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Submitted by MariaHelFutura 150d ago | opinion piece

The Watch_Dogs Wii U Delay Demonstrates That Major Third-Parties Are Walking Away

Before the Wii U was launched Nintendo made the right noises about third-party support — here was a powerful system with backing from major players like EA, Activision and Ubisoft, we were told, and the innovative new controller would encourage unique, multi-screen experiences. Of course, everything is always amazing when pitched at E3, though the realities of the situation quickly dawned on us all and, actually, the perfect storm of Nintendo-exclusive content aligned with a packed third-party catalogue turned into a different kind of storm — of the public relations variety. The Wii U, throughout 2013, was caught in a maelstrom of negativity, some of it fair and based on fact but plenty that was undeserved. (Industry, Watch Dogs, Wii U)

Locknuts  +   150d ago
*Reads title* You just got that? It's clearly up to Nintendo and indies now.
wonderfulmonkeyman  +   150d ago
Correction; it's up to Nintendo, indies, a small selection of very competent third parties[Platinum, for one], and whoever Nintendo can convince to make a third party game using a license for one of their characters.[Hyrule Warriors is the first sign of this initiative.]

The Wii U[not Nintendo as a whole, though this is definitely affecting them big time], at this point, is now backed into a corner.
Their finances and the success of the 3DS will easily prevent them from having to resort to dropping out of the home console races in any way, shape, or form, but they've now got their backs to the wall.

They're the quintessential David against a Goliath made up of negative media[much of it unjustified] and two rivals that have made good names for themselves and who have taken to lashing out at each other rather than focusing on Nintendo alone.

I get the feeling that David isn't going to be kissing the dirt any time soon.[this is not the same as saying that they'll kill Sony or Microsoft, btw. Just saying they'll survive, if not thrive, in due time]

Nintendo has proven in the past that they pull out their most impressive turn-around stories when the poison mushrooms hit the Gusty's.
People who hate them, and people who want their games to jump ship and therefore doom Nintendo to a slow death, will shout to the heavens for Nintendo to call it quits and fold, but it's not going to happen that way.

Fortune favors the underdog, and right now, Nintendo is definitely the underdog.
All they need is a few bold strokes.

Viral advertisement, quick, sequential, high-profile game releases, strengthened ties with indies who are starting to emerge as stronger teams destined to become bigger third party players in the near future, and unexpected surprises like X and Bayonetta 2.[yes, Bay isn't a system seller, but it IS a surprise. Pull a few surprises in a row and heads will turn]

This is a Hero-Against-All-Odds story now, and if there's one thing Nintendo is good at, it's crafting stories where the hero conquers the odds, no matter how stacked against him they are.
And boy, do they have their fair share of heroes to save the day with...
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LOL_WUT  +   150d ago
At this point it wouldn't surprise me if the game gets cancelled for the WiiU ;)
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Dannycr  +   150d ago
There is a problem with the "Hero-Against-All-Odds story" and that is if the Hero doesn't learn anything from it's predicament and keeps doing the same things again and again because they survived.

There are plenty of lessons to learn from this current situation. It's ok if Nintendo does not want to directly compete with Microsoft and Sony and they want to offer something else, however, they must, at least, provide their userbase with on-par services to XBLA, PSN or Steam.
@ Wonder Whoa, if i wanted a novel i would have went to the library.
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MrSwankSinatra  +   150d ago
Competent third parties? lets be honest here platinum isn't even relevant, wonderful 101 was flop and bayonetta is not a system seller. the only relevant third parties still dumb enough to support wii u is Activision, Warner Bros. Interactive & Ubisoft and honestly the future of this continuing doesn't look all too bright. the only way nintendo is gonna get third party support is if they do exclusive deals like the ones they did with SEGA, Capcom or through indie support. an i hate to say that because i love my wii u.
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AsimLeonheart  +   150d ago
Your passionate speech was very... moving. O_o Man Nintendo fans are really into Nintendo. It is like Nintendo is their love and life or something. Come on man it is just a games company; not your dearly beloved fighting for his life. No need to write whole essays in support over here.
showtimefolks  +   150d ago
Nintendo never had a shot against ms or sony. Wii sold because of a Gimmick but you can't get lucky twice.

