Submitted by DarkLordMalik 667d ago | rumor

PS1/PS2 games heading to PlayStation 4

DF: "Backwards compatibility is coming to PlayStation 4, and PlayStation Now is only part of the story. A well-placed source working with Sony's streaming service reveals that only PlayStation 3 titles are currently scheduled to use the "gameplay over IP" cloud service. PS1 and PS2 titles are set to follow the more conventional route of running locally under emulation on Sony's latest console - but with the possibility of HD visual enhancements." (PS4)

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SavageKuma  +   667d ago
I will with the PlayStation Now beta on its way that is a possibility.
Kayant  +   667d ago
This is actual BC with local hardware emulation btw with added HD enhancements. Like DF puts it basically it's pcsx2 for PS4.
blitz0623  +   667d ago
This is great news. It'd be nice if they plan to bring PS3 emulation as well. Helps a lot of people like me who already own PS3 discs.
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Rainstorm81  +   667d ago
Sounds good but is it for discs or games in the ps store?

If its for discs this would be huge
Xsilver  +   667d ago
IF this is True then it will be be a megaton.
pyramidshead  +   667d ago
I'm more excited about this than PS:N. Mostly because my internet is terrible. Local emulation is something I've been waiting to hear.

Shame the cell is too fancy so that it's not included.
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Ron_Danger  +   667d ago

Don't get your hopes up. In order for proper PS3 emulation, the PS4 would need a PS3 cell chip to run PS3 discs. Why not just do the logical thing and play your PS3 games on your PS3? That's what I still do. I've been switching back and forth between Killzone on PS4 and Puppeteer on PS3.
Pricey  +   667d ago
Blitz i cant see ps3 emulation on ps4. We know it will be streamed though.

Two reasons why are the architecture is vastly different from the ps4 and the power of the ps4 whilst impressive will not be enough to mitigate said architecture differences.

However role on streaming.
M-M  +   667d ago

I would love PS3 emulation on the PS4, but that's possibly dangerous. If they found out how to emulate the cell perfectly on x86 architecture, then people will try to find out how Sony did it and attempt to extract the emulation data from the PS4 for PC emulation. That's what I think would happen at least.
dboyman  +   667d ago
@blitz0623 Nope unless they plan to carry a PS4 with the Cell. Current ps4 cup is not powerful to emulate Cell effectively. Better keep your ps3 for now...
FamilyGuy  +   667d ago
Cool, there's no reason a PS4 shouldn't be able to play PS1 games and it's definitely powerful enough for PS2 emulation. I wonder if this is why PS Now has only mentioned PS3 game streaming recently when they initially said they'd be interested in the entire PS legacy.
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BattleAxe  +   667d ago
If this is for the PS Store digital downloads I would be extremely happy, and while backwards compatibility with discs is huge, I don't personally know anyone who has actually kept a collection of old PS1 or PS2 game discs.
brightlight  +   667d ago
THAT EXPLAINS ALL NOW : http://www.freepatentsonlin...
"A method and apparatus for adding trophy support games that do not have trophies without modifying the original game. The method and apparatus are used to detect particular disk access, use the detected disk access as potential trophy triggers in games, and recognize the triggers while a game is played. Trophies are awarded based on the triggers, and the awarded trophies are stored."
UltimateMaster  +   667d ago
Hopefully, it'll let me play my PS2 discs.
Backwards compatibility means being able to use your old existing software on a new platform. If you're required to buy a new version of the software you already own, then it's just a re-release. And do keep in mind that because of licensing or technical issues, only a selection of PS1/PS2 games will be made available through this method (I'm still waiting for a PSN release of Omega Boost).

That's the way I see things, and if that is the way Sony is planning to do business, then count me out. The HD collections we have now are better than this fake BC.
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GribbleGrunger  +   666d ago
Just a word of warning here guys: This is an article by Leadbetter and I'm not inclined to immediately believe anything he says. It could be true or it could be something I've seen certain journalists usee over the years:

You take a confident user base, feed them extremely positive news (something they've always wanted) and when their expectations are through the roof, you pull the rug from under them. This is how you take positivity and turn it into negativity. Suddenly you have people who were happy with their purchase and have turned them into disappointed consumers.

So just weight that against your hopes and all will be fine.
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PLASTICA-MAN  +   666d ago
i noticed something about the emulator used by Sony on PS3 and PS Vita. I bought the first Silent Hill and the loading screen has Harry Mason running fluidly and normally on a regular PS1 but when yoh use the emulator o. The the next consoles, you get him running in a clusmy way, getting blurry with multiple hims destroying the screen, try it if you have it. i think the emulator on the latest PS consoles is based on the old bleem where I got the same problem whereas with PCX2 you don't get that problem. Bleem doesn't have many features like changing the the res and so while PCX2 has many features. That's why I think the old PS emulator is based on Bleem while the PS4 one is based on the new and better PCX2.
deathtok  +   666d ago
I see this statement that PS3 can't be emulated because of cell architecture come up a lot but its not accurate.

