Watch a new video comparison between the PS4 and Xbox One versions of Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition. Be sure to click the HD button.
This is a good video that really shows how much the experience can be improved with frame rates in the high 40-50s compared to vsync on 30fps capped. It just makes the experience that much better.
It looks exactly the same.
Have you played a few games at 60fps before? If not you may not notice it. I would have said the same thing some months ago but after playing warframe on pc at 45+FPS you can easy see it. If you can't notice the difference in this gif ---> http://www.brotastik.com/gi... then your eyes are not sensitive to above 30fps yet. If you're still claiming there is no difference there you're in complete denial.
they may look the same but the framrates are smoother on PS4 as you can see when they slow it down
In slow motion difference in frame rate is obvious noticeable. However the average gamer doesn't play games in slow motion. 60 fps is important in fast moving games (fighting games, racing) as one frame can make a difference, not sure if this is case for tomb raider.
Digital Foundry will have a more in-depth analysis later this week where they will discuss Controller Response. This becomes an issue in areas where a game dips to 24FPS.
When you're playing it, you will notice it. 60FPS TR is one of the main reasons I liked the game more than the Uncharted series.
zerogotit They make look the same but they definitely don't perform the same. I am very susceptible to games that run below 30fps when I play any 1st person and especially 3rd person video game. Especially if there is input latency on the controls because of frame rate drops which I feel might end up being the case on the X1 version. I suffer from vertigo and get really nausea from games that run sub 30fps. I was starting to feel those effects just from concentrating on the X1 version while this quick demo was running. I have to play games like that in small doses until I build up a tolerance to them. Good thing I wont have to worry about this with the PS4 version.
It doesn't look exactly the same. But even if it did, it'd still FEEL very different when playing.
You won't see the framerate differences on this video, because this video runs at 30fps (like youtube). So while they may look the same to you, in-game the PS4 will be much smoother due to the higher framerate. And just so you know, they don't look the same: http://i.imgur.com/cQCWacC.... The X1 version has crushed blacks (loss of detail in the plants, rocks), lower res textures (Lara's pants, ground, grass, rocks, tail of plane, waves), the PS4 version looks way sharper/cleaner, the X1 version is over saturated with colour and has an overall 'muddier' or 'blurrier' look to it. The PS4 version looks like it's running at NATIVE 1080p, while the X1 version looks like it's been upscaled and has some horrible use of FXAA, resulting in the blurry look (a good example of that is the patch of grass on the far right above the IGN logo, it looks sharper on the PS4 version and a blurry mess on the X1 version).. Of course a few of those things can be rectified with your TV settings (gamma, brightness, contrast, colour). But it's clear the PS4 version not only runs better but also looks better, continuing the trend.
@Lukas Did they confirm native 1080P for both versions though? Because in the gif that you posted the Xbox One version looks like its running at a lower resolution to me.
@mastercornholio I don't think they did. While it's obvious the PS4 version is running native due to it's sharp, clean IQ, the X1 version has the unmistakable look of an upscaled game with a poor AA solution.
it's just so damn smoother on PS4...
@BrutallyHonest: But it is strange that people usually don't feel nausea while watching movies. Because almost all movies ever released in theaters are 24fps, even 3D and action movies (even Avatar is 24fps). Even when you are watching movie on Bluray or DVD, they are still shown as 24fps on your TV.
@Lucas: Is that gif for real? I wasn't expecting much of a notable difference, but that's pretty huge all things considered. Pretty much every texture looks better, and the water looks a fair step up on the PS4.
That gif doesn't seem right. Of the other times I've seen PS4 and Xbox One version being compared, they looked the same, but obviously had a different framerate. Check out IGN and Digital Foundry comparisons.
Pekka actual frames per second in a movie have nothing to do with gaming. You're not interacting with a movie and expecting the direction the camera is going to move. You're not controlling the panning, movement, camera angles nor movement of the characters or vehicles in a movie like you do with a controller and a video game.
