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Submitted by Abriael 157d ago | news

Metal Gear Solid V Confirmed 720P on Xbox One, 1080p on PS4, Screenshot Comparison Released

Hideo Kojima Announced it a few days ago, and finally the much awaited Metal Gear Solid V comparison showcasing the differences between the PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of the game has finally been released. (Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

Update Added animated GIFs for a better comparison and to help spot the difference more easily.

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Majin-vegeta  +   157d ago | Well said
Gotta love that PS4 power=)

What does scaling internally mean??
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BigFnHooters  +   157d ago | Well said
"I doubt the PS4 will have any problemd running it at 1080@60"

Graphically the engine doesn't look to be that impressive compared to how amazing the previous Metal Gears were when they were released on the PS1,PS2, and PS3. None of the previous titles were forced to cater to much weaker hardware like the 360.

Still, the power advantage of the PS4 over the Xbox One is huge:

1920x1080 is 2,073,600 pixels
1280x720 is 921,600 pixels

So the PS4 is running the game at 2.25 the resolution of the Xbox One.
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Rig_Master  +   157d ago | Well said
Yeah, quite a letdown graphically. It looks like they pretty much just added some extra graphical effects to the last gen console versions for the PS4.

Too bad. Would have been nice to see what the game would have looked like if it wasn't targeting the lowest common denominator and could have used a real PS4 graphics engine.

Of course the big WTF is the Xbox One only being able to run at 720p. It is looking more and more like the Xbox One is closer in power to the PS3 than the PS4.
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morganfell  +   157d ago
The judging of the graphical quality will come in the live play and video rather than still shots.

This is the way it is going to be the entire geberation. The PS4 is game focused.

@BigFnHooters

Look at the disagrees. Some people obviously hate math.
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LeeMajors  +   157d ago
>Yeah, quite a letdown graphically. It looks like they pretty much just added some extra graphical effects to the last gen console versions for the PS4.

The entire game is going to be gimped by the fact that it is forced to run on the horrible Xbox 360 DVD format. All the world layout is going to be forced to run the same even on the crap 360 hardware. Which pretty much means that any PS4 additions are going to fairly minor and mostly window dressing.
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xHeavYx  +   157d ago | Well said
Glad to see yet another game at 1080p on the PS4
thereapersson  +   157d ago
@ morganfell

Since when have logic, reason or facts applied on N4G?

@ heavy

Expect this to be the norm for most of the generation. The PS4 has the hardware to pull off 1080p with relative ease, and it will only get more efficient as developers learn more about the hardware. You'll probably start seeing more implementation of anti-aliasing or other enhancements.
morganfell  +   157d ago
@thereapersson,

Rarely. If it did then more persons that claim to be gamer pure would be supporting the company that put gamers first.

I certainly agree with your predicition. Also these early developers are setting the precedence of not caring about parity and that is also paving the standard for this generation.
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Sarcasm  +   157d ago
^Heavy.

There's only one non-1080p game on the PS4 and that's Battlefield 4.
vishmarx  +   157d ago
PS4 vs ps3 night and day.
xb1 over xb360.not much really
aaron5829  +   157d ago
I honestly feel really bad for the xb1. The difference between 360 and 1 isnt that much (besides the fps) ... Must be because the resolution on both platform is the same.

The same can't be said when comparing the ps3 to the ps4. I clearly see the difference there.
morganfell  +   157d ago | Well said
@aaron,

This was a decision made by MS:

http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/...

Yet when the X1 version fails to rival the PS4 version, MS supporters - the very ones that MS abandoned in order to chase the Wii casual crowd - attack Sony supporters.
abzdine  +   157d ago
but... the cloud??

PS4 leads the way once more, and this game isn't even truly next gen. i cant imagine how it will be when devs will focus their ressources on PS4.

Please be excited
showtimefolks  +   157d ago
Rig_Master

you know if Kojima could he would. But its a business but truly its a shameful. I would love to see what Kojima can do on ps4 when he doesn't have to worry about xbox one

Majin-vegeta

funny thing is there are still those who deny the power of ps4 lol, where are the fanboys who said cloud would make xbox one more powerful.
pyramidshead  +   157d ago
Haha wow.

Didn't even think there would be disparity with this game but DAMN! XB1 owners getting that consistent short straw.

Next up: The Witcher, Watch_Dogs, and Thief all running better on PlayStation 4.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   157d ago | Well said
As Liquid Ocelot famously said: "This...Is the victory we've won for ourselves."

The quote above might seem unrelated, but I think it suits perfectly. In my opinion, PlayStation gamers have always asked (demanded) that Sony put their best foot forward at all times. Hell, even the industry as a whole(unfairly)holds Sony to standards than the rest. (remember how 24pixels used to be a big deal when comparing multiplats?, and how PS3 exclusives where nitpicked?)

That is partly why we PlayStation gamers have online for Free on the PS3 and PS Vita, and why PS+ is so good, and why the PS4 is so well designed. So this "victory" is indeed one we've won ourselves.

But the Xbox camp has always been very reluctant to criticize Microsoft.(Try and criticize Ryse, or Forza, or Titanfall and see how quick you'll be labeled and insulted) They simply just accept and defend whatever decision Microsoft makes, whether it be right or wrong.

Just look at how the Xbox camp handled the pre-Xbox One-reveal rumors of always online, 24h check-ins, crazy DRM where you can't lend your friend your games, etc, every app behind a pay wall while they're free everywhere else,etc. The list of things that they accept goes on and on. And in the end, this is the result you get. You get a company who believes that you, as the core consumer, is secondary. So they thought they could LEND you and machine where you have to sign in every 24 hours, other forget about gaming. And they also decided that you don't really need much power under the hood nowadays http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/... .