Emulation is writing software that mimics the instructions of another processor. The cell is complex but Sony custom built this with IBM and have intimate knowledge of what instructions can run natively versus those requiring emulation.

That being said, it's unlikely that they'll invest in delivering this because the PS3 still moves hardware and software units.
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cannon8800  +   666d ago
pcsx2 is such a good emulator when you get it working correctly. It makes games look even better than the hd remakes for ps3 and even higher resolutions too!
mechlord  +   666d ago
they should hire some of the people that made pcsx2....now that i think of it, wasnt there some patent by sony dealing with adding trophy support to games without modifying them?

It makes sense, because it would add another incentive to replay all those old glories of the past
Xsilver  +   667d ago
if true then Xenosaga,Bully,Tenchu,Syhonfil ter,Ninja,Scarface,Maxpanye2,De fJamFightforNewyork here i come
morganfell  +   667d ago
Can't wait to run SOCOM.
DragonKnight  +   667d ago
@morgan: Sony shut down SOCOM servers today for all SOCOM games. So if your excitement is the singleplayer, then cool, otherwise prepare to be disappoint.
morganfell  +   667d ago
I am very aware of that. That would be necessary in order to run SOCOM titles in MP under this new system.
BattleAxe  +   667d ago

Are you aware of H-Hour: World's Elite by David Sears?
morganfell  +   667d ago
Yes and have spoken privately with them. They are less than an hour from me and I know one of the guys there personally.
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BattleAxe  +   666d ago
Nice, I'm a Kickstarter backer, and I'm really looking forward to H-Hour. I'm confident the project will succeed, especially in light of what Takedown was able to achieve, although not being a very good game from the looks of things.
morganfell  +   666d ago
Then look at this:

BattleAxe  +   666d ago
I've known about Ground Branch for quite some time. I'm kind of unsure about this game. I've never been interested in ARMA because it just doesn't seem fun to me, and I think that Ground Branch might be a similar type of game.

I was a huge huge fan of Ghost Recon: Jungle Storm however, so I have enjoyed a methodical tactical experience in the past. I'll just have to wait and see if the early access interests me enough when it finally comes to Steam.
3-4-5  +   667d ago
Ok...I already decided I'm getting a PS4 at some point but this would make that decision even easier.

I've never been a Sony game until I got my psp last year. I've missed out and a ton of great games of the years, especially RPG's.

There are way more PS1/Ps2 games I'd want to play, than PS3 games, as I have a 360 and a decent amount of them are on that.

Looks like Vita + PS4 it is.
GT67  +   667d ago
ok, someone plz!! share with me what "Local Emulation" means and is??? take a shot if im wrong someone plz!! explain. local emulation: something can be emulated "reproduced" without physical disc.but with a disc for ps3 backward compatibility gaming???

thanks in advance.
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BitbyDeath  +   667d ago
'Local' meaning on the box. (no internet required)
'Emulation' meaning it can convert the code/language to run on the PS4
Conzul  +   666d ago
Local Emulation is when the PS4 uses its own power to translate older game code into something that can run WITHOUT older hardware. IE no Emotion chip or Cell.

Which makes it weird that people still think PS3 emulation on PS4 is impossible. Unlikely, but very far from impossible.
rainslacker  +   666d ago

It's not impossible to emulate the Cell on x86. However, it may not be possible to emulate it at a speed that would be sufficient to run games. You lose a lot of speed during emulation in most cases. The Cell's SPE architecture is a lot different than x86, although newer x86 architecture does borrow a lot from the Cell in terms of hyper-threading. The APU's in the newer consoles actually are what the Cell has become, sans the SPE's. Most of the work that the SPE's were meant to handle on the PS3, are now being offloaded to the GPU in the newer setups.

