VideoGamer: "Konami’s full-price demo is an exploitation of fan affection, and could set an alarming precedent."
2 hour completion time + 39.99 is = Fail....nude said!
Nude? Don't even correct it. Stick to your guns.
Lmao! My spell check changed nuff to nude and I didn't even know until I got your reply notification....The for the heads up!
Well good thing it will be plenty over 2 hours worth of play time when you include the side missions and exclusive ones. Not to mention being able to tackle them in multiple ways meaning >1 play through to experience it all. Also I wasn't aware the only way to play it was to buy it day one physical for next gen. Didn't realize there aren't any other versions or ways to gain access to the game (renting, trading, waiting for price drop, etc...). /s
So true. I don't know what people don't get about this. The game is only 20-30 on psn and it has phenomenal replay value. I have no complaints about it. It's worth the money.
I agree with you because you are correct. It is just a shame the most vocal group are the group that is complaining about the cost to length ratio. Don't buy it, that is all you have to do. Have you no self control? Minecraft literally has no end so are we to believe all you complaining would pay an infinite amount of money for it?
2 to 5 hour game at 20 dollars, seems about reasonable if people are ok with Journey, Flower, Walking Dead, and other popular 15 to 20 dollar titles. People getting so stuck up over the 40 dollar version that they forget it will be available for 20 dollars. Don't get it if you decide, but realize there is a HALF OFF option that is just as easily accessible.
To add to that I would also say it will be a very high quality game on a new engine that will blow away any other game that cost the same or similar new. I expect a to spend atleast 2 hours just taking it all in and marveling at the insane amount of detail.
If you want a filet for dinner but it's too expensive you can still buy a skirt steak. It's still a steak, right! The fact is anybody who has a next gen system is going to want it to take advantage of the enormous power difference. Sure, you could make the argument that it's only $30 digital but A) you then lose all resale value and B) a lot of people still prefer physical copies. But regardless of that, it's the precedent that's being set that is troubling. Ground Zeroes, for all intents and purposes, is a demo with a few side missions. Charging $30-40 for a demo is just wrong.
Last time I checked, I believe Flower was only $5 if that. Far from your said $20-$40.
I wonder, if Microsoft would do this with Halo, what would you say about Microsoft ? ........ Your first though .... There is your answer! I'm buying Groung Zeroes anyway, but this is the first and last time I let them take advantage of me this way.
if i.buy the digital version for my ps4 do i get the extra.content???
Hey BiggCMan its not available for $20 its available for $30 digi and $40 disc. Flower was a $10 game at launch and Journey was $15 or 20 can't remember, but they weren't 30 or 40. Defending this blantant rip off of the series fans is what is ruining this industry.
been reading naughty mags before posting eh eh lol :P messing anyways im going to wait till it drops to £10 before i play it as much as i like mgs 2 hours story isnt worth £30 imo
It's not just 2 hours. It's also has five side ops. I'm gonna be pissed unless I they are all an hour each at least (I'm highly doubting that). The biggest reason I can't justify this purchase, is because I compared it to peace walker. I spend close to 200 hours on that game one summer, and I only replayed some of the boss fights etc. If I wouldn't have replayed one mission in MGSPW though, I would have still gotten close to 100 hours out of that game, still. Peace walker and ground zeroes aren't even in the same ball park of value. The entire idea of what they're doing is just wrong. Yeah, this is a REALLY good demo, but not worth $30. Konami thought that they could get away with this BS because MGS is arguably the most beloved series of all time. But that doesn't mean lovers of the game will just blindly buy the crap they're slinging. I'm going to get ground zeroes because I really want more MGS, but the max I'm paying is $15 because that's what this thing is worth. I hope almost no one buys this game at launch to prove a point to Konami. They can't get away with this BS. And this NEEDS to happen. No one should buy this just out of principal. I don't want a precedent to be set where this is common practice.
"Konami’s full-price demo..." It's not full-price, but okay.
most likely played on easy and just ran through and took 2 hours
I think "thx" autocorrected to "the." Autocorrect is not your friend today.
So everyone thinks you have no choice but to pay 40$ Okay... This board is full of, well... special people.
Great read, the future is bleak if this practice manages to set roots in the industry.
