This weeks episode of NO Button Masher sees Diego Arlek discussing Why the console wars are ridiculous and if Tomb Raider in 60FPS really matters?
Here's how I look at it. If you want to spend less and have a better game experience then get a PS4. The only reason to get an Xbox One is for games like Halo 5, Titanfall, and Gears IMO.
I think the main thing to take out of the video is that ALL games win. Both systems are worth getting eventually.
this^^ both are great systems. but this fact dosent help a single console owner who's on the fence. that's when preference comes along..if that customer wants the best as far as hardware goes the ps4 may be your way. but if you want games like gears tf and halo then x1 is your way. i think the resolution argument is valid though, ms advertised 60fps 1080p. and while capable of doing this it hasn't delivered on that pitch. power sells, it shows with apple and they re-up on a new phone every year. so while yes the resolution is minimal so is the gap between these new consoles and if someone wants the most powerful the resolution will be a factor. if i had both like i did with the 360/ps3 id go with the better version. seems like yesterday people were saying it looks anfd plays better on the 360..now all of a sudden its "ridiculous"? minimal yes, agreed but ridiculous not really.
I barely spot a difference between 720p and 1080p, and I compared with both my 1080p monitor and TV. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people didn't either, since playstation fans turn a subtle difference in their favor into a huge one. It really comes down to games. And X1 wins by a LONG shot. In both quality and quantity. MS is bringing its best system sellers such as Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, Crackdown AND they're focusing heavily on new IPs. Such as Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, D4, new Black Tusk IP. And they said MS isn't focusing on games?
@george "I barely spot a difference between 720p and 1080p This is why you need a good gaming pc or a ps4 console ;-)
@georgeenoob do you ever check to see how many disagrees your comments get? There is a reason for that. Call it what you want, fanboys, yadda yadda yadda, but the fact remains that the difference matters to gamers. Fanboys or not.
george you were better off saying you just like they exclusive game MS coming out with or the features. all platforms have exclusive games even different platforms owned by the same company. just be happy with what you got. same goes for everybody. its a difference with resolution, fps, gfx effects, and other features. the gameplay dont changes with the hardware unless the game is focus around it, which rarely happens. we are only see games starting to do that and xbone dont have anything to worry about. higher fame rate is better tho makes smoother gameplay, picture, and animation.
I disagree. I don't think the Xbox One is worth getting ever. The PS4 is an immensely more competent gaming machine and I already got entertainment devices that function better than the Xbox One (most people do). And this does matter. It's ridiculous that so many people especially in the media is trying to convince us the discrepancy doesn't matter, but when the XB1 is $100 more it does so very much. XB1 needs to be cheaper than the PS4 to ever justify getting one.
@georgenoob; have you been using compressed video for your comparison? Get a game running on a Pc with a 1080p monitor or an HDTV and change the resolution between the two, if you still can't see the difference then you need your eyes checked. Seriously. But a 720p render can still look very good if there's good filtering and anti-aliasing.
You know what? All I have to say is that I cannot remember a single journalist or gaming site that were willing to say these things when the xbox was kicking the ps3's a$$ last gen. They promoted console wars and resolutions as if the industry depended on it. Maybe I just have a bad memory, maybe I didn't see all the websites I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong......then again maybe I'm not.
no one ever includes quantum break, why? Here's an easy way to help someone getting one. look at the games, see what console has the best lineup for the next year. if one has better sounding games, get it. the quality of the games and what games you want is far more important than console specs, resolution and a pissing contest over a paragraph.
no one ever includes quantum break, why? Bad marketing, or the game it's just not releasing this 2014.
see but you neglect one fact......what if they like the games on both systems? many gamers do. both have blockbuster titles. both have alot of great games on the horizon. no one ever mentions the order either..thay are both new ip's that need to be seen. the games mentioned are a loooong running series (with the exception of titan fall...but we kinda know what to expect from it cod+bots+mechs)
This is more of a playstation oriented webiste, the exclusives mentioned are: Infamous: second son, the order, drive club, uncharted and titanfall. The subjects differ from: ps4, resolution, xbox one faults, xbox one @kingthrash360 Yes, people like both sides of the console exclusives. I haven't neglected anything, i used the plural gameS, people will have to weigh up the options in comparison and choose.
