You misunderstand my point. Back then I thought the same thing as I do now. "Neat, though not as good looking as in the reveal trailer". I just don't think that new trailer looks as bad as some of you seem to imply.

Also, instead of worrying about my ignorance, you might want to see how the game looks and plays in a few weeks instead of watching over and over a slow motion gif of a car lit up by an helicopter and jumping on a bridge highlighted for interaction. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Azuske  +   136d ago
@aloren I'm going to buy it regardless and in sure I'm going to love the game but I'm speaking based on what I see above and what I saw in the video sent. The graphics have been downgraded and and that quote referred to both Xbone and Wii U both being weaker consoles by specs and performance so far. I see your point but I also have good eyes. Gameplay doesn't seem to have changed but graphics defiantly have and that's all in speaking about as well as your comment about overall look not drastically help resolution which isnt true as well as your comment of consoles not being able to run it. Both being untrue. Till the game comes out this is what I see and I had an opinion on what I see as do everyone else and it concerns us.
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SITH  +   136d ago
Yeah I have to admit, I am worried about division. I will pass on watchdogs.
PSX04  +   136d ago
Preorder Canceled
Azuske  +   136d ago
LOL damn! You don't think it's worth buying anymore?
Meltic  +   136d ago
The division and ubisoft in montreal isnt the same team lol. The division team is from MALMO sweden and Watch dogs team is from montreal.
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rhcpfan  +   136d ago
You guys do realize downgrades like this happen quite often right? Final builds rarely end up looking as good as their E3 counterparts.
assdan  +   136d ago
It looks "worse" graphically, that's it. You do realize you've probably only been shown PC gameplay, right?
Hellsvacancy  +   136d ago
http://www.youtube.com/watc... played with a PS4 controller
assdan  +   135d ago
@Hellsvancy. That's not hard to do. The ps4 controller auto-connects with a PC, you just have to program the buttons. Not really that hard, and that hardly proves anything.
tee_bag242  +   136d ago
Wow and Damn!! It now official looks like a$$.
Where oh where did they go wrong?!

They've totally downgraded the lighting engine, textures res, and got rid of any Ambient Occlusion since the 2012 build. Guess I won't be playing this on a console.
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S2Killinit  +   136d ago
i don't think it looks that different. not that there is no difference. also i can't shake the feeling that MS money is behind this defamation
cellur111  +   135d ago
Don't care as long as the game is fun.
PurpHerbison  +   135d ago
Sometimes polishing a game requires lowering the graphics. You want graphics, get a PC.
GamingTruth  +   134d ago
im fine with my ps4 and 3 for graphics and even xbox systems especially for exclusives exclusives for ps3 and 4 even xboxes exclusives are where i find the most dazzling graphics not negligibly different multiplat pc version games
triangletodd  +   136d ago
Oh boy, it's getting ugly for Ubisoft.
Marlec  +   136d ago
Its Ubisoft, they bullsh!t alot so just go with low expectations to avoid dissapointment.
Geekman  +   136d ago
.......Yes. It still looks fine, though, and I stand by my philosophy that as long as it looks fine then it will be a fun game. Yet I can't seem to get it through your skulls that resolution doesn't matter.
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Naga  +   136d ago | Well said
A lot of us understand that resolution isn't the end-all of video gaming. However, that isn't the real issue at hand. Rather, people like me are concerned with the "why" of the matter: Why has this game seen a downgrade? Was it a matter of technical necessity due to additional content, or were we being misled last year?

The answer to that "why" question has tremendous ramifications in terms of long-term trust with Ubisoft... and it has been well-demonstrated that consumer trust (or lack thereof) can make or break the success of any game or console.

Personally, I still intend to buy the game because, like you, I think the game will probably be a fun game. But I'm still concerned with the bigger picture of what's going on here. Hopefully that's an understandable position to hold.
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LAWSON72  +   136d ago
SOny has got away with downscaled graphics and they seem to be doing just fine.
TheTowelBoy  +   136d ago
Bubs for well said, sir. I agree. It's scary to think such a thing happened to a game I preordered. There's nothing that GRABS me about it anymore, the way the old build did. It's so bland, and absolutely nothing "Next gen" is here to beheld.
Aloren  +   136d ago
"Why has this game seen a downgrade?"

Probably because the hardware it ran on when it was revealed is unfortunetly far too expensive for consoles to rival it.
RevXM  +   136d ago
@ Lawson
When did Sony have a 1st party/exclusive with obviously downscaled graphics?

Please do not say Killzone 2, it was the press making out a TARGET render to be actual live gameplay. Yes Jack Tretton said to IGN it was gameplay but Guerilla themselfes denied this from the beginning. KZ2 was in fact intended for Ps2 for a short while but Guerilla changed their mind when they though that the game could probably look as good as the trailer they were about to show if they made it for the ps3 and Id say KZ2 is one damn fine looking game and the trailer so in fact the prerendered trailer was in fact a target for the renderquality or fidelity that Guerilla wanted for Kz2.

http://i5.photobucket.com/a...

http://www.themindofgame.co...

http://media.psu.com/media/...

http://image.jeuxvideo.com/...

http://i5.photobucket.com/a...

