Submitted by Wedge19 493d ago | news

Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition on PS4 is 1080p/30fps

"Following its PS4 announcement yesterday (and inclusion in the North American/European Instant Game Collections), some new information about Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition has been revealed, including that Housemarque didn’t handle the PS4 port, but rather Sony XDev Europe and Climax Studios. What this news means is that the other PS4 project Housemarque was working on (Resogun was the first) is still unannounced.

Getting back to Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition, Housemarque confirmed that it would run at 1080p/30fps." -PSLS (Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition, PS4)

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The_Infected  +   493d ago
You'd think this game could easily be 1080p/60 on PS4.

It's kinda funny reading the below article from OPM then seeing Dead Nation running at 30fps. Lol

"1080p & 60fps has to be the new standard, not a luxury for PS4 games"

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Xsilver  +   493d ago | Well said
“[1080p/30fps], simply because the original was designed for 30fps. Making it 60fps would have required almost a complete code overhaul.”

We all know this game could of been 60fps clearly they didn't feel like putting that much time into coding it But hey i get it for free so no complaints.
JoGam  +   493d ago
Don't know why people are disagreeing. What you said is true per the developers. I read the same article.

Oh nevermind...I see.
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HammockGames  +   493d ago

What Xsilver said.

And considering:
- They probably don't expect a ton of sales (smaller install base than PS3, obviously)
- It's a freebie on PS+
- 30 fps not an issue with this type of game

I don't see the problem with this. To the contrary, why WOULD they invest a heap more time and money for this iteration?

Built from the ground up would likely be 1080/60 (see Resogun)
ShwankyShpanky  +   493d ago
So... self-admitted lazy devs?

Seriously HM, WTF. At least it's a "freebie."
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MasterCornholio  +   493d ago
That makes sense. With that said the 1080P rez should make it look better than the PS3 version and since its free with plus im not complaining.
darthv72  +   493d ago
not every game really needs to be 60fps. It depends on the type of game. Games that require lots of fast action on screen, yes but other types, not so much.

I have the Ps3 original and it is totally enjoyable even if it isnt 60fps..
InTheLab  +   493d ago
Kinda sounds like it's developers choice. Kinda like that guy said from MS.

With each one of these releases where the res and frames are the headlines, makes me wonder will this be the case for every game this gen or can we move on?
Lukas_Japonicus  +   493d ago
Whatever you do, don't state the reasons/facts for why this game is 30fps and not 60fps, you will be accused of damage controlling and making excuses for Sony. Just a heads up.

Seeing as this game is free on PS plus..... http://31.media.tumblr.com/...
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SmielmaN  +   493d ago
I bought the original for ps3 and it's a fun arcade game. Can be quite difficult. Fun with friends. I'll download it again for my ps4. Housemarque really do a great job making addictive gameplay. It would be awesome if they got funding for a major, arcade-y title remake like resident evil or castlevania.
Army_of_Darkness  +   493d ago
I prefer all games at 1080p @60fps, but with this type of game and view angle 60fps won't really be noticeable. I should know cause I played the hell out of this game! Looooved it! but I played it out so I don't care for this release even though its a freebie... I'm waiting for Dead nation 2! I know they are just releasing this on the ps4 to prepare us for the sequel :-D
mewhy32  +   493d ago
that's right Xsilver. That would have required a complete render code rewrite. Non programmers don't understand that. It would have require different memory management, different timing, different cpu timing, different, different, different. It'll still be great. It is 1080p and not some 720p stuff and I loved this game on PS3.
Retard  +   493d ago
I'm sure duke nuke em on my PC was coded to run 650 FPS
gpturbo81  +   493d ago
So laziness is acceptable as long as its a ps4 game?
ThatOneGuyThere  +   493d ago
they probably tied the logic to the frames..
badz149  +   493d ago
most of you guys forget that this is not the 1st game where dev decided to go for 30fps and call it a day. remember NFS Rivals on PC? it's locked to 30fps and pc gamers were crying foul. I don't know what the dev were thinking but they decided to lock it at 30fps.

a modder found a way to unlock the fps and what happened after that? the the game runs at twice the speed at 60fps. so, some devs do have their own decisions about things. as in the interview, they just don't want to go the extra mile to recode everything again to achieve 60fps. ok, I respect that as this is pretty much a remastered version.
tee_bag242  +   493d ago
The Devs are blowing smoke up your a$$. That's the same thing Devs said about La Noire and multiple other games on PC. Still it takes about 5 minutes and half a brain cell to change it to 60fps as many users have done.
The inconvenient truth is the PS4 can't do it.
FamilyGuy  +   493d ago
Lol, man I just thought about another crazy aspect of this game that's going to be enhanced because of the PS4.