Nintendo were about 2 years to late to party with wiiu, they should have launched a wiiHD back in 2010 or 2011 but waited longer and paid the price. Also either call it wii2 or wiiHD etc, wiiu is just so Confusion to casuals

its amazing how ms did so well with xbox360 and now are struggling

Nintendo did so well with wii now they are also struggling

and a company like sony which people want you to believe is going out of business is kicking ass and taking names

I hope Nintendo can survive the disaster better known as wiiu. Next time Nintendo don't be a smart ass and get feedback from developers and publishers and make a console which isn't based on a gimmick like gamepad and actually has the tech to compete with sony and ms's offerings
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OtakuDJK1NG  +   149d ago
uh no. Nintendo console lifespan varies 5-6 years depending on initial success.
dmitrijs88  +   150d ago
Oh well, I guess it will be a tough generation for a WiiU.
midget_gem  +   149d ago
And short.
OtakuDJK1NG  +   149d ago
Nope Sega, Capcom, Disney, Namco, Atlus and Tecmo KOEI still has work on Wii U.
blastergun  +   150d ago
it only show us how incompetent and lazy those third party developers are. They simply can't program or code efficiently. I think a lot of games on ps4 or xbone will be games with poor and inefficient coding. Wii u console are getting better quality games from developer who inturn need put in more effort and thought into making game to utlise gamepad..and not relying on hardware strength.
Timesplitter14  +   150d ago
Excuse me but I think you don't know anything about AAA game programming, or the tight schedules devs are given, or the decision-making process that a company like Ubi goes through in order to decide what has to be delayed.

If devs are putting the Wii U last, it's because Wii U games don't sell nearly as much as on other consoles
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showtimefolks  +   150d ago
yeh let's blame the 3rd parties its not like nintendo consoles are historically known for not selling 3rd party games. Its 110% Nintendo's fault

they could have really stolen a huge part of the market from sony and ms yet they were lazy and thought just because wii sold that wiiu will automatically sell

where are the damn games? how could you launch a console and next have games for it going into year 2?

but let's blame 3rd party publishers for not wanting to take huge risk because the reward is so low
BosSSyndrome  +   150d ago
Yeah no kidding sherlock. If devs want to stick their greedy wangs up consumers sphincters and give the middle finger to Wii U owners with delayed, lazy, old, mediocre ports.. then im not supporting them anymore.
Watch Dogs couldve been fantastic on Wii U. But screw innovative and immersive controls, we just care about the moo-lah.
Dannycr  +   150d ago
And what about the sheer amount of great 3rd party games that these so calls Nintendo gamers NEVER buy? This is your fault for not buying the games, but it is easier to blame "lazy, old, mediocre devs"

Examples?:

Muramasa.
Sin & Punishment.
Tatsunoko Vs Capcom.
Lost Winds.
MadWorld.
Rayman.
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barabros
Monster Hunter Tri

Just to name a few.
ZainreFang  +   149d ago
I own all of those except for Lost Winds + the sequel to Rayman Origins and the Monster Hunter Tri HD remake
BosSSyndrome  +   149d ago
I DID buy some of those.
madjedi  +   150d ago
And yet nintendo released the 3ds at 250, because of the positive reception in got at e3.

Stfu with this childish nonsense every company involved in the gaming industry is here to do one thing make money. It's the reason most of the adult world goes to work, got bills need money.

And ps3/360 never got subpar ports or delayed games lol, that persecution complex the entire industry is solely out to get nintendo.

