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Xbox One's eSRAM Too Small to Output Games At 1080p But Will Catch up to PS4 - Rebellion Games

Sniper Elite 3 senior producer Jean-Baptiste Bolcato talks about the challenges of developing on the Xbox One. (PS4, Sniper Elite 3, Xbox One)

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GamerXD  +   69d ago | Well said
There you have it people. X1 can barely do 1080p so quit defending X1.
Rashid Sayed  +   69d ago | Well said
You should read the title again: "But Will Catch up to PS4" He also confirms that an SDK update is incoming.

No console wins. Only gamers wins. Although the tech differences are there, I rather have excellent games for PS4, Xbox One and Wii U. Trust me, you need all three big guns to make this industry flourish.
ShugaCane  +   69d ago | Well said
But why does the 100$ more expensive hardware has to catch up with the 100$ cheaper one ? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around ? ...
iamnsuperman  +   69d ago | Well said
The question is how? The guy complains about the size being the problem and how tricks are needed to work around the issue. But like every generation the games get more complex and demanding as the years progress. The PS3 was a bit different in it was just hard to develop for (the power was there just it wasn't that simple to access and it did suffer when it came to multiplats for half of the generation).
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majiebeast  +   69d ago | Well said
It wont catch up you cant catch up in superior specs. It will run games at 1080P thats what he means the 2 will never be equal.
Sarcasm  +   69d ago | Well said
It's only a dream that it will "catch up" no amount of firmware or updates or magical fairy dust will make up the difference in GPU cores. It's simple 100% factual data! How many times do people need to see it?

PS4 GPU 1152 Cores, 18 CUs - ~HD 7870
X1 GPU 768 Cores, 12 Cus - ~HD 7790

It's like saying Nvidia could make a firmware that will make a GTX 750 as fast as a GTX 760 Ti. It's NOT going to happen!
Charybdis  +   69d ago
ram is not main reason why ps4 more powerfull, but is reason why so many xb1 games aren't in 1080p.

"we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines.

(edit)"But definitely there’s this eSRAM. PS4 has 8GB and it’s almost as fast as eSRAM [bandwidth wise] but at the same time you can go a little bit further with it, because you don’t have this slower memory. That’s also why you don’t have that many games running in 1080p, because you have to make it smaller, for what you can fit into the eSRAM with the Xbox One.”
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imt558  +   69d ago | Well said
Quote :

You should read the title again: "But Will Catch up to PS4" He also confirms that an SDK update is incoming.

Catch up how, where and when, Rashid???

Microsoft will improve, Sony will stagnate...

:rolleyes:
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rafaman  +   69d ago
You should read the entire article, no the title only, mate. There is a new sdk coming
Septic  +   69d ago
"They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines."

This is interesting. I wonder if other devs will be able to push 1080p more on the X1?
morganfell  +   69d ago | Intelligent
So he is saying that software innovations on the PS4 will remain at a standstill and the X1 will close the massive hardware performance gap with software.

Alrighty, believe that if you want...but facts are stubborn things.

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%
aiBreeze  +   69d ago | Funny
Lol @ all you haters saying the Xbox One won't catch up to the PS4... you underestimate the power of the cloud /s

*insert random darth vader cloud meme here*
imt558  +   69d ago | Funny
@rafaman

POWER GAP between Xbone and PS4 will always exist and not by a small margin.

http://www.dualshockers.com...

Here is one hell of a GIF for you :

http://i.imgur.com/zNkOp4e....
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dedicatedtogamers  +   69d ago | Well said
The "will catch up to PS4" statements are a bit puzzling. How will X1 catch up to PS4? By getting better dev tools? Okay...but PS4 will also be getting better dev tools. The idea that X1 will "catch up" or "narrow the gap" is completely devoid of any facts or reality.

And resolution is but one piece of the puzzle (though it is important and I'm glad X1 is supposedly improving in this respect). Texture assets, physics, particle effects, lighting, and of course framerate are also an issue, and X1 has proven to be inferior in these respects as well. Forza 5 showed what sort of sacrifices are necessary to make an X1 game 1080p/60fps. So, I will go ahead and agree that "resolution isn't everything"...because there are many other aspects in which the X1 is lagging.

I also love how journalists/devs like to use the phrase "PS4 is better, on paper, at least". Yeah, and in pretty much every multiplat game we've seen so far. It's 100% clear that PS4 is more powerful. Let's move on.
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hay  +   69d ago
Acutally, with reported 32MB of ESRAM memory, it'll be just enough of it for 16bits per pixel 1080p frame.

Meaning, colors might take a hit. Xbox 360 comes to mind with 10Megs of ESRAM, being barely enough to handle 720p frame(reason why most Xbox games were below sub 720p). BUT! There's ESRAM based antialiasing, which might balance some things here.
So that's the reason why Sniper Elite 3 looks like a last gen game...forced parity because of the limitations of the Xbone's hardware. Just look at the latest trailer of the game and tell me that's not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Sammy777  +   69d ago
there is nothing that can make up for 16 rops difference . Also there is nothing that can make ddr3 run at fast as gddr5. But no brainer as this is coming from gaming bolt, a garbage website
SmielmaN  +   69d ago
No we don't need three big companies. I was more than happy with Playstation and Nintendo
Sammy777  +   69d ago
also Gaming bolt
Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

like morgan pointed out
Visiblemarc  +   69d ago
Yeah...first I'll say, I love games period. I am not a fanboy of any sort...

But...this has kinda gone too far.

Xb1 is less powerful and always will be. The reason I can say this is I'm not a developer who has Microsoft glaring at them.

The machine has less GPU power, slower/split ram. Will SDK improve? Yep. Will that allow 1080, possibly....but PS4 kits will improve too. "Catch up" implies PS4 is standing still. It isn't.

This becomes really important on cross platform and lower budget titles. Just look at last gen where Ps3 had so much untapped cpu power, but it was hard to use. In many cases it never "caught up" because 3rd party studios don't have time and budget to solve these puzzles.

Like always, I'll add, that power is great and important but far from everything.

I love my Vita so damn much, but also adore my 3DS.

The only thing is, I'm tired of people pretending these machines are equal. Not because I want one to be better than the other but because I can't stand people bending reality to suit their desires.
starchild  +   69d ago
The XB1 will never catch up to the PS4. The PS4 is simply more powerful.

That said, the difference isn't quite so massive as some people here imagine. There will be great looking games on both consoles. The skills, tools and techniques of each studio will play a larger role in how each game looks than sheer hardware power will. Multiplatform games, however, will likely always tend to have advantages on the PS4 over the XB1.
mcstorm  +   69d ago
@Rashid Sayed your spot on. This fan boy stuff is just becoming deft. We know the ps4 has more power and the Wiiu has the least so it is kind of like lost gen but power dose not = greatness. Its all about the games and so far both Microsoft and Nintendo are delivering great games. Sony have some to come too so for me his means more than power as its the reason I buy console because it has the games I want not because it has more power.

Just like anything we buy in life get the on you want and go and comment about how good you fin it and stop going on about how bad you think something else is as we all like different things and all 3 have + and - sides.
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Sarcasm  +   69d ago
" the difference isn't quite so massive as some people here imagine."

It is a big difference except we have come to a point where it is harder to spot for the average joe. I can list the many different things which I'm sure you already know, but 720p vs 1080p is a 1.1m pixels difference. In the PS3 vs 360 era, the biggest difference was around 200,000.

So it just "appears" that the difference isn't big, but it is. But you're right though that it's not to say the X1 won't come up with some good looking games in its own right. But as far as outputting the highest resolution with the most effects, it's never EVER going to match the PS4.
truefan1  +   69d ago
I love the fact that ps4 fans love to debate about why the XB1 is inferior to the ps4, more than they actually brag about how great the ps4 is. I'll take my less powerful hub over "pure gaming machine" anyday. 93% of people don't care about minute differences. All the comparisons have ever so slight difference, when some could be argued look better on XB1. What I don't get is that if you all care about graphics so much, why not get the games on PC, because all the debated multiplats TR, BF4 are superior. Games on XB1 are running 1080p and really I don't even care about all that. The game that set the standard graphically is 900p. Also the Order will be 800p, so why you guys are arguing about 1080p is funny. Deny all you want but they are cutting the screen by 30%, that is not full 1080p. Is the ps4 more powerful-Yes, but so far the main games running at 1080p are indy games. I'll take my slightly less powerful console with way better games any day. Right now XB1 is the place to play new fresh games, while ps4 fans will be playing the 4th uncharted, 3rd Infamous, and the movie known as the order. Phil Spencer is leading the xbox gaming division in a much better direction this gen, while Sony is having its customers wait for everything, updates and games. I laugh when I see all the ps4 fans here, but won't be on articles about how the eraserstation is back at it. Game humbly my friends.
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CryofSilence  +   69d ago | Well said
Truefan1.

Someone should introduce you to simple math.