Xbox fan to this day swears by Kinect, even when it is obvious to everyone else that nothing has been more detrimental to the XBox than kinect (project Natal) has. Even the RROD has helped the Xbox more than kinect has. Kinect represents a complete shift in focus for the Xbox division, and you guys got on forums and defended it with your lives.

You let a company get away with one thing, it only set the precedence for them push further and see what else they can get away with.

It is human nature really. Hell, there are very few companies who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to sell an inferior product at a superior price to their direct competitor, if they knew they could get away with it.

To the guys who supported Microsoft through the RRODs, Paying for Live while Bashing PS+, defending MS's policies to gimp 3rd party titles for parity, etc. To those guys, this "ONE" is on YOU! Enjoy it....
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Cloudyday71  +   157d ago
@BigFnHooters "So the PS4 is running the game at 2.25 the resolution of the Xbox One."

I'm not sure why some people are crowing just to justify their console purchase, most people won't be able to tell the difference. Also Xbox One balance means the experience will be the same on both platforms.
DEEBO  +   157d ago
The reason why GZ looks like last generation because it is that's why you have ports for the 360/ps3.

The phantom pain on the other hand is going to be x1/ps4 only so you will see major improvement.this guy is known to make hardware sing from ps1 to the ps3 metal gear games are always beautiful.

The real problem here is the x1 is having a hard time running 7 generation games at 1080p.
i like the xbox one but the only way i would buy a multiplatform game on it is if it's like titanfall but if i have a choice out of x1/ps4 it's ps4 because it's the better hardware for games.
johndoe11211  +   157d ago
@cloudyday

Dat balance. What the hell does your statement even mean? Do you even understand what is happening here? Do you understand what it means that every multiplat is running significantly better on the ps4? Jesus, I guess ignorance really is bliss.
mewhy32  +   157d ago
This is, and will be, a continuing pattern this gen. The power disparity between PS4 and xbone (got to be sure to use the right word for xbone, got 5 day restriction last time I used the wrong word LOL) is just going to make the gap grow wider and more pronounced.
Visiblemarc  +   157d ago | Well said
@Cloudyday 71 You're joking right? Please say that you don't use made up Xbox marketing terms in real life discussions...

As for people who are downplaying the ENORMOUS pixel count difference as described by BigFnHooters this has to stop.

I'm not a console fanboy BUT I am a logic fanboy. If one machine is pushing over 1.25 million more pixels you have to know the difference comes down to much more than 'just' resolution. The resolution difference is already enormous, anyone who says they can't see it is lying or needs glasses.

The difference in raw pixel pushing however can mean a major difference in what will run, period. Imagine going forward with games get more demanding (they will). 50% more power will mean a super complex game that can only run at 720/30 fps on Ps4 won't run at all on xb1. That DOES matter.

Is there anything wrong with owning/loving xb1? NO! But PLEASE stop bending logic itself to make it seem like a really clever purchase. I love my 3DS but I don't pretend it can touch the Vita in power. I just love it for what it is (and also own a Vita).
mantisimo  +   157d ago
So I reckon Microsoft will start paying Devs to gimp ps4 versions next, sounds extreme and not a possibility at all?

Yet Watch this space if they can't have their exclusivity or multiplats on equal terms, how will they make up for the very limiting discrepancy in power.

This is a huge corporation out to make money and be the best in the market. Not happening though is it?

This gens multiplat fight could get dirty.

Thank goodness for ps4 and it's exclusives.
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Hercules189  +   157d ago
Why is everyone saying theres not much difference between the X1 version and 360 version. The difference is just as clear between the PS4 and PS3 versions.
assdan  +   157d ago
Who still thinks the ps4 isn't twice as strong?
morganfell  +   157d ago
@Cloudyday71

What about those X1 fans living in denial and quoting the worst of MS marketing to justify their purchases?
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Wizard_King  +   157d ago
It's official people.

DON'T BUY AN XBOX1, if you already have sell it before the thing goes Dreamcast on you.

Why buy an under powered piece of crap that doesn't even work properly?
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Gaming101  +   157d ago
LOL @ all the articles coming out lately titled "The X-bone may actually win 2014" and "X-bone may win this entire generation"

They're so butthurt over this they're going to need some ass cream and vaseline.
mcstorm  +   157d ago
@Wizard_King its people like you who give gaming a bad name. Going off your comment you never owned a PlayStation console until the ps3 because the ps2 and psx were the lest powerful of there gen. Also if its all about power why even bother with a games console go and buy a pc as a high end one will walk all over the ps4.

As for the article it looks like the 3rd party games are going to be like this for a bit maybe all gen. Its something we will have to live with. I don't have an issue with it as I always get the games I want on the console I want it on and its not on who has the higher rez.

Looking forward to this game wanted a mgs game since I got 2 and 3 on my Psv.
AndrewLB  +   156d ago
M$ got seriously xbwn3d in this comparison. To be honest, I would have expected both consoles to do 1080p since these graphics are not very impressive.
Unspoken  +   156d ago
They probably didn't take the time to optimize it for the xbox if they choose 720p instead of some other odd number. I guess if the game sucks it really doesnt matter what console it is on. But it is 1080p on the PS4 and that is all that matters in life.

