Wedbush Equity Research released an enormous document with its predictions about this year in the gaming industry, and according to the analysis firm the PS4 will outsell the rivals.
Seems reasonable. I would expect a bigger gap between the PS4 and xbone though. The PS4 is a much more attractive console. Once most of the core xbox faithful have bought their xbone I believe sales will drop. Of course most people these days it seems aren't smart and prudent enough to do their research when buying an expensive product, so the gap could be even smaller. There's plenty of good reason's to get an xbone over a PS4, but if 3 million people can buy a more expensive console with weaker hardware by a company that drops core support early and fought fiercely to try to take away their basic consumer rights, then anything's possible.
me too, i expect the gap to be bigger but we all know MS isn't gonna keep the system at 500$ forever a 100$ cheaper bit more powerful ps4 is a strong valid argument against MS and the xbox one, they're not gonna stand there and let sony win that easy MS got a golden chance of getting back head to head in numbers with sony, i mean they have 3 freaking giant explosive exclusives, big heavy hitters 1- Halo 5 2- Gears of War 4 3- Titanfall the least selling one of those will break 7 millions sales mark easily, u know their marketing I expect them to make a kinectless Xbox one when those 3 games arrive and just watch sales roar like crazy and will equal ps4
"MS got a golden chance of getting back head to head in numbers with sony" Unless the diehard Xbox fans in the US start buying 3,4,5 or more duplicate consoles like they did due to the RRoD fiasco and other ridiculous hardware problems the 360 had, Microsoft isn't getting near Sony installed base numbers ever.
^^^^^^^^^ sir you haven't addressed my reasons for that argument
Yeah, 9 million Xbox One's in the first year? Not going to happen. The RRoD plagued Xbox 360 couldn't sell 9 million consoles in its first year and it was 200 dollars cheaper than the PS3. It only sold some 8.5 million at the one year mark. Investors are calling for the new Microsoft CEO to dump all of Steve Ballmer's failed products like the Xbox, Bing, Windows Phone, etc. To think that Microsoft is going to slash the price of the Xbox One just to lessen the amount it loses to the PS4 this gen is delusional. A downgraded PC port(Titanfall) and the same old Halo/Gears of War isn't going to save the Xbox One. Hopefully the new MS CEO does dump the Xbox fiasco and returns the focus back to the PC market. Microsoft has let the PC game market flounder for years while they've wasted time losing badly in the console market that they obviously have no competence to compete in. After 14 years and Microsoft being 0-3 in the console market it is time to knife the baby and move on.
@ape007 Sony have their own heavy hitters as well you know. Though i agree dropping kinect will drive sales
6-7 million is most likely the most Microsoft will sell in the first year. The Xbox One is going to have to survive off of just the US for sales this gen. Microsoft is giving up on Japan - although they are keeping a token presence to avoid the PR humiliation of having to admit failure there. The PS4 is outselling the Xbox One 2-1 in Europe. That PS4 domination is only going to get larger when PS4 stock can keep up with demand. The Xbox 360 came in last place despite: 1. Being rushed out the door a year early to pad out its installed base numbers. A year and a half in Europe. 2. 200 dollars cheaper than the PS3. Which still outsold it every single year in worldwide sales. 3. The RRoD and other hardware problems causing Xbox 360 owners to buy new model after new model with each one promising to finally 'fix' the absurd reliability problems the poorly designed 360 suffered from leading to tens of millions of duplicate 360 consoles inflating the installed base numbers. The failure of the Xbox One shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. The Xbox base is some 25-35 million or so mostly US fans most of whom bought 4-5 duplicate Xbox 360 consoles last gen.
Agree with above ^ Ape, you're completely oblivious to the fact that Sony have their own heavy hitters. If those "freaking giant explosive exclusives"(LOL), a cheaper price and a year head start didn't allow the 360 to beat the PS3 last gen, how on earth do you think they'll accomplish that this time? It's pretty obvious Sony will be leading this gen, from start to finish. However, that doesn't mean the Xbox One is a bad piece of hardware.
Ape, those games are big, no doubt. However, Sony has many of their own hotly-anticipated titles due out this year, a few of which are coming out in the next 6 months. I still think that unless Microsoft does something about their price disadvantage, they will continue to be at a loss against Sony's PS4 momentum this generation. Pricing is key with consumers, even in markets that deal in high-priced commodities. Many people are waiting to buy the One when it drops in price - myself included - since we all recognize it provides a great entertainment environment. However, most people really do not want to be forced to buy into the Kinect experience without being given the option to try it first, and Kinect is the reason why the price is higher than the PS4. If Microsoft would just swallow their pride and make it optional again, as they did with the 360, they'd have a better chance at competing directly with the PS4 in sales.
