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Submitted by typoknight 229d ago | news

Microsoft May Be Losing Games to Sony Because of Slow Communication

Ready to Run may only be a PS4 exclusive because Sony communicates faster than its competitors. Microsoft's slow communication may be costing Xbox One some games. (PS4, Ready To Run, Xbox One)

Godmars290  +   229d ago
Would think their issues with indies would exemplify that. Why wouldn't it show itself with main stream games as well?
maniacmayhem  +   229d ago
This happened with one company and the author chose to throw his opinion in at the very end of the quote. No where does the CEO say the game is exclusive because Sony reached out to us faster.

The articles is two sentences long and comes to the conclusion of the headline?
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theWB27  +   229d ago
Agree. A quote made into an "article" with an assumption thrown in from the "writer." Awesome stuff indeed ; /
vulcanproject  +   229d ago
The bigger you are the slower you move I have observed.

Unless there is a buffet involved.
georgeenoob  +   229d ago
Either way, you better believe MS is in it to win it when it comes to exclusives.
Sayai jin  +   229d ago
The WB- I said the same thing when this articles was up for approval. This is article has an excerpt from the dev (interview), but has the writer's opinion at the end of it. The writers opinion is also in the title.
Godmars290  +   229d ago
Except most of what MS have done with the XB1 has been a case of over self-importance. "Do what we say because we command the industry." From their position on indies to early DRM and Kinect. They've only acted like they need to see people walk across the street to the other guy who does something similar before they change tactics.

And then there's the case with MMOs and F2P. How at this point it looks like an exception when one shows up on any Xbox system because MS's insistence of needing XBL Gold.
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thekhurg  +   229d ago
It's also an indie game - seriously who buys a console for indie games? Get an e-machine from Wal Mart and get them on Steam if that's all you care about.
truefan1  +   229d ago
Indies are important, but it doesn't make sense to buy a next gen console to play indies. I care about the big titles, the ones I actually buy the system to play. All these indies keep talking like someone owns them something. Also wasn't 360 one of the first consoles that gave indy developers a platform to launch their titles with xbox live arcade. Another day more complaining, nothing new.

PS I just watched the reveal trailer, I don't think many people will be hurt if it stays on ps4. It looks like that kids movie cars.
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porkChop  +   229d ago
It's actually a logical assumption. The game is PS4 exclusive, and the develop said they talked with other companies but Sony was the fastest in communication. I don't see the problem here. I mean, yeah, the article is really short and is based on an assumption, but it's a logical one.
TheRedButterfly  +   229d ago
And you wonder why people consider this site the home for a specific brand of fanboy… I wonder why this article was even approved, much less on the front page. - _ -

OT: Is this why Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive are PlayStation exclusives?
UltimateMaster  +   229d ago
Microsoft May Be Losing Games to Sony Because of Slow Communication
Really? I don't think it's an issue...
Angeljuice  +   228d ago
@maniac

You just copy/pasted someone else's comment from the article page.
You should at least acknowledge the original comment, not try to pass it off as your own.
360ICE  +   228d ago
When the quote was:

“Playstation was and still the most open platform for us. We surely talking with other guys, but communication process is faster at Sony.”

Is:

"It seems like Xbox One fans may be missing out on some games due to Microsoft’s slow communication in comparison to Sony."

Really that much of a jump? We know that they're missing out on one, so yes, they may be missing out on some others too.
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Seafort  +   228d ago
@thekhurg You do realise that Respawn Entertainment are an independant developer or "indie" which you despise? The devs that are making Titanfall with backing from EA but are not owned by EA or Microsoft.

Such prejudice from gamers for indie companies which are responsible for most of the best games you play today.

A shame that some people think that all games should be created by a publisher and not indies like Respawn or Epic.
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Giul_Xainx  +   228d ago
Alright seriously... What the heck is going on at Microsoft? Usually Microsoft seals the deal for most developers rather quickly when it comes to competition. Left 4 dead, bioshock, ninja gaiden, hell even mass effect all got deals with Microsoft rather quickly.

If the issue now is time then Microsoft has to "get with the times."

Sony has an aggressive setup this time around and Microsoft should not be sulking around.

I hate to say this but, in this type of setting between businesses, this is usually when a company is looking to sell their brand. If Microsoft's team isn't showing any signs of moving their company forward then expect the xbox brand to be sold within 2 years.

It would be a win for the Sony fans and may leave people a sour taste in their mouth who supported Microsoft being behind the xbox brand. But I seriously think Microsoft is ready to sell the Xbox brand.
dedicatedtogamers  +   229d ago | Well said
I don't think the headline is saying anything we don't already know.

- Adam Orth #dealwithit debacle comes out and Microsoft is silent for months, literally, months until the X1 reveal.