Sad... PS4 just made it to 1080p and can't even hit 60 fps after all this time when 4k is coming out. That AMD 265 is holding developers from producing high end graphical games.
pwnsause_returns  +   157d ago | Well said
As ocelot has stated " everyone always wants to use the latest and greatest technology"
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vishmarx  +   157d ago
LMAO
hakis86  +   157d ago
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Unspoken  +   156d ago
If that were the case everyone would game on PC.
pwnsause_returns  +   156d ago
luckily I have both XD
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KendrickLamar  +   157d ago
Couldn't agree with you more man.

And I believe internal scaling is how the game is upscaled to a higher one. This means the console's built-in hardware upscaler is upscaling the it rather than a software.
Abriael  +   157d ago
It wasn't explained, but it probably means that the native resolution isn't 720p. It's actually upscaled to 720p. Just a guess, though. I actually sent a mail back to ask.
Nocando  +   156d ago
So now the X1 can't really do 720p either?
otherZinc  +   157d ago
This must be a port of a last gen game.
alb1899  +   157d ago
It have to be side by side to see the difference........I don't play with two tvs.
I have an XONE and I dont plan to buy an ps4 until I see uncharted and god of war, I don't care that looks a little bit better in one or other.
zeuanimals  +   157d ago
That's cool, I own both consoles and I sure as hell am not getting the inferior version.
mark3214uk  +   157d ago
i feel sorry for the x1 owners they shelled out the extra cash to what ms promised would be the better next gen console,and it turns out to be not much better than the 360, ms have let you down

720p or 1080p the graphics on them screen shots for the x1 are terrible,it looks like they had to compimise on graphics to get native 720p on x1
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Rip-Ridah  +   157d ago
Now let's be real here. To say that the game looks "terrible" is a bit much. I am supporting the PlayStation brand only this generation and I know that the game on the Xbox doesn't look terrible. By comparison, sure the PS4 is MUCH better looking. But I can throw MGS 1 in my PS1 and enjoy it in all it's jaggy glory. Most previous posts are dead on, but to imply that the game looks terrible is too much.
mark3214uk  +   157d ago
@Rip-Ridah yes i agree teerible is a strong word and your right it doesn look terrible,i should of said it jsut looks loads better on the ps4 version

also isnt this a x1 exclusive?
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jessupj  +   157d ago
What was Larry saying about not letting the PS4 get away with 30% more power?

Well this is 125% more pixels... and this isn't the first time. This seems to be a reoccurring theme.

I'd really love to see Larry's explanation for his remark, but he knows he'd get absolutely slaughtered, even more so than last time, if he went back to neogaf.
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SmielmaN  +   157d ago
He will simply ignore this and hope xboners do too
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T2  +   157d ago
Those xbox pr dudes stealth troll neogaf but would never dare start another "the truth will come out" campaign there. Funny how facts and pr don't mix
ITPython  +   157d ago
Not sure why they didn't do direct comparisons to the PS4 and XB1 with the same screenshots. But doing indirect comparisons the XB1 version looks a lot like the PS3 version.

But man oh man, PS4 version is the bees knees! Absolutely beautiful!
Unspoken  +   156d ago
Hmm, there is a clear difference as showcased by the screenshots at how much better the X1 looks compared to last gen, or is Sony making rose colored glasses to go with the PS4?
ITPython  +   156d ago
You are comparing the XB1 to 360 graphics, which I agree there is a big difference because the 360 just isn't that powerful.

But XB1 to PS3, not so much. PS3's graphics tapped out blows away 360 games and puts it fairly close to the XB1.
Abdou023  +   157d ago
Differences between Current vs Last gen. are in Resolution only, Not in polygons. Reminds me of that HD Remakes.
abzdine  +   157d ago
i agree, it's the case of games that have been shifted in the last minute.
games like The Order 1886 and inFamous will show what next gen is about.
ABizzel1  +   157d ago
@Abdou023

Resolution, framerate, textures, lighting.
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Vegrad415  +   157d ago
To clarify a little more on what a few have said about internal scaling. It means on last-gen consoles, the game will be rendered somewhere less than 720p, then just stretched up to 720p. It's the same process with some of the 900p games. If you have your console set to output 1080p when playing a 900p game, it just does a quick stretch up after the processing.
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curtis92  +   157d ago
@ people talking about 'not a big graphic leap', keep in mind not only does the ps4 version run in 1080p and have WAY better textures and effects, but it's also running at 60fps. We all know it could look better if it was next gen only but it's still nice to see MGS go back to 60fps. I've missed it.
Soulsaber  +   157d ago
PS4's power level is over 9000!!! That 1080p looks awesome.
kenshiro100  +   157d ago
But I thought the Cloud would save the day?
Deadpoolio  +   157d ago
Except that Azure sure as hell doesn't work that way It will NEVER effect anything graphically Azure works with the CPU not the GPU...NVidia is working on a cloud tech that would work with the GPU but they are the only ones...Hell 5 minutes worth of research which Xbots can't seem to manage would tell them all about Azure
Rashid Sayed  +   157d ago
@Abriael where does Kojima says its 1080p and 720p on the respective consoles?
Abriael  +   157d ago
It came in a press release together with the screenshots.

Edit: now it's also confirmed on the game's site.
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Rashid Sayed  +   157d ago
Correct: http://www.konami.jp/mgs5/g...

Gotta love the PS4 version!
SirNintend0  +   157d ago
Ah, found the source. Apologies Abriael!
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Abriael  +   157d ago
No problem :D

But yeah, we wouldn't just come out and lie about this.
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Snookies12  +   157d ago
Haha, it's funny to see disagrees when you're linking to the official site of the game which plainly states it.
SmielmaN  +   157d ago
Xbots hate facts, hence the disagrees. Probably same ppl who bought a Zune and use Bing. Lol
WitWolfy  +   157d ago
WOW!! The fox engine sure is an awesome engine!! The last gen versions actually keep up with the NEXT gen counter parts.

