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Wii U's Memory Bandwidth, GPU More Powerful Than We Thought?

Some new information has surfaced due to some in-depth research conducted by various engineers regarding the Wii U's handling of memory: it may be more powerful and faster than we thought.

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SynGamer795d ago

If it is, the games haven't shown it. Honestly, the fact that the Wii U is a *slightly* better PS3/360 speaks volumes. Nintendo thought they could get away with an upgraded Wii, and it backfired.

R00bot795d ago

Right now most of the ports have been badly done, the CPU on the Wii U is quite underpowered, but last gen consoles like the 360 used the CPU extensively, while the Wii U needs to use the GPU more. The devs simply dumped the code and let the U's CPU try to do it, when that's not what it was intended for.
It's just a little too different for devs. Maybe in the future we'll get better ports.

But I agree, it is making the Wii U look bad. So far only Nintendo has really shown what it can do (too bad those games aren't out yet...).

Eonjay795d ago (Edited 795d ago )

The developers would know, even if we don't

This is the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I would still like to play X though. Game looks amazing.

Edit:

Assassin's Creed looks really good on Wii U vs PS4:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

wonderfulmonkeyman795d ago

I dunno about that; devs like Shin'en and Platinum have done a pretty damned decent job of crafting games that make pretty good use of the Wii U's innards.

What I'm interested in, is that there's still a few chunks of circuitry inside the unit that we haven't been able to identify as far as purpose.[there was a Neogaf post on it and not a single person had any idea what they did.]

I can't help but think that they're there as circuits to make the Wii U more compatible with some sort of upgrade to the firm-ware or something...

zebramocha794d ago

@eonjay is the assassin creed pre-patch or post patch?the biggest difference is see is,smoother frame rate,higher resolution and less aliasing on the ps4.

cleft5794d ago

What you are saying is absolutely correct, the problem is that right now most people just want to act like the WiiU and Nintendo is the worse thing ever. The negative view on Nintendo, is just sad because Nintendo is the only company currently backing a lot of user friendly ideas, like backwards compatibility. Yet, even when Nintendo does great things people just ignore them and focus on the negative stuff.

I am not saying there isn't a lot of problems with Nintendo, but I am not willing to act like the company is the worse thing ever. As for me, I will be buying a WiiU when X comes out or when we get a firm release date for North America and Bayonetta 2 is out. I didn't own a Wii, so there is a lot of cool games I can catch up on while I play Bayonetta 2 and wait for X.

Eonjay794d ago

@zebramocha

Not sure. Maybe before. YouTube is also insufficient if you want to look at things like fluidity.

Take a look at Bayonetta 2 it looks great given what we know about the Wii U's power. I'm not saying it looks anywhere as good as something like 1886 though.

If the Wii U goes down to 199 or 150, I will definitely consider getting one.

ABizzel1794d ago

@SynGamer & R00bot

Both of you are correct. When it's all said and done the Wii U is basically a 1.75x Xbox 360.

It's GPU is 1.5x more powerful, it's CPU is 3x Wii's with higher clocks and cache.

It has 4x the amount of total RAM, 3x the amount of eDRAM, and as the article states likely higher bandwidth (although the 500+ GBps is possible, the problem is as always the transfer rates, which with the Wii U are likely around 32 GB/s which again does little for them outside of on-chip operations).

As R00bot said the Wii U will outperform the PS360 once the games are developed more for the GPU than the CPU, as the PS360 were. The Wii U is a solid console, but as SynGamer said it's a 360+, and basically another attempt at getting by with another Wii, and it backfired.

SilentNegotiator794d ago

Nintendo has brought SEVERAL games to Wii U themselves and they weren't impressive on a technical level either.