In some spots, especially near end game, there are times when the screen is COMPLETELY filled with hundreds of zombies and you have a grenade launcher and that buzz saw shooting weapon to mow down tons of them at a time as well as the proximity mines going off blowing up dozens of enemies too.
I remember one level near the end where there were three Screamers doing their yell all calling in hordes of zombies and even those muscle-armed Jumper types attacking you too, all at once and filling the screen with enemies.
On these occasions the PS3 would lag just a bit/slow down because of all the stuff going on at once. literally HUNDREDS of enemies on screen getting blown to pieces, sawed in half, littering the floor with bodies that turned to red and gold orbs that floated to your character.
With the power of the PS4 these moments are going to run waaaay smoother. It's actually going to make them harder because the slight slow down gave you a moment to breathe.

I can't wait to upload videos of this!
This game is EPIC, I loved every moment of it.
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BallsEye  +   492d ago
unless it's Xbox one game, then the blame on n4g always goes to "weak console" while devs did their best to even squeeze out that much.
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starchild  +   492d ago
This isn't accurate at all. You don't design games for 30fps or 60fps, and it wouldn't require a "complete code overhal". Any game that runs at 30fps can run at 60fps using the same engine.

Do you guys think that multiplats that run at 60fps and above on PC (and 30fps on consoles) required a "complete code overhaul"?

It's not necessarily the PS4's fault, but don't believe this nonsense from the developer either. They likely just don't have the time or money to optimize the engine well enough on the PS4 to achieve 60fps.
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ddgaming820  +   493d ago | Helpful

@cripshay 1080p 30fps. The original engine wasn't built for 60.
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MasterCornholio  +   493d ago

Back-to-Back  +   493d ago
Good post. Should clear up any misunderstanding. Did the xbots above really think ps4 isnt capable of running this game at 60 fps when Resogun easily does it?
nicksetzer1  +   493d ago
Must be the hardware right? .... to be clear that question is both rhetorical and sarcastic, to point out the irony.
MysticStrummer  +   493d ago
There is no irony. The resolution/fps discussion is only meaningful when comparing multi-plats.
nicksetzer1  +   493d ago
so I'm guessing you didn't see the articles and comment referring to Ryse. .
BabyTownFrolics  +   493d ago
@ mystic strummer

"The resolution/fps discussion is only meaningful when comparing multi-plats."

Unless the game is an xbox one exclusive then its a free for all of trolling comments with 50+ agrees.
UnHoly_One  +   493d ago
I'm glad somebody said it.

Thank you, nick.
scott182  +   493d ago
The game was coded for 30 fps, it would require a complete overhaul to the code... Nice try though.

Multiplats for the current gen are coded for whatever the consoles can handle, and for parity if possible.
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MysticStrummer  +   493d ago
The criticisms I saw about Ryse had little to do with either resolution or frame rate, and yeah that still has nothing to do with "resolutiongate".
badz149  +   493d ago

so, your argument is about Ryse? who showed the 1080p 60fps high poly count character model version first? the damn thing was showed to the public on E3 with gameplay all at its fullest glory and claimed to be running on the devkit! and then the were caught red handed using a high end pc but they still denied it! the end product is a far cry in terms of performance and that is why people make fun of it!

so, has this Dead Nation game shown running at 60fps yet? NEVER and the dev themselves said that their engine is limited to 30fps unlike the Ryse "devkit" demo! there's a clear difference of honesty (Dead Nation) and deception (Ryse) here and I can't see any resemblance!
Prime157  +   492d ago
Sigh, I should have known ryse would show up eventually.
Lior  +   493d ago
A modified 7870 is not a miracle worker
HighResHero  +   493d ago
Yet it runs Shadow Fall multplayer(a launch title) Resogun, etc. at 1080p/60fps.
NarooN  +   493d ago
AMD themselves recommended the HD 7870/R9-270x (same GPU basically) as the best in their line-up suited for 1080p gaming... So what you said is complete bollocks regardless.
gameon1985   493d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(9)
AngelicIceDiamond  +   493d ago
Nobody shouldn't have to defend 1080p 30 frames. it doesn't make it less of a game or any such thing. Its still the same fun game that everyone remembers

Its just funny how something like frames is the topic this gen when last gen that wasn't a concern at all.

