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Submitted by codelyoko 733d ago | news

Mantle API Causes Washed Out Graphics Compared to Direct X in Battlefield 4

AMD's New Mantle API currently causes Washed Out graphics and fogginess in Battlefield 4 compared to Direct X. (AMD, Battlefield 4, PC)

Muffins1223  +   733d ago
Ouch,did not think their would be a catch to this :C
Well this might affect my future purchase if their is not a solution to this in future. e
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WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   733d ago
Dat performance increase...
TI_21  +   733d ago
It's yet another bug of the game.
Apparently it doesn't even affect performance.
Skate-AK  +   733d ago
Did you not read the article? It is just a bug.
windblowsagain  +   733d ago
What mantle or the game/S.

Yes i have the game on PC.

But it still has alot of bugs, too much clipping issues.

As for Mantle. Early days.
epoxe  +   733d ago
This is just a bug. The real concern for me is the wasted man hours programming for mantle when AMD still has a minority stake in the GPU industry.
awi5951  +   733d ago
Not when 100 mill plus consoles sell this gen. You may play it down but all of the consoles are AMD and if they sell ill the 200+ mill range its a huge boost to AMD.
kB0  +   733d ago
@Awi5951

Consoles sells have little affect on the GPU/CPU industry for AMD.

It help the company a lot but if they can't compete in the computer market, them competiting in the console market is only 1 sided.

Then they should stick to consoles and oem products. That's the impression they give.

I'm not bad mouthing them, but that's how stock holders see things and that how logic is drawn.

So consoles have 0 affect on GPU industry. They need to bump up their PC numbers.
DeadlyFire  +   733d ago
APUs + GPU + Mantle is AMD's future forward. Who else has CPU/GPU coding tied down so tightly for performance?

Intel? NVIDIA? Nope. They both are just going with the same old same old for now. They have GPU tied with CPU components here and there, but nothing that is integrated like AMD's Mantle API to take full advantage of the hardware. It could shift big performance numbers in AMD's favor on the PC market. It just depends on who and how many develop on their API.
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imXify  +   733d ago
Lol !
In fact I see more realistic colors with Mantle
akurtz  +   733d ago
I was thinking the same thing. It gets alittle confusing lol.
codelyoko  +   733d ago
I absolutely agree. More realistic colors. But that is just a chance. Problem is that Mantle did not deliver the colors the Director wanted you to see. Ofcoure its being patched out as we speak.
cyguration  +   733d ago
Yeah I was just about to say the same thing.

Looks more real to me.
ITPython  +   733d ago
Mantle does indeed look more realistic. I have a lot of mountains where I live, and unless it's an unbelievably clear day, they will be hazy. And even then on a really clear day, they are still hazed the further you are away from them.

Also the pics aren't great comparisons, as the Mantle shot has a much wider view of the mountains and due to that, see's a lot more of the most distant mountains. Whereas the DirectX one only shows part of the mountains and no long-distance shots of them.

Take two screenshots from identical positions, then we can have a legit comparison.
codelyoko  +   733d ago
The sky looks better but the mountains dont :P
DeadlyFire  +   733d ago
I like the mantle sky.
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porkChop  +   733d ago
The colours on the Mantle version look WAY more realistic. BF3 and BF4 look too saturated and stylized to me. I'd prefer they keep the Mantle version the way it is and fix the DX version.
ninjahunter  +   733d ago
"Mantle glitch causes transition from brown, to grey games, revolution in realism"
I can see the headlines now.
memots  +   733d ago
Sound like someone is trying to make sure direct x doesn't lose on the market. Regardless I have a gtx 770 and I couldn't be happier with everything and the way Bf4 looks.
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mysteryraz11  +   733d ago
its hard to tell its a different view and angle
CyrusLemont  +   733d ago
Could someone please explain to me why this Mantle thing is a big deal? What exactly does it do? Does it effect all games currently made? Will it make AMD gpus better than Nvidias? Tell meeeeeeeeee
codelyoko  +   733d ago
Are you serious bro? o.o. Mantle basically gives you a performance boost without a hardware upgrade.
epoxe  +   733d ago
And , unless your completely dishonest, for most PC gamers will do nothing. It only works on GCN architecture (read AMD cards). It only significantly boosts very low end CPU bound systems. For everyone else, programming hours could be spent on something more impressive than this.
AndrewLB  +   733d ago
Epoxe- Stop repeating this lie. Mantle is NOT tied to any architecture and DOES NOT require GCN.

