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Review: Thief Is Confused And Disappointing, But Has Merit [EGMR]

Quote: "Thief is mixed. It's confused, unfocused and restricted, and disappointing overall. However, it's also not without merit, and there are good ideas here and really fun stealth gameplay when its elements are working. It unfortunately doesn't justify a full price purchase or picking up of the PS4 or Xbox One versions, as the game underwhelms both graphically and technically. In the end, stealth fanatics can be satisfied, but honestly Thief is its own worst enemy. You'd best avoid a full price purchase, and wait for a better deal."

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woodchipper891416d ago

Better than majority of IGN reviews. Good job.

Tody_ZA1416d ago

If you prefer reviews that scored the game 8s and 9s, that is fine. Quoting them to explain why my review is 'wrong' or why I 'don't understand Thief' is rather uncalled for don't you think? My review doesn't have to fall in line with those, or the assortment of 5-7s the game got either. It's been mixed.

It's simply my opinion though - and holds no authority or command at all :) Neither my word nor a metacritic average is gospel. I have loved many games that didn't do great critically - including titles like Silent Hill: Downpour and Spec Ops: The Line.

If you don't agree, that's cool with me. I would strongly advise trying the game out for yourself - I didn't advise against playing Thief at all. I actually said it's worth the time in my review. I admitted to having fun and really liking the game too.

But I'm rating on quality and not my personal enjoyment. It was just my opinion to advise against paying full price for it.

I am glad that you got your money's worth with the game, but just like my opinion yours isn't an authority either. Everyone has their own, and should be free to get one.

I played the previous games in the series, so I am not new to Thief. I have Deadly Shadows installed on my PC and was playing it leading up to the new game.

I think I was fair considering I did not just blindly hate on the game or insult it maliciously. I liked it personally.

I feel you're overreacting. The game also got plenty of 6s-7s. No opinion is "correct".

The game is not bad, and it definitely has merit.

Neonridr1416d ago

But for every high review there's a bad review too. Metacritic has this at 69 currently on the PS4. 70 isn't terrible, but a far cry from a 90 average.

Locksus1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

Well, atrocious story and writing, horrible level design coupled with blind guards are not Thief is about.

I could start listing all the negative reviews to counter your argument (only listing positive reviws) as to why THIAF is a horrible game.

woodchipper891416d ago

A review is only an opinion. I think the game is a 7 but the review was well written.

savaroth1416d ago

If you're happy with your purchase: fine. Your links however prove little.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
http://www.metacritic.com/g...
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Now when we look at both critic and user reviews the scores are average. ( not bad though ). As such paying full price does seem a bit much.

aaron58291416d ago

Well... i for one, never really relied much on reviews.

Personally, I'm having a lot of fun with Thief so far. That asylum chapter ! :P

But, i'm a stealth guy, so this game was for me from the start.

starchild1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

@Savaroth

My links show that there are many reviewers that think Thief is a great game.

A metacritic average doesn't represent some kind of holy word of god that we all must bow down to. I absolutely despise that attitude in many gamers. They act like a metacritic average is the gospel truth and a game simply IS whatever its average ends up being.

The reality is, Thief has received mixed scores. Views on the game are pretty polarized. Many reviewers thought it was great, but some thought it was horrible. Personally, I think those reviewers who thought it was horrible have their heads up their @sses and have horrible taste in games. It's amazing how just a few extremely low scores can skew the whole thing towards a much lower average.

If you look at metacritic you can see that there are more positive reviews for Thief than mixed reviews, and only one negative review.

In any case, when there are so many journalist reviews and user reviews that rate the game very highly it is absurd to say something like "paying full price does seem a bit much". For those that love the game paying full price obviously doesn't seem like too much. As a reviewer I don't think I would ever say that about a game. Especially not one that I knew many reviewers thought highly of.

Neonridr1416d ago

@starchild - so every reviewer that didn't like the game had their head up their a$$ but every good reviewer got the game spot on? Wow, someone sounds a little biased here.

In terms of critic reviews, currently there is one more positive than mixed, so not exactly worth bragging rights.

