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Microsoft’s Million Dollar Mistake

Is Microsoft releasing Titanfall on both the Xbox 360 and One a huge mistake?

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zeronhero881d ago

is ms making money a mistake?

no.

Illionaire881d ago TrollingShowReplies(1)
mrpsychoticstalker881d ago

Is not a mistake, they are thinking for the future.

Visiblemarc881d ago

Short game thinking. MS has to start converting some 360 owners into xb1 owners . Even if it's at the expense of short term game sales.

The thing is that they've already largely abandoned 360 already and this was surely part of the EA deal. Otherwise the sales numbers would have been too small for EA to grant exclusivity.

It was sort of a catch 22 though, because in order to snag a perceived system seller, they had to remove an essential part of what would have made it a system seller.

DeadMansHand881d ago

I suspect they are being more crafty that you give them credit for. Current 360 only owners are spending money in the MS ecosystem. It's no secret that a lot of this gen adopters are opting for the PS4. There have been a lot of converts in those numbers. The XONE has not lived up to the hype for a lot of people so I think MS would rather keep their current customers on the 360 and spending money then getting them thinking about a new system and risk losing them to Sony. Now, once the kinks are ironed out (if that's even possible) and they feel they are on even footing with the PS4 then they will start pushing it. Problem is, I don't think they ever will be. Raw power aside, once PlayNow drops and PS4 Plus starts getting more games I feel Sony will dominate this gen

Eonjay881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

@DeadmansHand

I get your theory, but disagree because of the as yet completely MIA 360 version of Titanfall. I mean there have actually succeeded in showing no footage whatsoever with less than a month to go. That has never been done.

We see MLB 2014 PS3 vs PS4 visuals. Same with Metal Gear. But what EA has done with Titanfall 360 is new and someone needs to call Microsoft out on it. 360 owners need to call them out.

In reference to the money issue, its hard to say because there are so many different conflicting interests. EA may have let Microsoft suppress TF360 (#ProveItExists) but they wouldn't allow it for PC as it netted them a huge increase in Origin membership. Yes, EA needs 360 more than Microsoft does because only 360 can help recover the lost PS4 sales. So its difficult to say because everyone has their own motives.

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styferion881d ago

it depends on their goal,
Is it to make as much money as possible? then it's no mistake.
Is it to boost XB1 sales? It's a mistake then just like my case, because I already have many friends on X360 and the console price is too high to justify playing only 1 game.
Worse yet if there's no crossplay between 360 and XB1, me and my 360 friends would corner my XB1 friends in some dark alleyways and force them to buy the 360 version.

showtimefolks881d ago

ms have made mistakes after mistakes, funny thing is how everyone expected MS to kick sony's ass and they mess up as badly as they did

sony had this big head after PS2 and now MS after the success of xbox 360

CERN881d ago

This isn't a Microsofts game, it's Respawn Entertainments game. They already took a gamble by not going multi-platform, there not going to reduce there market by going Xboxone only.

Picnic881d ago

How is releasing a battle game that is not particularly niche on Xbox360, Xbox One and PC a 'gamble'?

For the sake of support from Microsoft as an 'exclusive to Microsoft' franchise it was probably well worth Respawn's while not releasing it on PS4.

It was in Repsawn's interests to get as many 'Microsoft platform' people playing their game as soon as possible.

It's not necessarily in Microsoft's interests that it wasn't kept an exclusively Xbox One game.

CERN880d ago

What you say is true, but remember Microsoft is not publishing this game, nor are they developing it. Respawn Entertainment have chosen not develop for the PS4 from the start because they and many others in the industry have predicted that the xbox one would lead this generation and didn't thing it was necessary to to develop it for the ps4 as it would mean more time and money. Remember Respawn Entertainment is a fairly new company and they need this game to do well for them to succeed. And at that time Microsoft proposal was to good to pass.

If they new the ps4 was going to be this popular, they would of kept it multi platform from The start. So the reason why there not going to release it on XBOXONE only is because, 1) Microsoft does not have the power to decide which console to release the game, unless they flash some more money. 2) Respawn Entertainment are not going to risk only releasing it on a brand new console that's only been out for 5months or so not knowing how well it's going to do.