I'm impressed! I was expecting a leap much like Last gen BF4 was to the next gen versions.
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AnEwGuY  +   157d ago
Your logic is backwards. The fact that the last gen versions look so similar to next gen means no effort was put into this glorified tech demo on PS4/X1. Crysis 3 and BF4 for last gen even look better than this.
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Neixus  +   157d ago
Totally agree.

Another example is all the titanfall guys who says that the xbone version looks so close to pc version, so powerful!
That just means that the pc version wasn't utilized to it's fullest.
CrossingEden  +   157d ago
MGS4 still looks good today(outside of the plastic anime faces) because Kojima puts in a shitload more detail than he needs to. To say that they didn't work their asses off to make all versions of the game looks good would be asinine. Not to mention the fact that the next gen versions run at double the framerate.
MysticStrummer  +   157d ago
"The fact that the last gen versions look so similar to next gen means no effort was put into this glorified tech demo on PS4/X1."

Which means it's even more embarrassing for XB1 to get shown up again.
Kryptix  +   157d ago
Next gen versions look a little more detailed, especially the terrain but here is where the problem lies. The fact that all versions look similar and the Xbox One version is running the game in the same resolution as it's older Xbox counterpart shows that:

1. The Xbox One has weak specs.

2. The eSRAM is a huge bottleneck, the design was a horrible choice to begin with.

...I believe it's both. No Xbox fanboy can make anything up at this point and be taken seriously. I hope the supporting of the Xbox One has the potential to do better than the PS4 dies down after this.
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zeuanimals  +   157d ago
DDR3 is the bottleneck, eSRAM was just a poor fix. It's like fixing leaky pipes with Elmer's Glue.
press-start  +   157d ago
not trying to be a dik but wasn't this all ready expected.
Abriael  +   157d ago
It was and it wasn't. With all the promotion Kojima gave to the Xbox One by walking on stage and all, I kind of expected the studio to make an effort at least to keep resolution parity, maybe lowering other assets. Guess they didn't make it.
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00  +   157d ago
Ms really needs to lower the price of the xbox one
because stuff like this shows there is really no reason to get one when the cheaper PS4 does everything better when it comes to games.
Why o why  +   157d ago
That's telling coming from you. If they killed kinect it would help but those same guys championing it are failing to see many people don't give a s##t about its alledged value. Gaming console first. Gimmicks last.
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Yuri_Fan  +   157d ago
It's plays games better but does it have good games?
InTheLab  +   157d ago
Sure it does. It has MGSV and it runs at 1080p.

Are you suggesting it doesn't have any good games in a thread about a good game that runs better on the best console for games?
Hercules189  +   157d ago
Well Microsoft is providing the games, both Multi and Singleplayer.
Heres a list:
Sunset Overdrive: Single and Multiplayer
Quantum Break: Singleplayer story driven game with gameplay mechanics.
Titanfall: Multiplayer that will hold up for years.
Halo: Providing gamers with the best of both single and multiplayer.
Gears of War: Single and multiplayer that will last for years
Does Sony have as much diversity in games like that?
Studio-YaMi  +   157d ago
Infamous:Second Son
The Order 1886
Uncharted 4
Drive Club
Daylight
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Lily Bergamo
Natural Doctrine
Rime
Shadow of the Beast
Velocity 2X
Deep Down

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Oh yeah,talk about .. what did you call it? diversity? :D

Sony ALWAYS brings the games,ALWAYS! never forget that! >:)

Btw,I only listed most of the "confirmed" games,here is the list of the WHOLE PS4 games list :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
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SmielmaN  +   157d ago
It's sad that xbone fans keep making lists that include 4-5 games and always have halo, gears, titanfall, and a game that's barely been shown at all. Also, anything shown for xbone at last years e3 has to be seriously questioned because of the obvious downgrades to Forza and Ryse, which were flag ship titles for them.
MysticStrummer  +   156d ago
"Does Sony have as much diversity in games like that?"

Yes.

More in fact.

History has shown this.
deSSy2724  +   157d ago
FACTS:

1. PS4 is stroner than Xbox One
2. Kinect v2 is stronger than PS Eye and Kinect v1
3. PS4 is worth $400, PS Eye is worth $60
4. Xbox One and Kinect are worth $500
5. Kinect v1 was worth $100
6. If we want to purchase Xbox One, MS is forcing us to pay something we dont want and thats Kinect v2 (i mean, most of us dont care about Kinect and PS Eye)

Conclusion, MS should ditch the Kinect aka make it optional (not forcing us to buy it). Some repords are saying that Kinect v2 is worth $100-150 (some say even more). If thats true, by ditching the Kinect v2, Xbox One WITHOUT Kinect v2 would be worth $350-400
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Meltic  +   157d ago
ps3 still looks great !
sckipt  +   157d ago
So Xbox One needs more power still
corvusmd  +   157d ago
Sweet this game looks great no matter which console. I'll enjoy it on XB1