From AMD's own slide: http://techreport.com/r.x/2...

The only reason why older AMD cards can't use mantle is because AMD didn't include them. same goes for nVidia. the fact remains that GCN is not a requirement.
awi5951  +   733d ago
@epoxe

Just stop amd has said it doesnt have mantel working on crossfire yet so thats the biggest thing they will fix in the next release.
CyrusLemont  +   732d ago
Why did I get disagrees? I didn't understand all the technical jargon relating to this tech so I asked here where someone can give me an easier explanation.

Okay, so it gives a performance boost? Is it significant? Why hasn't it been done before? Does Nvidia have something similar?
epoxe  +   733d ago
Who is taking this seriously? Mantle seems like a wasted effort for anyone with a decent gaming rig. I'm sure this will help little timmy play on grandma's laptop but for the rest of us? MEH. I wish developers would spend more time on things that benefited more than 30% of the install base.
Jack_Of_All_Blades  +   733d ago
You realy just going to say the same thing over and over again? I almost guarantee you are a butthurt NSHITIA fanboy who doesn't want mantle to succeed.
beatled  +   733d ago
amd=crap drivers always

NVidia= pay a bit more and be happy

better performance, better longevity of cards

friends DON"T let friends use amd products
Jack_Of_All_Blades  +   733d ago
Oh please, I couldn't be happier with my HIS IceQx2 7950, OC's like a dream, amazing performance, runs cool, had over a year, maxes all my games. And I've never had a problem with an AMD driver, that is likely for the most part something that may of happened in the past and is noy an issue now but butthurt people like you can never let something go. You just have to feel like your better than everyone else, you are the worst kind of PC gamer, you give us all a bad name. You probably have never even used an AMD card.
kB0  +   733d ago
I do agree Nvidia drivers are much more stable than AMD. It's common knowleds, but the tides can always change.

Before when ATI wasn't part of AMD, and AMD was actually a good company Ati's drivers were some of the best and cost much less than Nvidia.

I remember also modding a 9500 Pro into a 9700 by using a simple flash.

I stopped buying ATI after the 2900 XT (which was a terrible card). Then it was bought by AMD and I bought the 5870 (which was an amazing leap but then had some of the shittiest drivers I've ever dealt with). Now if you look, the 480 GTX and 5870 were neck and neck. The 480 was only a 10% more powerful but cost more. Look at benchies now...the differences are massive.

This is because AMD has a bad habit of stopping support for a lot of their cards. The 480 GTX now looks much more powerful, but the truth is that the 5870 just hasn't seen a decent driver.

I think Mantle is a world class idea, and if it ends up working better than DX 11 I don't think anyways should be pissed or skeptical about it. This could be the new trend we were looking for:)
starchild  +   733d ago
This is a balanced perspective. I've been pretty happy with my HD 7950, just like Jack_of_all_Blades has, but I have to admit that I have had a few more issues with AMD drivers over the years than Nvidia drivers.

I do think the issue gets overexaggerated, though, since Nvidia still has issues from time to time and the problems with AMD's drivers aren't too severe or too often in any case.

I have no favoritism towards either company. I simply buy what I think is best for me at the time.
kB0  +   732d ago
@starchild

Agreed. I do think everyone has a company they would like over the other, but I think people need to step back and look at the bigger picture.

If Nvidia releases a card that is 50% weaker and more expensive, I doubt anyone would say. Hey it's Nvidia, at least drivers are stable...blah blah blah.

Usually for 50% drivers won't have any affect.

Go with the product that best suits the games you'd like to play and the money you'd like to spend.

A brand is only so much, but each company has their advantages and disadvantages...but plz keep the colors green and red out of it:)
xJumpManx  +   733d ago
Who needs Mantle Im fine with my 780ti.

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