David Hayter could have been taking a shot at Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes regarding its game length.
How about a new movie or a game starring Guyver under your own screenplay David Hayter? That will be awesome for a change
The Dark hero rofl. I watched that film many times, it was like power rangers on crack. Lots of gore.
He already has movies out and he just sold the rights to another movie. David Hayter is extremely successful. He did Snake because the fans where so passionate about the series and his role as Snake, not because he needed money. Which makes the way Kojima behaved towards David Hayter all the more disrespectful. It would have been nothing for Kojima to call up David or take him out to lunch and let him know what was going on. Instead he was practically the last to know what was going on. Kojima was incredibly rude and disrespectful to a guy that worked on the MGS series for over 10 years.
@cleft5 I completely agree, and that's my main gripe with the situation. I can handle Sutherland as the voice, but I do really dislike the way they treated Hayter. The right thing would have been to have had him sign an NDA and like you said, take him out to lunch and let him know what was going on.
Hayter's gonna Hayt :P
Was wondering how long it would take for someone to go there...
Ok this was either a really lame attempt at "taking a shot" or I just don't get the joke. If he is taking a shot, it wasn't a good one...lol
I still don't buy David Hayter not being in this game. I'll take anything Kojima's troll-ass says with a grain of salt. I think he's still in the game in some capacity and we're being set up for one of the biggest/greatest surprises in-game, ever done in a game.
I am not really buying it either, this whole thing just seems like a hoax. Hayter just seems a little too "butthurt". If all of this really happened then I feel for the man. But I would not be surprised if this was a massive troll.
You people aren't going to go down without a fight are you? He's not in the game. This isn't a troll move by Kojima as is evidenced by every piece of Hayter's actions from announcement to this very moment. Get over it, he's not in the game. At all. Period.
I'd be happier if it were a troll, but... alas, I don't think so. I will be buying MGS5 used. Or not at all, if I can manage it, but I think I'll cave.
@DragonKnight If this is a troll and Hayter is in on it, which he'd have to be, his so-called actions would not be "evidence" of anything. I'm getting the game regardless of him being in it so it's not like a 'I just can't let this go' type of thing. Knowing Kojima's sense of humor and past antics , I feel like it might be an elaborate troll; maybe even a way to poke fun at the Sam Fisher voice situation in Splinter Cell: Blacklist, I don't know. But I don't buy it and some random dude (you) in the comment section "confirming" he's not in the game doesn't convince me otherwise. Kojima was bold enough to basically pull a bait-and-switch with the main playable character in MGS2, is it so far out of the realm of possibilty that he's bold enough to pull something like this? if I end up wrong, then fine, but I don't buy it.
He's such a Hayter...
Got told. Go Hayter.
Good stuff. His frustration is justified.
Not really. He thinks he ought to be the voice for Snake eternally and since he's not any more he's been endlessly bitter about MGSV. He's done great work on the series, but if KP want to change him then they can, they don't need to justify their decision to him.
What? Firstly, he has never implied, nor directly stated, nor answer any kind of question regarding the idea that he thinks he ought to be the voice of Snake eternally. He doesn't need to voice Snake, as has been stated before, since he's very successful outside of MGS. Secondly, endlessly bitter? What have you been reading. Even if that were the case, which it isn't, you'd be bitter to if you weren't even given the consideration of a personal explanation as to why you're not being cast for a role you spent 10 years of your life giving your best to and becoming synonymous with said role. "but if KP want to change him then they can, they don't need to justify their decision to him." Actually yeah, they do. If it weren't for Hayter, Snake wouldn't be who he is today. It'd be one thing if they used a different voice actor among the games for Snake, but they didn't. They recognized that Hayter was Snake, that the fans knew him as Snake, and that his was the iconic representation of that character. So yes, given that he gave a decade of his life to making the character what he is today they do need to justify their decision. To him, and to potential consumers.
@DragonKnight I couldn't disagree more. 1.His actions as of late scream bitter child. 2. Whether or not his bitterness is justified is besides the point, if anything you just proved he ought to be and probably is bitter. 3.No they don't need to justify shit to him. Regardless of how synonymous Hayter's name is to Snake, he doesn't own the IP or writes the story therefore he doesn't need to get any justification fore the change of direction. Frankly I was confused as to why he was even in any of the metal gear solid games past 1 and 2. 3 was a different guy (Solid Snake =/=big boss, clone or not, after all Solidus and Liquid sounded nothing like him) And 4, the hyper aging should've changed his voice much more.
