Gamnesia: ""So, no, I don't think they recover. I think they screwed that up royally. They're going to have to scrap it. - Michael Pachter""
I hope so. The pad gimmick isn't all that good, and most of the games I want for it are best played with a pro controller.
I disagree the gamepad is just as good as the pro controller and if you don't like gamepad buy the pro controller ....it's better to have an option than none...just saying
Why can't the game pad be optional though and it come with the pro controller?
@hellzsupernova The Pro Controller doesn't have headset support. And I can't play Pikmin 3 without the Gamepad.
They said the same thing about the ps3 for about 3 years. Thing is, nintendo are the only one dedicated to family gaming and is cheaper...that buys them some time.
If I prefer the pro controller, then there's at least one console made entirely around that concept: PlayStation 4. Games like Windwaker HD, Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Super Mario 3D world - the console's best games - all seem like they're best played with the pro controller to me. Maybe a Zelda game comes along and uses the pad controller well, but is that worth having to buy that thing?
Usually i think pach is a douche, and i hate to say it, but i agree on this one. Nintendo made significant mistakes; fro naming the product wiiU which is too close to Wii, poor marketing, lack of 3rd party support, lack of continuous quality software, lack of dynamic internet structure, gamepad gimmicks, etc etc. I am a big nintendo fan and i say it all the time, but Nintendo did have its share of miss ques with the wiiU. Agree ? Disagree? I hear people say its an awesome system, while most has moved to ps4 and x1 cause of the messaging. Do we want a hardware platform thats closer to old gen with marginal software support or new gen hardware with next gen.visuals. i think the numbers speak when you see the ps4 selling almost the same amount globally as the wiiU in 3 months. I hope the best for Nintendo and will offer support through my DS.
Pachter is such an idiot, you don't like the WiiU we got it by now ...I think this will look very different after Smash Bros, Mario Kart & Zelda haven been released.
because there games that if you dont have the gamepad wont work example the recently relased inde game unepic, it needs the gamepad and its wonderfull!
"If I prefer the pro controller, then there's at least one console made entirely around that concept: " You're asking for fragmentation. Not only will this piss off developers it will confuse consumers even more. It's like getting mad at Sony for promoting the PS4 for the social media features and then saying you don't play games online anyways. And instead Sony should create a system around offline play. Why should they? It's their selling points, why else promote your system with it to begin with?
Actually try it before you knock it.
I tried it and it's not practical sorry...
How is it not practical? It is light enough to use without discomfort and the screen gives some added functionality.
As if I haven't...
The pad isn't a gimmick really, it adds to the experience and tbh most games only use the buttons (that are literately the same as most controller) with the touch screen limited to inventory, menu, etc. It's not a gimmick it helped me enjoy darksiders II because of the inventory stuff.
Using it for menu's and such is so much better then scrolling through things and the same goes for apps such as Youtube ect. Skyrim or the next Fallout would be a perfect fit for the gamepad.
There is soo much potential with the gamepad. If people don't see that then they haven't tried it or are just plain ignorant. Or lack imagination... It adds so much to games, it's the perfect device for map and inventory management. I even prefer it to mouse and keyboard which is already better than scrolling through endless menus with the dpad. It has already been used in some very cool ways in darksiders 2, batman arkham city and of course zombiU. The main reason I love the wii u is the gamepad. Even browsing is a blast with it!
I enjoy my Wii U and the game pad is something different for a change. Pretty neat IMO. My biggest let down is that you can only use one gamepad per console. I just found that out recently and completely crushed my dreams of real 4 player split screen. Now if Nintendo did scrap the Wii U for a more powerful console that allows for multiple gamepads? I wouldn't mind paying a fee for the small upgrade.
Theres the ability for more gamepads, nintendo have just yet to make a game that supports it. I doubt they will until years later, when they van fully utilize the hardware because that's probably a very taxing task.
Nintendo should make a add-on to the Wii U. The two gamepads on one system made me think of this. If they made another system with PS4 specs that comes with a gamepad and then combine it with the Wii U. It will be call Wii U2. This way you would have two gamepads for muliplayer and enough power for 3rd party companies. I still think Nintendo wouldn't get 3rd support even if the Wii U had twice the power of the PS4. It would be even cooler if you could have them on separate TVs. This is just a dream though.