New Super Mario Bros. U = 1280x720 (no AA on world map, post-AA in-game)
Nintendo Land = 1280x720 (no AA, post-AA?)
Pikmin 3 = 1280x720
Super Mario 3D World = 1280x720

And don't pretend like the 60fps that some of those have makes them impressive. We had games LAST gen that managed 720p60fps.

frostypants794d ago

@wonderfulmonkeyman: Nintendo has a long history of building in hardware/ports into their console (with future plans in mind) that ultimately never get used.

patterson794d ago

So in order of overall processing power, it's:

PS4 > Wii-U > XONE

pcz794d ago

it doesnt matter if the wiiu can render the universe and its entire contents in real time, if devs dont take advantage of it.

abzdine794d ago

Nintendo games look gorgeous on Wii U with the HD filter.
Wind Waker is really impressive in 1080p.

Wii U needs support, that's all. it has everything to be a big hit: a good controller, a very creative Gamepad which makes it a creative tool for developers

Gemmol794d ago

every post on specs since the Wii U come out is assumptions, but everyone seems to go along with assumptions. I have not seen one fact that shows what the system have, even when the system first came out and they open the system and look at the parts, those same people who open everything even said it was very customized. I am not saying the console is super strong and I am not saying its weak, because I do not know I will not make an assumption like everyone is doing. Each and everyone of yall is wrong, once you learn to admit that then maybe you will all be better off.

since we like making assumption so much here is something from an article

The Wii U’s CPU is more efficient and can do more, with 3 cores for gaming, than the PS4 does with the 4 use for games. There is practically no resource management on the PS4, the Wii U will make good use of the resources available. CPU+eDRAM will result in much better performance than the PS4, something that is being seen already with the performance in Nintendo’s upcoming games.

Now the biggest issue here is the GPU, and the lack of information on it. As stated above, with it being under heavy NDA, for all we know the numbers we know can be minimum specs. Another issue is Sony’s numbers don’t match up with the performance, which judging by their history, shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone they are exaggerating their tech. Something we already saw with Deep Down earlier this year. Here are some real world results.

They don’t match the proposed specs, and we know there isn’t much leeway for the PS4/XBO, they won’t have much change over the years, being practically completely off the shelf parts. The PS4′s lock only thing that can happen are firmware/BIOS updates that increase the clock rate, which can cause several issues. We know the bare minimum about the Wii U Specs, while have numbers beyond what the PS4 is known to do.

here is the link for those
http://playeressence.com/co...

thexmanone794d ago

@Patterson

More like:

Steam Box> PS4 > XBONE > WII U

Ju794d ago

@Gemmol, are you Nintendo's version of MisterX?

Nerdmaster794d ago

@SilentNegotiator
"We had games LAST gen that managed 720p60fps."
Few games managed that. Most of the games were 30fps and even then, they couldn't maintain a steady framerate. FFXIII, Resident Evil 5, Heavy Rain... just to name some.

It's like saying "We had games LAST gen that managed 1080p60fps." We did have some, but PS4 and Xbox One still can't make all their games be 1080p60fps. And I don't see you saying that they aren't new gen consoles because of that.

Sarcasm794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

There might be some truth to this. You can't do straight ports from the 360/PS3 to the Wii U.

The Wii U's CPU is insanely slow, but it does have a better GPU and more RAM.

I think Nintendo's first party games have shown it is still mildly more powerful than we think. If you look at SM3DW it's a perfect example.

With that said, it's almost pointless seeing as 3rd party games will be non-existent on that hardware. So the only people who will take advantage is Nintendo themselves.

GotHDGame794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

Need For Speed says hi, as well as Duex Ex, Splinter Cell, Rayman, Assassins Creed, Ghost, BOPS,Resident Evil Revelations, All Superior ports, if not graphically (Need for Speed has PC textures) than the gamepad makes the gameplay much better, Play Duex Ex, on Wii U and then on PS3, there is no comparison.

cozomel794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

@Gemmol

So you tell people not to assume, cuz its whats wrong with everyone. Then you proceed to spit assumption after assumption. On the irony. The WiiU has yet to prove its even more powerful than a 360. There are plenty of games that are superior to the WiiU version, so the WiiU has a lot of proving to do. But honestly i dont think it has much more than we've seen. All their big games are 720p and 30fps. And Ju is right, you're Nintendo's MisterX