@Kenshin: How has his actions screamed bitter child? Even in this post there is only an implication being made and it has to be made by the reader. People are linking Hayter's comment to his Past with the series and coming up with their own conclusions. How is that him being bitter? And again, IF he were bitter, you would be too after 10 years of hard work and not so much as a "thank you for all your hard work, we're going to try this different approach with this character and won't be needing you for this installment." Anyone would be upset, and that's only IF he legitimately is. "Whether or not his bitterness is justified is besides the point." Actually, it's the entire point. How many questions a day do you think Hayter is asked about this game? How many people do you think flood his twitter with "you were screwed over" or "Kojima is a dick" or any other kind of remarks about this game? Even if he wanted to put it passed him, he can't because others won't let it go. And IF he is bitter, his bitterness is justified based on his treatment and thus any comment he's making is so justified. What makes you think it's NOT justified? Because it's not his game? Who cares? Do you think so many people are upset because Hayter is just some guy and doesn't matter to the series? No. Hayter is Snake and is just as responsible for the success of MGS as any programmer, or Kojima himself. "3.No they don't need to justify shit to him. Regardless of how synonymous Hayter's name is to Snake, he doesn't own the IP or writes the story therefore he doesn't need to get any justification fore the change of direction." Again, yes they do. Hayter's contribution to the series has been massive and a big reason the series is so loved. By your logic, Kojima is the only important person for the entire series and he could make the game a My Little Pony simulator and you'd think the input of anyone else wouldn't matter because screw everyone else, it's Kojima's game. No, sorry, it doesn't work like that. Hayter deserved better than what he got, which was nothing. Let's hope that you don't put over a decade of your life into something you think is meaningful only to have your superiors shrug off your contribution as meaningless and you as replaceable. "Frankly I was confused as to why he was even in any of the metal gear solid games past 1 and 2. 3 was a different guy (Solid Snake =/=big boss, clone or not, after all Solidus and Liquid sounded nothing like him) And 4, the hyper aging should've changed his voice much more." Good thing you're not in charge or the series would have gone to hell then. A clone is a physically identical person to the progenitor. That means identical vocal cords and identical voice. That Solidus and Liquid sounded nothing like him has nothing to do with actual logic and everything to do with A)Not paying one voice actor to play 4 characters with the same voice (though Bethesda seems to get away with it) because that would appear to be poor production value and B)That would piss off pretty much everyone when they hear 4 characters with the same voice, regardless of the biological logic of what cloning represents. As for MGS4, their choice was to get Hayter to attempt an aged voice, or get someone completely different who wouldn't sound at all like Snake. An aged voice doesn't sound completely different so it wouldn't make sense to get someone else. I'm really glad you have nothing to do with running the series, because if you had then it'd be even more all over the place than it already is, only with worse voice acting and complete disregard for the people involved in making the series great.
@DragonKnight: There has been a huge number of tweets since the announcement of MGSV (and his lack of inclusion in the game) proving his bitterness over it. I'm not going to search for them to post here, they're all there and you don't need to look for any deepness in the comments. Here are few though: "Ah well, Can't fault @RealKiefer Great actor, good man. The game will probably still be excellent. Like New Coke!" "But... you're not Snake anymore.” I remain Snake in the same way that Connery remains Bond." As for them having to justify it to him, he (ironically in his initial post about it) said "But the truth is -- it’s not my choice. Any and all casting decisions are the sole purview of Hideo Kojima, and Konami itself. And that’s fair." It's business. It's life. He of all people should know that you have to get on with it, as an actor and voice-actor. Still feeling a closeness to the series is inevitable and I don't blame him for that, but feeling entitled or harshly done by isn't needed.
While it may be justified he isn't being very graceful about it assuming this isn't all just an act. If not then he's just insulting the biggest role of his career with his tantrum and potentially burning a bridge to ensure no more future jobs from Kojima.
umm okay, not really that much of an insult but whatever.