The GamePad is great, if only Nintendo kept using it like they did on Nintendo Land and ZombiU...
The gamepad is one of the best controllers out there once you get it in your hands you all will love it. This is from a sony fanboy.
It wasn't made for typical FPS games though. That would be like trying to shoot somebody with sponge bullets. It was ideal for the Gamecube- I love how that console was so cute looking, its games were often cute looking and yet they could be so hardcore which, frankly, confused the market- Viewtiful Joe, Super Monkey Ball. It was a strange time, immediately post-Dreamcast, but interesting for it. Once we got to 2004 and all the sequels, then RE4, everything became a bit more predictable in gaming but some games makers are so skilled at mixing genres now that it can be a dream to play many games now.
How much more unpleasant would a game like Wind Waker HD be WITHOUT the gamepad? Inventory management is a dream.
1. It is not a gimmick, games like X will show it off. Of course in a FIFA game we dont have real use for it, but the reason why it was included in every Wii U is, that it is not a gimmick, not like Playstation Move or the first Kinect, where only like 10% of the consoles owner actually bought one. 2. the buttons are all at the same area, unless you dont use your right hand to use the left sticks or the L buttons, it plays exactly like the pro controller, it doesnt weight much more or anything.
Smartest thing Pach has ever said.
I predicted the WII U would flop - came true I predicted the Xbox 360 would finish 3rd - came true **I predict PS4 will be the best selling console of all time - watch this space**
Skyrim is a good example. You're having an action-packed battle and... shoot. You need a different type of magic. Sigh... Stop the battle, go through a few menus, oh! Now you can use what you want! With the Gamepad, all of that can be done with a single tap and battles would be much smoother.
Pachter on his 84 yo mom playing the WiiU: "She wanted to know if we had any new consoles. We handed her the GamePad she was completely baffled - no idea what to do with it." That's the problem with the WiiU and the stigma the Wii has left behind. The WiiU isn't for the 84 year old mother it's for the younger kids and the rest of the gaming audience. Which is why Nintendo should have went with a different name for their new system. My 4 yo nephew can pick up the tablet and navigate and play just fine with the WiiU.
Here's kind of a funny story: My mom is really not advanced with technology. I had to make a guide with pictures to teach her how to copy and paste. We tried playing Wii Party U as a family, and it didn't really work because she kept asking... Mom: Wait how do I hold it? Me: You hold the sides like this. Mom: What are the buttons for? Do I press them now? *presses B* My sister: No, you press them when the screen tells you to. Mom: So I press it now? Me: No, it says to tap the screen. Mom: Tap the screen where? Me: Tap the choice you want. Mom: So I just hold it up to my face and take a picture? My sister: Yes, you make the face it tells you to make. Mom: *smiles* How do I press the button? Me: You push the button in the back. Mom: Where is that? Do I stop making the face? My sister: *Pushes the button for her* The picture showed up on the screen with four outrageous options... and she was just smiling like she was posing for a normal picture.
Theres no way Nintendo is gonna scrap it. If anything it gets gamecube sales possibly more if their lucky. After that tho they need to step up in every aspect on their next console.
I believe that it can. It has some notable plus-points, the main one being that it has Nintendo's IPs on it's side; which are some of the biggest gaming icons in the entire industry.
AKR I hit disagree by accident ..I meant I agree they can turn it around .....
I don't think it can recover, either. But Nintendo can make of it a decent console, with good games and give it support for 2-3 years more.
Just like the 3DS, right?
The 3DS it's a handled console. It barely has competition. Wii U on the other hand, has both the Xbox One and PS4 as the competition, horrible name and it's underpowered, end of the story.
Pretty much all large websites said the 3DS was doomed, some including Pachter said the Vita would dominate due to it being priced similarly (at the time) and it being much more powerful, hmm...
3DS competes with the Vita and mobile devices. Xbox One ain't a good name either. Hardware power has never worked in a console's favor in terms of commercial success.
