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The Order: 1886 Lacks Multiplayer, 30 FPS; Sony Fans: “It’s Okay.”

SheAttack: "I’m not here to say whether this game needs mutliplayer or not, or if frame rates and resolutions are important, or even which console is better. I’m here only to make an honest observation. Any issue with Sony seems to be casually swept under the rug while other issues with Microsoft and Nintendo are blown out of proportion and I can’t help but wonder, 'If the issues with the Xbox One were the issues of the PlayStation 4, would the gaming community treat Sony the same'?"

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NYC_Gamer1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

I really don't understand why any gamer would be upset about a quality game running at 30fps

GarrusVakarian1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

I cant speak for any other Sony fanboys on this site, but for me personally a solid 30fps has always been and will always be ok with me on both platforms (but i want MP FPS's at 60). Ive played numerous locked 30fps games on my PS4, the only time ive ever criticised an X1 games framerate is when those games are advertised as 30fps but turn out to run lower. I never have and never will criticize an X1 game for running at locked 30fps.

I also fail to see why people are acting like 30fps on an exclusive is the same as 30fps on a game that is on both systems. Of course it's ok for an exclusive to run at 30fps...but when a multiplat game runs worse on the more expensive console, the criticism is completely justified.

As for MP, im glad it's not in The Order 1886, as their first PS4 game, i want full focus on a great PS experience. Co-op and/or MP can come next time when they know the ropes a bit more. A horde mode would have been nice....but as i said, it's their first proper console game.

"'If the issues with the Xbox One were the issues of the PlayStation 4, would the gaming community treat Sony the same'?""

Lol, you must not have been on this exact website when last gen first launched. Trust me, Sony and the PS3 got it just as good as the X1 is getting it. Constant memes, constant jokes about how it has no games, constant bragging about how much better 360 multiplats looked.

TomShoe1288d ago

Who cares? It's a single player, slow paced game. It's not a twitch shooter like Call of Duty.

30fps is fine.

LaChance1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

"I really don't understand why any gamer would be upset about a quality game running at 30fps"

Ask the hordes of Sony fanboys on this site. They should be more than willing to answer. Hey thats pretty much all they talk about all day long.

EDIT: at least now we know that after all 30 fps is more than ok :)

afterMoth1288d ago

Xbox One fans are upset because it was pointed out that Tomb Raider runs at twice the framerate on the PS4. Xbox One fans then jump to the conclusion that it means Sony fans aren't okay with 30fps games. All things equal 60fps is better than 30fps, that is the only relevance to Tomb Raider. Sony fans aren't saying Tomb Raider sucks for being 30fps but the PS4 version is better.

ThunderSpark1288d ago

We cannot judge The Order yet for being 30fps because it has not been done on any other system. For all we know, it might have to do with the sheer amount of other graphical enhancements and events occurring in the game.

30fps is not an issue unless it is proven to be capable of 60fps on other systems or consoles. Tomb Raider is a great example of this because it was 30fps on the Xbox one, PS3 and Xbox 360, however, was shown to be capable of a lot more on the PS4. Why should I get the game on the Xbox One if there is a better experience on the PS4?

All in all, this article is reaching. Xbox One fans are just tired of their console being compared to the PS4 and are now trying to nitpick PS4s exclusives. What happened last generation when exclusives didn't mean the PS3 was stronger, it was all about the multi-platformers. Now this generation is different? Talk about backpedaling.

Destrania1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

Well said once again Lukas. I think the people disagreeing with you are being completely pathetic. The tech behind The Order is astonishing, the story is intriguing, and the gameplay looks to be exciting. Really stoked to see more. Xbots are just mad they won't be getting this game, and that their exclusives won't ever be able to achieve anything close to it.

Kingthrash3601288d ago

@la chance....sony guys said it was 30fps was bad in comparisons like cod vs. cod on ps4/x1..plenty of 30 fps games on both consoles but when staple mulitiplat games dont even out. the cod/bf4/mgs are better on ps4...im pretty sure 1886 wouldn't run on x1 at 1080p hek prolly not even 30 fps...look at ryse, i prolly would have made 1080p on ps4...smh.

Eonjay1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

30 FPS means it has really good graphics. No multiplayer means its a story focused game. Like Bioshock.

Also single player was announced back in Oct 2013. Only now are people trying to attack this game because of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

scott1821288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

I think a locked 30fps @ 1080p is more than ok. If it was constantly dipping way lower than 30 that would suck for games...

showtimefolks1288d ago

Lukas_Japonicus

i think these same one complaining about xbox one's treatment were the ones bashing sony/ps3. Life is funny as to what goes around comes around

2006-2008 all we heard or read was how ps3 doom or sony failure articles, no way is xbox one getting the same treatment

dedicatedtogamers1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

'If the issues with the Xbox One were the issues of the PlayStation 4, would the gaming community treat Sony the same'?