Ryse @ 1600 x 900 = 1.44 million pixels

The Order @ 1920 x 800 = 1.536 million pixels

You see, it isn't actually 800p; it has a 1080p horizontal pixel count (1920). They are debating whether to make it 1080 vertical pixels and trade awesome AA or go to 800 for their cinematic purposes and better AA. They may still yet change it to 1080p; the key is they actually have the option (they say the bandwidth of the 800/4xMSAA is actually higher than 1080p).
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04STIBluByU  +   69d ago
Out of curiosity? When the PS2 DOMINATED...did we get crappy games and horrible service? I didn't need Nintendo or Xbox around when I played PS2 because the games were awesome and extremely varied...I'm just saying just because one console manufacture dominates doesn't mean we are in for horrible gaming times...I gamed just fine without the Xbox or Gamecube. (FYI I didn't disagree with you...only replied to you.)
scott182  +   69d ago
I don't really care which one is more powerful, I didn't care last gen that 360 multiplats usually looked better. All I wanted were Sony's fantastic first party games, and that's still what excites me more than anything.

Sony's studios are why I want to support them, the PS4 could have the WiiU's hardware and I would still be just as optimistic.
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Pogmathoin  +   69d ago
Love this site, seen some awesome posts from Rashid in a good way about PS4, and hes the man, but one lil complimentary post about X1 getting better and you lot turn into ravenous lunatics again..... Wonderful! Be consistent people!
morganfell  +   69d ago
@04STIBluByU,

Great post. The statement "Competition is always better for the consumer" is one of the great mistruths so often quoted as fact.

As you stated, when Sony was so far in the lead they were out of sight they never stopped innovating or pushing the experience envelope.
JsonHenry  +   69d ago
Exactly what I've always said. You need all three being cut-throat and competing just like you need the PC making leaps ahead behind the scenes to make sure when your next console launch the tech has been pushed towards greatness by "PC elitists" so that you have the biggest bang for you buck at the mid-range level so your next console/middleware is as powerful as possible.
InTheZoneAC  +   69d ago
I was doing fine on ps2 when xbox/sega sucked
I was doing fine on ps1 when sega sucked
I was doing fine on snes when sega sucked

You just need good developers, who cares about underpowered competition?
Kryptix  +   69d ago
It's very doubtful the Xbox One will ever match the graphical power of the PS4 while outputting 1080p native resolution. And for every multiplatform game that runs 1080p on both consoles, there are details missing on the Xbox One version and also using shortcuts to maintain a good fps. If you think about it, we should be seeing 1080p games right in the beginning just like last gen with 720p. So far, the Xbox One is not able to do 1080p with graphical intensive games like Ryse and why is Dead Rising 3 running at 720p if it's the worst looking game as in, it doesn't look next gen at all? I only seen one game that is lower than 1080p on the PS4 and that was Battlefield 4 at 900p native, just one.

Looking at morganfell's comment, you can see which one has the most potential. There's no bottlenecks to work around on the PS4, meaning that developers will have more time to optimize games on it and make it look the best possible with the tools they presently have.

I believe more articles like these will come out till the fanboys accept it and Microsoft admits the Xbox One's weaknesses. I don't think developers need to further clarify if it's something everyone already knows and accepts.
Blacksand1  +   69d ago
X1 is a cable box, that you can play games on. That's it play games in 720p not 1080p my fios is 720p regular channels and HD channels is 1080p

PS4- Gaming first then t.v

X1- T.V first then gaming.
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johndoe11211  +   69d ago
I'm gonna say this, When a developer can make a comment like this “Yeah, I mean that’s probably why, well at least on paper, it’s a bit more powerful", it says two things to me.

One, either he is being coerced by microsoft to downplay the difference in power between the two machines or Two, he is trying to be as diplomatic as possible so as not to upset either console manufacturer. I think it's the latter.

The difference in specs of these two machines is way to big for a dev to use the term " at least on paper". Anyone with beginners knowledge in computer hardware and application will tell you that there is a significant difference in these two machines that will translate to gaming performance.

People trying to use this to show that the xbox will catch up to the ps4 is not only grasping at straws but also do not understand how devs who are developing multiplat games need to be as neutral as possible when speaking about the systems they are developing for.

No dev is going to come out and publicly say "yeah , the difference is just way to big. Graphic intensive games will always be better on the ps4". Not only will they not sell as much for both systems but they will also be jeopardizing their relationship with the console manufacturer.
ThanatosDMC  +   69d ago
The bad thing is they talk as if Sniper Elite 2 was a greatly optimized game, which it wasnt.

I really hope MS doesnt try to enforce parity for their PoS console.
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elninels  +   69d ago
@SmielmaN

Sega.....
tagan8tr  +   69d ago
@morganfell I agree I'm tired as well of the gamers win with competition argument. The console war has fragmented the Development community. As consumers we want the best deal to keep money "IN" our wallets not console makers wallet. If I have to buy two consoles just to play the games I want how am I wining as a consumer/gamer. These companys buy up all the good developers then hold them hostage making gamers pay a console ransom to play a game..
JokesOnYou  +   69d ago
"Will the process become easier over time as understanding of the hardware improves? “Definitely, yeah. They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines."

-lol, he pretty much said exactly what I've been saying for months now. Some of course are trying to twist his words as if he's trying to say X1 will "catch up" in regards to hardware specs= NO, but it will DEFINITELY do 1080p in multiplats just like ps4, as he noted the only difference is its a bit more complicated to do so. You see the elephant in the room is that neither one is as powerful as current PC's but ps supporters try to pretend ps4 will be running games at 4k or something in 2yrs NO IT WILL NOT, 1080P 60FPS IS THE CEILING FOR BOTH. So in other words he clearly explained ps4 can get there easily because its straight forward, while X1 has a higher learning curve, thus with more time the same can be done. Also the fact that ps4 will also improve is irrevalent because although ps4 will iron out technicalities that limited a game like BF4 not being 1080p, or KZ SF lacking 60fps the point is the hardware still has a fixed ceiling behind PC at 1080p 60fps, while X1 will need better tools/SDK/Direct X 11.2 etc, again Microsoft is a software company and they have a history of making great development tools but even that said the point is obviously the hardware will always still be a limit, still powerful enough for 1080p 60fps ceiling with better tools+ more time. Once again a dev speaking basic truth for HIS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH BOTH, YET FANBOYS WHO NEVER MADE A GAME, NEVER DEV'D ON A CONSOLE SAY NO DONT BELIEVE HIM BELIEVE ME. lol, pffft I don't thinks so.

In summary a experience dev with hands on has said the limit of both is 1080p 60fps for both, ps4 is easier to get there but the X1 "Will Catch up to PS4"....lol he just pissed off a lot of the n4g ps hive mind community.
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vulcanproject  +   69d ago
Not the point JokesOnYou.

Xbox One can do 1080p on any game whenever developers want it too.

It can do 60FPS on any game the developer wants it to. It can do them both together.

That shouldn't be in question.

The question and point is whether Xbox One can match PS4 with resolution, framerate AND the graphical setting quality.

It won't be able to, if the developer pushes PS4 hard.

This is the point. Developers have preferred to try and retain the same sort of visual settings a PS4 title carries, and in order to do that, scaled back the resolution to get an acceptable framerate.

This is likely to be the preferred option for developers with many multiformat titles all generation.

This is a combination of things, but even with improved SDK, the nature of Microsoft's hardware lends itself better to sub 1080p resolutions- 16 ROPs only, and 32mb of ESRAM only.

These do not prevent native 1080p, they merely make it much more difficult to do and achieve the fidelity PS4 can do at that resolution.

I believe the producer meant Xbox One can improve to run higher resolutions, but it won't be without it's downsides relative to PS4.

When the consoles were announced I said that 1600 x 900 will probably be Xbox One's optimal resolution from a dev standpoint and good software engineers will probably target as the best tradeoff between visual fidelity and performance for a slower console.

For all Crytek's failings, they are undeniably world class from a technical standpoint, and they chose that precise compromise with Ryse.
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GadgetGooch  +   69d ago
I can't believe u got so many dissagrees for supporting all three consoles...this site is full of dicks sometimes....
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maniacmayhem  +   69d ago
Wow,

I can't believe so called "gamers" on this site fighting over resolutions and framerate.

I guess this is the only advantage the PS4 has over the Xbox One? (That and the price)

I guess the focus has been shifted off of what new games each system has or what new and interesting designs or gameplay each system is bringing to the table.

It's now the resolution war which if I am not mistaken the PC one gens ago. But of course the PC crowd was always told resolutions didn't matter back then.
JokesOnYou  +   69d ago
maniacmayhem I agree with you, but I do enjoy a sensible conversation so I'm interested enough to respond to Vulcanproject:

"This is the point. Developers have preferred to try and retain the same sort of visual settings a PS4 title carries, and in order to do that, scaled back the resolution to get an acceptable framerate."

Vulcanproject, NO disrespect but you logic is terrible, PS4 has 8GB of fast ram that is very easy to use, X1 has 8GB of slower ram and 32mb of eSRam that is *more difficult to use the result is that both are capable of 1080p 60fps with damm near identical attributes but NOT EXACTLY ON PAR WITH PC= both are always limited by the inferior pc hardware specs, yet you are actually trying to imply that X1 with more difficult architecture which A 3rd party DEV SAID WILL CATCH UP DUE TO SDK= he's lying it will not catch up and your only evidence to go on is based upon launch multiplats and rushed last gen ports for a whole console gen with a lifecycle of 8-10yrs which has barely been out almost 3mo, lol Seriously?

"For all Crytek's failings, they are undeniably world class from a technical standpoint, and they chose that precise compromise with Ryse."

