It may be just an estimate at this point, but Michael Pachter believes the PlayStation Vita sold 4.2 million units in all of 2013, while Famitsu’s sales figures show the handheld moved just shy of 1.2 million Vitas in Japan throughout 2013. - PSLS
How bout you start paying Third Parties to bring games over like GTA, Final Fantasy, MGS, Monster Hunter, Bioshock, Resident Evil, Tom Clancy, Dead Space, and more. As well as support it with your first party line up like I don't know Jak & Daxter, Socom, Twisted Metal, inFAMOUS, Gran Turismo, & more. Also how about cutting the price of the Memory Cards. I don't care if I get disagreed to smothering. The fact is they're not paying Third Party developers to bring games to the system or even trying to support it with first party games. Therefore NO!!! it won't sell like the PSP. The Vita is a powerful handheld system but PlayStation takes to long to support their products unless it's a PS Console. To me it just seems like a add on to the PS4 with 2-3 good games at the end of year for it with no advertisement awareness for the thing.
Tell me about it... Sony seems to have thrown their hands up in the air, ready to admit defeat. ... what the hell. The device has tons of potential.
Yeah its unfortunate, the ps vita has become the "wii u of portables". vs Sure it is, those who like wii u say it's actually really good also, personally I'm not saying fans of either platform are wrong just pointing out it's unfortunate that both are flopping in general and especially when you look at the success of their predecessors. I think that speaks to a greater problem that outside of their loyal fanbase there is a lack of demand by the general public. Nintendo seems to be headed to licensing their brand characters to make up for some of its lost revenue, sony needs a plan to spur sales, maybe sell it dirt cheap and pay for lots of purpose built exclusives that take advantage of vital specific hardware but honestly I just don't think outside of Japan dedicated portables are a big draw besides young children and Nintendo DS is plenty for them.
@4Sh0w Yeah, the only difference is the PS Vita is actually good.
I would rather own a vita than PS4, I can't understand the low sales
Do you guys not understand it takes money to pay third party developers. Given their current financial state I would assume Sony is risk averse. Sony is smart by investing its resources into the ps4. The vita was a shot in the dark, they never had a chance to be a big player in handhelds. If ps4 players being able to play ps4 remotely isn't enough to entice people, there is not much else you can do.
^^^ Wow, for once i can actually agree with your @$$ But the first guy actually has alot of good ideas. Sony, listen to this guy and do what you can.
It is a great system, I'm sure when ps now rolls out there will be much more incentive to owning it, seeing how it's all about the games. true third party support comes by number of owners of the system, not by paying them to support it.
Well it's not surprising. It's because smartphones have eaten up most of the market. Curse you Angry Birds! Curse you and your ilk!
They really needed to secure Mon Hun... but gave it up to Nintendo.
Even Sony admits the PS Vita doesn't have a very strong audience. But it is still there. I whipped out my wallet for a few titles so far but since a lot of them are PS3 ports.... I just buy the PS3 version. Sure they come attached with the vita version, but playing them on a big screen is just much more satisfying. But they need to make more games that utilize the touch screen whilst also not interfering with my line of sight to the vita. I like action games, but with every handheld device.... if you are constantly shaking the screen and can't see it... it isn't very much fun. For example: The World Ends With You. Fun, but not fun at the same time. (I know it is for the DS trolls.) Zero Escape: Virtues Last reward: perfect example of how easy it is for me to actually SEE what I am doing and enjoy the game. Super Stardust Delta. Another great example of ease of play. Uncharted Golden Abyss. perfect example of what a game should be.
“We Don’t Think the Vita’s Going to Sell as Well as PSP” What tipped you off, Sony?
If they'd hurry up and release the 2000 model stateside, they'd have my money. I really want one for Remote Play and my PS+ Vita backlog, but I'm holding out for a 2000. Unfortunately, I don't want the swapped X and O buttons from a Japanese import, and a UK import would cost even more than one from Japan!