Ooof. Let's rewind time back to 2005-2009.

'If the issues with PS3 were the issues of Xbox 360, would the gaming community treat Microsoft the same?'

And of course, we know that while PS3 suffered from fewer issues, it got much more hate.

New gaming gen, same argument. It is only natural for the most popular console to get a pass for its mistakes (for instance, hardly anyone raised a stink that PS+ is now required for some online multiplayer) while the less-popular console gets shat on. Doubly so, when you consider how much vitriol has been aimed at Microsoft over the last year (it's actually been building up since Kinect came out for 360).

Xbox fans, my sympathies. You're in for a rough couple of years. The same thing happened to early PS3 adopters. It's no surprise that it is happening to early X1 adopters.

Giul_Xainx1288d ago

Why would it need a multiplayer part of the game?

Everyone just buys naughty dog, dice, and infinity ward games anyway. Why compete?

pyramidshead1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

Bubble up for @aftermoth, knocking it out the park to put the whiners in their place.

Not to mention The Order is a true next gen game with a crap tonne of next gen features to boot. Tomb Raider was rightfully scrutinised as it's basically a last gen port of a multiplatform game.

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dirkdady1288d ago

Lol it's all relative ain't it? It's not about running at 30fps or 60fps it's all in relation from one system to the other like if the order runs at 30fps on the ps4 if it were also on the xbox one it would probably run at 15fps for example.

jamestewart1288d ago

For the X1 camp if they made this game on the X1 it would be lower frames than whatever the PS4 version will be.

Why o why1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

Lukas and Aftermoth well said. You can state the same thing 50 times and some will still try their upmost not to get it so they can continue with fallacious points.

Repeat after me.....

30 is good but 60 is better;

30 is not so good if the other console is doing 60.

900 is ok but 1080 is better;

900 is not so good if the other console is doing 1080

BG115791288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

Some people are really grabbing straws here...

Why people are caring for the 1080/60 fps thing in the Xbone? Well because MS at the reveal, at the latest E3, bluntly presented their console a "1080 and 60fps" console. All the games where presented has running in the Xbone and running "1080 and 60fps".
And that the Cloud was this super great thing that only MS could use to increase the consoles graphics.
When logical and knowledgeable people prove it to be a lie, MS and their followers kept on defending it wasn't. MS tried why all their capabilities to hide this, by not revealing the truth capacity of the console, speaking of cloud, inventing fake numbers, buying comments, future timed reveals, and all that PR circus.
Since MS'reveal, all their games have been downgraded and so did MS'fans expectations.

When the PS4 or any game was presented, no lie was said about resolution and frame-rate. Sony spoke of the raw power of the machine directly, showed the game on its on console.
At this point Sony has kept all their promises in power for the console. Games have been upgraded since their presentation.

Who should really be upset at this point by the Xbone's 720/900 and inferior multip, are MS'fans. They were tricked to believe they bought a more expensive console that would natively be able of doing 1080 60fps and it's not the case.
The conclusion, while MS'fans like to be lied at. Sony's fans prefer the better value and trustworthiness. Which is what is being given with 1886.

quaneylfc1288d ago

The commenters were right in that Thurway post, there has been a totally different attitude to that of tomb raider and others not being 60fps when it didn't even matter.

this "issue" was explained a long time ago by crytek regarding ryse but no one seemed to get that answer because ryse isn't for their platform of choice. I'm just glad now that people will learn about the directors intentions on how a game will look without consorting to an argument on whats "better."

All it took was some double standards but its the age we live in and there is nothing i can say or do to change that ;)

FlunkinMonkey1288d ago

Well said Lukas.

Wait wait wait, are XBone fans really trying to have a go at 1080/30 when the XBone struggles to even get 1080 full stop?!

These guys...

Gamer6661287d ago

I agree that last gen Sony ate a lot of crap last generation but that was a lot of their own doing and over-promising.

Check out this Wired article that went back and reviewed the PS3 promises:

http://www.wired.com/gameli...

They promised that they were capable of doing games at 120 fps (Page 2 of the article)! Then, when they shipped many games couldn't even hold 30 fps. And here we are a generation later and the newest consoles are not even reaching 120 fps never mind seeing that on the PS3.

With all that said, I think that fanboys get too caught up in the marketing hype on both sides. Sony fanboys keep on beating the dead horse about 60 fps at 1080p, and now that Titanfall is looking like a solid exclusive and a lot of XB fanboys are making it sound like Titanfall is the God's gift to gaming.

The reality is this generation has a long way to go... And 60 fps is gravy not a requirement. Same with 1080p over 720p. And MS tends to bring better exclusives at the start of the gen while Sony brings the best exclusives near the end of the gen.

dantesparda1287d ago (Edited 1287d ago )

So the MS fanboys wanna start making this stupid argument, so they can look even dumber then they already look?! They understand damn well whats up, but they wanna act stupid so they can play their stupid little fanboy games.

killzone6191287d ago

30fps is fine for platformers...but for shooters? no thanks.

games like CoD are so successful on last gen consoles because 60fps improves any shooter genre.

sony fans can disagree away but they havent experienced 60fps enough to realise its importance.