- Fans complain about the X1 policy for months on end and Microsoft shows no signs of backing down...until pre-order numbers come in

- Microsoft has their restrictive indie policy in place for years and only recently loosened up the restrictions.

- Playstation Plus launched nearly 4 years ago and it is only within the last 6 months that Microsoft has started doing freebies and bonuses...and they still can't compare to what PS+ offers

To say that Microsoft "responds slowly" is an understatement. The only thing Microsoft is fast about is flooding the airwaves with PR statements.

EDIT @ below:

The author presupposes "maybe Microsoft's slowness is costing them games". To which I say "yeah, they are pretty slow. Maybe so".

Microsoft has - two consoles in a row - done a phenomenal job of securing 3rd-party support for the first 2-3 years. Microsoft has - two consoles in a row - done a terrible job of maintaining 3rd party exclusives beyond that point. I won't deny that Microsoft has secured some 3rd party exclusives. Obviously, they have. But they've obviously lost out on a lot of games, considering the significant number of indie devs who have spoken out against Microsoft within the last few years.
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maniacmayhem  +   229d ago
And yet MS has secured a good number of 3rd party exclusives for their Xbox One. MS can 't reach out and cater to every single developer in the world. Some are bound to get a call sooner than later.

The same can be said for Sony as I am sure they were slow on a lot of games that they could have secured as their own.

Again I like to point out that everything you have mentioned in your comment has ZERO to do with what this article's author ASSUMES.
maniacmayhem  +   229d ago
@Dedicated

You speak as if you have first hand knowledge of the inner working and production details of MS and game developers. You don't.
The author makes his own opinion that has no claims or proof that due to MS's slowness it's costing them exclusives. From what evidence? The quote the author gives sure doesn't say or suggest that.

How many exclusives did they lose because MS were slow to contact a company back?
What was the reason MS chose to not contact them right away?

And considering the number of indie devs that ARE on board with MS and others who have said they are looking into working with MS how can you say they lost out? On what?
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dedicatedtogamers  +   229d ago
@ maniac

Um, no? I speak as if I have read plenty of reports and quotes from numerous devs over the last few years, leading me to that speculative conclusion. I am happy to say that it is simply speculative, but it is the conclusion I make, nonetheless.

The article - also - seems speculative. The title itself is speculative ("may be losing", not "is definitely losing").

You sure seem to hate speculation, despite the fact that you were swift to speculate yourself: "The same can be said for Sony as I am sure they were slow on a lot of games that they could have secured as their own". (fwiw, I agree with you. It is obvious when Sony has been slow to communicate with devs, i.e. the entire first 3 years of the PS3's lifespan. Right now, based on Sony's rapid acquisition of a ton of indie support, they're certainly acting faster)

Yes, a number of indie devs ARE on board with MS. A number of indie devs AREN'T on board with MS and instead of having to speculate, those indie devs have been very outspoken as to why they are currently avoiding Microsoft. This indie dev said Sony communicates faster. Pretty cut and dry, if you ask me.
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Hicken  +   229d ago
Now THAT'S called using logic, dedicated. Please, try not to destroy people's arguments quite so completely in the future. That can be rather damaging psychologically.

I do think it's funny, though, that maniac came back with the third party exclusives Microsoft "secured" by paying large sums, including at least one documented instance of actually going behind a developer's back. Given their well-known propensity for breaking out the checkbook, it's unlikely that just that one occurrence exists.

By the same token, it's not too likely that this developer's experience with Sony's expedience over that of their competitors is the only time such a thing has happened. After all, this isn't the first game we've heard of that's gonna be on PS4 but not XB1, is it? Yet maniac claims the conclusion reached by the article's author- and, as you pointed out, it's not even posited as a definite, but a possibility- is something that's happened only once.

When you use logic, you look at so much more than just the immediate details of a situation. It allows you to arrive at a more precise conclusion. You can still be wrong, but you're less likely to be so if you take everything into account. Unfortunately, some people don't like to do that, preferring instead to be selective about what "facts" they use, so that they only arrive at the conclusion- speculative or otherwise- they desire.
maniacmayhem  +   229d ago
"The author presupposes "maybe Microsoft's slowness is costing them games""

Based off of what Dedicated? What games have they lost due to them not responding quick enough to a developer? The actual quote the author gives does not ever suggest that MS lost out. The author gives no proof of any other game MS lost due to a slow response. And the many games on Xbox and upcoming games, AAA and indie seems to shoots that theory down real fast.

actual quote:

"Playstation was and still the most open platform for us. We surely talking with other guys, but communication process is faster at Sony."