Only titanfall out this year though. Even if both consoles were simlar priced I think Xbone would struggle somewhat thanks to PS having a bigger market share (last generation proved this with ps3 catching up even being the more expensive console)and also being more powerful. Only way Ms could catch up now is drop it LOWER than the PS4 but that's never gonna happen now..
^^^^^^ yes sony will have thier heavy hitters but i emphasized on these xbox one games because i expect them sell more they fit perfectly in what sells these days, great shooters, great gameplay and ONLINE yes online infamous and the order are great games but they have no online component(don't get me wrong, their quality is top notch
Not this time.
Ape... Look man, you read what you want, but the bottom line is that no matter what the One does, at $100 dollars more, the One is at an immediate, tangible disadvantage when put up against the PS4. It's not that it's a bad system in any real sense of the word. It's that giant elephant in the room: the price tag. The second the Xbox One is as cheap as the PS4, it will start selling much better. Sony has set the sweet spot for next gen pricing - cheaper than a comparable PC setup for low-overhead gaming - so it's up to Microsoft to match Sony at their game. They (Microsoft) had it nailed at the beginning of last generation, so it makes you wonder why things have turned on their head. By the way, none of those Sony games you listed have needed to rely on multiplayer to sell well.
"They (Microsoft) had it nailed at the beginning of last generation, so it makes you wonder why things have turned on their head." The Xbox 360 got outsold by the PS3 every single year on the market right from the start even while being 200 dollars cheaper. So, no, they most certainly didn't nail it at the start of last gen.
Hocking, they released first and were the cheaper system. They allowed themselves to grow into the market to become the dominant system in most people's homes for the early part of last gen. Yes, the PS3 had more worldwide sales, but the impact of the 360 at launch was pretty significant. Halo 3 and Gears of War pretty much put the 360 at the forefront of competitive gaming.
@ape. Some people, actually quite a lot actually *gasp* prefer single player campaigns in games. Some people actually aren't keen on online multiplayer dudebro shooters. That's the problem with xbone: Halo, Forza, Gears ad infinitum/nauseum and now Titanfall which isn't even a true exclusive and will be on PS at some point anyhow. The only thing thats gonna help xbone is either drop kinect or price/both, and by that time it will be too late as we all know PS4 will be dominating by then.
Good news for Sony makes people ignore the source the info comes from, none other than Michael Pachter. Remember any other thing he talks about is pure bull but let him mention some good news about sony and n4g is like "He's right about this don't you think? Oh yeah, his thoughts are my thoughts exactly." It's lame and kinda dysfunctional.
@ape007 you spoke truth, but these ps4 fans don't want truth. Kinect Sports 1 outsold both Infamous games combined and they call that a heavy hitter. I don't know how many XB1's will sell this year, but I know the XB1 will sell well. All the hardcore games have bought their consoles, its now the casual gamers time to purchase consoles, and the XB1 is more attractive to casual games because of Kinect, hence the reason MSFT bundled kinect with every console. Also imagine if every XB1 has nfl ticket next fall, that alone will sell a lot of units in the US, the way ps3 sold a lot because of the blu ray player. Not to mention holiday season 2014, with Halo 2 or 5 coming out. At the end of the day it comes down to games, and XB1 is owning ps4 in the games department, better launch and better 2014 lineup.
Rig_Master, you sound like you're making a comment based on business. But it's pretty obvious you don't exactly understand how the console business works. Or the market. Those calling for Xbox being dumped are ignorant of gaming or people trying to drive or keep the price of MS stock down to short sell. Xbox makes huge profits. Look into how the console market works and figure it out for yourself. Only a fool believes MS should sell Xbox.
"hardware by a company that drops core support early" Yes, Microsoft dropped their support early for the Xbox, but I find comments like this quite funny. They are comments made essentially by Sony fanboys that completely forgot how Sony doped support for the original PSP, and are dropping support at this moment for the PSP Vita and PS3. What exclusive games worth mentioning does Sony have, made by Sony studios, for the Vita and PS3 in 2014 and beyond ? If it wasn't for 3rd party games, i would have sold my PS3 by now. Fanboys are really quite blind... and that goes for every fanboy from any platform. They see what they only want to see.