I am not saying we should take metacritic for any word of god or anything, but when games like GTA V, TLOU, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Mario 3D World, etc all score very high metacritic results, there is a reason for that. All these were GOTY contenders and their scores are indicative of that.

So are you saying that we shouldn't take metacritic scores into account for all these great games too? That they didn't justifiably get great scores across the board?

We can't just conveniently accept or deny these results to help back up our case...

Tody_ZA1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

Agreed with Neonridr. Well said. +Bubble :)

I'm not sure exactly what you're proving, starchild. Quoting only the reviews and sources which validate your belief about the game is irrational. It's called a confirmation bias.

I'm perfectly happy if you feel your purchase was justified. That's a great feeling. You're at full liberty to enjoy the game. But you need to accept the reality that there are people who didn't, or who did but hoped for more.

If you read my review, you would see that I both enjoyed the game and said it was worth the time, but I personally don't feel it's worth full price. That's just a viewpoint. I rated it on my view of its quality. But it's subjective - there is no authority to my score or what I've said.

On Metacritic, since we're bringing it up, out of 35 reviews for the PS4 version, 17 are positive, 17 are mixed and 1 is negative. Average score is 69.

Are any of those reviewers 'right' or 'wrong'? Nope. But they all have the freedom to express their opinion, provided its done in a tactful manner and is not malicious, factually incorrect or biased.

The only thing it proves, since Metacritic is far from gospel, is that opinions were mixed.

This comment from you makes little sense:

"The reality is, Thief has received mixed scores. Views on the game are pretty polarized. Many reviewers thought it was great, but some thought it was horrible. Personally, I think those reviewers who thought it was horrible have their heads up their @sses and have horrible taste in games. It's amazing how just a few extremely low scores can skew the whole thing towards a much lower average."

You concede views on the game are polarized. But then go on to say that all those on the negative side of the scale are wrong and their taste in games is bad. There's no reason to debate with you further once you say something like that.

And it's not "a few" reviews, as I proved above.

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deester1416d ago

I feel the same way!!! I rented the game and played it for 2-3 hours it was all I could take

theXtReMe11416d ago

I really enjoyed the review. Informative, precise and fun to read. One of the best reviews Ive read in some time. Thank you.

I rented the game from Gamefly and the reviews make me not even want to play it. I dont want to ruin my time with the series, by soiling its good name. Especially so early into next gen, with technical issues. It shows how confusion and frustration in development can lead to a poorly executed game. This title has been in development for so long, slated for different systems, that it lost its focus(and many members of its development team) along the way. You know when members of the development team start jumping ship, that there are many issues with the game... So much so that they dont want their name, in any shape or form, attached to it.

Its a shame, that such a storied and well received franchise, should suffer this fate. It just feels disrespectful, for the history of gaming and what Thief meant to it.

JeepGamer1416d ago

This review strikes me as "Hey, this game was not what I imagined it to be in my own mind before I played it so it's not that good"

Section81416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

"It unfortunately doesn't justify a full price purchase or picking up of the PS4 or Xbox One versions, as the game underwhelms both graphically and technically"

If you've even seen the 360 or ps3 version, than you'd better get the next gen version instead. They look awful most of the time compared to ps4 and x1. And it does justify the full price unless you're a small child who can't buy his own games. Your review reads like you've never even played the game. It's like someone told you about it and you took their word for it.

To rely on a review for any game is retarded. People should be able to decide for themselves just from trailers and walkthroughs.

Tody_ZA1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

1. I played the game for almost fifteen hours, completing it on Master with added modifiers on my first playthrough and played the first five or so chapters again on normal to experiment with combat take downs and other enabled features. I derped around with Remote Play. I also have played and currently own its predecessors. I can post a screenshot of my playtime if you'd like, but I guess that would be photoshopped, right?

2. "And it does justify the full price unless you're a small child who can't buy his own games." This comment makes absolutely no sense. Why? There are people in this very comment section who don't think it's worth full price. Are they 'right' or 'wrong'? No. Is it fine for them to have that opinion? Sure. The irony is also rather interesting of calling someone a small child after making that sort of statement and assumption.

3. If you can, and prefer, to decide for yourself through trailers and walkthroughs - why are you paying attention to reviews? Let those who use them get the information they require and then make their own informed decision.