Dedicated, you speak in broad terms but you never provide any specifics just like this author does. In fact as usual you state a lot of points that have nothing to do with the actual story or topic at hand. Instead it's only to remind people on this site of what MS has done in the past.

Oh goodness, now I know this is all bad when Hicken comes to save you.

@Hicken
Sony fan logic of MS going behind a devs back? I can only assume you're talking about Titanfall.

http://venturebeat.com/2013...
http://www.purexbox.com/new...
http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Notice how each of those stories claims that Respawn is working on an Xbox 720 exclusive?

That's because the rumors of this was way before the reveal of the actual Xbox One console. Now you mean to tell me MS went behind Respawn's back and secretly made a deal with EA and that every journalist and game rumor hound knew and Respawn didn't?

And even if it was possibly a timed exclusive then MS saw the potential and secured it quickly.

"Yet maniac claims the conclusion reached by the article's author- and, as you pointed out, it's not even posited as a definite, but a possibility.."

0_o?? what?

I am talking about the article and what is written. The author takes a quote and turns it into something that has no proof, no meaning and no examples or claims to back it up. Have you even read the article yourself?
The short two paragraphs on this site?
How can the author make a claim that MS may be losing games when there hasn't been nearly enough proof of it? And it's based on a quote that doesn't even suggest they did?

Seriously, I feel like you guys are pranking me right now.

Can you both let you blinders and bias down for just one second and actually take a look at this article and ask yourself if the conclusion the author comes up with based on the info he gives is true.

No, instead you and Dedicated have to fill in the blanks and post unrelated topics about MS that try and fit with the many large holes and baseless assumptions that this article leaves.

Conclusion:
This is exactly what I and others pointed out about you Dedicated. You drum up the negativity and get the simple natives like Hicken all riled up and restless. Look at some of the more even minded comments on here and you'll see that this article(or lack of)is absolutely ridiculous.
dedicatedtogamers  +   229d ago
@ maniac

The developer quoted in the article says "Playstation was and still the most open platform for us. We surely talking with other guys, but communication process is faster at Sony"

Based on that, we can conclude the dev feels

1) PS was and is the most open platform for them
2) Despite talking to other companies, Sony is faster at communicating.

Lastly, we add in the fact that - as of right now - the game appears to be exclusive to the PS platform, correct? It isn't announced for the PS's biggest competitor, X1, correct?

The author, then, speculates and says "huh. This game is exclusive (or at least timed exclusive) and the dev themselves are saying it is because Sony is faster and more open. I wonder if other game devs have had a similar experience".

And lo, other game devs HAVE had a similar experience. These guys are not the first folks to praise Sony and/or bash Microsoft, are they?

Add it all together and you have some speculation based on a fairly firm foundation.

So, now that you know how I (and probably the author, though I can't speak for them) came to my current conclusion, please tell me what facts I've misunderstood.

EDIT: Actually, I saw you have no bubbles. If you'd like to continue the discussion, I'd be happy to continue via PM.
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Hicken  +   229d ago
@maniac: Oh, you. Forever ignoring things that make your argument look silly.

Tell me, why would Respawn come out acting surprised after it was CONFIRMED- not rumored, like everybody was saying prior to that- that it would be an Xbox exclusive for the duration of its life? Why would they lie.

Read Zampella's direct quote here, though I'll post it, anyway http://www.gameinformer.com...

"Always MS exclusive at launch, great partner and focus is good for a startup. EA made a deal for the rest, we only found out recently =("

Seems like Vince is saying they were operating under the impression it was a timed exclusive.

And, earlier that same day... https://twitter.com/VinceZa...

"Of course we will, just not the first Titanfall."

Implying multiple games in the series, and that others could possibly see a Sony platform release.

Actually... http://www.computerandvideo...

"The shooter rotation we think about now is Battlefield, Titanfall and Battlefront, and so we like those three brands going forward," according to EA's Frank Gibeau. This was August, almost exactly two months prior to the announcement that Titanfall would be a generational exclusive. Now, if it were going to be exclusive from the outset, with NO chance of it being on PS4, why would it be included in their shooter rotation? Wouldn't having one game in the rotation as an exclusive actually mess up the rotation?

All signs point to Titanfall being a timed exclusive which Microsoft secured lifetime exclusive rights to without the knowledge of Respawn.

Unless they're lying. And if Zampella lied here- and why would he?- then it's possible the studio lied about the potential "alpha" asset issue as well.

Two of your links even say "rumor" in the URL. Should we believe those rumors over the words straight from EA and Respawn? Weren't you one of the many saying you believed Respawn over insiders just recently? Where the hell do you think these articles you linked got their information?