@xyakuza the Wii U is a great system and an amazing concept. Although remote play is flawed. (has to be reasonably close, and pointing at the system I've found.), also the problem with games and struggling to secure third party games. I do think ninty should do a one off of Super Smash/PS All Stars. that would sell like ice cream on a summers day. while the Wii U seems to be selling like ice cream during winter.
Only reason I bought a psp was because liberty city stories and vice city stories. So I agree with you. No reason for me to invest in a vita. I agree that they should have an infamous spinoff
not to mention they are at a huge disadvantage when the 3DS has sold 35+ million units more than it. Developers want to make money so they are going to make games for the handheld with the larger install base. Kinda hard for Capcom to want to develop a new Monster Hunter game for the Vita and get sales of like 250-500K when they can make it for the 3DS and get sales of 10+ million.
Yeah pretty much, it's not like they don't have developers trust I'm tied though, part of me wants more support for the PSV the other would rather they focus on the PS4 since they are on a role.
Since most of the sony owned devs have more than one team i dont understand why they dont just have one team make vita titles and the other teams make ps3/4 titles. MM did it with tearaway while developing a ps4 game. I think thats a wise move but we should get more of this. The handling of the vita confuses me a bit..
1. Cut the price to $150. 2. Let people save games to their game carts w/o needing a separate memory card. 3. Reduce the price of the memory cards until it no card is over $20 <-- Dead Serious here its a tiny piece of plastic with even tinier piece of metal. 4. Release platformers. With a screen as beautiful as the VITA's... it would be awesome. Done. Don't even talk to me until the memory card issues is seriously addressed. Other than that the system is awesome.
Ur probably gunna get soooo much hate for saying all that but screw it i'll get hate with you. Im a big sony fan but they're messing up with the vita at the moment. I agree with all those points especially the prices.
***"3. Reduce the price of the memory cards until it no card is over $20"*** I strongly agree with this. I know the mem cards are proprietary, but paying over $20 just so that I can save my game files without worrying about space just doesn't fly nowadays. I also agree with the $150 price point. It's the only way I see the Vita getting off the shelves on a consistent basis.
"2. Let people save games to their game carts w/o needing a separate memory card" This is so simple and basic yet Sony F'ed this up so badly -_- "4. Release platformers. With a screen as beautiful as the VITA's... it would be awesome." Why wasn't the puppeteer released on the platform, WHY SONY?!?!
Sony make a loss on the Vita You might get a Vita for $150 But then there is no way you'd get the cards for less then $20 as Sony would be making a HUGE loss. So it's one or the other I'm afraid Sony are not stupid they have to make money some how and unless the Vita does a PS3 and sells so many they make a profit you won't see a huge reduction on cards or games for a LONG time. Maybe even not at all as it's not selling enough now for that to ever happen.
Release ps2 classics on the vita. Psx classics on psp saved the system for me. It blew my mind to play Xenogears and Chrono Cross on the go. I'd love Persona 3 FES, Xenosaga, Rouge Galaxy, FF12, Valkyrie Profile 2, and Star Ocean 3 among others. I love the updated games like P4 Golden and FFX vita but I'd take a large dump of ps2 classics since most won't get remastered. I do want a SMT Nocturne vita remaster though. Il never give up hope for that and Xenosaga collection.
I think bringing the memory cards down to Earth would go a long way for them. I've got no problem dropping $200 for a Vita (2000 model, pls), but the thought of dropping another $100 on a memory card (gotta get the biggest) is NOT appealing.
Okay, but if you look back at the PSP, it only had third-party games from the West for about the first 18 months. After that, it was MOnster Hunter, niche Japanese games, and games developed in-house by Sony (like God of War, Daxter, that Ratchet and Clank game, Gran Turismo, etc)
Since when does a hardware developer get in the habit of PAYING other 3rd party devs to put games on their system? Of course this might happen once in a while, but not every major game. If Sony did that, then all 3rd party devs would withhold their games since they'll feel entitled for an up-front pay-out. If the publisher wants money, then publish the games themselves on the consoles.