Also... them physics

http://selectstartgames.fil...
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tee_bag242  +   136d ago
Why the downgrade. Simply. Ubisoft had to predict the spec the new consoles would be back in early development..and they both came up short
iceman06  +   136d ago
I agree it looks good. But, before, it looked GREAT! That's the issue. There is a difference between resolution and graphical fidelity. It seems, from just about every comparison, that the graphics have suffered (especially in details) since the delay. This doesn't mean that I am not interested in the game anymore. But, I would have loved for them to be able to deliver on their initial vision of the game...graphically as well as conceptually.
PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt  +   136d ago
i still think it looks fine lol ppl complain with a little dip i mean you can see the difference but its still a good looking game..

this game is on all platforms i don't think ppl understand that. who cares man graphics look fine gfx isn't everything.

they put out a trailer in 2012 it looked amazing if they can't meet those graphics whatever dude life goes on game still looks fine
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WickedLester  +   136d ago
Geekman,

you still don't get it do you? What gamers are tired of is companies like Ubisoft trying to pass off "Pixar" videos as true representations of what the game will actually look like. It's this kind of attitude that you have thats let companies continue to get away with such "bush league" tactics. To make matters worse, the game right now looks WORSE than not only the 2012 CGI movie but also the 2013 E3 reveal that was supposed to be running on PS4 dev kits!.
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house  +   136d ago
your 100 percent correct check out how it looked in 2013 on the ps4!! https://www.youtube.com/wat...
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   136d ago
It's ok wicked...these companies are gonna have to learn the hard way. Lies will equal no sales.
DeadlyFire  +   136d ago
I still don't believe they downgraded anything on PS4/XB1/PC versions by much. This video is only comparing different shots here and there. Different lighting, and different weather elements. You can't compare things like that it has to be a side by side of same thing to compare it accurately.
nanostar  +   136d ago
not sure how you guys can say its worse when one is for the ps4 and the other is for pc. If both were pc demos then I can understand
nerdman67  +   136d ago
They said that the old videos were running on PS4
LAWSON72  +   136d ago
The first E3 demo was played before the announcement of PS4, and it was clearly being played w/ 360 controller on PC
nerdman67  +   136d ago
Im taking about the footage after that, the kind that looked EXACTLY like the E3 footage.
starchild  +   136d ago
@nerfman67

You are completely wrong. There WAS a downgrade between the E3 2012 demo and the PS4 gameplay from 2013.

"the image quality on the PS4 version of Watch Dogs does indeed look slightly less refined than in the previous PC demo."

"Taking this into account, there are some clear examples where certain features have been scaled back. Depth of field is used more often in the older PC demo, and to greater effect, while the appearance of ambient lighting and shadowing also seems toned down on the PS4, reducing depth and visual flair across the scene. Weather-based touches, such as the splashes of water kicked up by the cars or by the rain hitting parts of the environment, are also dialed back on PS4, while in other areas there are subtle differences in how shader effects are handled on PC, where these elements appear slightly more pronounced."

"The overall feeling we get is that the visual presentation is generally less refined on PS4, and as a result the world doesn't quite generate the level of immersion it did during previous showings."
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

I noticed the drop in quality between the PC demo and the PS4 gameplay, but I see no actual evidence of a downgrade between last year's PS4 gameplay and the trailer they just released. All I see are differences in lighting and weather conditions.

You can't compare different sections of gameplay with different weather and lighting conditions and get an accurate comparison. You have to have the technical knowledge to look past vague impressions and actually analyse the graphical techniques and assets being used. When you look past the lighting and weather differences I see no evidence of lower quality assets or missing or downgraded effects between last year's PS4 gameplay and the new trailer.
Psychotica  +   136d ago
Wow the car at the beginning when it jumps across the bridge looks really bad, looks like it was on a mobile device.
Father__Merrin  +   136d ago
polishing the game with boot polish?
BABY-JEDI  +   136d ago
More like turd polish!
Unreal01  +   136d ago
Is that a real thing?
AndrewLB  +   136d ago
Unreal01- Yes. It's been done. http://youtu.be/yiJ9fy1qSFI
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geddesmond  +   136d ago
The game still looks good in the new trailer. Just not as good as the last trailer. I'll still buy it but until a game has gone gold and I know for sure how it looks I will not hype up the graphics to anyone for a game again.
nope111  +   136d ago
Oh.... o-oh god MY EYES!
chrissx  +   136d ago
This is disappointing for real
yezz  +   136d ago
That orange car scene looks like a different game compared to the other clips.
Plagasx  +   136d ago
It literally looks like a clip from one of the Cruis'n racing games.
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Alsybub  +   136d ago
360/PS3 version?
rbluetank  +   136d ago
it almost looks like a last gen game... I am a little trouble by this new look.. I hope the gameplay makes up for the downgrade.
Longshot28  +   136d ago
don't care still buying it.
Sketchy_Galore  +   136d ago
Maybe it's just part of the plot. Maybe Aiden has to track down the criminal mastermind that has replaced the city's streets with grey construction paper and started pumping thick blue smog into the city at night.
Perjoss  +   136d ago
This is why you should never get pulled into early hype. Next up, The Division, remember how truly amazing that looked in the E3 demo? well don't be surprised if it gets the same treatment that Watch Dogs is getting.