You're not even making real arguments, anymore. This is too easy.
callahan09  +   228d ago
Presupposes? I do not think that word means what you think it means.
MajorMayhem70  +   228d ago
Is this "one" company that has made this statement and the author of the article states that Xbox could be losing games due to them not communicating fast enough as this "one" company says? Really?!? Has it ever occurred to anybody that maybe, just maybe MS doesn't want this game in their line up. I believe that's still MS's perogativ as to what games they want on their systems. Seems to me somebody is mad that they aren't getting the money that they thought they would cause not as many companies are responding. And I say "companies for the following reason.
First off the article starts of by saying that the game" Ready To Run" may be a PS exclusive ("may" is the keyword here, which means it can go one way or another). The first quote of the CEO developing this game says “Playstation was and still the most open platform for us. We surely talking with other guys, but communication process is faster at Sony.” That's all he says. Is other guys MS or Nintendo or Steam, how about Apple or Android? He says "other guys". Not singling out MS by saying "Microsoft". Guy is singular, guys is plural aka more than one.
Unlike a lot that tend to comment here, I take a lot of these articles with a grain of salt. It's like reading the tabloids. There might be some sort of truth here, but for the most part it's bullshit.
Good day, catch y'all on the next bs article.
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The_Infected  +   229d ago
Microsoft wasn't slow to getting Titanfall first.
Godmars290  +   229d ago
Just securing it as an exclusive so that all the claims they made surrounding it, like what cloud support could do for it, became worthless. That its not any technical issues preventing it from being on the PS4 but contractual.
mcstorm  +   229d ago
Its just another day and another site trying to have a dig at Microsoft. No matter what a company dose someone will always find something to pick at. The PS4, WiiU or Xbox one are not perfect consoles but they are all very good consoles and all offer games us as gamers want. People really need to stop with the negative stuff and start working on the positive side of gaming as it will all end in tears for us gamers.
nukeitall  +   229d ago
@mars:

the technical reason why Titanfalls wasn't and isn't is because MS came back to Respawns request for a need for massive cloud servers. Something Sony couldn't and didn't respond too.

Take it this way, even Killzone Shadowfall, PS4 flagship launch game and IP doesn't have real dedicated servers. It only has P2P with proxy servers.
aragon  +   229d ago
lol very intelligent comment
MajorMayhem70  +   228d ago
Hello
MajorMayhem70  +   228d ago
Helli
Cueil  +   229d ago
It's going to take time to undo the damage Don did to the brand over the few years he ran this division
r1sh12  +   229d ago
How does anyone buy this?
The title is completely misleading.
one game dev said they are 'talking to other guys', yet the article generalises this to every game dev as being the reason why MS are losing to Sony.

It could be Sonys platform is easier to write for and has better hardware specs?

Seriously
otherZinc  +   228d ago
Oh please I don't give a damn about overrated indie games.
I care about the communication with:

TitanFall
Plants vs Zombies
Quantum Break
Halo 5
Forza Horizon 2
Kinect Sports Rivals
& Project Spark

You guys need to stop overrating indie games. Who's buying next-generation consoles to play indie games...Not Me!
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Seafort  +   228d ago
You've just listed an indie game - Titanfall.

Respawn are not owned by any publisher. EA is just funding their game via EA Partners.

Respawn owns the Titanfall IP not EA or Microsoft. This is why I think Respawn will part ways with EA to make Titanfall 2 multiplatform.
TAURUS-555  +   228d ago
xbox1 is dead truste me
BallsEye  +   228d ago
Funny how because of some developer of unknown game suddenly we have 3 lines article but when all other devs say MS gives free dedicated servers, let me underline this MOST POWERFUL SERVER NETWORK in the world for free and send their own men to help out with development difficulties there is no articles at all, no praising as well. Typical n4g.
MasterCornholio  +   229d ago
Thats very interesting.
Sayai jin  +   229d ago
Which part? The excerpt from the dev or the writer's opinion?
MasterCornholio  +   229d ago
The excerpt from the developer. The writers opinion I could care less about.
Sayai jin  +   229d ago
Yeah it makes you wonder how much of this goes on.
Kavorklestein  +   229d ago
Stupidest thing I have ever clicked on... Flamebait times 2000000000 percent. Nobody gives half of half a fuck about that studio or it's game.. besides those devs themselves.... Indie devs are the last to get a free pass, if they make a big hit, THEN they become relevant. If it's their first game, we gotta be able to play it before it will ever be wanted/needed.
This is why kickstarter is cool, but flawed in it's existence... instead of getting approval from a publisher (who has experience with discerning a given dev/dev studio's credibility/quality/qualificat ions) devs get to gamble with OTHER people's money, not a studio who is in the business for SPECIFICALLY that.
LennyLovespuds  +   229d ago
"Recently announced Ready to Run may only be a PlayStation 4 exclusive because Sony communicates faster than its competitors.