A smart consumer would look to the past. They would see sony dominates the gaming division and is constantly trying new ips. Not to mention soy wins goty almost every year. Look at a list of games for 2013 and 80 percent of xbox 360 games were kinect shovelware, while sony pushed out new ip after new ip whether it failed or succeeded. Everyone knows sonys strongsuit is and has always been top notch.
I agree. If the next Gears it's great, it feels familiar but at the same time fresh, I think I will buy an Xbox One, I don't really care if the game runs at 720p and 30 FPS. fortunately I don't think the console will cost 500 dollars by then. If this game results as "Judgment 2" I'll go better for a PS4. And you're right, PS4 offers a better experience for less.
resolution does not account for a better experience, it never has done. It's the aspirational attitude of "my console is better" working with the advertising of two rival companies. The games are important and that's all.
"resolution does not account for a better experience, it never has done" I guess we should all go back to standard definition then. Some games are nearly there anyway, after all. Particularly one very high profile upcoming game. As Kingthrash said above, it seems like just yesterday that the smaller differences between 360 and PS3 multi plats were getting all kinds of play on this site, which was at one time very MS friendly and very anti-Sony. Now it's "ridiculous" to point out bigger differences, especially when the console with the lesser visuals also has the higher price tag? Give me a damn break. When it comes to playing individual games you want to play, by all means buy the console that has those games, but calling the current hardware comparisons ridiculous after what happened last gen is, well, ridiculous.
yall are killing me with this spec talk when i doubt yall even care about the technology that in these consoles or any other device. he made a good point about the games matter but you try and counter with that. this is why pc gamers come in and bash yall. it pc gamers that lower resolution to get a higher frame rate with max gfx, its their choice. he never said the comparison ridiculous, you just wanted to say something. we gen it you made about last gen. i was he i even was bash being a sony fan but yall not making yourselves look good. yall looking worst. what happen to humility?
I think you mean get a PC.
Console-wise,the PS4 is much more appealing than XboxOne,and it's up there with good gaming PCs,so the PS4 gives the best experience from consoles & a good/equal experience of some gaming PCs. So why spend more than 400 on a gaming PC when you have the PS4 for only $400 dollars when you can basically have the same experience as gaming PCs(unless you're looking for 4K gaming)? Think about it for a little bit then come back to me. Only reason I would ever pick an XboxOne is for games that you can't find somewhere else and that are GOOD,I don't want an XboxOne to buy a game that I can get a better experience of on the PS4 or games that are not XboxOne exclusives and are available on PC as well like Titanfall & Project Spark.
It's not that simple. Not with every game at least. Take Tomb Raider Definitive Version, for example. The PS4 version is better.. only if you like stutter. The PS4 version averages well below 60fps and fluctuates a lot more than the XB1 version, swinging all the way between 33fps and 60fps. And it averages below 60 most of the time. That is going to mean that the game stutters most of the time. I would greatly prefer a solid 60fps over a solid 30fps, but I would also prefer a solid 30fps over a stuttery variable framerate, even if it averages higher. The hierarchy goes like this: solid 60fps > solid 30fps > juddery uncapped framerate averaging in the 40s or 50s > juddery uncapped framerate with frequent drops into the low teens. The XB1 version is capped at 30fps and doesn't drop below that most of the time. On the other hand the PS4 version spends most of its time fluctuating around well below 60fps. I prefer my PC version at a solid 60fps over either of them, but if I had to buy a console version I would choose the XB1 version due to its more solid and steady frame rate.
