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Submitted by chili_dog 57d ago | opinion piece

2K Games Says Bioshock Will Continue Without Ken Levine, but Should It?

8CN: Ken Levine, director of both Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite, and head of Irrational Games, recently announced that he will be closing down Irrational Games and starting a new, smaller team with about 15 employees. Unfortunately, this means that over 100 Irrational employees are now out of a job. According to 2K Games, though, the Bioshock franchise will at least live on. But is this good news? (BioShock: Infinite, Culture, Irrational Games, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

christrules0041  +   58d ago
Well Bioshock 2 wasn't made by Irrational games. Just please don't screw it up..... we have had 2 games underwater and 1 in the sky. What other places could they explore?
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Fishermenofwar  +   57d ago
Uranus??

Sorry...I accept my impending punishment.....
DeathOfTheFanBoy  +   57d ago
V O L C A N O E S !
jonboi24  +   57d ago
Underground, Under a table, In a TV, In space, In a dream, possibly anywhere as long as there's a man and a lighthouse.
-Foxtrot  +   57d ago
"What other places could they explore?"

Considering Elizabeth's line

"There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city"

It could be anything

A Space station
A Moon/Mars base
An Island
An Underground base in the middle of nowhere
A base in the side of some mountains (Grand Canyon)
A new dimension, created JUST to house a city.
Top of the biggest mountain
In the North/South pole

You get the idea
pyramidshead  +   57d ago
Loving the ideas. Definitely needs to be a concept where in general the surroundings are the more underlining hostility.

I think Space might be the last real good idea(even though it's kinda ripping off systemshock).
Having stuff 'just underground' is too similar to being underwater. Perhaps near the earths core where magnetism is a disturbing threat or something.

Hopefully 2K will do a good job. I have a feeling I'll end up buying it no matter what...well OK depending on that it's not solely a multiplayer based game. That would hit me right in my broken feels :(.
pyramidshead  +   57d ago
There needs to be an atmosphere or a concept where certain death is imminent and not from the people you fight but from the surroundings

Rapture: Underwater...if that glass breaks, you're done.
Columbia: In the sky...if you fall off, you're done.

I think... at the earth's core would be nice. similar to people who are saying Volcanoes.
Space could also be a safe bet, that's what made the first Dead Space tense for me. If you end up falling out into space? You're done, I mean you have a suit on but that runs out of air eventually.

Part of me REALLY wants to see what BioShock game can do on next gen hardware, but then another part of me wants Infinite to be the last.

Technically Levine set up the formula to how BioShock games work, there's always a city, a man and a lighthouse.
All 2K needs to do is try and re-create all the variables into something new and different and set it in a colourful & mysterious city with a dark undertone.

Elizabeth = little sisters
Song Bird = Big daddys
Eve = salt

so on and so on...
I always liked the 50s era style of it all too with the crackling audio logs and the music.(Even downloaded the scores and OSTs of the first two bioshock games). Devils in the detail I guess.

Ah screw it....I want a next gen BioShock games, I like their quirky take on the typical generic FPS.
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Hicken  +   57d ago
CANADA!
vickers500  +   57d ago
Well Bioshock Infinite apparently went through several different revisions, just look at all the gameplay and locations a year before the game came out, almost none of it was in the final game. At one point they had a renissance era columbia, but changed it because that's what AC2 did at the time, and because Ken Levines obsession with perfection drove him to try and revamp everything.

I'd like to see them take some of the content they scrapped (which even said was like 3 or 4 games worth, I think more, idk I'd have to find the article) and explore a different, alternate version of columbia. I mean with the ending they went with, they definitely could. Maybe make a game where we can actually songbird this time.
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kingdip90  +   58d ago
Personally I loved all the bioshock games even bioshock 2 and in the hands of the right team I think the franchise can flourish. Let's hope 2k get it right.
shadow18spirit  +   57d ago
its better with ken levine , the man is a genius.
curtis92  +   57d ago
Personally I feel like they covered what Bioshock was and closed it nicely. I'm sure they can do what they did with bioshock 2 and just take the art style and go off of it and create some other storyline... but can a Ken Levine-less group create a rapture or columbia? Seems hard to imagine. Ken Levine was the Steve Jobs of IG.
Baka-akaB  +   57d ago
After B2 , wich was good but missing a soul and something extra , i'm wary of a bioshock future without his vision
-Foxtrot  +   57d ago
Same