Communication Xbox Please Wait

Alexey Menshikov, CEO of Beatshapers, the developer of Ready to Run, told GamerFitNation that “Playstation was and still the most open platform for us. We surely talking with other guys, but communication process is faster at Sony.”

It seems like Xbox One fans may be missing out on some games due to Microsoft’s slow communication in comparison to Sony."

The entire article. There ya go, I saved you all a click.
alejandroelputo  +   229d ago
The article needs clicks so they can make money, and if they make money they will make more articles.
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LennyLovespuds  +   229d ago
In that case, make an article that comprises of more than two broken up paragraphs. This kind of 'article' is not worth the new tab.
redtideone11  +   229d ago
Microsoft should just go back to pc. lets go back to the time when it was only Nintendo and Sony fighting over the gaming market. just look at how many more games there was.
theWB27  +   229d ago
So you must be completely oblivious to what's happening over in Nintendo land.
maniacmayhem  +   229d ago
And now look at how many MORE games there are because MS is in the console market.

I say we go back to the SNES, Genesis days. Just look at how much better the games were without DLC, and microtransactions.

But that's just my nostalgia talking. The video game industry has come a long way and for the better.
dedicatedtogamers  +   229d ago
We'd need another SEGA for that to happen, but sadly no one except for Nintendo is in a position to be that sort of company. Sony is...kind of able to do it, but it's clear that they also add in the needs of their other divisions (music, movies, etc) into the design process of their hardware. Microsoft is becoming more and more of a "services" company so I don't think they could fill those shoes, either.

An inexpensive ($175-275) console with no frills and only a focus on gaming would do quite well in this day and age, I think. Problem is, 3rd parties typically shun these sort of consoles (see every Nintendo console since SNES; every SEGA console since Genesis/MegaDrive) which would require an incredibly powerful 1st-party lineup.

Again, only Nintendo is in a position to pull that off. I think indies are - somewhat - filling the shoes of all those wonderful B-grade games that we got during those early eras. Games like Toejam&Earl or Mutant League Football (ironic) or Earthbound simply aren't going to be made by big companies in this day and age anymore.
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Nocando  +   229d ago
Hate to tell you this but Sony has only been in the gaming market since '94. You speak as if they were the only players ever.
Kavorklestein  +   229d ago
Yeah, for reals. Well Said!(bubble for you^^^) I think some people think that just because Sony have been in the game longer than MS, that they have been around longer and done more for gaming than Nintendo. When they have not, and in this generation, MS has actually done more game-changing feats to sculpt the new ways we all play, and drive the industry forward than Sony has... Next gen remains to be seen, but honestly all 3 companies feed off each other's features/flaws/ideas, so really, fighting about the core dynamics of who has done what is about the dumbest thing you can do with your time. Instead, focus on what you want to play, and folks need to stop bashing a companies core drive and principles, (as if they know them anyway...) That's like trying to guess at the unknown, it is just speculation, and it makes the people who do it look dumber than if they had said nothing.
Cueil  +   229d ago
you and the 10 people who hit agree are what I affectionately call Sony Ponies... GTFO of here...you're mindless drivel is a waste of every gamers time on this site
Seafort  +   228d ago
No thanks I don't want Microsoft back to PC. They've made it plainly obvious they want nothing to do with PC gaming.
Let them sink with their Xbox console and hopefully their games division is put to rest by the new CEO.
quaneylfc  +   229d ago
They need communication on a human level, not a corporate one. this is a quote from a Sony representative on Drive-club's delay:

'No point in it coming out and half doing that job' that's all he said and needed to say, stating the obvious works.
CrossingEden  +   229d ago
That's not how communication works. For the love of god. Game devs and Sony do not sit down for a cup of tea to discuss these things. Please educate yourself about how business works. EVERYTHING when it comes to getting exclusives and such is done through communicating on a corporate email after many days of discussion and planning.
quaneylfc  +   229d ago
I wasn't talking about sercuring exclusives you silly twat. I was talking about communication with the public.
TheKayle1  +   229d ago
what type of games they are talking? maybe maybe certain indie dev...who need to get money fast...but for sure not aaa titles
True_Samurai  +   229d ago
It's an Indie title. I looked it up and watched the trailer :-p
TheKayle1  +   229d ago
yeah in fact i didnt not found any screenshot on google of this ready to run ..ahahah..embarassing
christocolus  +   229d ago
I agree. At the begining they were quite slow but they are doing a lot better now. Phil Spencer and Chris Charla seem to be doing a really good job so far.

Chris Charla is expected to announce the first wave of indie titles sometime next month and its also rumored that Johnathan blow( ms biggest critic) is coming on board too,i believe ms is doing a far better job now at communicating with devs.
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DigitalRaptor  +   229d ago
The communication is better on Sony's part. I'd think that goes without saying.