yup, if i paid $500 for a console.. that damn thing better be up to par with the competition
Well in digital foundry and ign vids of tomb raider: DE why does Lara's Hair look more aliased and "Therfore inferior" on the PS4 version??? For best overall image quality, many things come into play, not just higher framerate, or resolution... this is why I play skyrim on max settings but keep anisotropic filtering down under 2x so my items and Khajiit characters aren't rendered see-through sometimes. I also prefer the faster framerate that I get when I keep anisotropic filtering lower depending on the game, which is most likely what the PS4 devs must have had to do with Lara's hair to get the framerate to stay up higher.. I say they both look practically identical, and I Guarantee you will have a good time with not only either of these Definitive Edition versions, but on PC, and last gen as well. Let's just play the damn games already! I don't know how much it really matters which is minutely better in the long run, I mean, look how many people buy Ipads instead of far superior/faster/more flelible to develop for/and more future-proof android tablets! We are never REALLY gonna be able to influence the masses to buy what WE think they should... they are making their minds up for themselves, just like WE ALL DO! It's getting so old to focus and hyper-fixate on this crap, that I feel like I am aging prematurely because of gaming websites, and forums, etc.. And the reality of it is, no console owner is gonna beat a decked out PC, so why shout supremacy from the rooftops if you are still not the king? Get the games you want and play em. Simple as that. let everybody else do what they want to without proving how worried you are about how many people like your specific console. I don't see PC owners bashing the idiots who buy mac books or just about ANY Apple product, so why do us gamers have to prove we are less mature than the basic college student?
Truth play on the system that the games you prefer. If you don't like either exclusives I would go PC.
"Why The Console Wars & 60FPS Tomb Raider Arguments Are Ridiculous" ...because they're only valid when it favors the other platform?
Yeah, back in 2006-2007 every games media site went crazy when Need For Speed fill in the blank and Rainbow 6:Vegas ran at 30fps on 360 while on PS3 these games were rendered unplayable due to dips down to 27fps. Now a game running at nearly twice the fps on PS4 as compared to X1 is stupid console war talk.
You guys are acting as if the PS4 version is a solid 60fps game. It isn't. It averages below 60fps most of the time. The Xb1 version averages 30fps most of the time. And the reason for that is that the XB1 version is capped at 30fps, while the PS4 version has a much more fluctuating frame rate since they didn't cap it at 30fps. The PS4 version averages higher and would do so even if the XB1 version was uncapped, but it wouldn't be nearly the difference some of you are making it out to be. EVERY game that is capped at 30fps would actually average quite a bit higher if it was uncapped. Often in the 40s and up into the 50s. So if the XB1 version was uncapped, like the PS4 version is, it would likely average somewhere around 43fps (as a general estimate). The PS4 version only averages around 53fps, which means the ACTUAL difference would be only about 10fps. We saw plenty of games that stuck mostly to 30fps on the 360 last generation while dipping down into the low 20s or even teens on the PS4. If the Tomb Raider difference is worth pointing out now, it was definitely worth pointing out those differences last generation. Especially since in the case of Tomb Raider we have one version with a largely steady framerate, while the other one averages higher but is all over the place and stutters more. On the other hand, last generation when both versions of a game were capped at 30fps and one version frequently dropped well below that there would be no doubt about which one had the better, more steady frame rate.
8 paragraphs of deflection and damage control. Leave it out starchild. I made reference to the hard headed x1 fans just the other day. All now, some of you cant just admit defeat on the power aspect. In gaming terms, 720 or 900p vs 1080p is a lot. 30fps vs 60fps is a lot especially if we used the xbox camps last gen multiplat barometer. This gens gap is wider and more significant. The quicker people like yourself move on and stop spinning the quicker 'some' will stop shoving proof down your gape holes. For this year at least just focus on exclusives.... leave the console power battle alone...its long
Yeah. We needed this last gen. This is a gen late.
soooooo waht yall saying is we should keep doing this? i think your missing the point.
"This, is WORLD, WAR, 8" best joke 2013-2014
Some people might say that 60fps is better than 30fps. I know, crazy, right? It's as though not everyone can afford both systems and might want to get the one that does the multiplats better (or at least best version of the game if they have both systems).
Because they are stupid... It's just a bunch of people who argue over every little detail and who choose to only gracefully accept the positive facts of their side.
If it doesn't matter why even make a video regarding it ?
