Konami and Kojima Productions are holding a Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes boot camp in Nasu, a lovely hot springs town in the Tochigi prefecture in Japan, and the first impressions are filtering from attendees via Twitter.
"Sergio Pennacchini commented on the length of the game as well: To finish mgsv in 2 hours is like going out for dinner with charlize theron and take her to mcdonalds." I figured there is more to this story than 2 hours of gameplay. You can beat Uncharted pretty quickly if you just rush through and don't take time to enjoy the game or the secrets that ND threw in. Most people will take longer than 2 hours if they are really trying to enjoy all aspects of the title.
Look most of previews have said it's short so it's going to be short....no way to spin it, they are trying to screw us over. At this point other sites are going to try and defend it in "Konami/Kojimas" honor to most likely try to get free goodies or exclusive previews/interviews/info in the future. Point is at the end of the day we're supposed to pay for basically cut content from the main game. As people have said a million times it's like cutting the Tanker missions in MGS2 and selling them for a very high price. I really doubt you could complete Uncharted in 2 hours aswell....maybe on easy but not other difficulties. A ND tester got 3 hours... http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... and that's a NaughtyDog guy rushing through a full on game. Imagine if you rushed through Ground Zeroes.
Well I do agree with you on the pricing aspect. They should be charging no more than 29.99 for this standalone title, IMO.
To say "they are trying to screw us over," is implying there is actual malicious intent in the studio to do nothing other than take advantage of us. I'm a huge Metal Gear fan, and even I have questioned whether or not I want to buy this anymore, but I think much of this is being blown out of proportion, and many people who have absolutely no first hand experience with the game or what has gone on behind the scenes, are making some very inordinate comments everywhere.
I agree with reaper, 30 should have been the max price, they should have skipped the retail copy if they couldn't hit that price point. 40 is entirely too much. Dlc is not available retail so lack of ability to dl should not be an issue. Or some sort of discount for phantom pain to balance out the cost.
It's just weird to hear "2 hours of gameplay" on a Kojima game. I'm used to hearing "There's a 2 hour cut-scene" in a Kojima game. I guess we'll find out when the game launches. Clearly it's not going to be a full on feature length Metal Gear, but hopefully it offers enough in gameplay and possible replay to warrant a purchase.
My gosh, people, you can get this game for $20 digitally.
"Every soldier in Ground Zeroes has a unique appearance. Their faces, taken from real photos, appear only once per game." I was jumping from excitement when I heard something similar before the release of Black Mesa Source, with their revolutionizing tech and algorithm called " Face Creation" which promised to not meet any same person model any later in the game. Well after playing it I was very disappointed. Well the team only modeled like 4-5 faces and by using the algorithm they made look random , skin changin skinny, fat different props but still same person. It worked well at the beginning but I encountered same faces and models and later in the game. I hope now in MGS, it will work better since it seems more authentic. If true, then THIS will be the most acclaimed next-gen feature: A TRUE REVOLUTION ! For the first time a game will havve a dedicated personality and will feel fresh and unique. Trust me, such feature will make you dive into the game and even forget that is a game until Kojima breaks the 4th wall in some occasions.
Would love to see even a shred of proof from any of your many conspiracy theories... You're on a crusade to waste time and emotional energy over something you clearly have trouble understanding and have little to no hard info on. I like how those with the conspiracy theories seem to be the only ones able to see through the ruse. /s I will more then likely be buying a PS4 physical version so I can lend to a few of my friends/family. But whether it's physical or digital I will be experiencing and enjoying the game day 1 unless something serious happens to change my mind. I find 9/10 times people on gaming sites blow things way out of proportion and once the real info/games actually come out they either never speak of it again or never find out for themselves and continue to spew ignorance. Which will you and others become?
This wasn't the only set of impressions to come out of the play event: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
"Finished GZ for the first time in about 90 minutes. Total game completion? 9%. I think that tells you all you need to know."