Whilst Phil Spencer is attempting to exemplify his passion for games as head of MGS (I don't buy his comments as anything more than PR, because where were they months ago?), people like Shahid Kamal, Adam Boyes and even Yoshida-san have been communicating on a personal level and even over Twitter with developers large and small - with genuine passion for what a developer is bringing to the table.

I'm not saying MS doesn't communicate, but their recent delay with getting indie developers on board and their HUGE disconnect with what they have produced with the Xbone and what consumers and gamers want shows that their communication in regards to what is important, is lacking. They need to think of developers as people with passion to create something new and affecting, rather than corporate slaves to their drive to succeed.
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MightyNoX  +   229d ago
Microsoft's Shooter/Sport push has been impressive. They're quick to secure Titanfall, Gears to latch on to their audience.

On the indie front, I agree they were slow. When they did a 180 on their Id@box policies, they merely let out a quiet peep on twitter. I forget who it was Blow, or Fish who angrily tweeted Greenberg "You should have let people know!"
Kavorklestein  +   229d ago
@ DigitalRaptor
In the long run, the indie dev-to finished game/and/or support process has far less to do with anything really important to any given console's relativity.
In other words, NOBODY goes to shop for a game console thinking:"Oh boy, I sure do want which ever system has the most simplified/compatible platform for underground sleeper hit games!" No, they do not, and acting as such is fucking retarded.
MS is getting their AAA and exclusive game situation all ready to roll out and execute quickly and efficiently. And do whatever else they can to do all the things that they feel they NEED, to do, as well as all the internet douchebags are trying to DEMAND that they should do.
Just like Sony is.
Both are doing their best to do the best they can, and both are going to be striving for excellence in as many ways as they possibly can to accomplish this. Anything other than understanding that fact is ignorant, plain and simple.
Which ever one you prefer is the only difference.
Don't bash EITHER company for focusing on what they find important to them, in the order that they find will work, (I mean, if you were supposed to be deciding what ______ company should be doing, YOU would work for that company, no?) And stop taking mostly irrelevant indie dev's quips with a company as THE DEFINING FLAW of their business model. Same thing with resolution complaints, and other little bashings of minor issues... We have all seen, and already know that these factor in to the market in a smaller way than the exaggeration crowd seems to remember. I remember having sub par resolutions and frame rates on ALMOST EVERY MULTIPLATFORM GAME for ps3 and 360.. did that stop either one from selling well?
Oh hell no. Oh fuck no. Did that really factor into anybody's decision for their purchase? Not really, or else MS would have wiped their asses with Sony's face last gen.
And that didn't happen. in fact, both systems sold extremely well, and the PS3, ended up selling more units globally than the 360, even though it would appear that MS was mostly dominant for the majority of the generation.

Long story short, let time tell the story, and let some time pass, let more games come out before acting as if you know everything... instead of being gypsy ass fortune tellers, and bashing shit that we really have no idea about.
After all, it's about the games, not the system, otherwise, the handheld market which release systems that are ALWAYS inferior to the consoles would have no market, and would cease to exist on the scale that it does. With the 3ds trumping ALL of the consoles ever made.... So yeah, good first and third party games equal a good system PERIOD.
Indie support/streamlining is just a bonus, not a defining factor.

P.S. Sorry for the novel I wrote. but I had to cover all the bases of my thought process.

EDIT: Added P.S. Apology.
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WeAreLegion  +   229d ago
Money talks...and that's how Microsoft communicates.
LogicStomper  +   229d ago
I'd laugh if all this 'communication' was actually 'under the table' communication from both companies.
Budobear  +   229d ago
Most seem be be getting more exclusives at the moment surely.
Qwagy UK  +   229d ago
slow communication! slow hardware more like.
HappyWithOneBubble  +   229d ago
Good MS need to leave gaming. All they care about is shooters. Titanfall, Gears, timed exclusive COD/BF DLC, and yearly Halo HD remakes.
LogicStomper  +   229d ago
" All they care about is shooters. Titanfall, Gears, timed exclusive COD/BF DLC, and yearly Halo HD remakes."

Therefore,

"MS need to leave gaming."

Already a logical failure I see. You state that they care about shooting games, and then conclude that they should leave gaming. If anything, this actually undermines your conclusion. Seeing as it already failed the logical task, your argument fails, but I'll also test plausibility just cause.

" All they care about is shooters. Titanfall, Gears, timed exclusive COD/BF DLC, and yearly Halo HD remakes."