Well we all know Kiefer Sutherland does a great job at condensing 24 Hour periods into an hour of TV time less commercial breaks. So maybe we are not getting 2 hours of gameplay but instead we are getting 48 "Jack Bauer" hours of gameplay.
Clearly you are talking about "24". Every episode is only one hour in the show. Every season is 24 episodes and follows a single day. It is the opposite of what you just said.
Yes you are correct, it has been to long since I watched that show.
And Ground Zeroes has 2h. Well, that's a plus
Must hurt for him seeing MGS franchise slowly sink. Imagine being sold just the tanker mission on MGS2 seperately for $40? Gaming has changed...
Depending how you look at it, some people paid $60 just for the Tanker mission, regardless of ZoE being attached.
ZoE was $50, and the demo was 1/3 the mission, and people still got ZoE with it, regardless of MGS2 hype.
@yewles1 Alright, $50 is hardly a big difference there, not that it was the principle point. Like I said, people varied, ZoE was bought by 90% of people for the mgs demo, ZoE had no hype surrounding it otherwise. I personally loved the game and it justified my purchase, but not everyone did, that's the point.
Is that Snakes new line; "Gaming... Gaming has changed."
MGS game length has nothing to do with the voice actor. I don't think this is an attack. I think people are just taking it that way immaturely.
I think it is a dig. I just do not know what game he has ever made? He has been in quite a few, but I don't think he has ever directed or produced, or even worked as a creative lead on a title.
I think it's fair to say that he was involved with Watchmen and that it doesn't get much more bigger than that.
The Watchmen game wasn't big at all. Note in his remark, Hayter said Game. Note that in my comment above I said Game. And the final note, involved 'in' or 'with' is not the same as Directing or Producing. It is not the same as having a million dollar corporation and hundreds, perhaps thousands of jobs for which you are most directly responsible. The Watchmen movie is considered a failure. Not only in terms of what it did but for the fact the comic fans hated it and it really killed off other projects waiting in the wings. So the plans for the movie were big but those plans did not materialize. Hayter's relationship to the Snake character is no different than that of Sean Connery to James Bond. When he left there was blood in the streets and people swore no one else could play Bond. Seems silly now but that is exactly how it was though 99% of the people on this site had parents that were barely old enough to know who James Bond was when the controversy occurred. Personally I thought Richard Doyle's Big Boss was head and shoulders above that of Hayter. And Hayter, to have played such a stoic character has acted through this entire affair like a 5 year old. We maybe getting trolled by Hayter and Kojima in the grandest scheme ever, but I doubt it. I could see an after credits playable mission in which Big Boss (Sutherland) recruits Solid. It would make "Kept you waiting, huh?" a real twist. As I stated, not likely, All of that said it makes Hayter's actions reprehensible and completely devoid of character or any sense of dignity.
I loved Hayter's work in all the installments but can he just just move on already. He's an actor who got paid to do a job and now his services are not needed...and now dislikes come fourth.
Move on? The man has been doing this job since 1998, it wasn't just a one and done gig. He's a renowned voice actor, beloved by fans of the franchise and (no doubt) the people behind MGS. He's not just an actor to them or us, he is Solid Snake. You make it sound like he did a background voice and got hung up when they didn't phone him for the sequel.
Finally someone who can understand! All these people being all defensive for no reason its just a smart remark Kojima wont get phazed anyhow and yeah im all for trying new things im still going to get the game but as a long time MGS fan it will just feel different good or bad ill see when I buy it I dont doubt Kojima.