@sckipt I've learned, thanks. At first it worried be when there were Res differences like this on COD and BF4, but really the only thing that has changed is that I've learned that it doesn't actually matter. In side by side videos, there is barely a difference at all. Each console has it's strengths and weaknesses, it just becomes about preference. PS4 has the strength graphically, but there isn't a single game on XB1 that looks even remotely bad, and most times if they were unlabeled side by side you couldn't tell. So graphically point to PS4, but not by much. However, when it comes to controller, network, innovations, OS...I MUCH prefer the XB1. The advantage there far outweighs the amount of disadvantage graphically (esp in the Network department). Then MOST IMPORTANTLY, Games...I've had a PS every gen until this one so far (may get one someday, but cancelled my preorder) ...there simply aren't ANY PS4 exclusives I care about right now, but there are SEVERAL XB1 exclusives that I CAN'T WAIT to get my hands on. The systems haven't even been out for three months, I have no doubt XB1 will start doing 1080p/60fps consistently rather soon, then PS4 will have no more advantage. I'm confident with my choice, my XB1 is on all the time, and I've loved every second of it...however, I admit it does make me laugh to see how insecure some people get that I simply say that I will have fun playing a game on XB1. Happy gaming...that being said I'm done with this thread.
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christocolus  +   157d ago
im actually surprised to see the xbx 360 and ps3 versions looking that good. the fox engine must be really impressive.
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Sarobi  +   157d ago
"have no doubt XB1 will start doing 1080p/60fps consistently rather soon, then PS4 will have no more advantage"

No doubt will Xbox One eventually do 1080p/60fps consistently. But thinking that the PS4 won't have an advantage somewhere is just some form of wishful thinking.
WitWolfy  +   157d ago
Agreed, its as if these fanboys think the console is already maxed out and all the Xbone has to do is play catch up now.

Ignorance is bliss.
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firelogic  +   157d ago
Even before the PS4 launched Mark Cerny (PS4's architect) said that devs would easily be able to get what they wanted out of it very early on, but there's still a lot of hidden power that can be leveraged once they wrap their heads around how to use it.

So once/if XB1 devs can get games running at 1080/60, PS4 devs will be well on their way to learning other tricks to push their games even further.

Last gen it was technically superior PS3 hardware vs lesser 360 hardware but the difference was PS3 was extremely difficult to program for.

This gen the PS4 has superior hardware which is extremely similar to the XB1's hardware AND it's easy to develop for.

The gap is only going to get wider.
DoesUs  +   157d ago
PS4 will always have an advantage, tools alone can't make up hardware deficiencies. And PS4 will also get updated tools.
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MysticStrummer  +   157d ago
"I have no doubt XB1 will start doing 1080p/60fps consistently rather soon, then PS4 will have no more advantage."

Because tools and methods will improve on XB1 but not on PS4. Right...
aaron5829  +   157d ago
"I have no doubt XB1 will start doing 1080p/60fps consistently rather soon, then PS4 will have no more advantage."

I really hate it when people say this. It's as if Sony wont be improving overtime. Ignorance.
Why o why  +   157d ago
A? You gotta dream right. Lmao. That's his target. I'm thinking bigger. Can't wait to see what Naughty Santa Poly Dreams are cooking up. You know it's gunna hurt
chrisoadamson  +   157d ago
of course both will improve, just miscrosoft is the leading world expert in software so you would expect a bit more . from what i have read the launch dev kits and drivers on the XB1 were rushed out and way behind their sony counterparts
chrisoadamson  +   157d ago
of course both will improve, just microsoft is the leading world expert in software so you would expect a bit more . from what i have read the launch dev kits and drivers on the XB1 were rushed out and way behind their sony counterparts
imt558  +   157d ago
@chrisoadamson

If Microsoft is world leading expert in software, why are their SDK's so bad compared to PS4 SDK's?
midget_gem  +   157d ago
Don't you ever pause for breath lol.

'Happy gaming...that being said I'm done with this thread.' (cos I only have one bubble left)
CapraDemon  +   157d ago
xbone ;metal gear solid 5 720p
cod ghosts 720p
assasin's creed 720p
and

PS4 ; metal gear solid 5 1080P
Cod ghosts 1080p
assasin's creed 1080p

Does anyone notice a pattern here?
JoseV76  +   157d ago
Xb1, my favorite to game on I could care less about this resolution 1080p crap, can't wait to get the Xbox 1 exclusives, as there is hardly anything worth getting on ps4 ATM, not saying games are not coming for ps4 just enjoying xb1 more.
stuna1  +   157d ago
You don't have much choice, but to be done with this this thread, you only have one bubble!

It's cool that you support your purchase of the Xbox1 and its games, but it's not like the PS4 doesn't have or won't have games that technically as well as graphically outperform anything on the Xbox1, whether it be multiplatform or exclusive. Plus be considered good games.

The issue that I find hard to dismiss is, promises were made by Microsoft that seem to have gone unfulfilled and their supporters seem to be alright with that!
LeCreuset  +   157d ago
Of course you try to downplay undisputed PS4 advantages while hyping perceived Xbox advantages. Just the other day you were on multiple sites trying to play up XB1 selling more software than PS4 in Jan., until people pointed out to you that you had fallen for PR spin and such was not the case.
Timesplitter14  +   157d ago
pretty amazed at how great this game looks on previous-gen consoles
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KakashiHotake  +   157d ago
Wow it's like the Xbox One version barely edges the PS3 versions.
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Genki  +   157d ago
Ouch. I'm really interested to see how things develop between these 2 machines as the generation goes by. I'll say one thing - with as much noise as Sony and MS both made about 1080p even last gen, ANY game releasing at anything less than full HD is inexcusable in 2014 and beyond, period. We're on the heels of 4K display technologies from tablets all the way up to televisions and projectors, yet here we are with the second generation of HD consoles barely scraping the bottom of the barrel. Once 4K hits, that's yet another thing GPUs will have to factor into their power budget for future generations, so I wouldn't count on the uncanny valley being eclipsed at any time in the foreseeable future.