@GotHDgame
Assasins Creed runs better on the 360/ps3, BLOPS is even worst hit 30fps frequently on Wiiu, Ghost runs better on 360/ps3, same with the rest of them. Man you fanboys are beyond delusional. You make the X1 fanboys look sane. The Wiiu sucks, its garbage, with its inferior to last gen ports. And Wiiu's best looking game, SM3DW is 720p. And could easily be done on the 360/ps3. Its got simple graphics

N4g_null794d ago

Under nda directly this time lol. Yet i will say this one core is being used for most of the games release last year. It is the core with the biggest cache. We are not seeing memory fill problems also... you know the loading textures while you are playing crap. Then we are rendering 720 with an added 400 what ever on the game pad... so saying it can do 1080 on most games would just be wrong. I'm sure more people will experiment with turning The game pad off and on during some types of game play. Unless the guys over at nerd in the UK get nintendo ' s cloud stuff going. It's too bad factor 5 and the old id are not around now. Hopefully someone could get a kickstarter going for a wiiu engine that would rival crytek and work like or with unity3d.

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Irishguy95795d ago

The Wii is more powerful than the PS3/360 in the same way the Ps4 is more powerful than the X1. It's simple numbers and the Wii U is a good bit more powerful than them

ABizzel1794d ago

@Irish

You're basically right especially comparing the Wii U to the 360 since they're nearly identical in design. The only real difference is the fact that the PS4 and XBO are in the teraflop range, and the 360 and Wii U are in the gigaflop range, and so that difference while similar in percentage, isn't nearly the gulf you'd expect.

The Wii U's GPU is around 50% more powerful than the 360's, like the PS4's is to the XBO.

The Wii U's CPU is weaker and slower than the 360's, but it's much smarter and efficient thanks to OoE's and cache.

The Wii U has 4x the RAM of the 360 with 3x the eDRAM amount.

So yeah the Wii U is to the 360 as the PS4 is to the XBO give or take.

Ju794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

^^ One thing, though, overall bandwidth in the WiiU isn't faster than last gen consoles. This is it's biggest problem. We have X1 eDRAM discussions and this surely is a bottleneck for the WiiU as well, combined with the much slower RAM which matches the PS360 ~20GB/s, unfortunately. CPU, while OO is still clocked at half the speed which still makes it slower overall. But yes, it has better/more GPGPU features and more sophisticated shaders.

Vegamyster794d ago

3D World's visuals look great, textures are crisp, lighting, bloom, depth of field are done very well, AA is good and it runs locked at 60 fps.

http://mariopartylegacy.com...

http://i.minus.com/ibmNOmAV...

Keep in mind they're using PowerPc so it's going to take some time for devs to unlock it's power similar to the 360, also most multiplats ports on the system only use 1 cpu core instead of all 3.

1nsomniac794d ago

Just wondering but why on earth would multiplats be running only on 1 core even the 360 ran on 3 cores.

It wouldn't make any logical sense to take multiplatform games that run on PS3/360 (both multicore/multithread processors) & rewrite it to run on a single core...

Vegamyster794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

@1nsomniac

Sorry about that i got it backwards and couldn't go back to edit my comment in time(didn't want waste a bubble)

What i got mixed up was something one of the Project CARS devs said.

N4g_null794d ago

Nope most games are using one core. It has something to do with the compiler. There are only tools to play with one core right now. It is similar to killzone finally getting access to the spus on the cell. There are a lot of goodies tucked away right now yet besting last gen is easy with what we got already. Once everything comes online expect things to get a little more heated. We still won't be talking specs but we won't have to then.

It's just easier to discount the wiiu right now. Everyone that doesn't have a kit ignores the exam and harps on the main ram bus speed. Slow and steady wins the race. The ps4 may have teraflops yet didn't the ps3 show you that spec is useless in most games? If it can not be used in real time then I'm not sure how many gamers would be doing fluid Sims on a under 3 terabyte system? It's sad but the ps4 is almost going to hit the mark but miss it. Almost in hardware doesn't count it gets put back in range with the wiiu and xbone. All the hype is cool but I know pc gamers how buy amd also and act like it is superior also, just because it is cheap.