I do concur with a lot of people that it would be awesome if they get local PS3 emulation working, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I have said on countless occasions though that I don't know why they wouldn't include PS1/2 emulation though before the reveal though. It's already possible on less powerful PC systems.
Joey_Leone  +   666d ago
This is great news. PS4LIFE
djtek184  +   666d ago
I have a huge collection of ps1 & 2 Games. This would be one giant leap if the ps4 could play them all.
Tapewurm  +   666d ago
Have all of my old Socom discs and a few other classics....would be nice if this were true. 8)
TAURUS-555  +   666d ago
thank you sony youre the best ¡¡¡¡
MrSwankSinatra  +   667d ago
If i can't put my PS1, PS2 or PS3 discs into my PS4 and play my games, then it isn't backwards compatibility. i'm not gonna pay for games i already own. An no one give me your bullshit excuse about "should netflix offer you free movies if you own the physical version" because their are other alternatives. i can buy a VCR/DVD/Blu Ray unit and still have access to my back catalog of movies and access all the apps like netflix & Hulu if i chose too. plus last time i checked movies costing 50-60 bucks each game.
Derekvinyard13  +   667d ago
Amen to that
GuruMeditation  +   667d ago
But there ARE alternatives. Just like you could buy a VCR instead of a Netflix subscription, buy the legacy console instead of PSNow.

Aside from that, I agree with your sentiments.
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VitaOwner  +   667d ago
Just because you have to pay for it doesn't mean it isn't a form of backwards compatibility, even if it isn't the most ideal. Also, if you already own a game, don't re-purchase it on PS4.
fenome  +   667d ago
I kept my backwards compatible ps3 and still have like 2 ps2s, those are my 'other alternatives'. I get what you're saying, but the VCR/DVD thing was a terrible example
Kayant  +   667d ago
Am not disagreeing with you but there is one difference that doesn't make that comparison work. "Alternatives" There are no alternatives to PS games(excluding multiplats) so the only way you could play them was to have the hardware(or I guess PC to emulate).

Again like it's your choice to pick whether to stream a PS3 game with Playstation Now or to play it locally on hardware like you can choose to stream a movie on netfilx or watch it on your dvd/blu ray player.

The problem is they can't guarantee it's your copy and not a borrowed one for you to just gain access to stream it.

And we still don't really know the pricing and if it will actually be a netfilx model for playstation now. If it's not then I would say if you have a DD version of the game there you should gain access to it for free.
Jubez187  +   667d ago
Idk when people started feeling entitled to BC. How many consoles out of the 30+ that have ever been released are BC? I think PS2, Wii, and the handful of first generation PS3's that are still alive. That is IT.

"I can buy a VCR/DVD/BLU Ray" and you can buy a PS1 and PS2.....
DryBoneKoopa85  +   667d ago
@Jubez187: The Wii U is BC with your Wii library. Plus all the Nintendo handhelds are BC as well. So there are a lot more then just those few.

I'm a game collector so I own just about every console and a ton of games so BC doesn't mean much to me but I can see why some people would like the convenience of it.
Jubez187  +   667d ago

I said "consoles" because I know that most handhelds tackle BC pretty well. However, I did forget that the Wii U existed, thanks for adding that.
Prime157  +   667d ago

Initially the ds and ds lite played advanced games until the dsi when they opted to phase out that tech.

Backwards compatibility is something that "technology ignorant" people expect. Sometimes the architecture limits the ability or emulation is difficult to add (here's looking at ps3's cell processor), ESPECIALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH profitability and affordability on the business side.

Don't get me wrong, I like backwards capability, but I understand the challenges and effects that it causes.
ColeMacGrath  +   666d ago
Add Xbox 360 to that list.
dumahim  +   667d ago
" i can buy a VCR/DVD/Blu Ray unit and still have access to my back catalog of movies and access all the apps like netflix & Hulu if i chose too."

Yep, just like you can buy the older consoles to play those older games exactly like you'd have to buy a VCR player to play your old VCR tapes. Your VCR tape isn't going to work a DVD/BR player.
Qrphe  +   667d ago
This, all this is give me hope of one day using a hacked PS4 to run PS2 discs just like any hacked PS3 can now.
Prime157  +   667d ago
"because their are other alternatives. i can buy a VCR/DVD/Blu Ray unit and still have access to my back catalog of movies and access all the apps like netflix & Hulu if i chose too."

Rephrasing with my changed words between brackets so you understand your missing something:

"because their are other alternatives. i can buy a [ps1/2/3] unit and still have access to my back catalog of [games] and access all the apps like [PlayStation now] if i chose too."

So, uhm, seriously? YOU MAKE NO SENSE. It is, in essence, the SAME. Streaming is a sign of the time we live in.
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ginsunuva  +   666d ago
Who cares if it isn't "real" BC.
It's better than having nothing.

Since when did people deserve BC as default all the time? Was it some god-given right?

Go learn something about CS or EE then come back and complain.
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mt  +   666d ago
I don't know why people disagreeing with you? it looks like people want to pay for what they already have. I agree with you at least give us an option.
Majin-vegeta  +   667d ago
Man if this is true.This could be huge and I mean huge.