If we don't nitpick then there is no improvement in gaming. Better frame rates/graphics mean better games and less bugs/glitches. Overall, makes for a better experiences.
I think if Spencer, Hryb and Penello didn't constantly spurt out BS and put their foot in their mouths every second day in the months leading up to launch (and even last week as well), it would still be a big deal but I think there definitely wouldn't be as much hate, bitterness, poking fun at, and out right denial. I think a lot of MS fans would be a lot more accepting and less insecure and in turn less sony fans would be taking advantage of said insecurity. I think once the next crop of games come out the huge gap in performance won't be such a big deal and most MS fans will come to accept it or will get a ps4. Righ now some of them are hanging onto the slightest hope that it's just because of the xbone's harder architecture, but if you've seen the specs you know that simply isn't true. If those MS excecs keep running there mouths I believe this will never go away and MS fans are going to be constantly mocked. I really hope eventually we can all just accept the performance gap, stop the hate and denial, enjoy our games and move on, for both console owners.
to be fair Tomb Raider Definitive is a special case because its a game whose only selling point is looking better than last gen consoles so graphical issues matter more than in other cases
It's true, it's ridiculous.... if you have the weaker console (that you paid more).
"Why The Console Wars & 60FPS Tomb Raider Arguments Are Ridiculous" Because #XB1M13?
What is strange is that review scores aren't reflecting the difference. When 360/ PS3 reviews had differences , PS3 got lower scores. That would be for a average 3 fps lower, a few muddy textures and a missing bush or maybe a 15 line res difference. The difference in almost all faceoffs was very small, yet apparently a massive thing. We are seeing large gaps favouring PS4 over XB1 but now it doesn't matter. Odd. MS seem to carry far more sway with media.
Not as ridicous as comparing grass to cla what version was the best...
At the end of the game its graphics<gameplay in my book.
Of course it is,but I bet that wasn't your "rule" last gen when most multiplates looked better on Xbox360,you liked to rub it into PS3 owners noses,didn't you? :)
I didn't care then and I don't care now. I always had a £1000 PC to do any real heavy lifting but even then theres few ultra high end games that are actually fun to play.
Funny! The parity difference wasn't ridiculous when it favoured Microsoft's product.
Tomb raider and many other multiplats have shown that PS4 is more powerful. Xbox One will eventually get to point where most games are 1080p and 60fps but at that point PS4 games will look way, way better. If MS releases underpowered console they have to suffer the consequences.
We are talking to different concepts between consoles. If you like kinect, snap and Skype and features along with the games then you buy the Xbox One. If you just like what PS has to offer then u buy Sony. Done.
It's not "done," because that's not all that factors into people's decision to buy a console. Maybe that's all that factors into YOUR decision, but there are many people who look at the things you said PLUS things like price and multiplat performance. What needs to be "done" with are overly sensitive people trying to put a gag order on the internet because certain truths don't favor their preferred console.
The reason why you won't see different scores is because MS is one of the most riches companys in the world. We are lucky they are reporting half of this stuff now,so no we probably never see review scores reflecting performance difference out of the gaming website's. I bet some editor's are having problems with power difference because of their brand loyalty. This why we have articles like the one above us.
idiotics things and biased sites apart... all system are goods...pc for every multiplats around...ps for sony exclusives..and xb1 for ms exclusives....well also nintendo for their exclusives... we can troll for years but the truth is just this.. but i must say a thing..after 7 years of ps3 users saying "i play multiplats on pc" now being so lovely attached to the multiplats on console
It matters if you want the "superior" machine, in this case superior means higher FPS and resolution. But that won't always be the deciding factor, games will make a difference, both platforms will offer stunning graphics and great to xclusives. Microsoft invested so much in integrating kinect on the x1, it better do some amazing stuff real quick to capture that audience... Otherwise, the uninformed person or even family man that's "on the fence" will probably pick up a ps4 because the specs are right there on the box, you can argue that the games *look* the same, but the ps4 specs are higher and that's what a lot of consumers look at. Just like I don't know a whole lot about PC, so I might just pick up the Cpu with the best specs not knowing that a different type Cpu might fit my needs better.
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