Exactly! This is what so many people are missing. Such a thing could set a damaging precedent if this practice became an acceptable industry norm. EA have already demonstrated how easy it is to ruin a good thing such as F2P and DLC.
I'm pretty sure Kojima and Kazunori are the only ones who can get away with this. And it's still very arguable that prologue and ground zeroes are worth the money. Games like COD or even Assassin's Creed won't find much success doing this if they tried.
"Exactly! This is what so many people are missing. Such a thing could set a damaging precedent if this practice became an acceptable industry norm. " -rolls eyes- Some people, like yourself, think this is some sort of holy crusade and the people that don't stand against Ground Zeroes are damaging the industry. I got news, Ground Zeroes is not the first game to charge $30+ dollars for a 2 hour game. It isn't even the only game in the past 3 to 4 months to ask that much for a 2 hour game. However, like so many stances people take against games, it is never the first game that does it or even the worst game... Sorcery Saga has Always Online DRM on the Vita. Super Monkey Ball had locked saves before Biohazard Mercenary. Blazblue was charging for pallet swaps before Capcom and has some of the worst DLC practices in the whole industry. However, we instead hear nothing about Sorcery Saga, Monkey Ball is given a pass because no one "cares" and Arc System Works can do whatever they want because Capcom is the most evilest company like evah. All I want to know is, where were you people ****ing about length and value when Tearaway came out? That game can easily be completed in 2 hours and had a $40 dollar MSRP, yet I've never seen anyone on this site speak ill of it and many STILL regard it as the best Vita game. In fact, many people said "quality is more important than length and in this case, Tearaway is amazing". How about Metal Gear Rising? That was a game that could be completed in 5 hours with HEAVY searching. The Bracelet of Time could be unlocked in Bayonetta if you beat the game in under 3 hours. ICO can be completed in 2 hours if you wanted to, same with God of War and many other games. In the end, some people act like this is the first game, when it is far from it. You want precedent, go look at Tearaway, Metal Gear Rising, Anarchy Reigns (That cost $90 retail in Japan) and many many many more games. However, I'll just take my disagrees and people can try to explain how this is somehow different.
If it became normal practice would that not indicate that the market that is driven by the buyer is in fact accepting this new practice? After all you only buy it if you want to, Konami doesn't have access directly to your money, so if you don't participate buy not buying it that kudos to you. If you do buy it because you want it, well kudos to you. Because you are the one that holds your consumer choice, it will be nobody but your own fault if you do or do not buy it. Every time I read one of the tinfoil hat, your a sheeple, the corporate agenda articles, I feel like our species has become to entitled. Everything is a ploy if it isn't free, even the F2P games are a ploy. Well duh? Since when did companies start doing business with the intent to not make profit?
You might aswel not play it and wait for the full release if it's only 2 hours long, it'll just p!ss you off even more that you've got to wait kind of like a women (or loved one) doing......... "something" to you, and then not finishing you off, they just leave room "i'll come back later"
With 40 dollars in their pocket? XD
Its @20 dude. Not $40
Why The Author Of This Article Is A Joke
What's with all the hate for MG these days?
When somebody does things that people hate, people tend to respond back........hatefully.
But the response that this issue is getting is just a little over dramatic at this point. If you don't like what these people are doing then don't support it.. problem over.
@TheGreatAndPowerful It's because people see this as not only a rip-off but also, like the article said, likely set a bad precedent. Trying to be vocal about it to raise awareness of the problem is only beneficial to us as gamers and more importantly consumers. The way game companies have turned our beloved hobby into money making schemes is downright disgusting. If this sells well it sends a message that it's OK and you can bet all $40 and then some that other publishers will try to do the same. There is nothing over dramatic about saying $40 for 2 hours of game is wrong.
You got to drill it in their head why it isn't a good idea. Indifference is treated as acceptance nowadays which is why things like DLC, incomplete games and other issues we have now have grown out of control. People have to know what's going in the industry so practices like this isn't going through the cracks. Back in the day you would have game journalists to do their job but you've seen too many of them become apologists so they can get perks from developers and such. Hell if I didn't scour the internet for news on titles like Battlefield 4 and Skyrim which got high marks in reviews, I would have been stuck with unplayable messes on Day One.
People aren't hating MGS, they're hating Konami's poor decisions with handling it.