Microsoft does it all the time and look where it got them.
bought vita day one, i have like 6 vita games that i bought at 40 bucks new about 6 ps1 games 3 psp games i spent close to 700 dollars the first 3 months for the vita before ps+, but i havent bought a new game in over six months and im barely starting to need new games. I dont regret it at all but it just trips me out how expensive it actually was at the start to own a vita, now new owners feel bad about paying more than 180....hmmm
@Prodigy_X "How bout you start paying Third Parties to bring games over like GTA, Final Fantasy, MGS, Monster Hunter, Bioshock, Resident Evil, Tom Clancy, Dead Space, and more. " uh, no? That's the exact problem the PSP faced, Playstation PORT-able. Why would anyone want slimed down ports of series they can enjoy much better on a full Playstation console? Killzone, Resistance, etc - none of those ever strike as "must by a Vita!" games. What they need to do is make new IPs that are solely exclusive to the PS Vita that can't be found or enjoyed anywhere else. If Vita has Uncharted, I'm not gonna feel too bad about missing out on it because the PS3 does too. And better. They need that Pokemon, that Monster Hunter. Something that isn't just a port. HOWEVER, a GTA Vita game would be beyond stellar lol. San Andreas Stories anyone?
Vita is slowly getting stronger. 2014 will be good, 2015 even better, for both 3DS & Vita. The PS4 growing in popularity will only help the Vita in the long run and Sony already said they plan to support it for 10 years, so it's going to improve,just not as fast as we had hoped in the beginning. Stay positive.
Sony is pretty quick to abandon things that aren't a console, remember the eye toy? Or the ps move? Or that gun peripheral?
Sony is facing reality unlike some company and fanatics that thought everything is well when sales don't back up the sentiment. Say anything describing reality about certain company and you'll be met with abuse and disagrees. Anyway, Sony needs to flood the vita with quality games . Also having games like gta v, proper cod, proper assassins creed, battlefield, gran turismo, Along with some really strong titles would help a lot.
sounds like the same recipe to help the Wii U.
I was thinking of getting a Vita, but the thing that put me off was the Data charges they have in place. I mean, it would cost me close to £20 to play it a decent amount each month (As the main use for it for me would be remote play with the PS4)
Don't forget the ridiculously priced proprietary storage as well. It's funny that Sony gets a free pass on that, when MS got hammered for the same thing with the 360.
@anewguy A free pass? They are been hammered for over priced memory with their pockets. I haven't bought a vita even though I want one cause if the expensive memory A vita + good memory + game = $300+ easily
What are you talking about, "data charges"?
***Don't forget the ridiculously priced proprietary storage as well. It's funny that Sony gets a free pass on that, when MS got hammered for the same thing with the 360.*** http://n4g.com/news/1338783... http://n4g.com/news/1156786... http://n4g.com/news/1254021... http://n4g.com/news/1430390... http://n4g.com/news/1179309... http://n4g.com/news/847565/... http://n4g.com/news/894505/... And that's from a first page of results from a Google search. The thing is, Vita's card price issues are over 2 years old. They've been talked over to death and are seen as one of the main reasons is is "failing". I guarantee there are more articles complaining about the price of PSVita cards than there are articles complaining about Xbox 360 proprietary HDDs.
@ POG data charges only apply to the 3G version, which i do believe is no longer in production. you're also a greenpowerz/morepowerofgreen alt account, so we know that not only do you not have a PS4, but you don't have any intention of buying anything playstation. so, nice try. time to delete that account, and go back to your normal self instead of pretending to be pro-sony.
Even if it doesn't sell as much, it can still be a success.
what about borderlands?
That doesn't sound too good for investors.. Recently got one for classic jrpgs..playing FFF9 again
Sony isn't doing well on the investment side of things at all. That's why they are pumping so much into the PS brand lately.
I think investors appreciate realism and being frank. Besides, it doesn't necessarily have to be as successful as the PSP to be successful. For instance, the Vita is likely to have a much higher attach rate, which will still represent good profits.