If all these sales are based on tech hype for ps4 then things are going to get grim when the next few pc refreshes hit along with sdk updates from ms and Nintendo.

webeblazing794d ago

soooo by them taking a risk with a new way to play with their controller equals just an upgrade wii. people are so funny. isnt ps4 and xbone just an updated system from last gen. they didnt even try anything new. only thing new ms did was bundle kinect with the console. only thing new sony did(for them) is charge every for mp.

seem like this is gonna be the gen of gfx whores. the bunch that downplayed gfx, res, and frame rate soo much last gen.

SynGamer794d ago

The PS4 has a modern CPU (finally). The controller has a touchpad (that clicks) AND a lightbar for both motion controls AND immersion.

The PS4 also (finally) does remote play with the Vita which is pretty awesome to use in-person. Sony has also revolutionized (console) gaming with PS+ and free/discounted games.

webeblazing794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

you stated everything thats a upgrade. remote play and ps+ is on the ps3. the only different is that its better on ps4(upgrade). ps+ is great but paying to play online??? yeah thats not great.

sooo im not seeing what these next gen console are besides an upgrade. its not a bad thing but dont downplay nintendo because theyre the only one that did something different out of the three. and to say the wiiU is an upgrade and saying ps4 and xbone isnt sounds dumb.

and dont know where people jumped to the conclusion that the wiiU is suppose to perform like ps4 and xbone. i doubt nintendo even care about gfx like people on here do. thats maybe why yall have to bring it up. and that maybe why people downplay how wii dont count when they fight over sales.

clouds5794d ago

@syngamer: let's have a look at that :)
-modern CPU = low cost amd pc component
-touch pad? I know a system with a touchscreen that does everything the ps4 can do with its pad 10 times better.
-remote play is nice to have, but having actual additional information on a interactive 2nd screen is another level. And most devs won't bother programing features for the 10% of users that have both vita and ps4.
-and sony has found a nice way to advertise their subscription based online services. PC and wii u have sales and discounts as well but you don't have to pay for a subscription.
kinda grinds my gears that people think they get "free" games while they pay money every month. It's just a clever trick...

Gemmol794d ago

@clouds5 the next thing you forgot to write, once their subscription is gone so are their games

cozomel794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

Wow, the level of fanboyism and ignorance going on in here is astronomical. You people actually believe your own bs. The wiiu is nowhere near the level of PS4 or X1, its barely even on the level of the PS3/360. Just because it has like 1 or 2 multiplats (out of over 20) that might be better, doesnt mean the system is better. As a matter of fact, quite the contrary, its been outperformed like over 20 times already by the multiplats on the PS3/360. There is nothing special about the gamepad, it doesnt even have the L3/R3 click (thats so many gens behind, its not even funny). Doesnt even has a capacitive screen but rather the older and inferior resistive screen and has its buttons underneath its right stick which is comfortable like all hell. The system is way to expensive at $300, when you can get a PS3/360 that both have way more and way better games and way better looking games at that for cheaper. Name me one game on Wiiu that looks better than Gears, Halo4, GOW, UC or KZ? You people are the most delusional pack of fanboys of them all. But whatever, keep on dreaming and when it never happens, then maybe you'll wake up. Have fun being behind the times and finally enjoy subpar last gen graphics. And p.s. graphics do matter, and Nintendo games have simple, kiddie like gameplay, wow! thats so impressive. Now have fun disagreeing away, it wont change the facts. And PS+ gives you way more than $50 worth of content. What does Nintendo give you? oh yeah thats right, nothing! Except last gen tech at expensive prices.