So, why does it bother you if some people are speaking up what they think? ... You do like what they're doing?! then support it... Problem over. Edit: But seriously, don't cry up later because every publisher decide to cut 10% of the full game and sells it to you as a the 1st part of the game when in fact it's a demo/trial!
its not hate but would u go out and buy an mgs game for £70? no you wouldnt and not many would and this is how there getting around a season pass alot of games want u to buy into now a days can we sell a full game at £80 ish or do we break up the game and sell it in sections? works for most multiplayer shooter rite? and ping there ya have it :D
Guess im cancelling yet another game. Canceled tomb raider for removing the blood and dirt art from laras body and now this two hour trash fest.
They didn't remove the dirt and blood though. I just played it for PS4 like 3 times. She's bloody and dirty through the whole game.
It's not a joke if people wait for a price drop... patience ffs.
PS4 XB1 physical versions are $40 right? $40 = £25 (there-abouts) Why the hell is it £40 in the UK?
Because we always get ripped off
this reminds me of back when ps2 games went from $50, to xbox 360 and ps3 games being $60, they have to test the waters at some point, its up to us consumers to show them that we will not accept this insult.
Fact: Replayability value + Side Missions + Main Content > 2 Hours, ergo good enough. Fact: Some games offer barely 4 hours of gameplay for $60 because... Fact: some people are not into multiplayer Fact: Price is unreasonable, but... Fact: it will be worth it
Fact: Metal Gear Solid 5 Ground Zeros only has 5 side missions.( http://www.examiner.com/art... Fact: Metal Gear Solid 5 Ground Zero does not have Multiplayer and only has leaderboards in which you can compare scores in. Fact: Games that offer less than 4 hours of single player and cost 60$ with multiplayer are mostly crap. Fact: Price is very unreasonable from next-gen consoles. It should be 20$ for all consoles. Fact: "It will be worth it" is an opinion.
Why are ppl trying to justify posting for a demo. I would be ok with this if they said hey u know what, since u were nice enough to buy GZ. U get a discount on phantom pain. Then I would be ok. Either that or do what my friend said and bundle it with a lords of shadow 2, to boost sales on that
Just watch a walk thur lol or just wait to the whole deal comes out
"Konami’s full-price demo is an exploitation of fan affection".........when it was announced last year. Seriously why are people only wising up to this now? Will they point out next that it isn't actually David Hayter doing the voice of Big Boss in it???
In all my lifetime I never seen a 2 hours demo not even a 1 hour demo,this is not a demo is more like a dlc the only thing that bothers me is the nex gen pricetag. why 10 dollars higher?
Blue dragon let you play an hour! That vita game is 10 hours and there have been others. I'll get this when its like 25-30
Hideo Kojima is to Metal Gear as George Lucas is to Star Wars.
all the articles say that some game takes 2 or 5 hours, and yet i finish them in two days
it's only 2 hours long because that's the longest they could keep Kiefer Sutherland sober.
No, just no.
These types of articles are a joke. Wait until the game comes out and gets played before making decisions like this. Its just ridiculous now how the game "journalists" and fans proclaim games as successes of failures with very little info or any actual playtime.
@VGSteve Well it's a lot longer than any game you have ever made. Oops... You haven't made any! I'm sure you (like any other lap dog leech gaming website) is using kotaku to get your information. Hate to break it to you but most people with a brain know that kotaku is the worst example of Internet journalism. And, the story they wrote about the length of this game was called an outright lie by the offices of kojima. So.... Sucks to be you with copying kotaku and all.
So its not different to other MGS games then fair enough then, I am sure people will still buy it.
"If microsoft did this with Halo." Uhm, did u check out Halo3 ODST? 4 hour campaign, 4 new maps. 1 new mode. 60$.
I most likely won't buy Ground Zeroes, but you people are sheep if you really believe that its only 2 hours. I never believe the completion times that reviewers use. They probably play on the easiest setting and do a speed run through the game while ignoring enemies and collectibles in order to get these times. If I had a dollar for every time I beat a game in the same amount of time as a reviewer, I'd be broke. I've never beat a game like one of these reviewers/gaming journalists. If a reviewers says a game is 5 hours long, you can bet its going to take me at least 15 if not more.
Still not enough content for the cost.
Massive metal gear fan here but if you buy this your just being a big mug !!! To much money to pay for the 24 actors work lol that's all it is David hayter all the way :-D
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