The good thing is, Respawn Entertainment have said there's a good chance they will make Titan fall 2 for PS4 as we'll. Unless Microsoft buys the whole franchise that is.

Picnic881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

Your post is not, in itself necessarily wrong. But it's a deliberately blinkered way of looking at it.

Ways that that having an Xbox360 version could be harmful:

People who would have bought an Xbox One for Titanfall now don't need to.
They could possibly just get Titanfall on PC or Xbox360- and buy a PS4 for all their other next gen games instead.

Also, the fact that there is an Xbox360 version at all doesn't promote Titanfall as a particularly 'next-gen' game, graphically or mechanically. It gives the impression that the Xbox One version must be like a slightly souped up Xbox360 game really.

Given the current general pro-PS4 sway in popular opinion, it is not very useful to MS to give people a reason why they don't need to buy an Xbox One.

HaveAsandwich880d ago

its a risky bet. had they made it xb1 only, it could have caused even more of an uproar, and turned off even more people.

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iamnsuperman881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

It doesn't really mater for Microsoft (except they can't push more Ones) since they get profits from both game sales. But I don't think they had a choose. The spent a fortune (no denying that but we just don't know how much they spent) getting "exclusive" Titanfall (with PC). Having it just on the Xbox One would require even more money (since they would need to offset the potential loss EA would have if it just release on a new small install base system)

Insomnia_84881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

But how much did they pay for the exclusivity?? I find it really stupid to be paying for timed exclusivity.

iamnsuperman881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

We just do not know and we will probably never know. Most likely a lot (tens of millions has been talked about and it seems Microsoft has been the one doing the marketing push so add that onto the purchase price) but this is nothing compared to the size they will have to pay for exclusivity of Titanfall 2 (since EA predictions seems to have backfired).

Insomnia_84881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

If they paid $50 million just for a couple of timed exclusive dlc episodes of GTAIV..

http://www.rockstarwatch.ne...

How much are they paying for timed exclusivity for a "full"(is it a full game with no campaign for $60?) game?? How much did they pay for Bioshock, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Mass Effect, and any other game that was "exclusive" before???? I seriously don't understand why they don't put that money into REAL exclusives. How much did they pay for Gears Of War exclusivity and how much did they buy the franchise for now after paying for exclusivity through the whole 360 gen???

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Malice-Flare881d ago

how much? i hope its enough to cover those among the 80 million PS3s who would have bought it, and not just those who would have on PS4...

considering that MS is now just giving it away in a bundle for XB1...

Aces17881d ago

It's not a timed exclusive.

loulou881d ago

its a new franchise so i doubt it cost fortune.

the sequel though..... that will be expensive

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Godmars290881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

One, seems like MS has a bad habit of doing long term investments for short term goals.

Second, MS isn't the only party with a finger in the potential Titanfall pie. Just as MS likely paid them to make the new IP semi-exclusive to their brand, EA still wants to see a general rather than fixed profit said payoff overall represents. Which is why the game is on PC, and probably why any sequels might show up on the PS4.

Nevermind they haven't really said anything about DLC. Just newer and more controversial microtransactions.

MousenJoypad881d ago

Respawn have pretty much said that Titanfall will not have DLC as they did not want to go down that route, and it's true that Microsoft is finding it hard to shift Xbox Ones, but the recent figures have shown that Sony are now shifting less PS4's than Microsoft at the moment. Sony is also having major problems shifting the games on the platform. I just think that people don't have the cash to trade up to the new consoles, and that both were released in a tough financial market.

iamnsuperman881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

I was with you for the first half but what are you talking about here

"but the recent figures have shown that Sony are now shifting less PS4's than Microsoft at the moment. Sony is also having major problems shifting the games on the platform. I just think that people don't have the cash to trade up to the new consoles, and that both were released in a tough financial market."