We left that talk to the PC community because well, us console gamer largely didn't care.
iceman06  +   493d ago
Not really true for at least for the release of PS3. I can recall several sites and articles about how the PS3 struggled to maintain framerates in comparison to the 360. There was a huge Madden uproar due to one being 30 fps and one being 60 fps. In fact, multiplats were proclaimed superior for 360, in many a review, for simply a framerate difference. I'm not advocating this "tit for tat" mentality. But, as long as there have been "console wars" there's been some discussion about these subtle differences. Does Blast Processing ring a bell!?!? LOL
guyman   493d ago | Trolling | show
HaveAsandwich  +   493d ago
youd have to recode. not gonna happen.
cell989  +   493d ago
I still want to know what game is the one OPM announced as a mystery surprise fro next month
WiiUsauce  +   493d ago
30fps?!?!?!?!!! Lawl ps4 SUCKS XD
RyuCloudStrife  +   493d ago
not EVERYTHING needs to be 60fps UNDERSTAND THAT!
DevilishSix  +   493d ago
This game ran smooth as butter on PS3, regardless of 30 or 60.
showtimefolks  +   493d ago
a free game and people complain SMH
fermcr  +   492d ago
Hummm... I guess now 30fps is OK on games.

The hypocrisy !!!
solar  +   492d ago
supercharged PC.
NeloAnjelo  +   492d ago
The whole game will need to be remade if 60fps. Has nothing to do with hardware constraints.

At least it's 1080 which is a rare thing for the competition, rather than the norm.
starchild  +   492d ago
I'm not going to say it is due to hardware constraints in an absolute sense (it seems like the PS4 should be able to run this at 60fps), but the idea that the engine needs to be remade for 60fps is ridiculous.

Anybody that knows anything about how frames are rendered, buffered and displayed knows that this excuse from the developer is nonsense. Games don't have to be coded for 30fps or coded for 60fps.

They may have to optimize their engine for the PS4's hardware in order to achieve a higher framerate, but it has nothing to do with the game being "coded to run at 30fps". That's just so absurd.
Illionaire  +   493d ago
It should be 60fps. This is kinda disappointing. I'm gonna assume this is due to being rushed for release, cause even the Xbox One should be able to do 1080p/60fps for this type of game easily.
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HaveAsandwich  +   493d ago
has nothing to do with any of that.
Illionaire  +   493d ago
Realised that after posting. It's the engine.
TrueJerseyDevil   493d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(9)
ftwrthtx  +   493d ago
Loved the game on the ps3 and can't wait to play it on the PS4.
lonelyplayer  +   493d ago
Hope it's 4 players coop then
FunAndGun  +   493d ago
its not, still just 2 player Co-op.

Maybe for Dead Nation 2 though.
CharlesSwann  +   493d ago
Have yet to play it. Looking forward to it.
LOL_WUT  +   493d ago
I bought the original so I wouldn't mind playing it again ;)
Corpser  +   493d ago
In this case who needs more than 30 FPS right? Right?
GW212  +   493d ago
Wrong. I am a PS4 guy and I get disappointed with 30fps. I'd rather they drop to 900p and hit 60fps. That goes for any and all games, regardless of genre.
CrowbaitBob  +   493d ago
Well, fortunately they wouldn't have to drop this game to 900p in order to achieve 60fps.

Unfortunately they would have to pretty much rebuild the game from scratch since it's not designed to run at twice it's original speed.

If you really expect every PS3 port to run at 60fps on PS4 you're either deluded or sorely ignorant about how framerate works and how it impacts gameplay.
Tempest317  +   493d ago
If they can only hit 30fps, it would take considerably more than just a drop to 900p to double that to 60, more than most devs are willing to sacrifice...30 fps on a game like this doesnt affect gameplay, and doesnt hurt my eyes, I dont mind it
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bumnut  +   493d ago
If you want to choose your resolution and framerate why buy a console?
dodgefate  +   493d ago
I would buy it at 900p 30fps oh wait it's free /wink
hankmoody   493d ago | Off topic | show
redknight80  +   493d ago
Very excited to see what the other title that Housemarque are working on for the PS4 is. Resogun is one of the funnest things I have played in a long time, despite its simplicity, so I am very excited indeed!
ShinnokDrako  +   493d ago
Too bad, i was hoping for 60fps. But since the engine wasn't built for 60fps (and since it's going to be free....) i guess i'm going to have super fun again smashing zombies.
lonewolfjedi  +   493d ago
1080p should definitely be the standard this gen
bumnut  +   493d ago
It won't be, as games get more demanding the level of detail or resolution will have to drop.