-uhm this is a very poor example to back up your position:

#1 I would say that I hope devs ALWAYS CHOOSE BETTER ASSETS OVER 1080P (going forward we'll see some types of games still less than 1080p and that's a good thing because it means those devs vision is being made accurately without emphasis on "predetermined specs") but the fact is if your position is that ps4 is more powerful AND X1 will NEVER catch up, then I would say "why bother" because in your own example RYSE surpasses all other 1080p 60fps games on ps4, all on less powerful hardware and without needing to hit that benchmark= makes the point of needing a "predetermined specs" irrevelant.

#2 Again why try to even suggest that a launch game is the final result of what X1 is capable of, lol anyone who has a vague understanding of history/how consoles progress knows that this is a ridiculous assumption.

#3 The point again is that ps4 is more powerful but both have a ceiling lower than what we see from current pc's, ps4 will be easier to reach that ceiling, expect X1 again as the dev said to "catch up". If you want ALL GAMES TO BE 1080P 60fps THEN BUY A PC. In a year plus you will see multiplats on both consoles hit the same specs routinely with minor differences like always for example color, hiccups, glitches, a few frame drops, a few missing pixels or lol= "a blade of grass" type of Digital Foundry over anlayzed pixel counting articles, hell I bet even a few or going to look marginally better on X1 for some unkown reason but either way NOTHING SIGNIFICANT that the avg gamer will care about.
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MarkusMcNugen  +   69d ago
lol @ all the Sony Fanboys saying we dont need competition for good games. You just go ahead and enjoy your PS4, while the rest of us will be enjoying multiple consoles and more exclusives.

I feel bad for your guys. You missed out on tons of great games that werent on a Sony platform.
morganfell  +   69d ago
Things are the way they are because Microsoft valued the living room crowd over the pure gamer. They said so themselves. They told you what they were going to do before the X1 launched. It is Microsoft with whom you should be angry. It was intentional:

http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/...

It is a little too late to backpeddle now that the hardware is out there. Some gaps software cannot bridge.

http://i.imgur.com/N3iMLE1....
4Sh0w  +   69d ago
Agreed Jokes, you once again put it all in perspective. Great post.

To say that the X1 isn't for gamers is ridiculous, the lineup itself says different and X1 selling tons of games speaks louder than any fanboy can.
Longshot28  +   69d ago
They say it will catch up to PS4's current state, but where does that leave them when PS4 makes the inevitable Updates, and Improvements?
dantesparda  +   69d ago
Lol at all the MS fanboys and their hive minds. The PS4 is alot more powerful than the X1, FACT! and i got news for ya's, the PS4's SDK improves too! So there goes that. Its funny how Sony even got MS beat in the software development department. What happened to all the talk of the supposedly impressive mono drivers or the even better stereo drivers or MS' software superiority? or DX11.1? Or how bout the cloud? Yeah, i know those dont matter anymore, only this SDK news does now, got it. New hope for you clowns to cling on to. Keep looking stupid MS fanboys, keep looking stupid
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vulcanproject  +   68d ago
I used knowledge JokesOnYou.

I'm not implying, nothing as subtle as that. I'm saying, outright, Xbox One cannot match the performance of PS4.

Especially not if two multiformats run at 1080p and 60FPS, mainly because Xbox One's hardware is particularly unsuited to higher resolutions, memory bandwidth, ESRAM size, ROPs, Fillrate performance etc all contribute to that. The more resolution you demand, the bigger the gap would appear. This is fairly well documented with PC hardware- as the game becomes more reliant on the GPU.

My evidence is based on indisputable hardware performance, both on paper, and now seen in practice. Indeed, I called this situation incredibly early going in detail, as far as saying Xbox One would share assets but at lower resolutions than PS4. I seem to recall you always maintaining there would be no gap at all.

Hows that working out for you BTW?

My example of Crytek is excellent, because they are technically world class, created the engine they built Ryse on, and Ryse was always exclusive to Xbox One.

Nobody got a better shot at making a cutting edge Xbox One game then Crytek SO FAR then, and even they chose a sub 1080p resolution.

They chose a sub 1080p resolution because for Xbox One, it is without doubt a better compromise than being bandwidth starved at 1080p as the hardware would surely be.

The software environment of Xbox One will improve, but it won't ever be able to make up for the shortcoming of the hardware on high bandwidth scenarios at high resolutions developers are ALREADY demanding.

See- that's the critical point.

You should turn your reasoning on it's head. Developers want to increase the complexity of their renderers as the generation goes on.

They ask more of the hardware, not less. Any more performance found in the SDK will go towards improving the render complexity, not constantly pumping resolution higher and higher.

You yourself said they should choose better assets over 1080p, and if more performance arrives, that's all they will do, rather than try to increase to a resolution the hardware is ill suited to.

PS4 will always maintain a performance advantage. It is fairly mind boggling to me that anyone would even TRY to claim it won't.

They seem to be the same people, JokesOnYou....that said no such gap would exist in the first place....
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dantesparda  +   68d ago
Oh well if Rebellion says so, then thats it, party over, they are the ultimate voice. NOT! its just some producers voice, not even a real tech guy's opinion. whoop-di-doo, color me unimpressed, the PS4 still kicks the Xbox One's a$$
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kryteris  +   68d ago
even if they can develop tricks, or a less need for large memory bandwidth, those scenarios are always going to be circumstantial. The PS4 has the industry standard for bandwidth, rops, and computes.

The question is which is the primary problem, ROPS, or bandwidth? You might develop an unneeded use for the extra bandwidth, but those rops will always be missing.
kakashi81  +   68d ago
MS messed up with making a derivative of the 7790, its not even as strong as the 77790 because of the lesser cu's.
Docknoss  +   68d ago
I really enjoy coming on this site and reading all these ignorant ubiquitous posts like it's going to help Sony dominate the competition. Yet it only makes me not want a PlayStation that much more. Bolcato seems more intelligently Inclined in the Know compared too you clowns spouting a bunch of Malark. So I trust Bobcat foresight into the Xbox One dropping another gear on Sony.
a_adji  +   68d ago
It can only catch up by sacrificing something else.
AndrewLB  +   68d ago
DedicatedtoGamers- yea. you obviously know more about programming, optimizing, and the internal workings of platform architecture than the head developer at rebellion games. lol. that's why you're here on N4G being a fanboy, posting from your parents basement.

If the same developer had said "while Xbone development will continue to improve, it's clear that the gap will only widen over time", you'd be hailing him as the bringer of truth and how Sony rules.

unfortunately for sony, things are so bad for them right now they had to sell off their VAIO division and are forcasting a $1.1 billion loss in 2014. if i were in the market for a big dollar purchase like a TV, news like this would sure as heck keep me away from buying a bravia.
mechlord  +   68d ago
Aww guys, just quit it. lets talk about something else, ok?

There is no catching up to do since no new hardware is going to be added to XOne. yes, an new sdk is coming, better drivers, better tools i think...

Allright. i will play along.
MS cooks up a new sdk, it decreases the gap by some percentage...then SONY cooks up a new sdk and restores the difference...see?

people thinking that MS will ever close that gap via software only are delusional. Its not like the ps4 is done and immutable and sony will let MS queeze more performance out of the X1 without doing the same! Geez, wake up! if the hardware cant do it and it wasnt designed to do so, how the hell can software alone pull this trick?
sephiroth420  +   68d ago
You are right, no console wins, pc wins, anyway it just proves it was released to early, both consoles, glad i didnt buy any at launch.
mewhy32  +   68d ago
I love how devs arent afraid to speak out about the hardware this time around. I also love how they're pushing BOTH consoles to the max and not worrying about dumbing down PS4 releases to achieve parity for lesser consoles. I've never agreed with the practice of dumbing down games because of pressure to achieve parity. Ive always thought that you should push the available hardware to the max it can do and now that's what we're seeing....finally.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   69d ago | Well said
"But Will Catch up to PS4 "

Lol, catch up how? Magic? You can't just create more power out of thin air. The X1 is simply not as powerful. Some people need to just accept that.

X1 devs will get more and more used to the X1 over time and will be able to get more out of it.....but at the same time so will PS4 devs....the gap will always be there and the most talented studios like ND will show that gap the most, just like last gen.

@Infamous Assassin

Disagrees mean nothing when stating facts. I could have 1000 disagrees but the PS4 still is, and always will be, the most powerful console ever made.
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Infamous-assassin  +   69d ago | Well said
Thank you for stating the obvious , sadly , fanboys will still disagree to your comment
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Yi-Long  +   69d ago
Clearly, you haven't read about all that untapped power MS has lined up, hidden in 'The Cloud!!!' (...mysterious music starts playing...)
PraxxtorCruel  +   69d ago
We've all known for a long time that the PS4 has more powerful hardware. It seems you're the one that needs to convince yourself and others around you. I hope you're getting paid for your troubles.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   69d ago | Well said
@Praxxxtor

" I hope you're getting paid for your troubles."

Oh yes, handsomely.

"In the form of bubbles?"

Bubbles, liquor, women, grapes, various currencies, Im ballin', it really pays off to speak the truth.

@Sarcasm ^^^

" It's simple 100% factual data! How many times do people need to see it?