Is this a plausible statement to make? Well, there's Ryse, which is not a shooter. There's also Forza, which also is not a shooter. So is it plausible that all they care about is shooters? Nope.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   229d ago
Looks like he REALLY hurt your feelings.
madjedi  +   229d ago
Damn and i thought i was anal, yes it is a poor statement but looking at ms's exclusive retail releases the last several yrs vs sony's, it's not too far off the mark.

Look at the variety ms showed in the first couple yrs of the 360 vs the last 4, you can basically narrow it down to forza, gears(used to be epics), fable and halo.

It is a little better now with the xbox one, but i am not expecting more than 3-4 yrs worth of effort, before they say let the third parties take care of them again.

They could surprise me but, i think that 1 billion for games development budget is already tied up.

Somebody is trying a little too hard to be eloquent, that or believes using more sophisticated language somehow denotes that the speaker is at a higher lvl of intelligence/sophistication than others.

Still doesn't make it look any less pompous or overblown.
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LogicStomper  +   228d ago
@ThatCanadianGuy

I never realised analysing arguments = having feelings hurt. I put forward no emotion into the comment, all I did was analyse it. Just out of interest, could you tell me how you thought my feelings were hurt? I'm just curious about the mentality of some people.

@madjedi

"Damn and i thought i was anal, yes it is a poor statement but looking at ms's exclusive retail releases the last several yrs vs sony's, it's not too far off the mark.

Look at the variety ms showed in the first couple yrs of the 360 vs the last 4, you can basically narrow it down to forza, gears(used to be epics), fable and halo. "

Agreed.

"It is a little better now with the xbox one, but i am not expecting more than 3-4 yrs worth of effort, before they say let the third parties take care of them again.

They could surprise me but, i think that 1 billion for games development budget is already tied up. "

A bit of opinion, so I won't judge.

"Somebody is trying a little too hard to be eloquent, that or believes using more sophisticated language somehow denotes that the speaker is at a higher lvl of intelligence/sophistication than others.

Still doesn't make it look any less pompous or overblown."

As a matter of fact, I wasn't trying to be eloquent, I was only following procedure for analysing an argument. I'm not attempting to show higher level of intelligence at all, it's just the language used when analysing arguments. It doesn't matter how large or small someone's vocabulary is, you judge arguments by it's substance, not the source. So I suggest you analyse my argument itself rather than me.
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Saito  +   229d ago
Don't worry MS will push some games out to please us gamers, but they won't match Sony in the end. Either way, both companies will be successful. Great competition.
norman123  +   229d ago
I don't understand why this site, n4g, is promoting any negatives about MS but disregard any negative about Sony. The same to Sony fans.

is it because of sony fans that make ads more clickable? Or because Sony is a good guy while MS is a bad guy?

if you think Sony is a good guy, check out their proprietary memory stick on their dominant cameras/devices (used to be).
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madjedi  +   229d ago
No this is because 7 yrs ago n4g was ms heaven, everyday we would get 3 or 4 ps3 is doomed articles from the various website blogs ect.

And xbox fans happily roasted the ps3 and sony fans alive over it everyday, many of the people that had to tolerate that bullshit feel it is payback time.

The more popular system will have the more numerous voices, ms has almost handed sony this gen on a silver platter after their numerous insert foot into mouth decisions.

This isn't some media agenda to bash ms, compared to the early ps3 days this is very tame. Shit happens every gen.
cabbitwithscissors  +   228d ago
It's in your mind. Just because you're supporting the MS causes you to zoom in to the negatives being mentioned about them, and then assuming that a lot of people on N4G are anti-MS.

In fact there is a whole horde of MS fans here. You can find them in MS related articles as well as anti-Sony articles. :D
Dumbledoor  +   229d ago
This is a very poorly thought out article. If anything Microsoft has done more to secure exclusives and provide games than Sony for this generation. Though both companies need to do much more!
KNWS  +   229d ago
Microsoft could buy out Sony with its pocket change. Sony is tiny compared to Microsoft. Reality is Sony has serious financial problems and its more likely Sony will struggle to support new IP's or buy them out.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...
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aragon  +   229d ago
ms has done a good job securing 3rd party exclusives, sunset overdrive, quantum break, COD With MECHS, i think ms communicates when they want to, but also i think they look at numbers, will indie games make more than aaa games? But ms has been communicating with the hits they have coming no one can say they are not communicating smartly
H0RSE  +   229d ago
Couldn't this same logic be applied to why Titanfall was initially announced for X1 first? (before it was solidified as exclusive) Respawn approached both companies with their wants/needs, and MS delivered:

"I personally talked to both Microsoft and Sony and explained that we need to find a way to have potentially hundreds-of-thousands of dedicated servers at a price point that you can’t get right now. Microsoft realized that player-hosted servers are actually holding back online gaming and that this is something that they could help solve, and ran full-speed with this idea.