@Lukas_Japonicus "You won't see the framerate differences on this video, because this video runs at 30fps (like youtube" - No the difference is there in this video I really don't think this is a 30fps player I could see the difference just like in the last of us gif. Yh am really looking forward to the DF features comparison to see if they really is a that much of a difference in IQ between the two. Edit - Seriously it's not. If you can tell the difference in the last of us gif then telling the difference in the video should be easy. There is a reason why you can easy see the frames jittering in the XB1 footage when it's slow downed while the PS4 version just looks slowed down like it should. Both yes people should download the footage or watch it it on the site with the html5 player to see it better.
Im not sure the player is 60fps. I can tell the difference between 60fps and 30fps with ease and there isn't much difference there that i can see..... Although, when they slow the game down the X1 version isn't as smooth....im not sure, it doesn't look like a 60fps player to me. Check this out- http://boallen.com/fps-comp... look at the 30fps square for 10 seconds, then look at the 60fps one. Blatantly different, i don't get the same effect from this video. I recommend people to actually download the 60fps direct feed gameplay from gamersyde - http://www.gamersyde.com/ne... then you will see the difference in framerates.
I kind of agree actually, it is way more difficult to tell a difference from a streamed video. Get a direct feed or hell play the game itself, that is where you really notice. Most games for me, watching a video on the internet does it no justice to how it is when I am playing it. To that same point, 60fps and 30fps to me is less on how it looks, and more on how it feels while I am playing it. I can Feel the difference in frame rates more then I can see it. I am willing to bet if a Last of Us PS4 version is released and its 60 fps, I would never want to play the ps3 one again, because it would feel slow and tankish to me.
Lol ok this isn't really telling me much. Is there a difference? Yeah. But you need to do a side by side comparison with frame editing to really see the difference. The first half of the vid I didn't see a difference really because it was a normal speed. Until they slowed it down to reveal the behind the curtain difference. Whenever they do a Thief, or Watchdog comparisons we'll get the same results here with 30 frames. Both look and play the same. Other than that 60 is simply where its at even if they're not a difference at first glance.
Nothing shows 30fps vs 60fps like a side scrolling game. Download and watch this Mario footage... http://www.uploadmb.com/dw.... If both sides appear to be moving as smoothly as each other to your eyes, I think we may be different species?
60fps vs 30fps has a lot to do with fluidity and latency. You feel the difference more than anything. Anyone claiming you can't "see" over 30fps is just sadly mislead by smashing their face into a keyboard hoping for google to answer the question "can the human eye see over 30fps" You can, and the best way to find out if you can is to play a game like AC IV on Xbox One or PS4 and then on PC (with frame rate unlocked of course) If you claim you can't feel/see the difference then you are in complete denial. I picked this up for PS4 last night at gamestop. I am very happy with it.
To be honest, some people can't. Myself included. I only see well out of one eye. The other, it's practically blind. Until the video is slowed down, it is practically impossible for my one eye to notice the differences. The reasoning is because of how much work my one eye has to do in noticing various details in comparison to two eyes. It doesn't have the time to notice fine details in differences in frame rate beyond 30 fps because it can't take in all the detail as it is compared to a person with two working eyes. Just want to throw that out there since so many people love to deal in absolutes.
Try this - http://boallen.com/fps-comp... Stare at each cube for 5-10 seconds with your good eye and then scroll down to the next. Does that make it easier to tell the difference, or no?
So you're saying because you have a bad eye it doesn't effect you? It still would 60fps doesn't just effect the fluidity of a game, it also effects the response time (latency) by double. Regardless, there is a noticeable difference from 30 to 60fps look at the link Lukas provided, and if you still don't see it, thats a shame.
***So you're saying because you have a bad eye it doesn't effect you? *** It doesn't. That doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. The purpose of my post is to say that for some of us, it's something we can't differentiate. Others take the standpoint that it's impossible that a person can't see the difference. The fact is, I highly doubt I'm far from alone on the people who, in a graphically intense action game that otherwise has no "lag", can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. ***Stare at each cube for 5-10 seconds with your good eye and then scroll down to the next. Does that make it easier to tell the difference, or no?*** I've seen that before. It's a simplistic demonstration that can't be used to prove the ability to differentiate framerate in a game that has so much going on screen at once and utilizes a wide variety of textures. Is there a difference between 30 fps and 60fps for me on that? Yes, very slight. But, that's because there is nothing there that forces my eye to otherwise be distracted (complex textures, lighting/explosions, complex movement, etc.). Does that simplistic example prove that I can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps in a game like Tomb Raider? No, not at all. In a game like Tomb Raider, my eye is not able to focus itself as well and is unable to detect those slight changes as it is busy keeping up with other changes happening on the screen. --- I am not saying that people can't see the difference. I'm saying that some of us can't. I also provided a personal example of why. If you think you know better than the guy who has relied his whole life on just one eye based on what I've expressed... you're wrong.