PS4 GPU 1152 Cores, 18 CUs - ~HD 7870
X1 GPU 768 Cores, 12 Cus - ~HD 7790 "

Yep, those are the facts, but you have to understand some peoples mental states, they will believe something that other people see as logically and physically impossible because they desperately want the X1 to be more powerful than it is. Lack of tech knowledge and denial = recipe for disappointment.
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PraxxtorCruel  +   69d ago
@ Lukas

In the form of bubbles?
rafaman  +   69d ago
Remember the superior ps3,guys. Remember ps3 and the infinite power of the cell and look what happened
Lukas_Japonicus  +   69d ago | Well said
@rafaman

What do you mean "Look what happened".....what happened was Uncharted 1/2/3, TLOU, B2S, God Of War 3, GT5/6, Motorstorm 1/2/3, Infamous 1/2 etc etc. Where were you last gen? The PS3 had the best looking exclusives by a country mile.

Multiplats looked worse on PS3 because of the complicated architecture, multiplat devs didn't see the point in making things harder/more expensive for themselves so they just catered to the 360, but 1st party devs who were committed to using it showed the power difference, just like those same studios will do this gen.

I accidentally agreed with you, btw.
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Infamous-assassin  +   69d ago
@rafaman The cell brought us great games like last of us and uncharted etc. and did what microsoft magic sauce and cloud??? lies and more PR , Lol xbox fanboys still in denial.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   69d ago
Another thing i keep seeing which i find seriously dumb is when people say the PS4 is more powerful "on paper"......what does that even mean? It's not more powerful "on paper", it's more powerful full stop. It's more powerful INSIDE THE CONSOLE. Some devs need to stop walking on eggshells and say it like it is.
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NoLongerHereCBA  +   69d ago
Lukas_Japonicus. I know it isn't completely the same; but certain PC's are also more powerful on paper than the next-gen/current-gen (whatever you want to call it) consoles. Yet if you build one with specs a bit better than the PS4/Xbox One, the consoles would come on top due to 'coding closer to the hardware'.

Optimization and the well known "Balance" can make a very big difference. This is why people say "On paper".

This doesn't mean that the Xbox One will eventually be more "Powerful" than the PS4. But the gap might not be as big because of it.

Really curious how big of a difference: "They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines." will make. Seems great for developers and gamers eventually.
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starchild  +   69d ago
You are absolutely right about the PS4 being more powerful and the fact that such a fact will never change. I don't see many here arguing against that fact.

But you go way off into fanboy territory with this part of your comment:

"what happened was Uncharted 1/2/3, TLOU, B2S, God Of War 3, GT5/6, Motorstorm 1/2/3, Infamous 1/2 etc etc. Where were you last gen? The PS3 had the best looking exclusives by a country mile."

Some of those games are not even the best looking games in their genre. You act like all PS3 exclusives looked better than anything else by this massive amount ("a country mile") and that simply isn't true.

Naughty Dog's games looked better than anything on competing consoles for sure, but even there it wasn't by a "country mile".

And I have no idea what you were thinking adding the Motorstorm and inFamous games in there. They were unremarkable and there were multiplats that looked better. Assassin's Creed, for example, is a better looking open-world game than inFamous.

God of War 3 was very impressive, but not to the degree you are claiming. Castlevania Lords of Shadow is a multiplat and it looks pretty comparable. The PC version I would say looks better than GOW3 overall.

The Gran Turismo and Forza games also had fairly comparable graphics overall...pluses and minuses for each of them. Dirt 3, Shift 2 and Grid 2 are also up there.

None of this "by a country mile" nonsense.
parentsbasement  +   69d ago
"and always will be, the most powerful console ever made"?.......no more consoles are ever going to be made ?
thexmanone  +   69d ago
@Lukas_Japonicus

"Disagrees mean nothing when stating facts. I could have 1000 disagrees but the PS4 still is, and always will be, the most powerful console ever made. "

Have you heard of the steam box?
JsonHenry  +   69d ago
"Disagrees mean nothing when stating facts. I could have 1000 disagrees but the PS4 still is, and always will be, the most powerful console ever made."

True. Until the steam machines launch. ;)

There is no denying that the PS4 is more powerful than the current competition though. Especially since they are basically the same machines it is easier than ever to look at the white-papers and tell that. Let alone words from the actual devs who back up this fact.
Kryptix  +   69d ago
@Yi-Long

lol This is the same way Microsoft explains it to the fanboys to make it more exciting and believable:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

lol It's Insheeption.

"You just don't get it because you're not smart enough." lol
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b777conehead  +   69d ago
the ps5 will be more powerful then the ps4
BitbyDeath  +   68d ago
@thexmanone,

Steam Box isn't a console though as you can upgrade all the parts within the box.

Consoles have fixed hardware.
shuuwai  +   68d ago
Well, not hating on X1. But i believe direct X could fix some of dev problems. -_- That's only thing X1 has over the PS4. Yet X1 just needs good first party studio, good example would be Sony's Naughty Dog Studio. -_-;;
Kryptix  +   68d ago
Sorry, but DirectX has no real advantage over using OpenGL.

http://blog.wolfire.com/201...

DirectX is now easier to design for since a lot of PC developers are already used to it since it comes with Windows but OpenGL is actually more powerful. The PS3 used OpenGL and the only complaint we seen from it was from the cell processor being hard to develop for.

Throughout Windows marketing, Microsoft attacked OpenGL and made DirectX look like the better choice but what people don't know is that OpenGL held no marketing advantage which made it drown and developers were made to believe DirectX was the choice for the advanced and highly professional.

There really is nothing to be happy about that Xbox One is the only console that can use DirectX. Microsoft are just intelligent to make it look that way due to OpenGL being free so the people that designed it don't have the money to say anything.
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jackanderson1985  +   69d ago
If you read the article you'd see he says they will have it running at 1080p comfortably
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4logpc  +   69d ago
Shhhhh. This is n4g. They only read headlines.

Its gamingbolt. All they do is write a headline that's completely misleading.
Eonjay  +   68d ago
This is true. I do find it telling that the PS4 will being doing so while supporting Stereoscopic 3D. The Xbox One version will not. It is also fair to counter my argument by saying that this may only be because the Xbox One doesn't support 3D as opposed to being limited graphically.
AndrewLB  +   68d ago
Eonjay- the only way ps4 is going to do stereoscopic 3d in 1080p is if the same game can do a solid 60fps in 2d mode, because FPS are cut in half running in stereoscopic 3d. Also, i should point out that AMD graphics chips cannot do anti-aliasing while rendering stereoscopic 3d, so enjoy the jaggies.
Volkama  +   68d ago
@Andrew AMD chips can do AA on stereoscopic images. People say you don't need use any AA as merging the 2 images of a 3D effect inherently smooths jagged lines, but I prefer to use at least FXAA for some games.

It doesn't even hit performance that hard if you also enable texture copying.

@Eonjay If the game runs stereoscopic on the PS4 but not the One it does blow the notion of parity right out of the water
quaneylfc  +   69d ago
Its old news. they know that already, so leave the x1 users alone and stop reminding them.
DeathOfTheFanBoy  +   69d ago
Will the process become easier over time as understanding of the hardware improves? “Definitely, yeah. They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines. The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine.”

The PS4 is thus more of a gaming machine in its core focus. “Yeah, I mean that’s probably why, well at least on paper, it’s a bit more powerful. But I think the Xbox One is gonna catch up. But definitely there’s this eSRAM. PS4 has 8GB and it’s almost as fast as eSRAM [bandwidth wise] but at the same time you can go a little bit further with it, because you don’t have this slower memory. That’s also why you don’t have that many games running in 1080p, because you have to make it smaller, for what you can fit into the eSRAM with the Xbox One.”
Prime157  +   69d ago
It's weird seeing you quote the article and getting agrees and disagrees.
bmx_bandit  +   69d ago
Ok Guys, listen...its simple....

Look at the games for 360 and PS3 when they started.
And then look at the Games from the end of the generation.

They look better. Why? Because the SDK and graphical Libraries were updated and optimized. So....according to your logic, this WONT happen this generation?

You really think, the games and their SDKs wont improve during the generation?

And: MAYBE, just MAYBE, MS has a diffrent SDK way better than the OpenGL-Libraries of Sony....so what MAYBE happens then? Right: ONE Games will improve, while PS4 wont in that way....

Im not sayin it will, but it could....just because DirectX is different to OpenGL.
TH3BR3W  +   68d ago
You do realize that if they try to use anything but OpenGL on an amd based apu, that it's going to bottleneck the living fuck out of the apu? This has been knowledge for a long long long time. Just as if an Nvidia gpu were trying to run anything that isn't Directx it's going to bottle neck. Don't trust me go run the Heaven benchmark on either one and run it on both and you will see what I say is true.

Both Consoles are going to have to maintain all of their SDK's based off of OpenGL or framerates will plummet to a standstill with both of their current hardware specs. Not saying that some implementations of Directx can't be used by the game engines but it will not be able to run full bore Directx.

It's silly to think otherwise. It's like trying to say you can make better orange juice by using apples instead.
AndrewLB  +   68d ago
TH3BR3W- What are you smoking? Do you seriously just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're talking about? OpenGL runs substantially worse than DirectX regardless of it being rendered on an AMD or nvidia chip. both brands of GPU are bottlenecked regrdless of the rendering APU at HD resolutions, and the only way to for them to be CPU bottlenecked is to drop the resolution well below 720p.