Thats why PC gamers upgrade their graphics cards.
il-JumperMT  +   493d ago
Look at people commenting without reading the article!
corroios  +   493d ago
Its free and not from 2004...
FanboyKilla   493d ago | Trolling | show
worvo86  +   493d ago
Let me allow you all into a little secret. 1080p720p resolution means absolutely nothing. Buy and play the games you want to plat on the console of your preference. I have absolutely no idea what resolusion Mario 3D world and DKCTF are in but they are too good to not give a shit
akaFullMetal  +   493d ago
To bad the engine wasn't set up for 60fps but i can live with it, enjoyed it a lot on my ps3. Now on ps4 its free so can't wait to see the improvements.
Mister_G  +   493d ago
I've already finished this game on PS3, so I hope they've changed it enough so I don't get déjà vu.
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PersonMan  +   493d ago
Who cares? If the developer wants it to be 30fps, then you're just gonna have to get over it.

If this is going to be the 60fps gen, then be prepared to have average graphics at the cost of 60fps frame rate.
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90Supra  +   493d ago
Great game......I'm definitely gonna try for the platinum trophy this time around...

But why the fk didn't they build an engine that could take advantage of better hardware in the future?

....makes no fkn sense
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-EvoAnubis-  +   493d ago
Probably because they're more worried about making new games than completely rebuilding old ones just to hit 60fps, which outside of the hardcore no one really cares about anyway.
FlyingFoxy  +   493d ago
That's extremely ignorant, 60fps is VERY important in gaming. As Linus from Linus tech tips on YouTube said, only average gamers can't notice the diff between 60fps and 120fps, he and people used to it can CLEARLY see the difference, i know i can.

And the same goes from 30fps to 60fps.

People who don't really notice it at first rarely game much, or haven't played a game enough to notice the difference and feel the difference in the control response.
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90Supra  +   493d ago
I don't mean now...

I'm talking about when they first made the engine...
-EvoAnubis-  +   493d ago
@FlyingFoxy: I very specifically said that outside of the hardcore (the average gamer is outside of the hardcore) that no one cares. You just proved my point. Learn to read.
windblowsagain  +   493d ago
This company made the best snowboarding game imo.

Supreme Snowboarding. I wish they would do a new one of those.

jay2  +   493d ago
Seriously why not 60 what a let down. All that work and extra content is in it so it should have been done.
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Dirtnapstor  +   493d ago
It's funny to me how many programmers and developers actually follow theses forums! Just look at all the comments above; wow, I'm surprised a massive influx of games has yet to occur for our newest gen consoles!!!
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annus  +   493d ago
It doesn't take a programmer or developer to know that 1080P/60FPS is better, and totally doable for this game. If Killzone can push it in MP then this game could.

Even the quote says to achieve it they would have had to have done an overhaul of the entire game due to the engine, meaning it was a time/cost problem, not a hardware problem.
CrowbaitBob  +   493d ago
It's definitely not a hardware issue. And it's definitely not a big enough deal to warrant a total overhaul of the code.
Dirtnapstor  +   493d ago
You're right it does not... I just think it's so funny that everyone gets so hung up on 1080p/60. Many many developers optimize their games accordingly, they know their product better than the recipient gamer.
Besides, 1080/60 is only as effective as your HD TV will allow, meaning if it's smaller than a 40 incher, it won't matter.
annus  +   492d ago
That resolution argument is as stupid as the "you can't even tell the difference between 30FPS and 60FPS".