Make sure your display is 60hrz then watch it again.. I'm amazed you cant see the difference from 30 to 60 fps. Its clear as day.
***Make sure your display is 60hrz then watch it again.. I'm amazed you cant see the difference from 30 to 60 fps. Its clear as day.*** *facepalm* Do people even read what I write?
Obviously not when you're being a douche- facepalming yourself- while others simply try helping you.
***Obviously not when you're being a douche- facepalming yourself- while others simply try helping you.*** So, let me get this straight, you agree you did't read what I wrote? Hint, both of my monitors are 60Hz. My TV is 120Hz. But, that does nothing to cure my one horrible eye. If what the doctors had me do when I was a kid didn't solve it, I doubt a better monitor or TV will solve it. Or, are you saying that you know a way to fix my one eye? Because that's the _only_ way I'll be able to see games the way you and others do. It does nothing to make me better at shooters or twitch gameplay. Or is that concept too hard to understand? Here's another concept. Your eyes are the merging of two images, right? Your left eye, it's perfect. No flaws. Your right eye, though, imagine you take a screenshot every millisecond. When you view just that one image of what your right eye sees, you notice that 90% of the pixels are gone. Just filled in with gray/black blobs. Now, luckily, your brain/eyes/awesome biological make up that is your body has learned that instead of merging the things it can't see, it will only merge what it can. But, at the same time, the majority of "power" to your eyes will now go to just the one. It's redistributing it where it makes the most sense. But, now, you have a single eye doing the work of two. In that scenario, do you think that you see the same as others? Do you think that everything they can see, no matter how subtle or the speed of which a change is detected, is going to be the same for you?
Ok lets get something straight here I rushed through your rather long comment. My intention was to provide a plausible solution for you in a rush since I had to leave for work. Now that I have read (the right way :p)your comments I get what you're saying. You see I have two degrees in bio-medical sciences. The thing is that since your problem here is patho-physiological there's nothing you can do. At least nothing I know of... I m curious though, whats up with you and 3D movies/games? How do you react to them?
***I m curious though, whats up with you and 3D movies/games? How do you react to them?*** I get intense headaches but otherwise see in 2D.
As @cgoodno said. Some people can see the difference, and some people can't. Everyones eyes are different, and those who can see a difference, perceive the image as smoother, fluent, and more fluid like (fluidity). When you put 30fps and 60fps side by side for those people, 30fps seems choppy in comparison, and 60fps often seems faster, because it's running 2x the frames. However, for those who can see the difference it just doesn't seem like much is going on. However, 60fps also aids latency, thus controls so even if they can't see the difference, they can feel the difference in how the game controls.
Amen brotha, bubble up for that :D
Going by the Digital Foundry comparison I saw on youtube last night. You will see the differences clear enough. To save you the time..... Xbox One frequently dips to around 26fps in busy scenes, and maintains 30fps for most of the comparison. Whereas PS4 dips to around 45-60fps depending on how busy scenes are. PS4 seemed to maintain 60fps for most of the comparison. Go see it for yourself, and if you're still in denial you're just a fanboy.
So Xbox drops about 3-4 frames occasionally and ps4 varies by up to 30fps according to Digital Foundry. Hmmmm I wonder which would seem more stable?
There is a definite difference. Some people are more sensitive to framerate variations, however, so I can see how people would there isn't one.
I get horrible motion sickness from lower frame rates. And as resolutions increase lower frame rates are even more noticeable. 1080 for me has to be 60 fps. I'd rather 720/60 than 1080/30.
I guess you either game on PC exclusively, or played very few games last gen. :o
AnEwGuY LOL, Just had to take lots of breaks when playing to reduce the symptoms. Alcohol helps too :-)
I look at it like this, what ever console you have on and you enjoy it that's the main point. That being said, your experience shouldn't deter facts and this goes even its the other way around. I love the Hachiroku but I am not going to say it's faster than a Tesstarossa.