If you ask me, this generation is approaching the promises of the previous gen some 9 or so years ago. Personally, I'm still not impressed, and am holding out for that game that really wows me from either machine. I will say, however, that MS has been f'ing up royally since the start of this one, and I'm honestly surprised that anyone is still in their ballpark, devout fanboy or otherwise. When it gets to the point where your company of choice is actively going things to the detriment of you, the consumer, then I think it's time to call a spade a spade and seriously reconsider where you decide to spend your money.
WeAreLegion  +   157d ago
The problem lies in diminishing returns.
Genki  +   157d ago
Understood, which I think that this generation, even after waiting 7 years, came too early. Even aside from that, both of the powerhouse consoles have architectures based on tablet PCs? Give me a break. If nothing else, what can't be denied is that Sony and MS both sold themselves short with regard to hardware. With all the talk about all this power they supposedly do (or don't) have, at least the last gen consoles were built with the cutting edge of technology in mind. This time around? Not so much. We're facing an even greater uphill battle in this case, and the simple fact that we're still struggling with resolution and frame-rates is a testament to this...and we're just getting started. Imagine if the SNES struggled to keep up with standard definition and had a stuttering framerate, yet here we are, the consumers, eating this stuff up gladly.

tl;dr - diminishing returns aside, the big two skimped on hardware at one level or another, and we're the ones that will suffer for it.
Eonjay  +   157d ago
One important aspect you are forgetting is price. They cant afford to put expensive cards into these devices and maintain a competitive price. So they've adopted other things like compute. The graphics will eventually plateau but the computational abilities will allow for more vibrant experiences. What makes Resogun so impressive is not the graphics, but the simultaneous realtime physics calculations of hundreds of thousands of objects @60FPS
Genki  +   157d ago
Oh I don't doubt it, and I'm well aware of how price factors into the equation, as it's one of the things that damn near crippled Sony last gen, but I think that's only one part of the issue here. Personally, I would've been willing to pay top dollar for machines that are top performing, cutting-edge devices.

Right now, I scoff at the idea of spending my money on sub-par machines that are basically just glorified, modded tablets. Make no mistake about it either, I'm no 'PC master race" type either; the last game I was really into on PC was Starcraft: Brood War. Point is, they gimped on the hardware, it's showing FAR too early in the life cycle, and the consumers are the ones suffering for it. I can't believe that I'm the only one who feels this way (judging by the disagrees and what not), but I really feel like we've been shortchanged this gen. As the customer base, I think it's our responsibility to demand more and not stand for it.
Eonjay  +   157d ago
@Genki

To counter that I would direct you to last generation where the end products were a vast improvement over the launch games. What makes you think this wont happen again. The PS4 is nearly an order of magnitude more powerful. Most people dont have PCs that are capable of handling the demands of Infamous:SS. And far less are willing to pay the premium that you would accept. After seven years of the prior generation, the 399 that you pay for a modest upgrade will suffice in lieu of more powerful hardware. Give developers access to mid range specs and let them study and extract as much as possible.
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Nero1314  +   157d ago
Sad I bet the kinect is holding 1080p back
GraveLord  +   157d ago
It's the ESRAM and weak GPU.
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WeAreLegion  +   157d ago
Am I the only one who thinks the game is just freaking gorgeous?
WitWolfy  +   157d ago
Sure is! Kojima wasn't joking when he said that the Fox engine would blow us away.. Just one thing though.. IS it just me or does the mud on the PS3 version make it look much more realistic than the PS4 version sand texture?
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ANIALATOR136  +   157d ago
There seems to be puddles on the ps3 which are missing on the ps4
T2  +   157d ago
Dat last gen mud!

Lol
Abriael  +   157d ago
No you aren't. I think it's one of the best looking next gen games so far.
bumnut  +   157d ago
Can it be classed as next gen if its on last gen consoles too?
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Nero1314  +   157d ago
Ms being smart earns you money .
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4ShotKing  +   157d ago
Honestly not surprised, it's pretty much set in stone that the PS4 is more powerful, luckily I'm an Omni-gamer and own both, so looks like MGS5:GZ will be bought on the PS4
Bathyj  +   157d ago | Well said
By law of averages Xbone should have got one by accident by now. Is it really so underpowered? I'm thinking now the gap is even bigger than we thought. It's starting to feel like it's not even a competition anymore and were just flogging a dead horse.

To be honest I thought Xbone was going to hold back games for the sake of parity and the difference would be closer. I guess with no one year had start MS didn't have the leverage to bully like they once did. Every so often, I'm glad to be proven wrong.

Ps
I think they should have dropped the Xbone version to 30 fps locked and upped the rez to 1080p. It's not a quick reflexes game. 60 fps is not needed, but 1080p is going to be useful for scoping out enemies from far away in the dark.
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cyclindk  +   157d ago
I've been wondering the same thing since Titanfall info has been coming out, now I realize it is an example of a cross-generational title using an outmoded Source engine, and it generally doesn't look good on any platform even PC at max settings, but did they ever give concrete info on EITHER console of EXACTLY how much RAM is available exclusively for "video" memory used by games for visuals? Like, discrete from the OS usage?

If not, I'm wondering if in addition to less powerful processors and slower RAM setup, is less RAM actually available for visuals than we/I thought?

8 gigs of any RAM is a lot, for a non X1 user I am calling BS on some developers because it makes no sense that there aren't more examples of better performing games apart from I guess Forza.
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Why o why  +   157d ago
Lmao..........'accident by now'...... Harsh bro harsh
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HumanAfterAll  +   157d ago
I'm at the point now where I see these articles and I'm just "meh"

We're at the point where everyone who doesn't own or played an X1 will hate it. It's not just FPS or Resolution. It's not just price or power. It's just the name. X B O X.