Vita has more power, that argument is an absolute if it comes to home consoles, why not in handhelds? It is not important, because Vita fails? Should the same logic apply here? Vita is a direct competitor, with so much more power and still no success... Probably, because it never sold out.
Typical Pachter, always royally screwing up his credibility.
6 months ago he said the Wii-U would dominate lol.
Actually he didn't say that....
Considering most people think wii u is doomed, i think its safe to say hes prolly right this time. Not that it takes a genious to figure out the wii u is pointless in todays markey. Just look at its horrible sales after being out over a year.
Why the disagrees on diepdiep's comment? He's right. Pachter is crap, the only time pachter is right when its the obivous, but if he reports out of his ass he's wrong becasue he doesn't know gaming! He thought the xbox one was gonna destroy ps4 lol He only reports what the media wants to see. He doesnt report on things he knows.
gta v with the gamepad would've been awesome!...not having to pause to look at map or hold select for intentory etc. so many possibilities with the gamepad and the wii u but there is a lack of execution due to limited 3rd party support.hopefully with the lineup the wii u has this year, it might recover
It would be great for mmo skill bars as well. Btw in bringing up the underpowered issue. Look at games for 360 and PS3 that came out last year. Like GTA V or NFS, TLOU. Old extremely underpowered systems with almost no memory yet still engineered for pretty impressive graphics. Light years ahead of their debut games. Developers CAN make it happen if they put in the effort.
So they're pretty much guaranteed to turn it around.
You're not making a prediction when the majority of the public already knows this. This is why Pachter can suck my balls.
It's funny I wonder is it me or he needs to make himself look viable so he goes to his typical Nintendo is doomed nonsense.
The 3ds had a rough start, the market Nintendo caters too won't rush out and buy a console day 1 unless it's part of some fad like the wii was.
Off-TV play makes a big difference, trust me. It makes the entire living room environment much more open.
all nintendo had to do was release something slightly less powerful than ps4 and innovate on the controller but instead they rolled out a. inferior hardware b. inferior online mulitplayer c. inferior hardware means inferior third party support d. tablet like controller doesn't bring anything new to gaming, you get an extra screen, wow e. they messed it up major this time had they only released a more powerful hardware and reinvented the controller, they wouldn't be at this position today, had they focused on having better hardware, lure more third party support, they would be first choice this generation
I think having weaker hardware is not a big deal or having similar named console, look at Xbox,Xbox360,Xbox1, Playstation 1-4.The PS2 thrived during its generation, the non HD Wii dominated until about 2010. The biggest problem is software and Nintendo's fan base. Nintendo at this point in time does not have enough diverse IPs to attract gamers outside of their hardcore fan base. With that said Nintendo home console fanbase is shrinking as the gaming population ages. Unfortunately Nintendo hard core fan base tend not to buy anything not made by Nintendo, hurting third party support and their bottom line. The solution will probably be new IPs, better marketing, and new hardware. Recent sales trend has proven Nintendo's loyal fans is dwindling and can no longer satisfy Nintendo's bottom line in the home console business.
Lol^^ Ok, you just proves to be a console only gamer, no wonder you are not able to see what it is for^^ Inferior Online Multiplayer is absolute bs, why dont you specify that statement, so we at least know, what you mean. I mean, a game offering multiplayer offers multiplayer. CoD works fine online, has all the game types and so on, the infrastructure here is not a problem at all, if there is a problem, then with the amount of players online sometimes, ok, but thats not a problem of a bad online infrastructure, like you all want to make it seem. If it comes to how it works, it works just like on any other console, but funny how you guys always say "bad online" and probably dont know why it is bad, other than having huge prejudices.
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Good read, thank you for the article.
I dont think it will do better than the Xbox One or the PS4 but it can still do well enough to make Nintendo a profit.