Nobody cares about the wiiu except you fanboys and its being out sold by both the PS4 and X1 (by over 4x the amount by the PS4), the system is almost obsolete

N4g_null794d ago

In comes the person with no Development kit and all here say from online. The ps4 is not that high tech more ram is great but it's issues put it in the same category as the wiiu and xbone. It's great everyone brought one, Thank you for your early adopters funding yet you will have to get an pc, xbone or wiiu to enjoy this gen because the ps4 is just a speed bump higher at best.

The problem is everyone wants to believe that the ps4 can do things that the other two simply can't. The power gap is not that wide. Tools take time to make. Sony is using an amd chip that is barely custom. Wiiu is using a 3 core powerpc like wii cpus glued together with eram. Only one core is really being used and it is being called wesk. To say it is barely above last gen means it maybe almost 3 times better at a lower clock. Sony went with a spec that won't really scale, nintendo went with effective efficiency.

One thing I know it's useless to argue with gamers drunk off hype juice. Yet it's good to get the truth out there. It's a lot of work yet it is worth every minute so far.

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assdan794d ago

I agree. It's clearly not that much stronger than last gen, or we would have seen it by now.

frostypants794d ago

That's just the thing. It seems like some of the Nintendo zealots are imagining that Nintendo is just slyly letting themselves get beat down, quietly biding their time until BAM! They unleash the WiiU's secret ninja power and triumphantly show who's boss. Yeah, it ain't happening...

clouds5794d ago

People seem to think the same thing about the xb1 :) it's not really that simple of course but the xb1 is not that much stronger than the wii u. On paper maybe but in the end both systems produce very good looking 720p games and sometime 1080p.

truechainz794d ago

When did a systems true potential ever show up in the first year? The Last of Us is proof of what can happen when devs know a system inside and out. Not saying that the Wii U is gonna be a killer in gfx, but your comment makes it sound like you have only been playing video games for a year or something.

assdan794d ago

@truechainz. It really doesn't look that much better that last gen. The difference seems to be about double next gen. Which for a generational jump is pathetic.

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stragomccloud794d ago

You are so horribly misinformed that I really don't feel like explaining everything that is wrong with what you have said. That said.... you should read this link:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz...

ZainreFang794d ago

Sony thought they could get away with an upgraded PS3, and it worked. Whadaya know?

tigertron794d ago

The difference being that the PS4 is an entire generation ahead of the Wii U.

Releasing 2006 hardware in 2012 was a poor decision.

swice794d ago

Tigertron

Ps4 and Wii U are in the same generation

swice794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

Double post

mrbojingles794d ago

I don't understand the logic of your wording. If the Wii U is slightly better than the PS3/360 it can't be an upgraded Wii. I wouldn't call the leap from 88MB RAM to 2GB RAM and a multi-core processor, better GPU and triple the eDRAM an "upgrade" at all over Wii, that's like a giant leap (from the Wii)

bigfish794d ago

yeh and the graphics are slightly better than GameCube,, I don't get the point of this article

higgins78794d ago

Somebody has a sore case of nostalgia. Yes, the Gamecube was a trailblazer in terms of graphics, many titles still holding up well today - I was a MASSIVE fan, but put (for example) something like Sunshine and SM3DW side by side...ouch! Tropical Freeze next to Jungle Beat, W101 next to Viewtiful Joe, etc, etc. Wii U is running these games not only in HD but (most of the time, unlike PS4 and Xbox One) a LOCKED 60fps.

higgins78794d ago

Erm, just as the PS4 and Xbox One aren't simply upgraded versions of their predecessors...that's the entire definition of "next gen"! Also, as far as the games not showing the Wii U's grunt is strictly inaccurate, games such as SM3DW (locked 60fps with those graphics), W101 (that many things going on at any one time), Tropical Freeze (lush environments, again all at 60fps) and Nintendo Land (no lag at all between main T.V and Gamepad).

People just cant seem to see past the fact Nintendo don't want to use semi-realistic graphics in their games, mostly because the best games ever housed on Nintendo consoles have been stylised...that is the way I prefer my videogames for the most part, that is why I stick with Nintendo. "Slightly better PS3/360" means nothing, its nonsensical.

mate9791791d ago

Slightly more powerful ??