So let put what u said into actual math Just example: Psv: 10mil unit sold, 5mil bought a game -> 50% attach rate PSP: 50 mil unit sold, 10mil bought a game -> 20% attach rate So what u are saying is that the less unit you sell, the higher attach rate = more profit? You should apply for PR position immediately, cause we need PR who has your spinning caliber.
Partially, yes. Except the Vita is more likely to have an attach rate of 2+. Not for any individual game, which wouldn't interest investors so much, but with the overall library. According to VGChartz(yeah, yeah, I know), the Vita's attach rate is a 2.72, not that far behind the 3DS' 2.98. However, the Vita's likely to have a higher actual rate, as it's a much more digital-friendly system. http://www.vgchartz.com/ana... I can't give an exact number at the moment, but I've bought an easy dozen games for my Vita so far(not including the stuff free through Plus), and I get the feeling from other Vita owners that 5+ paid-for games isn't unusual. Also consider money from the memory cards, which no one but Sony makes. This has its pros and its cons, but the end monetary result is another revenue stream generated by way of the Vita. The PSP's memory cards weren't proprietary, and we also made by multiple manufacturers, so that wasn't nearly the same level of income. This, then, also becomes something positive investors can look toward. Thanks to PS+, that's another way the Vita can make money that the PSP didn't have. By now, I don't think Plus needs any explanation, so I'll skip that. Overall, even if the Vita doesn't sell as much as the PSP, it CAN bring in as much money as its predecessor. That's not saying it WILL, but it's certainly possible. In any case, my main point was that investors would rather hear that you have a solid grasp on the reality of the situation- which allows you to do something with a larger chance of positively affecting it- than to be blindly or overly optimistic.
Investor here. It's really nothing to be too concerned about. Vita was never their money maker. The PS4 is...though I'm getting worried. Microsoft's pockets run VERY deep and that's beginning to show.
You think it wont sell as well? I regret the hell out of buying mine along with my WiiU. Both are basically abandon by their manufacturers and have minimal support. Now Sony is trying to sell it more as a PS4 add-on instead of an incredible handheld. Announce some games! Edit: Yes the WiiU has games, but I expected more than Mario Suicide 19. Get off the casual crap and make a game!
Wow, you actually regret buying a Vita? I really like mine, its such a great system. I just wish it could do even more simple things (but they may come through firmware updates)
I also regret buying mine. I just haven't sold it as I wouldn't want to have to buy another if something great happened. Even Remote Play is useless to me. The only thing I'm hoping for ATM is games like Watch Dogs and the Division that have tablet gameplay, is that the Vita can be used as a tablet substitute in those games. It is a bad purchase and have turned my friends away from it as well ATM. Edit: spelling @Legion I have plus so I have all those, there is 10 or so? I don't have the ports because I own them on console. I am against digital Now I have UC, AC3l, SS, Battle Royale, Valhalla Knights and I know I'm missing a couple
What games have you guys played? Full titles: Tearaway Killzone: Mercenary Assassin's Creed III: Liberation Any of the Atelier series Disgaea 4 Dragon's Crown Gravity Rush Jak & Daxter HD Collection LittleBigPlanet Vita Metal Gear Solid HD Collection MLB 12/13: The Show Muramasa Rebirth New Little King's Story Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus 1 and 2 PS All-Stars Battle Royale Rayman Origins Shinobido 2 Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time Sonice & All-Stars Racing Transformed Soul Sacrifice The Walking Dead Touch My Katamari Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 Uncharted: Golden Abyss Wipeout 2048 Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward (If you don't have it on 3DS already) And don't forget imports like Phantasy Star Online 2 and Final Fantasy Type-0 Download Only: Earth Defense Force 2017 Portable Chronovolt Dragon Fantasy Book I & II Escape Plan Farming Simulator (No, I'm not kidding.) Floating Cloud God Saves the Pilgrims Guacamelee! Hotline Miami Jacob Jones and the Bigfoot Mystery Jet Set Radio (Obviously) Limbo (If you haven't played it already) Motorstorm: RC Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee HD Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD Pixeljunk Monsters Ultimate Retro City Rampage Sound Shapes Spelunky Stealth Inc. Sumioni: Demon Arts Super Stardust: Delta Tales From Space: Mutant Blobs Attack Terraria Thomas Was Alone Velocity Ultra VVVVVV Zombie Tycoon 2 Not to mention PSP/Minis/PS Mobile/PS1. The PSP games benefit from using a second analog stick, too.