It's two hours if you rush. Not speedrun, but rush. It's an open world, and undoubtedly the "two hour" time stamp is if you make a beeline, point-to-point from A to B just to complete the main missions. We KNOW there are at least three side missions. You also have to find them yourself- you have to explore the open world before the side missions even unlock. Also it is an open world. Who knows how many hours I lost to open world games, even ones with small open worlds, just exploring. And the MGS series is one that LENDS itself to exploration. We've never had an area larger than probably four hundred yards- now we have an area of several miles, with emergent guards and side missions. Not to mention MGS games are _insane_ for replayability. I've played MGS2 and 3 probably six or seven times a piece- that includes the Tanker and Virtuous Mission. Just like those, I bet Ground Zeroes is going to be more than long enough to get a solid 10-14 hours gameplay out of if you just take your time, explore, and enjoy it. People are getting riled up over ONE publication rushing through the open-world experience. You can't compare this to Uncharted's because they are linear. A lot of the content in GZ will be off the beaten path- this is more like running ONLY through the main quest in Skyrim or The Witcher. Basically, the "2 hours" clock-in will be missing possibly more than half of the game's content.
You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. Sure it would be nice to see it be cheap at 30 dollars, but gamers these days are so spoiled. By the sounds of this game, it has high re-playability if you can approach each encounter in different ways, "3-5" as one person said in the article, and if that's true then i will be playing the hell out of it. Why is it that gamers these days say if it doesn't take take me a week or more (probably an exaggeration but you get my point) that it's not worth the buy? http://www.youtube.com/watc... If you bother to think about games and this video I linked, games never used to be so long, but they were fun to play and you would play them over and over. Sure you can argue that the MGS series has always been long and wonderful with its story, but if they can give a great story to wind us up for the next part in the series, if the game is good as they say then who cares how long it is? If you don't think it will be good enough because of length than wait for the reviews. Purposely find one that's a negative review and if that negative review only points out its because it's short than that should not be enough reason. If it says the story is unfulfilling or the gameplay is not as it should be, then you can call it out. Why is the short length of a game bad if it can still deliver a good satisfying game that we can replay?
I've played countless games where before they said campaign was 6 Hours and it takes me 8 because I take my time and don't rush. 2 Hours though even if it was 4 is still very short.
@thereappersson uncharted is not MGSV. MGSV is an open world game, uncharted is very linear with a few branching roads that always lead to a treasure. we all know MGSV can be beaten in 5 mins if you're speed running it and skipping cutscenes. for the rest of us it'll be 2+ hours. i doubt most people will do all the side missions especially from what we've seen of them. they're most likely going to be "leaderboard-esque" missions rather than containing an actual story. e.g. - "find all the FOX badges in the time limit"
If you have played peacewaller I think you'll have a better idea of what to expect from the sode missions.
If it gets us home quicker, McDonald's works for me.
LOL you ingenious bastard! Thanks for making me laugh man. Looking forward to getting this game regardless of the price. If what these guys are saying about the ending, I want to experience it myself. Also, one guy finished it in 90 minutes with 9% completion. So around 4 to 6 hours for 100% completion maybe? Good enough for me.
But if you take her to McDonalds she might ask you drop her off with someone else or she might just want a quickie. Get her a nice plate with maybe a drink or two and shes yours for the night ;)
Room service! I can cook just fine and a candle lit dinner would be the bomb! That way it's a short trip to the hot tub. Giggidy!
Is _FantasmA_ really complaining about a quickie with Charlize Theron!?!? We should be so lucky!!! LOL
thereapersson i am a huge MGS fan and have all the games but no way to spin this, its a glorified demo just like GT5:P was and that sold about 5 million copies and had way less tracks and less cars I can't wait to try it and will buy it day one but please let's not defend a very short game. As long as the experience is great i don't mind spending just like how Bioshock Burial at sea dlc was short yet excellent
Charlize Theron Is a Super Babe
Butter smooth on ps4!!! Can't wait for this game
That's all very good to hear. I had planned on picking this game up until the reports last week but now I'm ready to jump in
F*** it I'm getting it I've made worst decisions in life
yea the hell with it. im buying. waiting for some used copies of tomb raider ps4 to show up also.