Tablet like controller was a brilliant idea and the system launched with perfect timing but what it lacked then it is still lacking now... Picture this.... User1 controls vehicle on screen and drives/races across the terrain in a way similar to the original burnout formula User2 sits on turret mounted on back of vehicle and takes out approaching vehicles from a rear facing perspective only visible from the control pad If you launch with a similar spec'ed system to current gen with a game changing controller but fail to utilize it then that's the system killer right there.... The system is awesome and call of duty blacks ops ii has seen more hours poured into it than any other game in our household, between offscreen play and 2 seperate screen multiplayer modes this thing has some real potential. Its just too bad many AAA 3rd party developers are graphic whores as there are so many unexplored gamplay mechanics available here that cant be had anywhere else... We love gaming in our household and as such dont discriminate between brands, Ive owned almost every console from as far back as the intellivision thru to the one and PS4 but as of now im more excited about a well made and utilised wiiu game than a fancier looking tomb raider game that does nothing further to evolve gaming.
I don't think I've ever agreed with anything Pachter has said. For a gaming analyst, he seems to have very little familiarity with the medium. Why do people still pay so much attention to him?
Ninty took a gamble with the Wii and it worked. Families now had a reason to play Computer games with their kids, mums,dads,aunties,grandparents . etc It's Similar with the DS. Brain training and many other games are aimed at adults, grandparents again and it works. You don't really find older people buying a VITA etc. It's the GAMES for all ages. The control scheme for the Wii was made for adults to get involved. As for the Wii U. It's got none of that. It does not speak to the older people, it's not got that something that makes families want to play. I stated ages ago, this reasoning and got slagged for it, i also said max sales would be 30 - 40mill. Trouble is, if they ditched, or brought out another console that would fail as well and probably get worse sales. In my opinion, they should stick with it, drop price and advertise it like they do the DS.
Firstly the Wii U in my opinion is a great machine, Secondly and most importantly Nintendo have really made a pigs ear with the marketing of a great console ( there is none)! . Do I think they will recover the Wii U ? No not fully but it's the same old story every generation when you look at post software reviews of the generation 9 out of 10 critics always put Nintendo at the top!! The consoles themselves N64 / GameCube were hardly generation sales winners! Wii I agree sold millions , but that's the point Wii U was never going to match that system for sales. When we all ( including me) except the Wii U will never be the No 1 selling console but remember as far as software goes will always produce a generation winning title maybe we can enjoy the system .
You know, I was hoping he would say this. In plain terms, that he cannot take back. Why? Because it makes his statement more solid. That makes it more likely that HE'LL CHOKE ON THEM WHEN HE HAS TO SWALLOW HIS WORDS, AFTER THE WII U RECOVERS.
Nintendo needs to go back to the beginning. WiiU has 2014 to make its money, sell some games and fade away. 2015 will see a new machine, new aggressive marketing, new unified account system, purchases tied to accounts rather than hardware, world class network backbone, better Miiverse, and face-melting hardware and gamepad version 2. That being said.... the real question will be this. What games will Nintendo have to support such lofty hardware. An HD version of Mario, they have that now. Thats what the WiiU represents to Nintendo. This is their PS4 sort of speak. When they make this new machine the real challenge will be to introduce a slew, not one or two or three, but slew of new IP's showing the best kinds of games modern gamers like to play, with that Nintendo magic AND fully utilizing these new specs. Mario Mario and company can look realistic, rather than simply HD. Interesting place to go. Either way third party support shouldn't be a problem then.... But what you are witnessing is a 100 year old company that is going through growing pains. Nothing more. This is not their end, but a new beginning.
Oh please! Pachter is the shittiest analyst i've ver seen, hell predictions made by me and my friends are right more often then him. Nintendo can and most likely will recover, Sony and the PS3 had a FAR worse first year. It wasn't till Sony dropped Uncharted that it started turning heads, and that's exactly what the new Mario has done, it's gotten people's attention. Now all they need to do is drop a Zelda announcement before that attention fades and they'll be right as rain.
I think it will come down to Smash Bros TBH. That would be the last big game I can think of, If Nintendo can't turn it around, the console isn't Doomed, but Gamecube status. Zelda Wiiu, despite being popular, Nintendo Pumps these bad boys out too much for people to get excited for it, despite them being good games, I don't think it will move many consoles.
I have to agree with pachter on this one. The WiiU will struggle. Only fans of Mario and friends will purchase the thing. The casual fanbase didn't end up buying into the tablet controller. And the casuals are a huge fan base.
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