Dont fall for early gameeplay demo videos.
Dont blindly pre order games until you see some review scores.
PrinceOfAllSaiyans  +   136d ago
When the person was driving it looked like an iPad racing game.
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   136d ago
Now thats what i call a sticky situation...
Jughead3416  +   136d ago
In 2014, graphics and gameplay are important to me. I don't want graphics being downgraded. Especially when they showed it off for PS4 at E3 2013 looking pretty similar to the E3 2012 footage on a high end PC. The last time we seen this game, it was looking spectacular. Next-gen stuff. They delay it, and show it off again after the delay looking like a PS3/360 game. Did they delay it to downgrade it?
FlameHawk  +   136d ago
Ok, now I see the downgrade, I didn't understand what people were seeing in that gif but damn that car looks so downgraded and so does everything else.
Eddie20101  +   136d ago
The lighting and particle effects are what's been downgraded, unfortunately it does make a huge difference.
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Jughead3416  +   136d ago
They need to prove that it still looks next gen. Release another gameplay video just to prove it still looks just as good as before. I don't know if anyone remembers, but some months ago they showed gameplay of Aisha Tyler's in game character, and the game looked even worse than the new trailer that just came out. Everyone thought it may be the Wii U version or something, but there was some grumbling then too. Anyone remember that?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Ravenor  +   136d ago
Fairly certain that was confirmed to be using the PS3/360 version.
AndrewLB  +   136d ago
It makes absolutely no sense to release a trailer made on last-gen consoles. At least if they made the trailer on the premier graphics platform, PC, everyone would get to see the game in all it's glory and I think with any multi platform game it's safe to just assume the trailer will always be made using the best graphics available. Plus it's always easiest to record the footage using PC as well, and the capture software like Adobe Premier is better than any other platform.
Metallox  +   136d ago
No, it wasn't confirmed. What was confirmed, is that this is just a montage, not footage of last gen versions, according to Jonathan Morin words.
DeadIIIRed  +   136d ago
The black levels are just horrendous now. Looks like someone turned the brightness up to 100 and the sharpness to -5.
HempHead247  +   136d ago
This game needs to at least look better than black flag if not as good. These graphics look crappy
curtis92  +   136d ago
I blame parity. This is why cross-gen games need to die.

Also, I'm still pumped for this game.
Realplaya  +   136d ago
It's still a business and all customers haven't bought into 8th gen yet.
Sokol  +   136d ago
Interesting to see how this plays out, waiting to see more footage
MegaDan  +   136d ago
Q: Why was WD graphics downgraded?

A: Micro$oft Parity Policy.
OsirisBlack  +   136d ago
I truly doubt that It is probably more in line with the fact that it is coming out on ps3 and XB360 ... at first I thought this game could hold its own graphically with Infamous second son..... I was woefully wrong.
AndrewLB  +   136d ago
That would make sense if the PS4 and PC versions looked the same since it would be far easier to just do a straight port instead of dumbing down various PS4 settings to ensure it can stay within the 1080p requirement even if textures, shadows, and lighting have to suffer to achieve it.
GamingTruth  +   134d ago
i think the developers just purposely try to make the pc version better of every game so that you pc nerds wont cry and say the developers didnt "try" lol pc nerds are stupid
Hercules189  +   136d ago
Even the biggest sony fans can admit that the Xbox one can do way better than this.
tee_bag242  +   136d ago
lol...if that's the case how was bf4 better on ps4 ?!
Could it just be that the early gameplay was running on a PC..hmm I wonder
Knuckle Duster  +   136d ago
Such BS ! I just might skip this at launch out of principle! Disgusted with how developers are getting away with this kind of crap more and more! I say shinanigans!
Realplaya  +   136d ago
Is it me or is Ubisoft having a problem getting used to the 8th gen systems all 3 Systems.
Dangerousfps  +   136d ago
Just before PS4's launch, my local game shop had a Sony employee, ID badge and all that, demonstrating this game allegedly (actual console wasn't on display!) on PS4. Using a DualShock 4 controller. It was amazing looking. Also stating it was running at 60 fps. From what I saw it was true. I have a photographic memory of this event to this day. Now I see this footage and am upset at the lies and deceit of it all.
I'm still looking forward to this game non the less. But from now on I will never believe any hype/promotion/marketing/info blurb.
Endo-Endo  +   136d ago
Any one remember Mafia 2 and how incredible it looked at E3 and how bad the PS3 demo was or Aliens colonial marines, well that's what this reminds me of so colour me sceptical. I'm going to wait and see how the game looks when it comes out before dropping £50 on a good looking PS3 game.
Ravenor  +   136d ago
Or Red Steel, or AC1, or Far Cry 3.
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