Perfect example as to why nintendo will always get shitty 3rd party support.
ape007  +   150d ago
i love the wiiu but the truth has to be said, if i were a 3rd party developer, i'd absolutely dread the wiiu, i mean even if i put time and effort programming for its architecture, i'll still be waaay behind the games built on ps4 and Xbox one and with abysmal sales, it's a Lose-Lose situation

ghosts on wiiu selling less than 1% of total sales

splinter cell blacklist wiiu(best console version) : only 50K sold

need for speed U : selling only 70K and the team dropped support because they lost money and time developing for that version
PS4isKing_82  +   150d ago
This is crazy. Even GameCube had better third party support than this. Looks like it's going to be anther n64 era where most of the games are Nintendo made and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I would gladly take a next gen Mario tennis, Mario party, or even wave race or pilotwings.
ape007  +   150d ago
N64 had good third party support man, u forgot all the turoks, duke nukems, quakes, dooms, sport games, WWF games, star wars games, mortal combats, rayman, acclaim games, DMA design games(body harvest, space station etc.), etc...

plus N64 had RARE WARE develop for it, they gave some of the best games of all time(goldeneye, banjo 1 and 2, DK64,perfect dark, diddy kong racing, jet force, blast corpse) , plus it was very powerful at the time and pushed for 4 player multiplayer which was cutting edge back then, the N64 was a legendary system, don't mention it in the same sentence with the wii or wiiu
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PS4isKing_82  +   150d ago
I'm not trying to discredit the n64. I loved it a lot. But most of the third party games it had weren't all that great plus sport games are a given. But I agree about Turok and the wrestling games. And the star wars games were also great as was beetle adventure racing. But really big third party games it lacked. As a multiplayer console tho, it was incredible.

And slightly off topic, I recently acquired a light clear blue funtastic n64 console with star fox 64 and rumble pack.
Stick89  +   149d ago
Jet Force...brb gotta go strap some remote mines to a Tribals head.
Father__Merrin  +   150d ago
wiiu is a joke console, if you Kell anyone you have a wiiu you have to quickly explain that it's a newer Wii
BoneBone  +   150d ago
It demonstrates that developers are forced to develop a very resource demanding game across more platforms than ever before because of install base and potential profit sizes. Making a game on the scale of Watch_Dogs for 5 different consoles and PC - which is 6 platforms in total - is a massive undertaking.

What this proves is Ubisoft underestimated the manpower needed to make the game for all 6 platforms and the Wii U version got the short end of the stick when it came to release time priority.
Realplaya  +   150d ago
Lets be honest Nintendo made some mistakes and they have owned and manned up to it.

But lets not kid ourselves about 3rd parties. I never buy a game 1st, 2nd or 3rd party until I see reviews. Every game that has come out for the Wii U was ported and ported badly.

The 3rd party games on the Wii U don't compare to the other systems are broken, buggy, lacking features, were from years before, no DLC, No Patches, bad framerates.
I can go on and on the worst part they are sellling these games for full price or the same price.

Now to paint a picture I work 40 to 50 hours a week and pay my own bills.

So someone please justify how I am supposed to buy those games when they clearly haven't given me a reason to do so.
wonderfulmonkeyman  +   149d ago
Thank you.
Nintendo has already owned up to their mistakes, and we, the consumers, have held them accountable.

Those of fair mind have also held third parties accountable for the kinds of games they put out on the Wii u (sales reflect this for the most part, though games like the wonderful 101 deserve more sales that they currently have) so now it is time that both third parties and apologists own up to the mistakes, too.
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saviin  +   149d ago
If ubisoft released a game with more features on the wii u than on other consoles what do you think the impact would be? Most xbox and ps owners would feel cheated and not buy it just like wii u owners do when something is left out of there game. If ubisoft jacked up the price on wii u they would have the same result as dues ex, wii u owners would feel cheated for having to pay more. I think this is the best solution to the wii u problem for 3rd parties, delay the game for the extra features, wii u still gets the game, and the other console owners keep there pride because they dont realize the features they missed out on until they've already bought it.
saviin  +   149d ago
Sorry for spelling their wrong twice
wonderfulmonkeyman  +   149d ago
Their pride shouldn't matter that much, no matter how much profit they represent.
I miss the days when the quality of a product was paramount to the profit it made. We wouldn't be seeing these half-assed excuses and mistakes from devs if there was some sort of big consequence for not doing things equally well across the board.

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