All the proof you need. http://www.g-truc.net/post-...
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Kayant  +   69d ago
@Septic

We will have to wait and see. Misterx is claiming there will be a 1080p update around march or so for AssCerd:Black flag.

Like Sarcasm said there is no way to catch up in specs XB1 will catch up but as it does the PS4 will be pulling away as it too gets improvements. If it's a very demanding game then both will never be truly equal as long as PS4 has the better GPU and better memory setup.
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Dlacy13g  +   69d ago
@GamerXD I wont defend it because I don't need to. I quite like my xbox one am enjoying all the games I've been playing on it regardless of resolution.
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dantesparda  +   68d ago
Yeah so, thats a cool story bro, and im sure GamerXD enjoys his PS4 but it still doesnt change the fact the PS4 is the superior system with the games with the higher res and better framerates. So enjoy that
Dlacy13g  +   68d ago
@dantrsparda... right back at ya bro. What you fail to understand is I actually enjoy the overall experience of having my X1 controling everything. Many think its minor but for me (get it... for ME) its been a game changer. On top of that it has most of the games I am interested in. Uncharted is the only series from Sony I genuinely love. So down the road I am sure a PS4 will grace my TV like my PS3 eventually did.

You can cry about better specs and resolution all you want. It wont change my enjoyment of my Xbox One. End of story...time to move on junior.
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Dehnus  +   69d ago
Erm, we could already do 1080p on the 360, but granted not with much stuff going on. It all depends on how many effects you wish to have on the screen and other things like AA.

Resolution isn't the only thing that shows how capable something is, just as a total amount of "Flops" isn't either. It all comes down to the sum of these things, yes the PS4 is more capable, but to tell me to "Quit defending the X1" just so you can keep bashing it?

That shows that you just don't have enough to play on your console of choice and can only have fun when you ruin it for others. In fact it shows that you fear that other machine, as you can't shut up about it.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   69d ago
PlayStation folks still talking specs instead of playing games eh? We get it. The PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One.

Too bad it's all about the games. And right now the games are on the X1.
SasukeX16  +   69d ago
There are actually more games present on PS4.
kickerz  +   69d ago
@midnight- I was thinking the same thing. Ps4 is a little more powerful but honestly, consoles are about games. When did everyone forget this?
04STIBluByU  +   68d ago
Dude will everyone please stop with the "Right Now" statements...I married her because she has a flat stomach "Right Now"...I bought this car because it has more power than you car "Right Now"...I bought this home because the interest rate was low "Right Now"...My console of choice has more games than yours does "Right Now"...If we as humans learn from our mistakes, one of those lesson's should be that the "Right Now" isn't always the "Right Decision" as history proves things "Change." Guys I'm not saying don't be happy with your console purchase, I'm saying don't use the "Right Now" argument for games because Sony and MS have proven to us many times over the "Right Now" games don't win console wars, they hold you over for better ones down the road...
bennissimo  +   68d ago
@04STI:

But "Right Now" matters when you buy a console at launch.
BOLO  +   68d ago
And here you are commenting about "Playstation folks" not playing games...While you...Are not playing a game on the console you're defending? http://trinities.org/blog/w...
lifeisgamesok  +   69d ago
You ignored the fact that he stated "Xbox One will catch up"

The best looking game is on the Xbox One and a new SDK is about to be given to developers
ziggurcat  +   69d ago
That's a moot point because devs will improve, and there's going to be new, more optimized SDKs released for the PS4 as well.

And the "best looking game" is an opinion, not a fact.
4Sh0w  +   69d ago
You know when X1 has the best looking game because now so many ps supporters now fall back on "its a n opinion"= by omission of naming what's better they concede it's true. I remember same with Gears of War, it was for its time the best looking game, they all said "no its an opinion", then when KZ 2 hit many of the same naysayers admitted it was the best looking but KZ 2 surpassed it.....same will happen when ps4 finally exceeds Ryse graphics.
pyramidshead  +   69d ago
Is it? I'm sorry I disagree with your opinion stated as fact. :)
killzone619  +   69d ago
All the PS fanboys were saying resolution didnt matter with The order rumored to be 800p. Now its a problem if the xbox one cant pull off 1080p?

hypocrites everywhere...
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EXVirtual  +   69d ago
But the Order isn't 800p though. Whether it's 1920x1080 or 1920x800 (1080p with letter box/black bars. Also known as cinematic 1080p, used in blu ray movies), the image is still 1080p.

Anyway, no. The XBO will never catch up to the PS4.
Driver updates? The PS4 will get those too. Not to mention the on paper specs that people above have posted.
Devs getting more efficient with there tools? That will happen with the PS4 as well.
killzone619  +   69d ago
1920x800

yes, and some PS fanboys thought it was 800p and damage controlled it. I dont know what resolution the order is but the fact that it runs in letter box is already a turn off to me. Rather have full screen like every other game...
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combatcash  +   69d ago
Honestly the only real difference will be resolution this gen. It appears the xbox one will be able to provide outstanding graphics and match the ps4's visuals but it will have to be at a lower resolution. If all the the textures,lighting,physics and things that matter are on par with the ps4 then the res wont be much of an issue.
I_am_Batman  +   69d ago
That's the thing that bothers me the most with the so called "console wars". Most people that participate in those discussions about hardware power, resolution or framerates don't even have the basic knoledge that is required to have a discussion.

Even if some fanboys damage controlled a 800p resolution (that doesn't even exist) it doesn't change the fact that the Order puts out more pixels than any 720p or 900p game. Also it has the full clarity of a 1080p game because it doesn't need to be upscaled.

Do movies turn you off too? Because that 2.40:1 ratio is the way most movies are shot in.

I really hope that R@D stays with their decision of presenting the game in a cinematic ratio even though it would mean that I'd have to read a lot more of this 800p nonsense.
SasukeX16  +   69d ago
It's 1920x800 which is CINEMATIC 1080p. 1920 pixels horizontal and 800 pixels vertical like in a movie which is why there is the cinematic feel they were talking about. It's still 1080p picture but black bars on top and bottom . Which gives us a wider range of view. Nice try, though.
OsirisBlack  +   68d ago
The order is still 1080p native .....
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BallsEye  +   69d ago
Funny...
Forza 1080p
NFS 1080p
Project Spark 1080p
Fifa 1080p
NBA 1080p
Zoo Tycoon 1080p

and many many more, therefore your statement is false.
Hicken  +   69d ago
Zoo Tycoon? Really? That's what you're going with?

I mean, NONE of the games on the list are graphical showpieces in the first place. Well, not entirely true, as Forza has a few parts here and there. But as far as being TAXING? Nope, none of those games.

Start adding in any decent amount of particle physics and lighting effects, and watch everything on that list drop to 900p or lower. Or, on the other hand, keep the particles and watch the framerate slow to a crawl.

How about this, a different approach:

Gran Turismo 4
Tourist Trophy
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria
Jackass

All 1080i games on PS2, essentially 720p. Are those games as graphically impressive as what came out last generation? Are they as impressive as the ones in 720 we've seen this generation?

You think the SNES couldn't run Tetris or something similar in 1080p?

Just because a game is running at 1080p doesn't mean it's impressive.
Master-H  +   69d ago
ZOo Tycoon lmao
BallsEye  +   69d ago
@hicken
Can you even read with understanding? Comments like yours proove how dumb the community around here is. Guy said xbox one cant do 1080p. Doesnt matter if its forza zoo tycoon or damn mario but if it runs in 1080p its 1080p so machine is capable of outputing such res. Now I see you said 1080p doesnt make a game impressive. Funny you said that...i remember very well how you b'tched Ryse for being 900p and therefore not imoressive eventho it is best looking next gen game. But hey!! No one around here complain about 800p 30fps The Order. And dont even get me started its not 800p. Dev just confirmed it in a tweet saying they had to do it to get 4xmsaa. Typical, double standards.
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ziggurcat  +   69d ago
@ ballseye:

the order is not 800p. it's been explained countless times why it's not 800p.

post the tweet to prove a dev working on the game said it's "800p" because you, and everyone else beating the 800p drum seem to be getting confused with aspect ratio vs. image resolution.
andrewsqual  +   69d ago
Says the guys who, outside of Sniper Elite, made some of the most horrendous clunky games ever with awful performance throughout.
Anyone up for a game of Rogue Warrior lol?
christocolus  +   69d ago
@gamer xd

Is that all you took out from that long article? Or your just being naive..It actually says a lot more than that..you should read on.

Ontopic: The xbx one imo is a bit less powerful than the ps4 but it doesnt stop devs from creating great games on it, ms will make sure they push out enough content as sony did with the ps3 and in the end people wont bother about fps, res and all that.each console will be defined by its exclusive content.ms knows this and they hwve started on that front.