Go get a 1080p computer monitor and change it to 720p. Take note on how you CAN see the differences, if you can't I'd recommend you go see an optometrist because you need glasses.
2pacalypsenow  +   493d ago
"To achieve the standard PC gamers have enjoyed for years " not every pc gamer can run all their games at 1080p/60fps
Adolph Fitler  +   493d ago
Only ones whinging about anything about this game, are people who were dumb enough to own a console that renders them unable to play it. I'm just glad it's 1080p....the rest is pure BS, as I don't remember EVER thinking, whilst playing the original on PS3, that the frame rate was a problem.... As many have stated, for starters the game WASN"T even developed by HM, so we will be getting ANOTHER exclusive from those geniuses for our PS4's that will be built (by HM) from the ground up, & it will be 1080p & 60fps, just like the awesome (best launch game for any of the 3 new consoles) Resogun.

Fact is, HM are anything BUT lazy developers....they are indies for starters, so they can't afford to be lazy, as they need to work tirelessly in every facet, to sell there game, over the next 100 wannabe big things.
As I said, people whinging & whining about this game being 30fps, are quite obviously fanboys, or if they do have a PS4, then they have UNREALISTIC expectations about EVERY game being 1080p & 60fps..... Lets take a look at the XBOne, & how EVERY game is unable to be optimized to this standard...EVEN THERE PREMIERE, OVERHYPED, NEXT BIG THING in Titancall Of Duty 10: Battle of the mechs, is substandard, & that is a game built EXCLUSIVELY for ONLY that console (yes pc as well, but XBOne is the only console getting it), & these guys can't get the game running at the new standard. And Tomb Raider, just like DN is a last gen game, that XBOne couldn't run fully optimized at the new console standard...& the list goes on.
At least PS4's hardware is capable, obviously developers that are giving the game out free on PSN aren't going to fly to the moon & back, when the risk of loss is so huge....Look how many developers are going out of business or having to lay mass staff off, just because of one bad decision, or because they made the mistake of making a brilliant game, but nobody bought it, & the list of issues goes on....Give them a break...HM are one of the gun developers going around today, & there games harken back to a time where pure, unadulterated, blissful, FUN was the driving factor for games & gamers. As I said, Resogun BURIES EVERY other PS4 & XBOne exclusive, & it is a sad little indie title, knocking out heavyweights like Capcom, Guerilla, etc, etc. Just having Outlast, Resogun, Warframe, Warthunder & DC Universe on my PS4 totally obliterates the competition....I'm not even interested in what XBOne has to offer, so my 360 will sit unaccompanied by MS's new hardware this gen. And all these games were GIVEN to me at no extra charge than the online fee....Pretty incredible. With Killzone:SF, NFS, AC, Lego Marvel, BF4, COD:G & Knack in my bought collection, I have plenty of great games to play, & with Infamous:SS joining the fray soon, & Driveclub also, not to mention a handful more d/l titles, my lineup of games will be so diverse & awesome compared to the competition....
air1  +   493d ago
The only dumb person i see around here is you with a long ass rant about how your ps4 is the best thing in the world and all these diverse games you have..... But fail to realise that you are limited to one console, your bullshit library of games are no match for the true gamers like my self that plan on owning all 3 consoles.. You are a complete sony fanatic if you think only the ps4 will have great games to play in the next couple of years.

You fanatics are beyond stupid.. And so one sided its insane...
_FantasmA_  +   493d ago
So I'm guessing your wrote for every sports team in every league? You root for all presidential candidates? Your root for both boxers or fighters?
CrowbaitBob  +   493d ago

You think you have a decent analogy, but you don't. The console war is fought between fanboys. It's not a battle between Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. They're interested in sales, not petty grudges.

Normal people enjoy the platforms that offer them the games they personally enjoy without focusing on whether or not their purchase scores a few imaginary points for the "other team."
Adolph Fitler  +   493d ago
Good guess dummy, I own a Wii-U, 360, PS3, PS4 & a plethora of old Nintendo, Sega & Sony machines.....I am not a Sony fanboy, I am a gaming fanboy, that hates MS exclusively & would love nothing more than to see there demise in he console market, with Sega replacing them....It's just a dream, as I would buy a Sega Dreamcast 2 in a heartbeat, to sit next to my collection of consoles. So, keep on carrying on like you know jacksh!t....you spoilt child.
air1  +   493d ago
My goodness.. All you ppl care about is 1080p 60fps... All i want is great looking fun games but i guess im the one asking for too much..
DC777  +   493d ago
And most of them probably didn't know what 1080p, fps were 6 months ago. Enjoy your games.
thexmanone  +   493d ago
WOW the force is strong here on N4G
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