Sony is having problems meeting demand not being unable to shift units or game sales. Where did that come from?

awesomeisjayell881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

um the x1 software sales are beating the PS4 in software sales by a million and some change in US. Go look it up everyone knows that PS4 hardly have any good games to play atm.

iamnsuperman881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

@awesomeisjayell

What? I think 12 million software for 5ish million units is amazing. So does what you say prove MousenJoypad right? He says Sony is struggling to shift software. Does what you say add anything to that? No

PS4(US)5.64 (Europe)5.16 (Japan)0.53 (Other)1.11 (Total)12.44
XOne (US)6.23 (Europe)2.55 (Japan)0.00 (Other)0.57 (Total)9.35
(sadly VG chartz is the only source for this)

stuna1881d ago

Durp!!! To the second part of your comment. The PS4 has a consistent sales gap over the Xbox1, has had that sales ratio since both have released even though being console constrained. Exactly where have you been the last couple of months?

BitbyDeath881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

You gotta be trolling? When you add together the recent sales of the 360 + Xbone it still doesn't come close to PS4 sales, let alone PS4 & PS3 sales.

MysticStrummer881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

"recent figures have shown that Sony are now shifting less PS4's than Microsoft at the moment"

That's happening at no moment, nowhere.

XB1 isn't winning in a single place where both consoles are available. All totals... overall, monthly, weekly... show PS4 outselling XB1 by at least 2:1 and as much as 5:1 in some places.

Recent figures have shown PS3 is outselling XB1.

BitbyDeath881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

In fact we know Sony are selling over a million PS4's each month, last month MS sold 145k on the NPD when you add in the rest of the world they would have sold a maximum of 250k worldwide, likely closer to 200k.

So worldwide, PS4 may actually be outselling Xbone by just under or just over 1 million consoles in the month of Jan.

Now imagine what Feb will be like with the extra 350k boost (Japan).

EDIT: Just remembered Sony advertised they jumped from 4.2 million EOY to 5.3 in Feb. So just under.

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mhunterjr881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

Something like 90% of last gen gamers have yet to upgrade. The amount of money it would have cost to convince EA to skip PS4, PS3, PC, and 360 in favor of a system that has a sub 5mil install base would have been astronomical. Even if that made Titan Fall sell a few more xb1's, the return wouldn't have justified the size of the investment.

Doing it this way will sell a few xb1's, give current 360 owners a reason to hold off on switching to Sony, and make EA and Microsoft a lot of money. Clearly this was the best way to go about it...

n4gamingm881d ago

First thing I thought off when I read this, why is it a bad decisions with over 80mill 360 and added in the PC. Assure that no matter how many unit it sells on 360 or Xbox one its money for each, respawn, and microsoft

Brettman2008881d ago

mhunterjr

Don't think Titanfall 2 would be released until 2016 at the earliest so PS4 install base should be well over 20 million, probably closer to 40 million.

admiralvic881d ago

Exactly this.

Though I would add in the franchise potential of this game. If it takes off and becomes successful like M$ wants, then TitanFall 2 might be a strong system seller. It would have that "oh, I got to upgrade to play this" thing going for it and it's clear M$ is thinking long term with TF.

mhunterjr881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

I'm sure MS would like this to be a long term franchise deal, but I'm not sure if they can pull it off. Remember what happend with Mass Effect.

MS had to pay EA to make up for the lack of ps3 and ps4 versions. The the cost of skipping PS4, I'm sure, was relatively small this time because the installed base(while impressive) is currently a drop in the bucket compared to the PS3. By the time TitanFall 2 comes around, the PS4's installed base could be around 20mil. It would cost ALOT more money for MS to get another exclusive deal done, especially if TF1 performs well.

Think of it like trying to re-sign a free agent after he had an MVP season. We'll see... money talks after all... and MS has no 'salary cap' :)

admiralvic881d ago

@ Mhunterjr

I don't doubt that, but multiplayer games you tend to want to play with friends and people on the Xbox will know what it is like, unlike PlayStation gamers who don't play or perhaps even own an Xbox. So in a way it's creating a sense of loyalty, similar to how a lot of people continued playing Mass Effect on the Xbox because of character transfers.

mhunterjr881d ago

Ok I see what you're saying. Even if Titan fall goes to other consoles, folks might associate it with Xbox, the same way mass effect sales leaned towards Xbox and final fantasy leaned towards ps3... I could see that being true.