Xbox fans should actually be happy about this news. It means things will actually get better and devs will find it alot easier to code for the xbx one qlot zooner than they thought. The talk about new sdks should be a welcome relief to many devs,it means updated drivers ,software and easier and faster methods for maximizing the xbx ones architecture.this could result in better looking xbx one games with shorter development cycles..the games will get alot better i.e quantum break, halo5,forza horizon2, gears of war,rare ips, sunset overdrive, crackdown,phantum dust etc. Its all good to see ms take this initiative this soon.i also expect a price drop for the current model(kinect and bd drive included)to $399 or less before the end of the year(gamespot recently confirmed this from a new source). Its all good. Gamers get to enjoy it all.
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MorePowerOfGreen  +   69d ago
He's telling you why LMAO
incredibleMULK  +   69d ago
Ha ha Xbox is lame. Why even buy the new one the 360 does 720p? Let's waste $500 bux. Yay.
Edsword  +   69d ago
I am surprised we are still talking about this. The PS4 is more powerful hardware period. I know this dev thinks the XB1 will catch up, but catch up to what? XB1 2nd generation games will catch PS4 1st gen, that is most likely because the PS4 will be getting updated SDKs as well. Graphics are not the end all of systems, but the PS4 graphics, ease of development, and price point currently lead me to believe it will do slightly better than the XB1 this gen.
Hercules189  +   69d ago
If PS4 is so powerful than Driveclub should be 60fps with no problem. If Ps4 is so powerful Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive will look terrible compared to the exclusive on PS4, heres a hint: they dont.
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DoubleM70  +   69d ago
In your logic that stop me from playing games on the Xbox1? You do know everything is upscaled to 1080P and it looks gorgeous.
assdan  +   69d ago
I think the ps4's performance will be about double that of the xbox one for the next year or so. I think that devs will get it to about 70-80% the performance of the ps4 in a year or so once they figure out how to properly use the eSRAM. Then 32mb will eventually get too difficult to use, and it will drop back down to the same ratio as it is right now. I think that 95% of games are going to look better on the ps4 this gen, and there will be a few sports games that look the same. But anything that actually takes some horsepower, the ps4 will always win. That being said, it's a little sad that devs need to be doing all of these hat tricks to get a more expensive machine to get even close to the ps4's performance. I really don't understand what ms did this gen to make such a poorly built console. They somehow made a bigger, heavier, more power hungry, and more expensive device than the ps4, and it still has half the performance. I'm pretty sure the two machines cost almost the same to make when excluding the kinnect sensor, don't know what they did wrong.
Mr Pumblechook  +   69d ago
"The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine."

It's odd how this issue divides gamers. Some people prefer a console designed to be a TV focused media hub, some people want a console that is focused on games. I know what I prefer!
Mister_Dawg  +   69d ago
Tool. That's just what it says. Not.
cannon8800  +   69d ago
People need to understand that the xbox one is always gonna be weaker than the ps4. It's not like it will magically grow 384 extra stream processors and double its ram speed be able to compete head to head against the ps4. Mature people will understand and accept this reality but for prepubescent children it will be questionable.
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Tedakin  +   69d ago
Yeah this wasn't exactly a negative article. He said it will catch up to PS4 once they figure out tricks and updates come to the system. And let's not go crazy about 1080p 60fps. NONE of the big exclusives on PS4 are 1080p 60fps. Not even DRIVE CLUB!
edonus  +   68d ago
Smells like a barn on this thread.

And no they didnt say the X1 can barely do 1080p, stop making stuff up. OMG then you get over 100 agrees with some BS.

This is the main point of the article. And shows why there is a stampede on this thread.

"Will the process become easier over time as understanding of the hardware improves? “Definitely, yeah. They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines."

Done that is all. Nothing else to see here.
bennissimo  +   68d ago
Except for the fact that the X1 will have great exclusive games, just like the PS4.

Defense of a console should begin and end with the quality of games released on that console.
Mister_Dawg  +   68d ago
Steady on there fella.
Common sense is frowned upon in our modern age :-)
JoseV76  +   68d ago
Sony ponies so far up songs ass it ain't even funny anymore !
TAURUS-555  +   68d ago
the console is over.

ppl now know xbox1 cant play 1080p games...if i had an xbox1 i would sell it right now cuz of it.

its a deal breaker ¡¡¡
Painkillr  +   68d ago
You obviously didnt read the article...the dev said, "They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One." the developer says comfortable, you say barely....gee, i wonder who is right.
corvusmd  +   68d ago
....you didn't read the article at all did you? First of all, as gamers, not being able to do 1080p meaning I should stop "defending" XB1 is ridiculous. Gamers play games...if there are good games on XB1, we should play them. XB1 CAN do 1080p, and it will get better with time....even when it "can't" the games looks just as good and sometimes better than games that are 1080p. There isn't a SINGLE game on XB1 that looks bad, let's stop pretending that we are comparing a high end PC to a gameboy...the differences are not nearly that dramatic, and if no one told you which version is which...you couldn't tell. In fact there are cases where the XB1 version looks better because the lower res version allows for better textures, smoother gameplay, and more vibrant colors (i.e. COD/BF4/TR)
OsirisBlack  +   68d ago
Wait what? TR BF4 and COD on PS4 all trounce the XB1 versions graphically. I really cannot believe you would even post something like that. I have both system so its not a sony omg sony thing its a wtf are you talking about thing. Of the 3 games you mentioned TR looks to have higher quality textures on the PS4 as compared to the XB1.......
gamern4g  +   68d ago
Well said mate!
Milruka  +   68d ago
Both systems barely do 1080, while I'm here pumping 60fps at 4k on my desktop.
Smootherkuzz  +   68d ago
The article said it can do 1080p @ 60 fps but programming is harder then Sony this time around for MS and MS and Sony is working with the developers. It said that Xbox One is a media hub plus. Like I have said both consoles are beasts. There is no losers here. So much early bad untrue news is amazing. For people to belive that MS would release a gaming system that would not be capable of 1080@ 60fps is just crazy. Now Sony maybe easier to program for which makes a lot sense that's a givin. The article states that the two consoles are very close which make sense.
Artemidorus  +   68d ago
It will play catch up, learn to read.
Artemidorus  +   65d ago
Ill educated.
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   69d ago
Performance update incoming...
MightyNoX  +   69d ago | Funny
It all makes sense now...all they needed to do was download more RAM from the server.
Master-H  +   69d ago
Stop degrading it buy calling it server, it's teh Clowd.
GamersHeaven  +   69d ago
Pretty much what he is saying ESRAM is not enough even though they will get better use out of it in the future it will always be behind the PS4.
jairusmonillas  +   69d ago
It have no chance on catching up, by the time x1 tries to catch up ps4 goes up to another level of graphics lol.
bleedsoe9mm  +   69d ago
"They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines "
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Gunstar75  +   69d ago
Only on N4sonyfanboysG can people disagree with a direct quote....

LOL !
killzone619  +   69d ago
yes its quite pathetic really....
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jessupj  +   68d ago
Forgive me. I didn't realise we had to agree with every single thing an internet article states.

MS fanboy logic... and you have the audacity to mention sony fanboys smh.
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Gunstar75  +   68d ago
@jessupj

If you can't see the stupidity of disagreeing with a quote, then you yourself are stupid. It's a quote....

And I am not a fanboy puddin' ....though on this site it's hard not to align yourself with the underdog when faced with hypocrisy and bitter vitriol.
otherZinc  +   69d ago
Forza 5; Exclusive to XBOX ONE Runs:
1080p "Native" at a Blistering 60fps!

See Digital Foundry for video proof.
Fishy Fingers  +   69d ago
Ironicly, even the developers game, Sniper Elite 3 runs at 1080p. Selective headline, as per usual.
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masonmcglasson  +   68d ago
Speaking of Sniper Elite 3... According to the trailer... The entrace wound pretty much explode the persons face but when the bullet exists... there is nothing...

In real life the exit wound should and usually is bigger than the entrace wound. Of course this depends on ammo used... but most ammo makes a smaller entrace wound than exit wound.
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DanielGearSolid  +   69d ago
"Blistering 60fps"

What are you a PR buzzword guy
DanielGearSolid  +   69d ago
Actually I just looked at your comment history... Just a plain old fanboy
otherZinc  +   69d ago
@DanielGearSolid,

What I mean by "Blistering 60fps" is:

I drive "cockpit view", "front bumper view", or "hood view".

So, one time I was driving on The Indianapolis Motor Speedway track,ddriving 4 wide, going 190mph, on a straight away, panned the cars on both sides of me, the game never stuttered, it was a rush! Thecars looked so good, the track, it was one of the best gaming moments ever for me.

That's what I mean, when I say "Blistering 60fps".
hay  +   69d ago
Means hyperbolized description of solid 60fps. Next-gen goodness to be honest.
Comparing to GT6 while amazing game, suffered form terrible hickups at the end-game literally freezing for seconds. Seventh gen apparently took too much time to end.
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andrewsqual  +   69d ago
@otherZinc So like Gran Turismo 6 then but without the day night cycles and dynamic shadow effects? Not a game worth bringing up to showcase a console that is supposed to have a 7 year (tough) life ahead of it mate.

Didn't Shadow of the Colossus use Dynamic Range Lightning on the PS2 9 years ago? You NEED to stop using meaningless facts to get whatever it is you are trying to convey across because it isn't working.
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KonsoruMasuta  +   69d ago
Sure, after being massively downgraded from what was previously shown before the game was released.
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Minato-Namikaze  +   69d ago
With that pre-baked lighting, and other severely toned down graphics effects, and no weather system.
otherZinc  +   69d ago
If you read about Turn 10, they use "Dynamic Range Lighting", look it up.
slivery  +   69d ago | Well said
@otherZinc

Is that supposed to make it better.. Dynamic Range Lighting is so old now, as old as Counter Strike and Half Life 2. Nothing special about it anymore especially not now, let alone something to talk about.