563GB bandwidth ram.
2GB of system ram.
35MB of edram.
3MB of edram cache.
Unknown sram.
Tri core power pc cpu.
Gpgpu.

Every game so far only needed 1 core on wiiu speaks volumes for the results the wiiu can deliver if you ask me,project cars is only using 1 core who knows they may use another but resogun on ps4 looks no better than Nano assault neo on eshop and resogun uses 50% of ps4's power ?? Ghosts looks worse than Blackops wiiu by far BO2 wiiu uses 2k textures,ghosts uses 1k textures n all 3 consoles.......

360/ps3 are ancient in comparison to WiiU/PS3/Xbox1

PS4....178GB Bandwidth ram
Xbox1 158GB Bandwidth ram
WiiU...563.2GB Bandwidth ram

Remember Sony boasting about Bandwidth ram makes your graphics very powerful ????

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XiSasukeUchiha795d ago

Interesting, thought out analysis of the system true potential!

mii-gamer795d ago

read the whole article and did not understand any of the technical mumble jumble. Can someone shed some light in regards to this piece?

DanManDantheMan795d ago

Pretty much, the Wii U seems to be pretty close to the Xbox One.

We'll never really know how powerful it really is though as the hardware is so secret.

ricochetmg795d ago

I LOL because i don't know if you are serious.

Nero1314794d ago

lol I guess the 360 is on the same level as the ps4 too

stragomccloud794d ago

He's quite serious. The reason we haven't seen better looking games is because of lazy developers that are just dumping code from other systems strait onto the Wii U. The thing just happens to be so powerful that it still works.

fluffydelusions794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

Basically PC>PS4>XB1>Wii U>PS3>360

badz149794d ago

correction

(HIGH-END)PC>PS4>XB1> ;Wii U>PS3>360

Chrischi1988794d ago

I dont know, where you all get that High End PC from, because it is not true. Build a PC for around $650, a graphics card in it for around $300 and it will be much better than a PS4. You PS4 fans sound so hilarious, if you say things like that...

brich233794d ago

No, its NES, SNES, PC, PS4, Atari, Dreamcast,Xbox One, Xbox 360, ps3, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, first Xbox, Sega Genesis.

badz149793d ago

@Chrischi1988

Pc is a general term but what I do know is, $300 is NOT low end and admittedly not high end either. But don't act like ANY pc can outperform the PS4.

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frostypants794d ago (Edited 794d ago )

Basically, someone saw some transistors they couldn't identify and are fantasizing that it might be something awesome. Meh. Occam's Razor says they're nothing important. If they were we'd have seen it by now.

Chrischi1988794d ago

Project Cars will show it. That is what Slightly Mad studios said themselves. Nobody says, that it is more powerful than a PS4 or Xbox One, but you all sound really hilarious to compare it just to a 360^^

It is complete nonsense. The CPU uses the same architecture like the Wii did. The PS4 uses the same CPU architecture, like a Windows 3.1 PC did back in the 80s. So, is the PS4 CPU so weak? No it is not. Same architecture is not a bad thing, like you all try to make it seem. And comparing the clockspeed on totally different architectures and core numbers and different cache is also not valid to do. PC CPUs are around 3,5ghz for how long now? Pretty much a decade. Would be really dumb to act like, the CPUs have not improved for the last decade. Clockspeed says nothing anymore.

Nintendo never used a lot of Ram on their consoles, look what they did with the Wii with its small amount, now imagine, what Nintendo could do, with 2gb.

And what people also forget, Wii U has a gpgpu, the gpu might not be the most powerful, but it uses the newest technology, to get most of it out.

Wii U might have weak parts, but it uses the most modern methods to utilize that power, given the fact that it is much more powerful than the 360 and PS3 and uses latest technology on weak parts, makes it much more powerful than last gen.

yewles1795d ago

I'm sensing a MisterX vibe in here...

stuna1794d ago

No! What you're sensing is a MisterN vibe in here.