I can't decide if Final Fantasy XIII or dating a Mormon was worse.
Final Fantasy XIII. Sadly. :(
Say thing I said. Bubble for you.
Thank you for contributing to the degradation of this great industry and becoming an enabler of publishers and developers that do this kind of BS, while I exhibit a little self control (which isn't that hard btw, and I'm a huge mgs fan) in a futile attempt to stop said BS from happening again. smh...
Ok... Good luck with that
You care way too much about something you know very little about... why not reserve judgement till you get a chance to experience first hand or read/watch a few full reviews??? SMH at all of you going off the chain who will backtrack or attempt to justify your arguement/view in the coming weeks/months knowing you were wrong and jumping the gun in the most cynical of ways. Usually we get a break but between this and TR:DE some have been on a Negative Nancy trip Debbie Downer'ing everything based on out of context quotes.
tell that to something actually bad like Titanfall where mp only games will rise if that shit succeeds
YEah I'd get it too, fudge it I bought a Wii U Nothing can top that.!
"Not a Two Hour Game" no, its a 1.5 hour game! but seriously i kid, i kid. Counting down the days when I get to play this myself!
I beat MGS 4 with a total time of 3 hours and 22 minutes. Granted I was doing this to get the BIG BOSS title. I doubt Ground Zeroes is as short as people are saying but if it is then it's worth half the amount of a full game, 30$, which ironically is how much it costs.
To finish the main story the first time it took me like 23 hours, so if the Ground Zeros main story needs 2 hours 10-15 bucks would be more in line with what the paid demo should cost.
Still skeptical even after the positive previews by people who spent time in a lovely hot springs town who most likely enjoyed all local amenities with all expenses paid by Konami.
" by people who spent time in a lovely hot springs town who most likely enjoyed all local amenities with all expenses paid by Konami. " Exactly
Honestly some of the comments here are depressing...ONE or TWO guys from twitter says it's not short and thats it... everyone is willing to pay full price for it. One says it's 9%....and all the other stuff will most likely be small side missions or collectibles, something silly. Funny how more then one person used that example, it's like they were told what to say, it's happened before for other games. Jesus Christ....thanks guys, thank you for supporting a practice which other devs could pick up on in the future. Just like DLC at the start of last gen See you a year or two guys when this practice is exploited and your all moaning about it. Is it that hard to hold off and not buy it...just wait for the inevitable bundle with the full game in the future, you know which it should be anyway.
That's why devs take advantage of idiot consumers, why do you think cod never in innovates? They keep selling, like you said with their rehashed maps and DLC. I think Kojima and konami have created a practice that will plague the industry for years to come
It's sad how people don't care now but we'll see the same people complaining in the future. Take a look at the comments above and people agreeing with them...I mean really just because a few guys got a luxury expensive trip paid by Konami to preview the game. It's not like they are going to come out and say bad things, it's the whole point of the trip.,...damage control. Seriously most gamers are idiots and it saddens me that they don't give a s*** when their actions today could have major consequences in the future. It's not like this hasn't happened before...DLC, Micro Transactions are getting worse, devs releasing broken games only to patch them later....I mean come on.
there are people who can pay for XBL for years and still think it is "okay" for things like netflix, youtube and etcs to be behind the pay wall and still call it a superior service. Playing FREE TO PLAY games while still need to maintain a "subscription" to access it. And all that are being "ok". Then what is this game in comparison?
"Is it that hard to hold off and not buy it...just wait for the inevitable bundle with the full game in the future, you know which it should be anyway" But the full game (brand new) is going to cost $80-$90. GZ is a separate title. Kojima/Konami isn't going to screw over early adopters of GZ by giving GZ away for free when TPP releases. TPP w/GZ ISN'T going to be $60. The likely outcome for people who wait will be. TPP=$60 + $15-$20 for a used GZ = $75-$80 all together. Wait and see.