You know, this has got to be the dumbest thing I read all week. I can think of 6 exclusive games off the top of my head, 5 of which are first party, in 2013 that Sony released for the PS3 and I am sure I am forgetting some (Ni No Kuni, God of War: Ascension, The Last of Us, Beyond: Two Souls, Gran Turismo 6, Ratchet and Clank: Into the Nexus). This was the 7th year of the PS3. 2 of them entirely new IP's, again 7th year. Microsoft released less games and only sequels in the last 3 years than Sony released in 2013 (Gears of War 3, Gears of War: Judgement, Halo 4, Forza 4, Halo: Reach). Microsoft dropped the first Xbox like a rock, the 360 has been on multiplatform lifesupport since 2010 but yeah let's brush historic trends aside because everything is oh so different now. Your last sentence sums up your ignorant rant quite well.
Are you for real dude? You must be coming from a dimension where the last 19 years of gaming did not exist.
@Serg Seriously !!! Witch part you didn't understand from "2014 and beyond" ? come_bom's right... i don't think Sony have any 1st party games announced (until now) on the PS3 and Vita for 2014. In 2014, at least until E3, there are no 1st party game (worth mentioning) for the PS3 or Vita. Let's see if Sony mentions a few PS3 or Vita games in E3.
@fermcr So what? They supported the PS3 for 7 entire years, a few things are probably still to come from their in house studios. And if not, it's basically going to be the same situation as the 360 was in the last 3 years, without the next generation to even look forward to. You say Sony needs to announce things for the PS3 but completely leave out Microsoft and 360 out of the discussion, which was the original topic of discussion in the first place. PS Vita has recently picked up some good news whereas the PSP almost never had any. Sony has released some great games for the PSP, Motorstorm: Arctic Edge and 2 God of War games to name a few. Also, it's a freaking handheld, why are you even including the PSP and the Vita in this discussion. So instead of bashing Sony for not announcing new things for an 8 year old console, why don't you turn your attention to the real culprit, who released one hand full of games in the last 3 years, again, less than Sony released last year.
Congrats on having completely irrelevant and yet unoriginal opinions. Is it you feel you are educating these ignorant, unwashed masses?
The gap will definitely be between 1.5x and 2x PS4 to One. All the numbers are trending that direction.
@jessupj, WELLSAID bubble up. I can't believe people are disagreeing with you. They are actually proving your point. They themselves don't know it has a less powerful hardware, and that Microsoft fought for not a few months but 3 solid years trying convince the public, and publishers, and retailers to take away your rights. Heck they even thought they had Sony on board. But it was a head fake! Take this article with a grain of salt because this is not just a five of sales forecasting work. These long analysis of projections are usually the number they expect the companies to BEAT. Plus they admitted that they think the main reason is price? I think among gamer's the main reason is technology, and games, and price. Point everyone loves zelda, metroid, pokemon, dragon quest, etc, but there needs to be some tech there. Not that many core gamers wanted the wiiu because of technology not being a big enough leap. Amazing Nintendo games can only do so much to pull in most core gamer's. And Sony does have way more games that are top notch, and rated. This coming from a x xbox loving fool, I will miss you master chief, nope already forgot you once I got my hands on infamous 1 and 2 on PS plus free(playing 2 a 3rd time now!). Thanks for welcoming me back to the fold Sony fans!).
For some reason I can no longer get to the Dualshock website. It sends me to a 'sign in' screen. Edit: I misread. lol I still think they're out by 2 million for the PS4 though.
My bad, I pasted the wrong url in :D is fixed now.
Looks like a pretty accurate estimate. As good as Sony is doing lately, they might sale as many as 14 mil in addition to their current 5 mil for a total of 19 mil sold by Dec 31st. And for anyone doubting this, ps2 was selling these kinda numbers during it's run. And right now, it's looking very much like it'll surpass ps2's enormous sales.
We talking financial or calendar? Calendar the numbers seem way too low, financial the numbers seem a bit high.
My prediction, 150 million ps4 by 2016
I think the disagrees didnt get the over 9,000 DBZ reference.
No way.. No console has ever shifted anywhere near that amount even 360 and ps3 combined sold that amount in 2 years hell not even in 3..
So? Records are broken and created everyday its like saying "No movie will pass 2bn in revenue because of AVATR" What about BEFORE avatars release? They were thinking the same thing back when TITANIC released
That graph is kinda strange. According to them, the PS2 never passed 90 million units.
Seems reasonable. But I'd knock off a mil or two of Xbox One.
Poor Wii U....
Sadly, from strictly a sales perspective in reference to it's competion, it'll be remembered as the dreamcast of this generation. A great console that went largely unnoticed.