I've seen that avatar before.... a uh pop up add thing...... yeah that...
That means you have great taste in.....certain things XD.......
30fps for this games r more than good i wait df to see the differences anyway theres no reason to play multiplats on consoles.... if u are hardcore players..buy a pc rigs and enjoy it! keep talking about consoles just for exclusives..pls ...
PC: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawk... Console: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawk... Console-Edition for me please! But by all means, enjoy your couple extra-frames.
"anyway theres no reason to play multiplats on consoles.... " Lol, so now multiplats don't matter? After a generation of Xbox fans bragging about them...now they suddenly aren't important. Lol, whatever Kayle, you know full well that if the X1 had superior multiplats, you would be praising them and including them in your comments all of the time. "keep talking about consoles just for exclusives..pls ..." No, we will tlak about all games on both consoles. No picking and choosing.
Xbox will always have the better multiplatform experience for me simply because xbox live has a more lively and competitive community ,so if I had both which I did till Isold off some ps4s to buy an xbox one iI'd still rather game on xbox. The controller Xbox live The games
^^^ Lol, you keep telling yourself that. Your entire sentence sounds like you are talking to yourself, trying to convince yourself, rather than replying to me. " a more lively and competitive community"....he says.
the thing is shadyiswin, that the things you listed for pros to liking the xbone are the reasons ppl love the ps4 , the majority think the PS4 controller is the best, the same can be said for games especially looking at meta for scores and psn plus is far better than gold far far far better imo. "more lively and competitive community " this comment here proves you havent even played any multiplayer on psn.
PS4 version is reported to be the best version out of them all... but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. DF did a comparison and it wasn't pretty. I doubt a more in depth look isn't going to be any better for you.
I was debating which versant to get, as I really like being able to switch from TV to game as fast as the X1 does, but I really am not seeing much of if any difference. I guess my eye is not trained to it. Therefore, when I get home its Tomb Raider on X1 and Infamous PS4 ;-)
Wait you mean there's more to gaming than Framerate? You mean features convenience and gameplay are more important? Get out of town!
Yeah because the speed of switching from TV to gaming is more relevant to 'gameplay' than the framerate... I agree that framerate is not the most important thing but it certainly is more important for any game than how fast I can switch from game to TV. Also: I bet my ancient remote-based technology is even faster than XOne.
@KUV Do you own an Xbox One? I'm going to take a WILD guess and say you dont. Its not the speed at which it switches, its that with the command "Xbox, watch TV" your game is put in a state of limbo and you can watch TV/netflix/AP/etc. And then go right back to where you left off in the game when you're done. And while the voice commands aren't perfect, we're two months in. It will get much better (even though its already great). The point is features are FAR more important to systems with these price tags than 60 vs 30 FPS. We know this 100% because no one talked about it last gen, and it has most of the best games of all time. So it was the end all and be all the PC master race would have taken over, alas console gamers are still here. Talk when you have ANY idea of what you're talking about and it wont be so easy to make you look like a fanboy sheep.
What you are saying makes no sense, because the switching is a feature of the box and not of the game. Every game has this feature. It doesn't make Tomb Raider better in 30FPS plus TV-Switching than 60FPS without because the TV-switching has nothing to do with the game. If that switching was such an awesome feature then every game should be rated better on the XOne because it can switch to TV really fast? What about being able to stream every game in real time on PS4. Would that bring it back to the same rating? SO if I take a really crappy game and can switch it to TV really fast does it get a great rating? Does the new rating depend on the program you are switching to? Your argument is 'the XOne Version is better because of TV-switching' and you say I have no idea of what I am talking about and that I am the fanboy?
You decided to comment on a post you must not have read. Here's what the original commenter said: "I was debating which versant to get, as I really like being able to switch from TV to game as fast as the X1 does" He was saying that the feature set is important to him, and that 30 fps is not. The point is that you cant do that with your PS4 and since you don't own an Xbox One you cant seem to understand the benefit. All you care about is POWER POWER POWER!!!!!! What you don't seem to understand POWER doesn't make games good, it makes them pretty no doubt, but never a better game. And in regards to the reviews, the differences are so small that the reviews are identical! And how do you stream games on PS4? You're not referring to Gaikai are you? A service that no one's used in the wild? A untested service that will charge you to play games that you've already played?