Sorry, man, but he didn't just do Solid Snake. He either did Snake (regardless of the timeline we're referring to) or he did Solid Snake AND Naked Snake, respectively. I'm OCD correcting you, 'cause like you, I'm a huge fan of the METAL GEAR franchise. Now, regarding David Hayter, I'll completely agree with you, man. It IS a big deal not having him around. He was dedicated to this game series and he got replaced on a very important step of the franchise--a pretty innovating one. I will miss him, very much. I will respect Kojima's vision, though. He clearly wanted something big with MGSV. Something that won't be conservative. It's risky, yes. Being innovative and trying to make a break-through, very often requires to take such risks, though. And I respect it. I love Kiefer Sutherland as an actor and I'm happy that someone like him will voice BIG BOSS (or Snake for that matter, if later on Kojima will progress to the Solid Snake era). However, we should not forget that Ocelot's voice actor isn't the same as well. Since Ocelot in MGSV is much more mature than the young Ocelot from MGS3, it's apparent from Troy Baker's acting (the new voice of Ocelot) that he mimics the tone of the Old Ocelot (from MGS 1-2-4). Nobody said anything about it. He might not be that big like Snake, but he's still one of the main characters on each Metal Gear Solid game. One thing's for sure. Kojima has given the same amount of love to his game as he did to the previous Metal Gear games. Every aspect, every detail in MGSV, including the actors, serve the game's structure. So, how can I be that upset when every decision that has been made was for the better? (talking about the overall gaming experience)
@Super Taru You caught me slippin! What is funny is that Hayter has done the voice of Big Boss more than Solid Snake. MGS1 just holds a special place and anytime I hear that voice I think back to it. "Colonel, I'm in front of the disposal facility... Colonel, can you read me?" Kojima and team haven't disappointed me yet, so I will definitely give GZ and V a play. Kiefer is a solid actor and will undoubtedly do a good job, it was just surprising to hear Hayter wouldn't be back. As for Ocelot... I'll be honest, I hadn't put much thought into his voice actor. He's always been well acted, I guess I didn't think of it as iconic the way that Hayter's is. With or without Hayter, we'll all be picking up GZ and V. Kojima and team always rock the world when MGS comes around. We fans that love something so dearly always get a little scared when they change something we've grown attached to ;).
Eeexactly, my friend! Besides, we wouldn't share our thoughts on the "Hayter replacement" incident, if we wouldn't care about the game so much. I'm really glad we're on the same page. ;)
I get why people are upset. It is a bummer that he isn't voicing snake since he made snake who his, in my opinion. However as taru pointed out, everyone's voice has changed in the game now. All that is because he wanted to do motion capturing from the voice actors this time. And to be fair David Hayter doesn't have the build for that. As far as him voicing big boss is concerned, he didn't voice big boss in mgs4. Richard Doyle voiced him and he did a great job. No one complained about him. It's going to be different but it's still going to be metal gear solid. I didn't think I'd get over the fact that Michael Ironside didn't voice Sam Fisher but I did. And it was fairly east haha.
Exactly, these people act as if Kojima owes something to Hayter when in fact if anything is Hayter that owes the recognition he gets to Kojima atleast on this industry. Kojima has EVERY right to choose whoever he wants to voice the characters he creates and he doesn't have to apologize for it.
"in fact if anything is Hayter that owes the recognition he gets to Kojima" Sorry dude, that goes for both sides. People loved MGS because it has great story, gameplay, music, AND excellent voice actors who gave life to the characters. If MGS doesn't have David Hayter as Solid Snake, maybe the game still popular. But i don't think it will be as popular as now. Because there are tons of games who had great characters, but their own voice actors did a bad job to represent that greatness. Two simple example why voice actors are very important are Uncharted and The Last of Us. I don't think i will like Nathan Drake and Joel or even finished the game if Nolan North and Troy Baker didn't do an amazing job for both characters. So yeah, David owe Kojima because he got the opportunity to voice one of the best character in video games. But Kojima owe David too because David did an amazing job with Snake. He made Snake like a real person and not just video game character that we can forget in a blink of an eye.
What Nolan North and Troy Baker did for their respective characters is completely different than what Hayter did for Solid Snake as a character. They portrayed those characters and gave their own input and helped develop the characters just like any actor does when shooting a movie. Here is an interview that Ashley and Neil did about the development of Ellie (my favorite character of the gen) in TloU http://www.telegraph.co.uk/... "Druckmann described how Johnson’s input had developed the Ellie’s character in directions that he had not anticipated. “There was a moment when Ellie was being pulled from a truck, and Ashley said ‘I feel like I’d hit him, Ellie would do more in this moment, I wouldn’t be so helpless’. Then hit him [I said] and slowly through Ashley’s input Ellie became much more capable than we initially conceived.” Hayter is just a voice. What he did any competent voice actor can do. He has no bearing on what Snake does or says or on his personality. Snake is kojima and Kojima is snake so no I don't agree when you say that MGS is popular partly because Snake was voiced by Hayter. Snake would always be the great character that he his with or without Hayter and the same goes for all the great characters in the MGS universe.