I'm scared they'll try and force multiplayer in or co-op. They tried one of those features in Bioshock 2 and it failed.
jdaboss  +   57d ago
That game may have missed something but Bioshock 2 definitely didnt fail. did you even play the game?
Rubberlegs  +   57d ago
The multiplayer in Bishock 2 was actually good. I usually hate when shooters try and force in coop modes or multiplayer that don't need it but Bioshock 2 multiplayer has been better then most other recent shooters that try and force it in like Tomb Raider and Specs Ops.
-Foxtrot  +   57d ago
It was good.....LOL

COME ON...
blue_flowers  +   57d ago
no, just like when Bungie stopped making Halo, i stopped buying Halo games. now that KL and Irrational stopped making Bioshock games, ill stop buying Bioshock games. i made the mistake of buying Bioshock 2, it was a mediocre attempt to capitalize on the Bioshock license. Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite aren't about the idea of more Bioshock, its about these great stories KL has written that happen to take place in this universe. i don't care to play games that 2K forces to be something they're not.
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ravinash  +   57d ago
I played Bioshock 2 on PSN+, it was alright and did have a few themes that tied into the whole story.
But the main draw was the story that Ken had created and in that respect, Bioshock 2 could never have happened and it wouldn't have effected the other games.
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ThichQuangDuck  +   57d ago
In short No since this final DLC brings closure to story told in 1 and infinite I don't really care. I did not care to play 2 since it wasn't made by irrational and rapture was done in my view unless there was a actual reason to go back. Sequelization and a company that can't think of a new idea so attaches itself to another is nothing new Assassins Creed, Halo 343 etc. Sometimes a series should just come to a cloes by the creators hands rather than so many different showrunners, directors, designers reinterpretation. It is what it is,but Bioshock ends for me with this DLC and I am excited to see the completion of the story
cyphertech  +   57d ago
I loved bioshock 2.
Azfargh  +   57d ago
Ditto.
pyramidshead  +   57d ago
I can see why people hate it. But from playing BS1 then straight after putting in the second you can really feel and see what had been improved.
Dual wielding and improved hacking made it so much more fun.

The story wasn't the greatest but as a BioShock game it was brilliant.

The insect swarm thing was a bit OP though.
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jjb1981  +   57d ago
If it does there will be a multiplayer mode with some kind of kill streak and perk system. It'll lose its single player focus a and charm
Chapter11  +   57d ago
Bioshock 2 was decent, but no where near as good as 1 or Infinite. They should move one, but they're more concerned about the money.
xx4xx  +   57d ago
Ken Levine creates interesting worlds, has great art direction, and has a firm grasp on creating a unique narrative.

While my fave is the original Bioshock, I think that Bioshock 2 deserves more love than it gets. The MP was fun (jumping into a Big Daddy suit was cool). If B2 has a fault was that it should have been a large expansion pack or episodic DLC as opposed to a full-priced retail game.

However, I was disappointed with Infinite. The gameplay was repetitive (especially when dealing with the turrets...wait for turret, deal with 3-4 henchmen, destroy turret).

I'd love to see more Bioshock if they take it to an interesting place and can innovative the gameplay. A series that sells like Bioshock still could have life left in it.
Sketchy_Galore  +   57d ago
It shouldn't continue but it will. We should be getting new and interesting experiences but we won't. It's now all about improving the graphics of an already established formula, smoothing off any rough 'non commercially viable' edges and kicking it out the door. Sure we'll still get a bunch of imaginative 'art experiences' from small indie teams but as far as mainstream games driven by passion and heart it's over, Johnny.
Azfargh  +   57d ago
I admit the first impression of Bioshock 2 was bad for me, but after played it, I liked more than the first game. I really cared about the characters at the first game... Lamb wasn´t brilliant as Ryan, but all the pieces worked really well for me.

And the hacking puzzles, much more fit to the game pace than the first one.
ninjagoat  +   57d ago
Like Halo without Bungie tbh.
Saryk  +   57d ago
No one man makes a team!
lemoncake  +   57d ago
It is a great IP for any developer to take on, i just hope they continue to build upon the art style and spend a decent amount of money and time on it.

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