"What you don't seem to understand POWER doesn't make games good, it makes them pretty no doubt, but never a better game." Uncharted 2 says hi. "And how do you stream games on PS4? You're not referring to Gaikai are you? A service that no one's used in the wild? A untested service that will charge you to play games that you've already played?" Im pretty sure hes talking about streaming the games from the ps4. You know that little thing called Live from Playstation. Its this cool little feature where you can stream your games whenever you want on your choice between TwitchTV and Ustream.
I was replying to you, not to the article. It is fine if someone prefers the XOne version for exactly this reason. What is ridiculous is the fact that you congratulate him as if he is the only one who understands what is important in gaming while everyone else just discusses which version of the game is better. You pretend like the convenience-tv-switching-featu re makes the game any better or is important for it at all. It may be important for the console in general and if that is super important for you and a reason to buy said console and all games on it is more than fine. It is personal preference and while I couldn't care less, it is a valid reason to buy the game on the XOne, it is however not a valid reason why the version of the game is any better, or why the discussion about which version is better would be wrong or out of place. It just annoys the hell out of me when people make fun of others for caring about something that they may not, while at the same time pretending that what they care about is the most important thing in the world. As far as streaming is concerned I was indeeed refering to the broadcasting-feature, and it was merely an example to show another thing that may be really cool but does not really affect the quality of the game, even though I admit that the example is bad as while you stream, the people who watch you can influence your game, while switching between TV and the game has no relevance to the game at all. ALso I strongly disagree with most things you think you know about me. I would also buy Tomb Raider on PS4 if it ran in 60fps on XOne and 30 on PS4 because I really don't care that much. I have bought many multiplat games on PS3 that were slightly better on X360. I don't care a lot about resolution and Aliasing either. I do care about artwork and gameplay more than about technical specs, but I still disagree about your 'theory': 'What you don't seem to understand POWER doesn't make games good, it makes them pretty no doubt, but never a better game.' Let's assume that Source Forge is right and the game dips down to 18 frames per second on XOne. In this moment the game begins to stutter and the input-speed slows down. With more power this does not happen and thus ensures A) a better immersion/atmosphere and B) a better control over your character. It does clearly mean that power can make a game better and in this case undoubtedly does. Still, if you prefer to swicth to TV really comfortable over a fluid gameplay, that is fine with me, but don't pretend that everyone who has a different opinion is a fanboy.
http://abload.de/img/tr8tse... There is more than only the framerate. Look at the plane for example
The plane is a great example, but also look at what appears to be a toppled over statue in the lower left hand portion of the screen ahead of Lara, and the small waterfall on the right side of the screen.
Well, here is the different lightnig for Xbone, but same muddy textures for Xbone version. http://i.imgur.com/cQCWacC....
lots of Gravy on the PS4 :o)
PS4 all the way. Wish people would use gamersyde more often when it comes to comparing games.It's better than this crappy YouTube.
The thing about side by side comparisons, is no one plays a game with another version running next to it. You just pay the game on the console you own. Which ever console you choose to play it on, you should have fun. If you have both consoles, get the ps4 version. If you want the console with the best looking games get the ps4. If you have other considerations that play into your purchase decision, then so be it, and that makes you lan towards xbox, then that's fine too. Not everyone has the same values.
"If you want the console with the best looking games get the ps4" Ryse is the best looking game.......... It's exclusive on xbox ONE.
Yeah Ryse looks amazing, but I think the ps4 will continue to pull away from xb1 in terms of graphics. I just don't think that fact will matter as much as ps4 fanboys think it will. Graphics aren't everyone primary consideration when buying consoles and games.
Shadow Fall looks at least as good while being a 1080p game..
"Ryse is the best looking game in my opinion.......... It's exclusive on xbox ONE." IMO KZsf is by far more impressive graphically than Ryse , and if you look at them via a tech point of view , KZsf stomps all over Ryse like a red headed step son. For a start 1080p vs 900p and 60fps vs under 30fps.