Yeah now that some of the games are coming out, even I'm interested in it. New Mario and DK both look great. It's just a shame Nintendo didn't have those games ready a year ago before the newer consoles came out. I wish they'd finally give players a new Starfox and a new F-Zero. Both of those are amazing, and Nintendo just seems to have forgotten about both.
It will likely be remembered as the niche retro console indie developers embraced. It might also be remembered as the console that did better than the MS console even though everyone wanted it to fail so badly. Or maybe it'll be remembered as yet another nintendo console people wanted to call a dreamcast until nintendo dropped a buttload of good games for it and revived it. (remember 3ds?)
Predictions are like opinions - everyone can have one! (and ultimately mean nothing - the person with the best guess wins a cigar. Congratulations).
If the Xbox One releases a Kinect-less SKU and Halo 5 releases this year, I can see the XB1 easily surpassing 9 million, especially with Titanfall releasing within a few months, that'll be a system seller plus we haven't seen all the XB1 exclusives coming out this year, we know QB and Sunset Overdrive are coming and both have potential to be system sellers as well.
In the first year, if they are forced to drop kinect, a piece of kit they paid a lot of money for and invested a lot of R&D money in, then Xbox while be in a death spiral with its own company. There's a good chance that the Xbox is sold off and becomes property of someone else at that point (probably Apple or Virgin).
PS4 over 5m and it'll be over 6m when release this month in Japan. I think PS4 can do more if Sony can get them out faster. 12m is a more realistic number though.
Christ, some of you are beyond pathetic. In the above posts I've seen someone call the Xbox One a failure (even though it broke all the 360 records) & that the xbox user base is only 25-35 million, but they all bought 3-4 consoles each. Absolutely pathetic, no substance and poor fanboyism. Get out.
Sony makes losses since 10 years.. last year a loss of 5.5 Billion Dollars. 20k ppl were fired... this year they want to fire another 5k. MS could buy the whole Sony brand if they wanted to...
Sony did make a small profit one quarter last year, but then they bought a manufacturing plant.
Exactly what has that got to do with the current topic? You are deluded if you think Microsoft can buy out Sony, they would want to and may possibly afford it but will never be able to. Just fannyboy dreams and delusions.
@pornflakes. Yes but the Playstation division is actually doing rather well, which unfortunately cannot be said for the xbox division. You do realise that a lot of the shareholders of MS want them to sell off the xbox brand. I'd be more worried if I was an xbot tbh. I think 9 mill for xbone this year is very optomistic, its gonna take more than Titanfall.
Exactly right. MS investors are the ones talking about dropping Xbox. http://www.washingtonpost.c...
IMHO Wedbush will have to review their predictions again in a few months time when and IF the PS4 stock exceeds worldwide demand! But the trend are obvious! History are bound to repeat and exceed itself!
I think Microsot should redesign(reduce in size) X1.. its too f* big console..drop kinect and make it be 349$..maybe then it will have chance to reach 9M units sold...still doubt lol..me and my proper grammer :$
LOL, look at all the PS4 analysts predicting the X1 sales figures. It makes me giggle... And what happens if Sony goes under due to their estimated $1.1 billion loss this year? investors will drop like flies, stock will plummet, and their won't be any ps4 support. I don't want that to happen, I love Sony, but that is more likely to happen tha. Microsoft taking any Sony fanboys advice on this website on what the X1 *needs* to do. I plan to get a ps4, but not before I see Sony post some strong numbers, I don't want another Dreamcast!
So which investors are pressuring Sony to drop out of the console game, like the investors pressuring MS to drop out of the console market? http://www.washingtonpost.c...
That's a great article, and I hope many people read it, very eye opening. However, I under don't see how that was a counter argument to the point I was trying to make. If Sony posts the projected revenue loss, cuts will be made and support for the ps4 may vanish as they become unwilling to invest the needed resources. Time can only tell, and like I said, I REALLY hope Sony does great, I love Sony. I just also like Microsoft and like to make observations for both sides of the fence.
@Bdub2000 My bad. I'm just seeing your reply. I know my response wasn't the most direct, and required a bit of inference as to my point. The point I was making is that it is too simplistic to look at the $1.1 billion loss the parent company took and say that puts PS in danger of being sold. In fact, Sony is now more reliant on the PS brand as they look to get out of these other markets which have been costing them money. That's why they said they're investing more into the PS brand. I brought up MS, because that parent company is well off financially, but you still have this situation where, despite that, there is pressure to sell off the Xbox brand.
Around what I'd guess.
Man my bad... I didn't mean to disagree.
only 3 million Wii Us? With Kart and Smash? They must be joking...
LOL!!!!! dualshockers FTW!!
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