Wait are they referring to this??
jackanderson1985  +   667d ago
so is it downloadable content or pop the disc in and play content? because big difference there
DeadlyFire  +   667d ago
The rumor is that you can pop in an old PS1/PS2 disc and run the game on the PS4 hardware. Although nothing is confirmed yet.

Anyone remember that whole article about 2Gb of RAM AKA 256 MB DDR3 tucked away on the PS4 motherboard with 256 MB Flash memory? + an ARM chip. Considering PS1,PS2, PS3 all are using Risc based CPUs just like ARM CPUs. Perhaps BC was planned all along. Likely its harder to build solid emulation that works around for PS3 titles though.
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Prime157  +   667d ago
I thought that was the standby and background downloading chip. It would be cool if they added bc on that..

On a quick note: you might want to change your text to "2gbs" btw, not gb (gigabits vs gigabytes). I know you know as you go on to say 256mb, just saying that the typo might confuse the average person.
Iltapalanyymi  +   667d ago
This is true. I mean, why wouldn't it? Its inevitable anyway.
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MegaRay  +   667d ago
I really hope so
ramiuk1  +   667d ago
surely its only backwards compatability if it uses the original media/disc???

would rather them concentrate on future and not the past
crusf  +   667d ago
Please let me play KH2 On the Ps4!
NihonjinChick  +   667d ago
The decision would be up to Square Enix.
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fenome  +   666d ago
not if this is true 'local emulation', meaning you could pop in your old disk and play. I'm treating this rumor with a grain of salt.. no actually a whole salt-shaker until confirmed or denied though. That just sounds to good to be true..
ColeMacGrath  +   666d ago
But KH 2.5 is coming to PS3! :D
MasterCornholio  +   667d ago
I hope its true. But sadly I don't have any PSX or PS2 in physical form.
-Foxtrot  +   667d ago
Does this mean I can re download the titles I bought on my PS3, I don't want to buy them again
Rainstorm81  +   667d ago
I hope so I have quite a few ps1 rpgs downloaded......if I could redownload with upgrades that would be excellent
-Foxtrot  +   667d ago
Would be a bit of a gut punch if they made you re buy them all again. The reason I bought all my favourite classics is so they would be with my PSN account forever. See this is a problem with an all digital future.

I was hoping aswell they would focus on getting lesser known PS1 titles out like the Looney Tunes games, Bugs Bunny: Lost in Time, Bugs Bunny and Taz: Time Busters and Sheep, Dog, Wolf (Sheep Raider)
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Fez  +   667d ago
Definitely won't have to buy them again. That would be so stupid of Sony! The real question is will you be able to pop in ps1/2 discs and play. That's the way it should be done.
GordonKnight  +   667d ago
This is why I waited to buy any digital games on my PS3, which I final purchased December of 2012. E3 TLOU made do it.

Once heard of the new consoles my first though was can I bring XBLA library over to the XBONE. So, I didn't purchased anything digital for my PS3.

I must say it is nice having PS, PS2, PS3, PS4, NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, Wii U, 3DS, DS lite, 360, & Xbone, Saturn. But the convenience of digital games is awesome.

BC will become digital only down the road. They should let you trade your physical for the digital a copy, but a lot of physical classic games cost more than the digital version. If I want the convenience I'll just buy a digital copy.
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SoulSercher620  +   666d ago
The PS3 and PS4 shares the same account provided you're signed into both. If this was to happen it would definitely be free. That's like buying a PS1 classic on your PS3 and being able to play it on Vita later.
Mikelarry  +   667d ago
Yugioh forbidden memories here i COME!!!!!, add online play and ill die a happy gamer
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SpideySpeakz  +   666d ago
I have the ROM for that game on my PC. It was basically free.
Trago1337  +   667d ago
Does this mean that I can use my old PS2 discs on the PS4??
WeAreLegion  +   667d ago
As long as we get to download the PS1/PS2 games we already digitally purchased on PS3, that works fine! Bring Viewtiful Joe 1/2 while you're at it!
hkgamer  +   667d ago
I don't understand why they didn't have PS2 emulation on the PS4. PC's could do it and they run at a crazy resolution with widescreen support. A lot of the HD remakes don't even compare with PS2 emulation.
LKHGFDSA  +   667d ago
sometimes less is more. with the PS4 that just wanted to focus on next gen games (and indy games), no retro games, no media features, no tacky gimmicks.
hkgamer  +   667d ago
they could just pay for some programmers to make this happen. Maybe hire those guys that made pcsx2?

PS4 is focusing on media features, they just took half of it away to make future updates look better or maybe they just took it away so you use their video/music unlimited.