Yes, David doesn't do motion act for Snake because Konami already hired more experience actors to do the stunt. But saying David not gave his input or don't do anything for MGS is a complete false. David even gave up half his own paycheck just because he wants to bring all original cast for MGS: Twin Snakes! http://www.reddit.com/r/met... If Snake is Kojima than why Kojima not doing Snake voices or stunt by himself? And if David "just" a voices that other competent VA can do his job easily as Snake, than why Kojima hired David for 15 years? Why not hired another VA for Snake after MGS 1? So it's obvious that David work with Snake is in the same level (minus motion act) with Troy and Nolan did with Drake and Joel. Without David, i don't think MGS and Snake won't be as popular as now.
Giving half his paycheck doesn't change the fact that Snake would always be the same character with or without Hayter. The english voice actors have no input on characters from the MGS universe and their work simply cannot be compared with what Troy, Nolan or Ashley did for their respective characters in Uncharted or Tlou. They're not just doing motion capture, they helped create those characters and Drake, Ellie and Joel are just as much as ND as the actors that portrayed them. Snake is kojima because everything he does and says is kojima and has been for more than 25 years. A character can't never be reduced to its voice and that is what people that say "Hayter is Snake" are doing. Like I said what Hayter did, ANY competent voice actor can do. Hayter is just a voice nothing more, nothing else.
Isn't he just burning a bridge unnecessarily? After the new coke comment and this little jab, will Konami want to hire him back at any point?
Um, even if you were still the VA you would've had to justify the game length, and it's no secret that Phantom Pain will most likely be the longest Metal Gear ever. Come on Hayter.
I hope you are right on the longest MGS ever but it could go the other way too and be the quickest MGS yet. Open world tends to make things a lot easier.
they never should of separated ground zeroes from the phantom pain.
You have to pay for Sutherland somehow.
YES! I was looking for a comment like this before I was going to say it myself I wish I can agree 5 times I cracked up when I read it but on a serious note yeah... *sighs* Keifer sutherland is the voice actor *shudders*
No, it's perfectly okay they separated Ground Zeroes from The Phantom Pain. That way, we get to play the first chunk of the game earlier, and if there are any things we'd like to be changed in TPP, we can inform Konami. They never should price it for $20/$30/$40 in the first place. It's the only problem with Ground Zeroes.
I could see that comment under that picture of him on a dating website.
I used to have the utmost respect for Hideo... It's wavering considerable right now.
well you have to understand that he has a studio and needs to pay his staff. i also think that the industry needs to change its pricing structure and maybe charge anything they want. why dont other people complain about movies splitting it into two parts? i know ground zeroes is short but still kinda the same thing. anyway people in us should just be glad they are not charged some extorrtionate prices like uk
I'm no sales anylyst, but I'd imagine if he charged $10 online he would get a lot more revenue. By charging $40 for next gen it's going to hurt konami in 2 ways. First, people just aren't going to buy it at that price. And second, it's pissing off a lot of people, people I might add that preciously though Hideo could do no wrong. And that may translate to few sales when the phantom pain comes out.
I will enjoy the middle of March. When every butthurt person that complained about the price and David Hayter penis jockies will try and take the foot from their mouths. Desperately taking their words back and fumbling old games for store credit.
His tears taste bitter. Cry more please.
it was pretty sad that David Hayter got cut off for MGSV. I mean he stuck around even when he was becoming quite a big screenwriter. Not sure big but he did write a few big movies. I'm just curious to know if he would buy this game since he genuinely seemed like a fan of the games.
I don't think its commonly known, but he co-wrote the screenplay for X-Men 1 and 2, as well as Watchmen.
"My games"? Which games are those, because I'm retty sure they're ALL Kojima games, not the voice actors.
Yeah. I almost sense as if he feels as though he was bigger than the series... almost diva like. So, Kojima decided to get someone bigger to fit the role he was trying to portray.
How would him voicing snake make the game any longer though?