I didn't say it was a bad system, the hardware is fantastic. I own about 10-11 games for it, which for being out on the market as long as it has isn't good. Plus when you consider that basically nothing is announced that I would consider a AAA title, it isn't a good sign either. Sony treats it as an afterthought which when you consider the great hardware, is a crime.
Guy, the system has been out since feb of 2012, i dont know how many games you think most people buy but the number is around 2-3 games a year, so you're already buying more than the average person. And did you get Killzone Mercs? I thought that was excellent for it. I still cant believe a handheld can do graphics as good as KZ or UC. I dont know what to tell you, other than its not your cup of tea.
I don't recommend Jak Collection on the Vita. That port of the excellent PS3 compilation fell short of even the original PS2 versions. Ys and Persona 4 deserve an honorable mention.
PSP only sold like hotcakes due to piracy wether you like it or not.
I agree I'm guilty of been one of those people I mostly played emulated gba, snes, ps1 games. Didn't care much for psp games they didn't interest me
Guilty. Bought 3. Never played many PSP games but alot of SNES and GBA. I have redeemed myself(somewhat)and took off the Custom Firmware since and use them with my PS PLUS+ Subscription. No need to pirate when Sony gives away games for free :)
And Monster Hunter. Can't forget that.
Vita has a ton of potential, especially with cross-buy and remote play for the ps3/ps4. That being said, there still have to a focus on Vita games themselves.
Price cut on the unit and memory would help. But I understand, they cant just give the stuff away for nothing.
In my opinion, the main problem with portable consoles is that they are not enough gaming-oriented, too much multimedia-oriented. For example, 3DS has 3 cameras; Playstation Vita has 2 ones. Why? There are barely any augmented reality games while it could have been "a thing". And I honestly doubt many people use them as an actual camera. Consoles these days cost too much and have too much pointless features. Portable consoles would certainly cost less if they abandonned those useless features and focus exclusively on gaming. I honestly doubt 3DS, PS Vita or any future portable console can actually compete with smartphones, and in my opinion, they shouldn't. Affordable consoles and attractive games are in my opinion the only factors that should matter. Nintendo and Sony shouldn't try to add more non-gaming hardware or software features.
3DS isn't a portable console. It a handheld now the Vita is since Sony market it as one.
So the PS Vita is held in your hands to play it but its not a handheld. ..ok then!
I think you need to reread your statement and realize how contradictory it is.
Probably because of how expensive it is, isnt it still at $250, with 16gb memory cards being another 40 or 50? Thats $300 And at that point you don't own a single game yet.
They need games that are fun to play on the go. Games like Uncharted aren't has fun to play as playing on a HDTV imo. Vita have plenty of great games of course like Tearaway. It do need a price cut.
Price has been the only thing stopping me from a purchase. Now, I'm waiting to see how Vita TV will work. Vita games on my 60' inch with a DS 3 or DS 4 controller. Hell yeah I'm in! Edit: spelling
To me, the PSP faltered in the West when Japanese developers stopped supporting the platform outside of Japan. The number of great PSP games to have never made it out of Japan is staggering, and in my opinion, one of the reason why the PSP was considered on its deathbed in the West years before it actually died. On the other hand, the Vita has been receiving quite a lot of support from Japanese developers, and many of them have been released in the West, or will soon be. But, Western developers haven't given a lot of support, and Sony itself hasn't been treating the Vita very well. No ads, high memory card cost, no 64GB cards outside of Japan, late release for the Slim mode combined with a huge lack of color choices. Unless Sony itself commits itself to the Vita, it'll die a slow death outside of Japan.