No doubt it did use Dynamic Range Lighting, tons of games use Dynamic Range Lighting, still doesn't change the fact it used pre-baked lighting and not realtime Global Illumination. Dynamic Range Lighting has nothing to do with being realtime.

Driveclub is the first racing game to ever use realtime dynamic global illumination. It also uses realtime shadowing and realtime weather.

Before you say, oh you're wrong. Games like Grid 2 and NFS have used it on PC. Well no, that isn't case because if you knew a little about developing in an engine, unity for example, you'd know there are differnt types of Global Illumination as in static/baked Global Illumination.

If the difference doesn't make sense to you which I don't expect it to for someone who doens't care to learn about it, look at it this way, really simple way of explaining it...

Baked Global Illumination would be like a pre rendered cut scene in a game, usually cut scenes look way better than the actual game and the reason is because it is pre-computed/rendered, which in simpler terms means it isn't using really any reasources from the hardware the game is running on and acts more like a video or a picture instead. Realtime Global Illumination is actually just the opposite in that it is being done in realtime on the system it is running the game on, not pre computed and then baked into the game later. It is using the hardware to run it in the game realtime, it wasn't pre-computed and baked in to free up resources like Forza 5's was.

I promise you, if Forza 5 had half of what Driveclub had, it wouldn't be running at 1080p or even 60fps.. The reason Forza 5 can is simply because they cut so many reasource driven effects from the game just to get it to run at 1080p, 60fps.. There isn't anything that complex about Forza 5 compared to other racing games like Driveclub or Project Cars, even GT does more than the Forza series..

So how is it even something to brag about having to cut back on something just to get better performance? It isn't like we stictly play 1080p, 60fps.. Wow looking at a resolution and framerates sure are fun and impressive.

Turn 10 knew exactly what they are doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had a big hand in this either because if Forza 5 did have more in it and it ran at a lower resolution and less frames.. Oh boy, the Xbox One wouldn't have much going for it then would it? It is already taking enough flack from so many multiplat games already showing significant differences on PS4.

Would I want a better game, that does more, running slightly lower frames or a semi decent game that runs 30fps more while lacking so much compared to the other.

I don't know about you but I can sacrifice those frames for more content and still running at 1080p.

If you prefer Forza 5 over other racing games that is completely fine, I just can't stand people who choose to ignore reality and act as if Forza 5 is doing the most complex things a racing game has ever done.

Plain and simple Forza 5 runs at 1080p, 60fps for a reason. If it had weather, realtime Global Illumination and realtime shadowing.. It would not be running at 1080p, 60fps on the Xbox One.
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Hicken  +   69d ago
Now let's see how many sacrifices they need to make in the next game.
doolin_dalton  +   68d ago
I know you don't want to hear it, but it will only get better from here. Look at Forza 2, then look at Forza 4. They look like they are from different generations, despite being on the same hardware.

PS fans like you are falling all over themselves trying to downplay Forza 5's performance because Forza 5 is doing (as a launch title) what PS fans have been trying to tell us is impossible on Xbox One. When the next Forza comes out, it will almost certainly redefine the genre just as Forza 3 & 4 did.

Suddenly, racing games are the least graphically intensive games around. That's why Forza 5 is 1080p/60fps. That's what PS fans tell themselves to help them sleep better at night. If that's the case, any exclusive racer on PS4 better be 1080p/60fps also. Of course, when a certain title is announced to be just 30 fps, the excuse makers will be out in full force.

"Well, it looks so good we don't need 60fps". Style over substance I guess.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   69d ago
Yeah it runs at 1080p 60fps, but at the expense of a huge graphical downgrade that MS didn't tell anyone about. They showed the game running at E3 on a PC looking amazing, then the game was released and looked nothing like it.
n4gamingm  +   69d ago
Yes it was downgraded but it stayed 60fps which is important for a racing Sim and a solid 60fps at that. Drive club at the moment is at 30fps with amazing visual let's see if they can hit 60fps.
doolin_dalton  +   68d ago
Huge graphical downgrade?

Forza 5's supposed downgrade is like downgrading a filet mignon to a top sirloin. It's still by far the best looking racer ever made, and it's better than a 30fps Mcdonalds hamburger any day.

It will be very interesting to see if a developer can produce a PS4 racer at 1080p/60fps like Forza 5. One thing's for sure though - if a PS4 exclusive racer is 30fps, you PS fans will defend it to death by saying how good it looks, or that it rains and turns dark. Meanwhile Forza, at 60fps, gives gamers the necessary physics and control to play an accurate simulation. Of course people will defend PS4's better looking clouds, because as we all know graphics are far more important than gameplay.

Again, PS fans are DESPERATE to downplay Forza 5 because it does (as a launch title) what you PS fans have been telling us is impossible on Xbox One.
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deadie  +   68d ago
@doolin_dalton:

Forza 5 isnt that impressive. Forza looks & feel like a very ordinary racer.
It will be very interesting to see how Forza compares both graphically & gameplay wise with Driveclub when it releases.
From what ive seen it seems Evolution Studios will force Turn 10 and even Polyphony Digital to step up their game.

This is my opinion of course. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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DigitalRaptor  +   69d ago
Very good otherZinc.

Now let's see a 1080p/60fps racer actually WORTHY of the next-gen label.
GamingNerd013  +   69d ago
How many cuts u think it had to able 4 it 2 be 1080P at 60fps? Let's c first the e3 version was a lot better but they downgraded it to able to run well on X1. Then they cut the number of cars tracks no weathers no day and night and many features r missing as well. At most it's really a forza 2.5 next gen game that is easily the worst In the series by that I mean even forza 2 wich was a launch title is better then FM5 that has more cars and more content all together and so really FM5 is basically a 2.5 game. C that's the problem with the X1 is it needs sacrifices in order 4 it to be 1080P at 60fps unlike PS4 doesn't need any sacrifices 4 it to be 1080P. Anyway I know down the road more games will be 1080p at 60fps but not as fine tuned as it would be on PS4.
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impet25  +   69d ago
It might be 1080p60fps but they sacrificed alot to get it there. I love the game but it is ugly graphically. Jaggies everywhere, my biggest complaint is the slow ass load times.
TAURUS-555  +   68d ago
blistering 60fps ...HAHAHA

i bet that "forza5 1080p claim" is a lie.

RIP xbox1
cannon8800  +   68d ago
So what if Forza runs at 60fps. Do you even know how much they had to sacrifice to make it run at that resolution and frame rate? Do you remember the "amazing" footage that microsoft showed during the reveal and how it doesn't even resemble anything with the final version of the game? Sure buddy, anything can run at 1080p and 60fps if you sacrifice enough.
Smootherkuzz  +   68d ago
It is not uncommon to reduce most console games from pc versions. This has been done since day one of video games. That's why there's is pc gaming fans. Pc still able to have more and faster memory, far better GPU and hard drive space. Consoles offer eazy use for the user.
cannon8800  +   68d ago
@Smootherkuzz

I know that but it just isn't nice when a company shows footage of a game and then not tell the consumers that the actual game that they are going to purchase isn't going to look like that.
nyobzoo  +   69d ago
So how would a 7770 ever catch up to a 7850?

How would 32MB of eSRAM ever catch up to 8GB GDDR5?

It won't
n4gamingm  +   69d ago
Optimization is very important that's the one difference with PC and console, I'm not saying Xbox will surpass ps4 but the graphics will get better in its own right and so will the ps4. Then we have a tech battle with directx and open GL which believe it or not will matter.
alexkoepp  +   69d ago
Tiled resources dx 11.2 and an additional 8GB DDR3 RAM

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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pyramidshead  +   69d ago
The PS4 is capable of tiled resources as well btw. Just not the DX 11.2 way. They're called something different: Partial resident textures. Therefore the PS4 could easily utilise this technique and keep the gap.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
This dude explains it well too.
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bornsinner  +   69d ago
i think this dev like most devs are finding it difficult to utilize esram properly, just purely a design flaw, can't believe ms didnt see this comming. i know games can run at 1080p 60fps on xbone but obviously its too difficult to do
4logpc  +   69d ago
Considering the devs stated they currently have it running in 1080p...id say you are wrong.
DigitalRaptor  +   69d ago
It's because when they designed the hardware, it was more geared towards a multimedia entertainment box, not a cutting edge gaming machine, and they thought people just wouldn't care. just like they thought people wouldn't care about DRM and other stuff.
Whitey2k  +   69d ago
Y cant devs admit that x1 cant catch up to ps4 a new sdk wont help the fact that it still has low cu less shaders less esram it can do 1080p but less effects to achieve it
True_Samurai  +   69d ago
Oh I'm sorry we didn't realize that you were a developer and have received a Dev kit
dragonopt1  +   69d ago
"The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine.”
BluP  +   69d ago
Which is just one more reason why I greatly prefer PS4.
Smootherkuzz  +   68d ago
Just gaming machine? What do XBOX ONE do that PS can't do? Make a list and post it here.
TheUberAsian  +   69d ago
Catch up how? On the Xbox Two?
DanielGearSolid  +   69d ago
I definitely believe the X1 will improve performance over time, but why would anyone think the Ps4 would remain stagnant?