They're just holding back emulation because they want to push Playstation Now. Most people wouldn't mind just downloading PS1/PS2 games from the store.
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XiSasukeUchiha  +   667d ago
Damn greatness has arrived!
ape007  +   667d ago
isn't that already included with PlayStation Now?
Prime157  +   667d ago
Yes, eventually. However, there are some issues with streaming games, so some of us would rather run them locally.
ElementX  +   667d ago
Personally I have no interest in old games but it's good for those who enjoy them.
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Chrono  +   667d ago
It takes less bandwidth to download a PS1 game than stream it through the cloud for a couple of hours.
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Meltic  +   667d ago
screw old games i want new games for ps4 gogogo
jacksjus  +   667d ago
Cool concept, but I'm sorry you don't buy a next gen system only to crave 15 year old games. Bring more "next gen" games because that's all that I care about.
ruefrak  +   667d ago
This makes no sense from a financial point of view. Backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 physical discs isn't going to sell anymore PS4's and Sony isn't going to make any money on the sale of old PS1/PS2 games. So why are they doing this? Maybe sometimes companies do good things because it brings them good will even if it doesn't help their bottom line.
Duke19  +   667d ago
Playstation Now isn't going to be free though?
ruefrak  +   667d ago
I'm talking more about the PS4 having PS1 and PS2 emulation built in. I guess they still sell PS1 classics and they could do the same for PS2 games now.
Ryu7505  +   667d ago
That would be a great idea for PS4 owners to download classic PS1 & PS2 games on the Playstation 4. I hope Sony do it real soon.
jrburdine  +   667d ago
This by all means is fucking retarded, who buys a new system to play old games, please do not tell me you bought a PS4 to buy old ass games... I didn't,I bought my PS4 in hopes there would be more games out by now but I find myself using my Xbox One more for the TV and being able to move back and forth through gaming and apps seamlessly with Kinect... I have always thought Backwards compatibility is pointless, I do not give a shit about old games once I beat them and when a new generation of systems are launched I'm done with the last generation of consoles or handhelds... I will say it again if you buy new systems to play old games you are the reason this world is going to shit!!!!! That last statement might not have any recollect on this article but everything I stated is factual...ENOUGH SAID!!!!!
LKHGFDSA  +   667d ago
Yeah it wouldn't be ignorable either. I'm sure PS+ would be old games instead of PS4 titles if Sony had old ones to sell.
T2  +   667d ago
Haha I'm not as angry as you about it but I agree, I bought a BC ps3, probably played 10 hours or less of PS2 games, immediately stopped caring about BC. In fact if you love an old game that much I think it's much cooler to have a PS2 around and show off as a collectible
TheGreenMan  +   666d ago
@ jrburdine

So do you think Sony is just going to suddenly stop making next-gen games because they offer BC? I say the larger the game library the better - even if it means just adding the classics to the mix.
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Duke19  +   667d ago
"Backwards compatibility" seems misleading to me. I dont think the premise is that "I own the PS2 game on disk, so if I put it in my PS4 it will play".

Instead that they are just going to be offering streaming versions of the games (for sale) via Playstation Now (having owned the disk will have no impact).
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GentlemenRUs  +   667d ago
Hooray! Look's like those PS1-PS2 games I got off PSN aren't going to waste after all!
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LKHGFDSA  +   667d ago
I don't think the PS4 needs partial backwards compatibility since my PS3 can play PS1/PS2/PS3 and even PSP games.
I hope if it does emulate previous systems it will indeed do it in full HD as standard.(including PS1 games, which the PS3 didn't do in HD)
I also think they should give it a year or two before the PS4 has old games. I'd hate it to be like the 3DS's early days where the only games to play and the only ones being released were low quality emulated titles.
Revvin  +   667d ago
Looking forward to dusting off my Gran Turismo collection
wooferine  +   667d ago
That's good news! I hope this rumor is true.
Codewow  +   667d ago
If this is true, then Microsoft is really gonna need to work for any sales. I haven't bought either console yet, but PS4 is sounding like a promising console if these come to reality. For now though. I'm sticking with PC.
nevin1  +   667d ago
lol, I don't get some of you people. When PS4/Xone was announce with no BC, a lot of you people ripped the idea of playing old games on new systems.

Then you get excited for PSNow and now this. Bottom line is people are not consistence on their stance.

Anyway, I was always in favor for FULL BC but I got ripped.
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Gamer666  +   667d ago
Also, gamers cry about every game needing to be 60 fps at 1080p...

Then, they want to play old blocky and poorly detailed games from the PS1 and PS2 at 640 x 480 and less than 30 fps...
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