There is literally no respect between console sides anymore. 1080 on Ps4? Cool beans. 720 on X1? Cool beans.

It's like what is so bad about Xbox? It's got some fun stuff. Sure it's underpowered and more expensive bundled with a device no one seems to want but myself. But there are some great games and Xbox Live gives you free games, sure some are quite old but at least they ARE free.

What's so bad about Playstation? Free games are just rentals but at least they have some great games that you can play every month. It has some of the most magical games of any system (for me one of those is Beyond: Two Souls. Love that game). It has cross play with it's handheld.

I love my PS4 and my X1. What I hate to see, is all the trolling and Fanboyism towards one console or the other.

I JUST WANT US ALL TO LOVE EACH OTHER! PEACE!

All this trolling just brings me down man.
Sarcasm  +   157d ago
Well, a lot of this is the aggression built by 360 fans lashing at PS3 owners when it first launched. It never ended with the constant barrage for the past 8 years.
HumanAfterAll  +   157d ago
Yeah and it'c quite unfortunate. can't seem to comment on anything anymore without getting bashed on for liking something.
DeadMansHand  +   157d ago
Still, he has a point. It's silly to bash just for the sake of being a jerk. Back in 2007 I was here under a diff name and it was the exact opposite. I loved my ps3 but was bubbled down and had hate IMs sent to me all the time just for saying I liked my system. So, in a way turn about is fair play but it also just shows people's maturity or lack there of.

What all console gamers should be doing is joining sides and raging against the real threat and that is mobile gaming. Both sides lose out if devs keep pursuing the pay to play formula on mobile devices. It takes away valuable time and resources from console games.
EmperorDalek  +   156d ago
Read the n4g comments for the IGN GTA4 review back in 2008. Seriously, do it.
Eonjay  +   157d ago
Its just that it should be the other way around. If you are building a gaming PC, and you were comparing two video cards, there is no way you are going to pay extra money for weaker performance. Its like a mental barrier signaling that something is wrong. The mass public may miss it but we are here because we want the games. That is priority.
Shakengandulf  +   157d ago
I'm fairly sure the Xbox-one comes with a camera.. That ain't free.
If the camera wasn't bundled, you might have a case.. But the truth is you're comparing a console with a camera (a high quality one at that) against the ps4 that doesn't.
Take the camera away and i believe the xbox is worth in comparison to the ps4 .. At least $50 less.
Just a guess.
Eonjay  +   157d ago
Notice that no one is complaining about the lack of a bundled camera on the PS4. Being able to use voice commands out of the box is nice, but not at a premium that sacrifices hardware performance. Before the consoles were revealed no one was asking for an updated Kinect. I believe it is a gimmick designed to give the illusion of value in order to rescue itself from being seen as a fundamentally inferior machine... at any price point.
LKHGFDSA  +   157d ago
I think it's important to have an opinion on this kinda thing.
Feedback from the users helps the companies to improve their system. And it's a bit impracticable for all of us to buy the bad consoles and just put up with it.
uso  +   157d ago
I completely agree with you but there is people that try to make x1 in something that it never can't become, and that is the most powerful console in the market.
Appreciate for what it is.

On a side note Beyond Two souls is one of the best experiences that I play this year, super engaging and stunning to look at, what a beautiful game.
plaZeHD  +   157d ago
My friend as much as I love all of us to unite, that is never gonna happen.
HumanAfterAll  +   157d ago
I hear you on that.

One can hope..
mcarsehat  +   157d ago
I agree, people are responding like: this is revenge for the 360 owners doing it.

not to be the bearer of bad news but those 360 owners now own a ps4 and you've joined sides doing it to the remaining shreds and the others who just bought one for the games.

what i get from this is pure laziness, i will be getting it for ps4 because it will run better but why is the resolution the same as the 360's? surely it can be highered up internally to more than 720p 60fps? just laziness from a developer that focuses too much on content than development.
InTheLab  +   157d ago
What's so bad about Xbox? The company that owns it is anti-gamer and anti-consumer. With each new game that comes out showcasing how underpowered the X1 is, it proves that MS is anti-gamer for choosing this...

http://youtu.be/0QaFgvYU1TE

...over the needs of developers and gamers. They forced on Kinect to drive up the price and for what? Navigation and casuals?

And the killer part is that they are making a profit off this mess of a console.

It's not fanboyism to dislike a company for valid reasons and with all of the lies and half truths coming from MS, shame on 3m+ that went out and ignorantly supported a company that has done all that MS has in gaming.

So BP goes out and destroys an ocean or two. I no longer buy gas from BP. Does that make me a fanboy for supporting companies that are not actively destroying our oceans?

I no longer support Bank of America for all of those predatory loans they unleashed during in the early 2000's. Am I a fanboy for using smaller local banks that haven't tried to ruin me?

Yes there are fanboys out there but some of you "gamers" need to pull your heads out of your a$$ and start acting like smart consumers. The more powerful console is cheaper and built by a company that clearly respects it's customers and has a history of supporting their console well after the release of their next console.....But we should stop being fanboys and support the company that pay walls off things you already pay for, tried to strip you of your rights and told you to buy their other console if you don't like it, and lied to you countless times about the switches they can't flip or how much power they're giving up to the competition.
HumanAfterAll  +   157d ago
"some of you "gamers" need to pull your heads out of your a$$ and start acting like smart consumers."

Sooooo are you implying that people who like the Xbox brand, and Xbox in general are stupid?