The Xbox group came back to us with a way for us to run all of these Titanfall dedicated servers and that lets us push games with more server CPU and higher bandwidth, which lets us have a bigger world, more physics, lots of AI, and potentially a lot more than that!"

- John Shiring; Respawn Entertainment engineer

http://www.respawn.com/news...
DJMarty  +   229d ago
Bollocks, It's the shitty X1 hardware specs/performance, thats handing the PS4 better dev support.

PS4 has a better price point, better hardware specs, better sales, better dev support, better framerates/better resolutions, better games.

4>1 always will be:)
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Flames76  +   229d ago
Yet RYSE is the best looking game on any platform.Also BF4 looks better on the X1 with brighter visuals and more detailed.Thats a fact EA has said that.Fact is the X1 just has better hardware
DivineAssault  +   229d ago
nothing EA says is FACT.. Every single multiplat game looks & performs btr on PS4 so far & i HIGHLY doubt thats changing, in fact i believe it will widen & ps4 will look far ahead soon enough.. xbox one is weaker & thats FACT.. Heres some food for thought too

http://gamingbolt.com/indus...
ASH_ufo  +   228d ago
are you blind?
ASH_ufo  +   228d ago
and better fans)
Flames76  +   229d ago
What games would that be fanboy article?
kriauciuniux  +   229d ago
Sonnygers
sonnygers everywhere. That theory is based on nothing absolutely nothing, yet people enjoy it here.
>One company doesn't get reply's as fast for reasons unknown to us.
>Hurr Microshills won't have games but sony is because sony is a nice fella.
These articles have to stop no matter how good it makes PS owners feel.
DivineAssault  +   229d ago
or because they have their priorities in the wrong place..
kewlkat007  +   229d ago
LOL at this article...how this crap get approved. Amazing the sh!t people believe with opinion pieces worth 2 sentences..etc
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jollygoodchap8  +   229d ago
This site really needs a bubble down system for ignorance, straight up lying, irrational fanboyism, no logic or zero common sense.
madjedi  +   229d ago
Umm both the user names have positive and negative bubble action and the site itself has a both a positive and negative choice just press the + symbol next to the link.

As for the various bubble down offenses the first one is unavoidable, 2nd can easily be confused because of false information/ignorance.

3rd then we wouldn't have many articles to begin with, (no logic) plenty of people can have reasons that are perfectly logical to them, yet will be illogical to others. And that is a oxymoron because common sense definitely is not that common.

Not sure if your referring to posters or articles.
urwifeminder  +   229d ago
No matter I am drowning in the joy of Forza 5 and Ryse go slow as you want MS just keep giving us these great games.
linkenski  +   229d ago
Not to change the subject but this seems to be a huge issue for Nintendo as well.
Iamnemesis4880  +   229d ago
Still MS could never come close to the EA servers
Picnic  +   228d ago
6 months and counting since Julie Larson Green became Xbox chief and not a word from her to Xbox buyers or potential buyers. Nothing, in these days of multiple communication ways in mass media, on the off chance that knowing that the head of the product actually wants your money might drive sales or show the tiniest bit of respect about your fans. That's what I call slow communication.

Sack her. You don't get my money until it happens.
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Nine_Thousaaandd  +   228d ago
I wouldn't go as far to say, Microsoft is losing games to Sony. Much as I am a fan of Playstation...Microsoft has done a pretty good job at locking down big 3rd party exclusives, such as Titanfall. Seems clear to me, that Microsoft may be neglecting some Indie developers because of focus on bigger titles. While over at Sony, they are focused on Indie and AAA titles from 1st party developers. Microsoft has, and will always purchase rights to AAA 3rd party titles to keep the Xbox competitive. And there will be those moments where the developer will choose Xbox over Playstation for personal reasons...and the same goes for Playstation over Xbox. That being said...Indie games will be slow on Xbox til Microsoft secures AAA 3rd party titles. While Sony will answer much faster to Indie developers to secure exclusives or multiplatform with these games. Sony made it clear at E3, that Indie development will be at the forefront for PS4...along with 1st party development.

"Ready to Run may only be a PS4 exclusive because Sony communicates faster than its competitors." Yup, sounds about right.
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   228d ago
Wow. That title is an oversimplification. Games get turned down all the time, I would think. Sony probably just casts a bigger net is all; MS probably focusing on big title$$.
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MCTJim  +   228d ago
Wow, what a click bait article. I dont care which console you prefer, but I know click bait when I read it.
xJumpManx  +   228d ago
Indie sand casual games can be skipped IMO. Rarely if ever have any interest in that crap.
Advanxed  +   228d ago
If they didnt reply right away it obviously wasnt important enough.

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