@-Foxtrot: Okay. You do know that this isn't the first game to release a 40$ "extended demo" right? "Seriously most gamers are idiots and it saddens me that they don't give a s*** when their actions today could have major consequences in the future. " lol where were you in the past? We could have definitely used you back when xbox live started to get popular. :)
Name other known games where this has happened. The only one I can think of is Dead Rising 2 Case Zero but it wasnt thay much Oh and how do know I didn't do something then, I tried to hold off but over time I realised I was alone.
For $20 it's reasonable.
right for digital download its perfect. Yet people complained and said "we want it physical" well guess what its going to cost way more for shipping and manufacturing, which bumps up the price to the 30-40
It's really not....
Well said, Fox. But I can assure you that those who have had a sudden change of heart upon seeing the positive impressions regarding the length, were likely gonna get the game anyway. It's saddening to see one of my favorite hobbies deteriorate right before our eyes due to sheer naivety.
Or you could just buy it used, that way you still get to play the game. And you hit the developer where it hurts, their pocket.
I am willing to pay 40, and I'm tired of all your long ass comments on these mgsV ground zeroes articles just shut up and if you dont want it dont buy it, or spend the 20 dollar digital fee you sally if you care about the price so much.
Thanks for being a cancer to this industry :)
Yeah, this wont become a "practice". The last game to do this, to my knowledge was Gran Tourismo 5 Prologue, which was about 6 years ago. And you CAN get the game for 30, on NEXT GEN, which you never seem to bring up, only ignore.
@-Foxtrot: "Name other known games where this has happened. The only one I can think of is Dead Rising 2 Case Zero but it wasnt thay much" Gran Turismo 5 prologue was another. I can't think of the others right off the top of my head besides the one you named "Dead Rising 2 Case Zero". But I will say this. Ground Zeros is a bit over priced at 40$. It really should not be more than 20$. But if its open world like Phantom Pain is gonna be, then obviously you can get more than 2 hours of gameplay out of it.
knowing you, and i dont... your going to cave and buy it early
The wait is really kidding me barely over a month left to go! This is the sole reason I got a PS4 early. Plus I won a copy so no money out of my pocket.
I would think the sole reason would be Phantom Pain, no?
Well that reason too just MGS V altogether.
cant wait to see what kojima will do with ds4 light bar like what he did with psyco mantis
Bad ass. $40? :)
Damn perfection only on PS4
"Finished GZ for the first time in about 90 minutes. Total game completion? 9%. I think that tells you all you need to know." HOLY SHIT!
"Butter Smooth on PS4" ~ Yeaahhhh! Glad to hear, I'd be worried if it weren't. cross-gen games should be way, way superior on these new consoles. I didn't shed £350 on a PS3.5 that's for sure.
So the Xbox One version is shit....wtf this is getting ridiculous... :\
Well, the Xbox one wasn't designed specifically for gaming, and it shows. Get a PS4, you'll be happier.
True, but the only thing that bothers me is its not like the X1 is a bad or all that weak machine...i honestly am driving myself nuts tryin to decide between the two sys...
Nasu at Tochigi? I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THERE!! Very nice town!
personally , i think its awesome . 2nd , mgs is not the 1st to do this ( gran turismo had prologue ) . could the morons here please stop insisting that mgs devs are somehow trying to shaft us all with a a short introduction to a very anticipated game . i also think its awesome that kojima possibly did cut this from the full game , to take i few hours out of the game and give it to those rabid mgs fans is a really friendly move so what its 30bucks lol ( a brand new bluray costs the same and they are usually 2hours long ) i bet that the people playing the mgs prologue play it more than they watched the transformers bluray that's sat collecting dust at the back of the shelf . so what will you suggest next , that we just ban home entertainment all together . yaknow , to stop all those evil devs and movie directors from tricking us out of our 2 trips to starbucks ......