"The more powerful console is cheaper and built by a company that clearly respects it's customers and has a history of supporting their console well after the release of their next console" <--- instant bias. You can't say "stop fanboyism" and put that.

"It's not fanboyism to dislike a company for valid reasons."

That is not what I said at all. It's the "Gaystation has no games hur hur" and the "Xbox no playz 1080P. all gamez suck."

THAT is the biggest problem. The fact that people who like one console or the other are called stupid for their choices. I mean I bought both consoles. I have a Wii and Wii U. I play PC. So what does that make me?
Hicken  +   157d ago
You're not stupid for liking xbox, but it's stupid of anybody to ignore serious transgressions just four a but of fun. Had Sony tried all the crap Microsoft did instead, I'd be a retro only gamer.

You don't support people that screw you over; that IS stupid. There's no franchise I love enough to make me give up my ownership rights on all other games. I was already not happy with online passes, DJs am still not pleased with paying for online.

By all means, like what you want. But don't try to use that add an exist for supporting anti consumer tactics and policies. Because when and if your indifference legs to you losing things, you'll only have yourself to blame.

I didn't want anybody to put up with the BS Microsoft was trying to pull, but it seems xbox fans don't really care. In that case, screw them. I'll protest Microsoft's policies for my own sake, since I don't want that garbage interfering with MY gaming. I WANT to feel bad about all this news, but the apologists just make me say, "that's what you get."
maniacmayhem  +   157d ago
@Hicken (and InTheLab)

I love your way of thinking. I love that you actually believe that if Sony went MS's route you would leave gaming. You and I both know that is not true at all.

You claim you weren't happy with what Sony implemented with PS4 but you are accepting them while trying to protest MS policies THAT NEVER MADE IT TO THE PUBLIC, unlike Sony.

Sony implemented online passes for PS3 and you took that, Sony allowed their security to be breached and kept it to themselves for three weeks and you accepted that, Sony made paying to play online mandatory and you accepted it. Sony tried passing all digital for their PSPGo and you accepted it and even called it a "test".

You would accept anything that Sony would give you the same way you believe Xbox users would accept from MS. You would take it with a smile and find some ridiculous excuse as to why it's acceptable from Sony.

You are beyond ridiculous.
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InTheLab  +   157d ago
@maniac

At what point did I say any of that? If you want to take place in a discussion how about you talking about something actually said here instead of your made up conversation?

I may not agree with human but at least he's on topic.

So let's talk about your random points.

Sony introduced an online pass and I had a problem with it. They got rid of online pass as gamers were cleary against it and they were losing the good will gained from PS+ and other programs like cross buy.

I'd also like to point out that the 360 has an online pass for all games in addition to the ones placed by EA so your bringing it up makes little sense.

The breach was an external intrusion that could have and does happen to any company. See the recent Target breach for an example. While I was annoyed that I had to monitor my card more than I already do, the end result was a few free games and online down for two weeks.

At no point have I ever said I'd leave gaming if Sony hypothetically tried to screw me like MS as I am also a PC gamer and will probably a WiiU next year. I also still own my ps3 and 360 for cross gen games and rely more on my gaming rig.

And finally the dumbest comparison I've seen in a while, the pspgo was an option. Sony didn't discontinue the psp. They didn't tell you if you want to play our games, deal with it. You'd have a point if Vita was digital only but the fact that you have to dig wayyy back 5 years ago to a handheld device that is completely optional to prove how anti-consumer Sony is, is outright pathetic.
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maniacmayhem  +   157d ago
@Inthelab

More of my point was directed at Hicken, but some points could be made towards you which is why I had your name in parenthesis.

First of all how is MS anti-consumer? they never released the DRM due to consumer outrage. If anything they heard the cries of the consumer and reversed them. Unlike Sony who did implement 1st party online passes and then switched to paid online for their PS4 games.

MS did NOT have any online passes in any of their 1st party games unlike Sony who did have them for their titles. know the difference.

The X1 is underpowered in terms of the resolution and graphics but how does it effect the gameplay? It doesn't, Tomb Raider, BF4, CoD all function and play the exact same way unlike the previous gen where some of the PS3 multiplats were buggy to almost completely broken. This is not the case for these systems.

And yes the breaches do occur at other companies and when it does that company makes an announcement and warns their user base that their info could have been compromised as soon as possible. Sony waited near three weeks to tell their user's anything. Imagine if someone hacked your bank account and it took your bank three weeks to inform you that it was hacked and your info might be compromised. You would be pissed and would want to know why you weren't informed earlier.

The PSP was all but discontinued, they stopped production of UMD's therefore making PSP useless. But again, fanboys will use any excuse to not see it and therefore say it was an option. Sony tried exactly what MS was trying with X1 and it failed just like the DRM for X1.

5 years ago or yesterday it still happened. It's also equally pathetic that you can bring up MS's past and why you don't support them based on it but no one should bring up Sony's past.

But then again most of you are known for double standards and turning the other cheek when it comes to your favorite company.
jetlian  +   156d ago
my thing is how is it the only change from 360 to xbo is 60 fps. xbo is 6-8 times more powerful. I'm seriouly thinking kojima is gimping the game.

still remember his whole ps3 a theater vs 360 being hdtv. Yet now ps3 the only upscaled version of GZ! Which in turn shows 360 was more powerful like carmack said.

Also remember how quick he was to claim raiden wasnt snake hitting 360
MAULxx  +   157d ago
MS did a lot to piss off their fan base.
MS is despicable and the Xbone design is too.
It's not just PS fanboys bashing the Xbone, it's ex Xbox fans like me bashing it. By default we adopted the PS4 that has what we want in a game console.
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