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G20WLY1288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

"Any issue with Sony seems to be casually swept under the rug", said the awful troll site.

When was there ever even the slightest hint that The Order: 1886 would have multiplayer? Never, and that's why nobody has an issue with it.

30fps is sometimes fine, if it means greater fidelity. Some games, by the nature of their gameplay, are better with higher fps and lower resolution is a fair trade off.

Multiplatform games are a different story and this is where the author spins for the sake of flamebait. If one version is higher fps/resolution that the other, of course it is always preferable - if it's achievable.

Tibbers1288d ago

"30fps is sometimes fine" but not in games where you control a camera (e.g. shooter).

Alexander1Nevermind1288d ago

When was there ever even the slightest hint that The Order: 1886 would have multiplayer? Never, and that's why nobody has an issue with it.

This^^^

When the game was debuted, I don't remember any mention of Multiplayer.

Killzone was slated to be 30 FPS and all I heard was fans say try and get 60 FPS if possible (which GG obviously did their best to try and achieve), which is the same they are saying for The Order 1886.

I think a lot of the issue with DR3 was that the game is 720p (if I stand corrected let me know) and it still had frame rate drops. The issue fans have with X1is its performance when compared to the PS4.

This article wreaks of butthurt MS Fan imo.

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-c...

Godmars2901288d ago

Because "gamers" have been all over such differences on multiplatform titles.

I don't need to say who or which ones...

Hicken1288d ago

Because those multiplatform titles were performing at a lower standard on one console than on the other. Hell, in the case of Tomb Raider, it's a last-gen game, which should make it that much easier. But that's a comparison of multiplats, where you'd expect the same framerate and resolution.

No one has flat-out said 30fps sucks. Not one person, even the Sony fanboys.

If The Order were 60fps on XB1, then there'd be a problem. But it's an exclusive, it's running 1080p(though a cinematic 800p), and we have no idea just how much is going on, though there seems to be some destructible environments, if I remember correctly.

Please, PLEASE stop making connections that just don't work. It's NOT hypocritical to be critical of the lower performance of a multiplat and then be alright with a given performance of an exclusive.

webeblazing1288d ago

what you mean by last gen game its a port of pc version. this have to be the worst response. its versions of multiplat game that came out that so called next gen consoles cant touch. do you have a last gen console? lol the stuff people was saying the didnt matter when pc gamers said did is now their goto move. funny right. im just saying people need to just chill its really getting pathetic on both sides. and no fanboys dont understand logic if it was a multiplat and ran the same the will go out their way to find something to bash the other with.

Prime1571288d ago (Edited 1288d ago )

It's always funny when xbox fanboys become what they hate in Sony fanboys.

Hypocrites? No, human, but annoying as (in this case) their comparing apples to oranges.

Sorry, but you are being EXACTLY what you attack in other articles.

Kribwalker1288d ago

If it's an exclusive game it should be better then if it's a multiplatform game made for 4 different systems where they don't have time to properly optimize. I am going to bookmark this page for the next time you sony fanboys decide to pile on the Xbox one for playing an exclusive game at 30fps or less then 1080p because you all think it's fine if it's exclusive as The Order is 800p and 30fps.
IE ryse
Dead rising 3
Titanfall
Ect ect

cozomel1287d ago

@kribwalker

Dude are you stupid or something or just plain dumb? The Order isnt 800p because of some technical weakness, its 800p because they wanted it to be letterbox, they are doing it by choice not limitation . And im sure you know that, but are choosing to be an idiot about it. Then again aint all Xbot idiots for liking that sh!t.

As for your exclusive comment.
1.)Anything the Xbone can do the PS4 can do better, so if this game was on the X1 it would either be lower res or lower framerate or if it could match both the res and fps then it would be lower settings/quality
And 2.) All those Xbone exclusives perform horribly, the system can barely handle them, Ryse is 900p because the system couldnt handle it at 1080p (just like it had to be lowered from 150k per character to 85k).
And Titanfall is 720p with 6vs6 players. 720p should not be allowed this gen.

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badz1491288d ago

wow, really? we're approving this kind of article now?

"The Order: 1886 Lacks Multiplayer, 30 FPS; Sony Fans: “It’s Okay.”"

I know, right? because the Xbone version totally running 1080p 60fps! PS4 is such WEAK SAUCE! oh wait...
there is no other version to compare it to! it's not like the game is gonna be 900p with unstable 30fps! oopps...

and since when is MP mandatory? where is this kind of article when Bioshock Infinite doesn't have a MP? it's wrong now when dev wanna focus on SP? GTFO!