@Bx81

For the X1 to catch up, wouldnt that imply the Ps4 isnt progressing, or atleast progressing at a snails pace
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BX81  +   69d ago
No one said the ps4 would remain at a stand still. Where did you read that? Please don't say the fanboys. You can't believe what they say.
bmx_bandit  +   69d ago
But you do know, that ONE is different to PS4 according to OpenGL and MS-DirectX? So what makes your sure, they will improve in the SAME way????
n4gamingm  +   69d ago
One smart person lol there a big deference between the two for sure I'm excited.
BakPAin  +   69d ago
Or it could just mean that devs will be able to get games running at 1080p more consistently!
BX81  +   69d ago
It can catch up in terms of more games running at 60 fps and 1080p. That's how I took it anyway. Obviously its not gonna match the ps4 hardware but devs can get better at utilizing it. That doesn't mean the ps4 is gonna sit still. I expect the devs to push it as well.
BX81  +   69d ago
And the trolls come out from under their bridges.
Gaf user DieH@rd summed it up pretty well.
"It wont. Just look how Forza achieved 1080p60. Same will continue to happen with other Xbone games, assets will have to be downsized.

No amount of SDK tweaking will speed up weaker Xbone GPU or enable developers to use more than 32MB of fast framebuffer."
4logpc  +   69d ago
Its funny how you can see which people read just the headline. If anyone says the game cant run in 1080p, I suggest reading the article and not just the headline.
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Holeran  +   69d ago
Problem is while they are playing catch up, people for Sony products are going to really start to use the GPU compute functions and spread the gap in the 2 machines again.
IIC0mPLeXII  +   69d ago
We lose Pandemic, Lucas Arts, and THQ. All with games that sold just didn't sell billions. How the hell is Rebellion still around? AvP 2010 was terrible, and they also developed Rogue Warrior. Seriously close the doors on this studio. The last thing they released good was the first AvP.
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bmx_bandit  +   69d ago
Im sure they made better games then you did.
IIC0mPLeXII  +   69d ago
Because I want to play a better game than Rogue Warrior I should develop my own games.

You are a genious.

Seriously, you are.
gigoran  +   69d ago
Taking an awesome character from an awesome comic and making the wish of the comic readers come true... Oh those mean guys!

Wait, I mean "that was nice of them". Too bad people like you hate on things you've never played just so they can be one of the sheep and be like everyone else.
IIC0mPLeXII  +   69d ago
If you played Rogue Warrior in the slightest and call it a dream come true, your opinion is not worth anything. The game was terrible and Rebellion will continue to make games that are sub par and budget titles. Check the track record. And I played the game.

Did I miss something, when was this a comic?
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Gamer-40  +   69d ago
Ps4 the most powerful console ever made. True.
Ps Vita the most powerful handheld game console ever made. True.
And? No offense, i like Ps brand, but the AAA exklusive games very important, and unique game design.

Their days the multiplatform games the most successful ones from all viewpoints. Currently of the machines (Ps4/X1) absolutely not a strong in the exclusive titles. Nobody knows the future certainly, only though makes guesses.
MightyNoX  +   69d ago
Very good. Very good. No?

But how it (X1) be better than it(Ps4), please explain.
Gamer-40  +   67d ago
X1 not better console than Ps4, but the numbers do not interest me. Only a games, AAA games and AAA game design. Multiplatform title or not.

Games waited for me:

The Witcher 3.
Titanfall.
The Order 1886.

Edit.

You though only (once again) only a Ps4 you wait for games, you talk to me because of this steadily.
I hope so you are not pride f*gg*t?! Because I hate them child. PS fan or not.
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rafaman  +   69d ago
I wonder where is this imense power of play 4,since it doesn't have anything comparable to ryse...

Maybe this year we will see, but so far, it still needs to proof
Lukas_Japonicus  +   69d ago
"I wonder where is this imense power of play 4,since it doesn't have anything comparable to ryse... "

You do realise Ryse runs at 900p, has a framerate that averages in the mid-high 20's and dips into the teens, right?

And you do realise that Killzone SF not only has better lighting, textures, shadows, particles, tessellation and DOF, but it also runs at 1080p and 30-60fps?

And you do realise that almost all multiplats look and run better on PS4, right?

The power is blatantly obvious to anyone who bothers to do some research into each consoles best looking game. Killzone is a more demanding game that runs at a higher framerate and higher res than Ryse....because the PS4 is more powerful. Simple. It's like you people have your hands over your eyes and ears.
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gigoran  +   69d ago
Do you know how I know you are a xbone fanboy? Cause you think Ryse is something to gloat about hahahahahahahaha
GamingNerd013  +   69d ago
Lol ur to funny yo prove u say will sir. Killzone SF is already a prove that is way better then ryse in every way and all of 3rd party games look better on PS4 as well. Really don't comment anything stupid again here's a hint 4 people think before typing with whatever ur going to type.
windblowsagain  +   69d ago
Morganfell's data is correct.

It is not possible for the X1 to catch up.

It is possible for them to improve their fps, but they are now competing with themselves.
MikeCash  +   69d ago
They have the game running in 1080p even without the new sdk which will be released in the future. So the xbox one can do 1080p just like the ps4 the only thing is that is just too complex to develop since the eSRAM is small. But I knew the n4g ps fanboys were going to damage control this post.
windblowsagain  +   69d ago
Mike those are the cold hard facts.

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

That is hardware.

Software wise, both machines will improve. But the X1 will never catch up. It's NOT POSSIBLE.
DigitalRaptor  +   69d ago
Yep, they think Microsoft is Jesus - their saviour. But it will not catch up. It is not in the realm of possibility.

But hey, that's what happens when you purposely design a console to cater to "broad entertainment" rather than constructing a dedicated gaming machine: http://www.gengame.net/2013...
Dehnus  +   69d ago
HEre wego again, thanks alot whomever posted that all these months ago.

Things are NOT that simple. There are others things to a console than just the raw numbers. There are bottlenecks (there are always bottlenecks, a system without them doesn't exist as there are always some components slower or holding something back).

I am not saying the PS4 isn't more capable but an the "ACE" number you fence with, is not magically going to make the machine 400% faster NO matter HOW MANY TIMES! you state it.

If that was teh case the Pentium 4 would have WHOOPED The AMD ATHLON in speed! As it's Pipelines where ALOT longer than the Athlon's.

ROPS the same thing. A rop is a Rasteriser that is more concerning fillrate. With AMD hardware they usually come in terms of 16. Sony's hardware didn't need 32 ROPS, but they probably needed more than 16. Therefore it has 32.

MS probably has enough with 16, upping it to 32 would have been a waste!
jacksjus  +   69d ago
Common sense says the developers will get more output out of the XOne then where it stands today, but to say that it will catch the PS4 is unrealistic because obviously the developers will get more out of the PS4 then where it stands today as well.
Yuri_Fan  +   69d ago
Yeah A company that hasn't made any worth while games in years says it can't reach 1080p, good one.
Qwagy UK  +   69d ago
I've just spilt water over my PS4 and it no longer works, there you go Xbox you have now caught up!
Sammy777  +   69d ago
people living in quandary about parity. Not happening sorry
Masterh0ppa  +   69d ago
If I want graphics I turn on my pc. If I want enjoyment out of a console I turn on my xbox one.. ps 4 only for exclusives.. Just cause the xbox one has so much more to offer.
incredibleMULK  +   69d ago
Like??.....
jay2  +   69d ago
Oh it'll catch up to launch titles and maybe first gen ps4 games but that's it.
Stoppokingme  +   69d ago
Bring on the SDK I say, nobody wants a machine held back by Kinect and other useless features, free up the resources so we can start seeing games @ 1080/60.

And the headline is BS. The guy clearly states that his studios title(s) will run at 1080p, but you can always trust an armchair editor to twist the words out of context.
TheKayle1  +   69d ago
"Now it seems like everything has reversed but it doesn’t mean it’s far less powerful"

“Definitely, yeah. They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines. The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine.”

"“Yeah, I mean that’s probably why, well at least on paper, it’s a bit more powerful. But I think the Xbox One is gonna catch up"

the problem of the resolution will vanish...obv

the ps4 will have better graphics? ..yeah i think it will have

the ps4 this gen will have more exclusives and games? ..no i think absolutely not i think that this is the turning point ...microsoft know they have the less powerfull machine..and for this reason they will push with games ...that is the main reson why ppl buy consoles...

but if ur problem is the resolution ..dont worry ....both console in some months when devs will start to use in the right way ..tiled texturing ecc ecc..will show games just at 1080p or close to that....(BOTH CONSOLE)

the gen is jsut started...and really if u think that the gen is already end ahahah 1 month after the launch :( well ..u preparing urself for an bad awakening
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AnteCash  +   69d ago
Im just here to watch.
nohopeinc  +   69d ago
Same here. The amount of time wasted arguing over what console is "da bestez guyz" is just insane. Play whatever makes you happy.
Dubaman  +   68d ago
Im pretty sure a lot of people on N4G spend more time defending a console and bashing everything else, more than they play games. The self proclaimed "Mature Hardcore" lol
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